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(Salon)   Unsurprisingly, the Bible thumping crowd is pretty unhappy with the new TV show Cosmos   (salon.com) divider line 183
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2014-03-12 05:07:09 PM  
The revisionist "Cosmos" critique concerning Bruno goes like this: He wasn't even really a scientist, and he was burned to death because of his theological heresies and not his belief in Copernican theory, (SO HE DESERVED IT!)

ahhh, christians. god love 'em.
 
2014-03-12 05:08:16 PM  

FlashHarry: The revisionist "Cosmos" critique concerning Bruno goes like this: He wasn't even really a scientist, and he was burned to death because of his theological heresies and not his belief in Copernican theory, (SO HE DESERVED IT!)

ahhh, christians. god love 'em.


Don't throw me in this mix with these nut bars.  some of us actually believe in science.
 
2014-03-12 05:11:39 PM  

ManateeGag: Don't throw me in this mix with these nut bars.  some of us actually believe in science.


i was more speaking about the (he deserved it!) comment. but it's true - there are many christian sects who believe in science (catholics for one).

apologies for lumping you all in together.
 
2014-03-12 05:13:34 PM  

FlashHarry: The revisionist "Cosmos" critique concerning Bruno goes like this: He wasn't even really a scientist, and he was burned to death because of his theological heresies and not his belief in Copernican theory, (SO HE DESERVED IT!)

ahhh, christians. god love 'em.


Wasn't the heresy...Copernican theory?
 
2014-03-12 05:17:45 PM  

FlashHarry: ManateeGag: Don't throw me in this mix with these nut bars.  some of us actually believe in science.

i was more speaking about the (he deserved it!) comment. but it's true - there are many christian sects who believe in science (catholics for one).

apologies for lumping you all in together.


Most Christian sects do. It's the creationists that seem to get all pissy about actual science. And seeing them get all pissy is hilarious.
 
2014-03-12 05:23:35 PM  

scottydoesntknow: It's the creationists that seem to get all pissy about actual science. And seeing them get all pissy is hilarious.


Except when they're the ones choosing textbooks, making laws and are on the Science and Technology Committee.

Not funny at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Broun
 
2014-03-12 05:42:07 PM  
Yeah, I thought the production was a little overbearing, too... Oh wait, they mean the content?
 
2014-03-12 06:22:04 PM  

ManateeGag: FlashHarry: The revisionist "Cosmos" critique concerning Bruno goes like this: He wasn't even really a scientist, and he was burned to death because of his theological heresies and not his belief in Copernican theory, (SO HE DESERVED IT!)

ahhh, christians. god love 'em.

Don't throw me in this mix with these nut bars.  some of us actually believe in science.


This.
 
2014-03-12 06:26:38 PM  

enry: ManateeGag: FlashHarry: The revisionist "Cosmos" critique concerning Bruno goes like this: He wasn't even really a scientist, and he was burned to death because of his theological heresies and not his belief in Copernican theory, (SO HE DESERVED IT!)

ahhh, christians. god love 'em.

Don't throw me in this mix with these nut bars.  some of us actually believe in science.

This.


Y'all sane motherfarkers need to talk louder. Although I am sure there are more of you, the crazies are winning the war of words.
 
2014-03-12 06:33:27 PM  
I was watching the segment on Giordano Bruno carefully, and as I expected, they actually were pretty PC so as not to offend the psycho brigade.

When they showed his execution, they showed the fact that he was offered the crucifix before the pyre was ignited, but they deliberately omitted the fact that he actually pushed it away in defiance.

Despite the fact that he really was kind of a crazy person and got a lot of stuff about cosmology very, very wrong, that act of enormous brass ballsiness made Bruno one of my early heroes.
 
2014-03-12 06:37:11 PM  
Christians, in denial about something, nothing new here.
 
2014-03-12 06:54:23 PM  
FTA: "Dear #cosmos, the origin of the universe actually is not mysterious. God had Moses write about it in the #Bible. You should read it sometime."

Seriously, please bring the stupid up to a level where I can begin to understand it...
 
2014-03-12 07:11:50 PM  
Meh.  To some people, everything is political and/or about their religion.

It was interesting to see the Bruno bit introduce the concept of thought experiments though.
 
2014-03-12 07:30:43 PM  
I doubt some of them are ever actually happy.  So, enjoy your bowl of dicks and I'll enjoy the show.
 
2014-03-12 07:52:40 PM  
So, religious people are outraged because someone is spreading non-religious thoughts and ideas.  Wow.  I'm shocked.
 
2014-03-12 08:29:04 PM  
Well personally I think the miniseries The Bible is great. I love to watch fantasy fiction set in historical times.
 
2014-03-12 08:44:05 PM  

bdub77: Well personally I think the miniseries The Bible is great. I love to watch fantasy fiction set in historical times.


ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED???!!???
 
2014-03-12 08:45:47 PM  
These people wear their ignorance like a comfort blanket, they can't stand the idea of it being yanked away by reality.
 
2014-03-12 08:46:06 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: So, religious people are outraged because someone is spreading non-religious thoughts and ideas.  Wow.  I'm shocked.


they really aren't. that article is so farking deep in the bs and echo chamber its rediculous.

i mean they found a few farking idiots on twitter. thats tough to do.
 
2014-03-12 08:46:07 PM  

ManateeGag: Don't throw me in this mix with these nut bars. some of us actually believe in science.


I know that this is true, but when someone who thinks that evolution and the Big Bang are Lies straight from the pit of hell can get elected to national office, it means that people who don't believe in science, or at least think that disdaining science isn't a disqualifying characteristic, are not strictly in the minority. That is a sad, sad thing.
 
2014-03-12 08:46:22 PM  
Don't even the Catholics believe in evolution? Meaning that the Earth is older than 6 grand. Then there's the speed of  light coming from stars, carbon dating, fossils, just give it up.

 I don't think there's even anything in the Bible that says the Earth is 6,000 years old.
 
2014-03-12 08:51:02 PM  

Mugato: Don't even the Catholics believe in evolution? Meaning that the Earth is older than 6 grand. Then there's the speed of  light coming from stars, carbon dating, fossils, just give it up.

 I don't think there's even anything in the Bible that says the Earth is 6,000 years old.


yes to all of that. some dude a long time ago made a time line of events in the bible. this is notably about impossible to do, but he did his best. he came up with 6k years. nearly every religion thinks that is tarded. a few extremest don't. so in lib speak 'omg lol all people who believe in god are so much farking stupider than me! they think the earth is 6k years old! haha I am so smart'
 
2014-03-12 08:56:41 PM  

Mugato: Don't even the Catholics believe in evolution? Meaning that the Earth is older than 6 grand. Then there's the speed of  light coming from stars, carbon dating, fossils, just give it up.

 I don't think there's even anything in the Bible that says the Earth is 6,000 years old.


A friend of mine was going to vote for McCain & Palin until I told him Palin thinks the earth is 6,000 years old. Apparently that broke the spell.
 
2014-03-12 09:14:10 PM  
"Your god is too small" is such a great line
 
2014-03-12 09:16:25 PM  
Yeah, this doesn't shock me.
 
2014-03-12 09:19:48 PM  

gilgigamesh: enry: ManateeGag: FlashHarry: The revisionist "Cosmos" critique concerning Bruno goes like this: He wasn't even really a scientist, and he was burned to death because of his theological heresies and not his belief in Copernican theory, (SO HE DESERVED IT!)

ahhh, christians. god love 'em.

Don't throw me in this mix with these nut bars.  some of us actually believe in science.

This.

Y'all sane motherfarkers need to talk louder. Although I am sure there are more of you, the crazies are winning the war of words.


Only in the US.  Even the Roman Catholic church, once responsible for burning this Bruno guy at the stake, accepts evolution and has made great strides in the physical sciences.  It hasn't been "God did it" for a while.
 
2014-03-12 09:25:44 PM  
Lsherm:

Only in the US.  Even the Roman Catholic church, once responsible for burning this Bruno guy at the stake, accepts evolution and has made great strides in the physical sciences.  It hasn't been "God did it" for a while.

And yet this zealot, who peacefully but vociferously espoused his belief system about the universe and God, was captured and tortured to death on a cross.

I'm guessing the irony was lost upon the Christians who did it. And probably most who watched the show and now complain about its content.
 
2014-03-12 09:27:51 PM  
 
2014-03-12 09:31:14 PM  
How does one "believe" in science?
 
2014-03-12 09:34:52 PM  
Of course. Just like the original, it's unapologetic.  It doesn't try to thread the needle or find some kind of reconciliation between irreconcilable philosophies.  It plainly says, "This is empirical reality whether you believe in it or not."  My only beef (if you can call it that) was that it spent a little too much time on Sagan.  But since I'm a Sagan fanboy, that's no big deal as long as they allow Tyson to develop his own voice as the series progresses.
 
2014-03-12 09:35:29 PM  

fusillade762: In related news:

Oklahoma Fox station removes evolution from 'Cosmos' by cutting only 15 seconds


I can confirm that.  Saw it on the DVR copy yesterday.  They didn't get all of it, but it was pretty gratuitous.
 
2014-03-12 09:40:17 PM  

FlashHarry: The revisionist "Cosmos" critique concerning Bruno goes like this: He wasn't even really a scientist, and he was burned to death because of his theological heresies and not his belief in Copernican theory, (SO HE DESERVED IT!)

ahhh, christians. god love 'em.


The problem is that there is no historical context. Throughout its history, the Roman Catholic Church had veered from highly scientific to highly religious. In fact, the Church supported higher education and taught against superstition at the beginning of the Middle Ages, to burning any one with a different thought than catholic at the end (due to Protestant reformation)

I was more offended that he acknowledge the births of three fictional characters ( Buddha, Moses, Jesus) as real.
 
2014-03-12 09:47:08 PM  

HawgWild: How does one "believe" in science?


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2014-03-12 09:47:52 PM  

fusillade762: HawgWild: How does one "believe" in science?

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Exactly. So why do people declare they either believe or don't believe in science?
 
2014-03-12 09:50:29 PM  

HawgWild: How does one "believe" in science?


While the wonderful thing about science is that you don't have to believe, you just have to think and understand how to interpret evidence, in reality, no individual will take the time and effort to understand the evidence for 99% of the things that we are told about the reality of the universe. At some point, we have to decide if we are going to trust that what other people tell us science says is true. If you choose not to trust people who are experts, it's reasonable to say that you do not believe in science. Conversely, if you trust that scientists aren't lying to you, you can be said to believe in science.
 
2014-03-12 09:59:40 PM  

nmrsnr: HawgWild: How does one "believe" in science?

While the wonderful thing about science is that you don't have to believe, you just have to think and understand how to interpret evidence, in reality, no individual will take the time and effort to understand the evidence for 99% of the things that we are told about the reality of the universe. At some point, we have to decide if we are going to trust that what other people tell us science says is true. If you choose not to trust people who are experts, it's reasonable to say that you do not believe in science. Conversely, if you trust that scientists aren't lying to you, you can be said to believe in science.


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2014-03-12 10:02:24 PM  

nmrsnr: HawgWild: How does one "believe" in science?

While the wonderful thing about science is that you don't have to believe, you just have to think and understand how to interpret evidence, in reality, no individual will take the time and effort to understand the evidence for 99% of the things that we are told about the reality of the universe. At some point, we have to decide if we are going to trust that what other people tell us science says is true. If you choose not to trust people who are experts, it's reasonable to say that you do not believe in science. Conversely, if you trust that scientists aren't lying to you, you can be said to believe in science.


opencmdline.com
 
2014-03-12 10:20:34 PM  

Mentat: fusillade762: In related news:

Oklahoma Fox station removes evolution from 'Cosmos' by cutting only 15 seconds

I can confirm that.  Saw it on the DVR copy yesterday.  They didn't get all of it, but it was pretty gratuitous.


How would they plan that? Does the individual station's faculty prescreen all the shows and censor them by inserting intrusive news blips in the middle of prime time? Are they allowed to do that? I have no idea how a television station operates but that seems awfully unlikely. If that was anything more than a coincidence of timing then you should watch the show on Nat Geo because it's only going to get worse as the show goes on.
 
2014-03-12 10:21:35 PM  
Look. Look at me. This is my "SHOCKED" face. Shocked, I tell you.

Actually, I'm surprised this show made it to the air at all, considering the religious/political and educational climate in the United States.
 
2014-03-12 11:28:09 PM  

hardinparamedic: Look. Look at me. This is my "SHOCKED" face. Shocked, I tell you.

Actually, I'm surprised this show made it to the air at all, considering the religious/political and educational climate in the United States.


You're giving the religious right waaaayyy too much credit.
They have pull on FoxNews and in the GOP, that's it.

/I love all the derp they spew.  Go ahead, Fundies.  marginalize yourselves further.
 
2014-03-12 11:39:58 PM  

ManateeGag: FlashHarry: The revisionist "Cosmos" critique concerning Bruno goes like this: He wasn't even really a scientist, and he was burned to death because of his theological heresies and not his belief in Copernican theory, (SO HE DESERVED IT!)

ahhh, christians. god love 'em.

Don't throw me in this mix with these nut bars.  some of us actually believe in science.


God made science.  He also made women so we know he's a prankster
 
2014-03-12 11:49:41 PM  

Mentat: fusillade762: In related news:

Oklahoma Fox station removes evolution from 'Cosmos' by cutting only 15 seconds

I can confirm that.  Saw it on the DVR copy yesterday.  They didn't get all of it, but it was pretty gratuitous.


Isn't the next episode ALL about evolution? Are they going to just not air it?
 
2014-03-12 11:51:57 PM  
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Yeah, so did anyone actually think the show would inspire the Creationists?  Sad, but they have already proven themselves mostly impervious to science.  So here we are with another thread to smash these folks.  Ridicule won't get them to reconsider their worldview, but maybe some patience and softer words can.  It's not as fun, but more likely to succeed than coming in full force and invoking a defensive reflex.
 
2014-03-12 11:51:58 PM  
With all the respect that is truly due to these bible thumpers, they can go f*ck themselves hard with an unlubricated 14' cactus.
 
2014-03-12 11:55:37 PM  
I remember seeing the commercial for this the first time and wondering how long it would be until the Fundie Brigade grabbed their torches and pitchforks...I forget exactly when that was but now it's happened.  I suppose it never occurred to any of these people to change the channel or turn off the TV...
 
2014-03-13 12:00:31 AM  

Surool: With all the respect that is truly due to these bible thumpers, they can go f*ck themselves hard with an unlubricated 14' cactus.


Would lube really make a difference?  Also, are they due respect?
 
2014-03-13 12:02:20 AM  

gilgigamesh: enry: ManateeGag: FlashHarry: The revisionist "Cosmos" critique concerning Bruno goes like this: He wasn't even really a scientist, and he was burned to death because of his theological heresies and not his belief in Copernican theory, (SO HE DESERVED IT!)

ahhh, christians. god love 'em.

Don't throw me in this mix with these nut bars.  some of us actually believe in science.

This.

Y'all sane motherfarkers need to talk louder. Although I am sure there are more of you, the crazies are winning the war of words.


It's not that they're winning. It's that "sane Christians" don't sell papers and draw site clicks.
 
2014-03-13 12:02:54 AM  

Mugato: Don't even the Catholics believe in evolution? Meaning that the Earth is older than 6 grand. Then there's the speed of  light coming from stars, carbon dating, fossils, just give it up.

 I don't think there's even anything in the Bible that says the Earth is 6,000 years old.


J. L. Heilbron of the University of California, Berkeley:

"The Roman Catholic Church gave more financial aid and social support to the study of astronomy over six centuries, from the recovery of ancient learning during the late Middle Ages into the Enlightenment, than any other, and probably, all other institutions."
 
2014-03-13 12:03:43 AM  
Getting kind of impatient. This show doesn't hit Nat Geo Canada until the 14th. :(
 
2014-03-13 12:03:48 AM  
Wait wait wait. I thought Fark hated The Big Bang Theory. Do we like it again now?

/Bazinga.
 
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