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(Daily Mail)   Historians find huge collection of WW I memorabilia in attic of real-life 'Miss Havisham' who died two years ago   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 62
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2014-03-12 06:05:17 PM  
When the hipsters get a hold of this loot we're all farked.
 
2014-03-12 06:25:29 PM  

hervatski: When the hipsters get a hold of this loot we're all farked.


I think it will be confined to England. It's widely known that hipsters aren't strong swimmers.
 
2014-03-12 06:53:33 PM  
I thought it was Faversham? And Ray went back and had tea with her and everything.
 
2014-03-12 06:54:06 PM  
This is good news... For the producers of Downton Abbey. They use mostly period clothes and the stuff is getting fragile.
 
2014-03-12 06:55:05 PM  
And by Ray I mean Peter, damn it all!
 
2014-03-12 06:56:25 PM  

wildcardjack: This is good news... For the producers of Downton Abbey. They use mostly period clothes and the stuff is getting fragile.


Funny, I just heard that factoid while listening to the radio during my fourth shovel of the day. Goddammitsomuch.
 
2014-03-12 06:59:09 PM  
Close enough:

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-12 06:59:18 PM  
My 101 year old granddad told her to get off his lawn, he has a farmers market to get to.

/they really just renewed his license
//he still works some
 
2014-03-12 07:01:00 PM  
For some reason the only reason 'Miss Havisham' stands out to me is from the movie Lifeforce, which had Patrick Stewart in it (but for some reason I don't remember him being in it), and of course, which I can't link to here, but if you saw the movie, you know who I mean.

\And (spoiler alert) Lifeforce wasn't kind to Miss Havisham
 
2014-03-12 07:04:21 PM  
I'm not interested enough to google it, but I find it rather unprofessional to keep referring to "miss haversham" as if everybody in the world knew who the hell she is?
 
2014-03-12 07:06:31 PM  

SenorBenedict: I thought it was Faversham? And Ray went back and had tea with her and everything.


No no, it's Flaversham, and she got married to Basil of Baker st.
 
2014-03-12 07:09:48 PM  

FarkinSneakyBastage: Close enough:

[img.fark.net image 299x168]


Weee!!!!!

That's a peach!

/beat me to it you sneaky bastard
 
2014-03-12 07:10:59 PM  
No, no, no. A REAL Mrs. Havisham wouldn't have had a husband.
 
2014-03-12 07:12:14 PM  
s12.postimg.org
 
2014-03-12 07:14:18 PM  
Giving hoarders just one more excuse.
 
2014-03-12 07:17:07 PM  
What a Pip!
 
2014-03-12 07:17:53 PM  

Dedmon: I'm not interested enough to google it, but I find it rather unprofessional to keep referring to "miss haversham" as if everybody in the world knew who the hell she is?


Whatcha readin fer?
 
2014-03-12 07:24:27 PM  
graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2014-03-12 07:27:02 PM  

vudukungfu: Dedmon: I'm not interested enough to google it, but I find it rather unprofessional to keep referring to "miss haversham" as if everybody in the world knew who the hell she is?

Whatcha readin fer?


the world needs waffle waitresses too
 
2014-03-12 07:27:34 PM  

Dedmon: I'm not interested enough to google it, but I find it rather unprofessional to keep referring to "miss haversham" as if everybody in the world knew who the hell she is?

"...everybody in the world..."

 has no Great Expectations of you!
 
2014-03-12 07:30:16 PM  
Does she qualify to be a real-life anything if she's dead?
 
2014-03-12 07:32:06 PM  
Read Great Expectations in college, actually enjoyed it.....

/looks like we got us a reader
 
2014-03-12 07:33:54 PM  

New Age Redneck: Read Great Expectations in college, actually enjoyed it.....

/looks like we got us a reader


For us, it was required reading in 8th grade.
 
2014-03-12 07:35:16 PM  
I've read that friggin' book 3 times and watched all the movies. Still doesn't make a damn bit of sense.

Nice find of 'stuff' though.
 
2014-03-12 07:36:02 PM  
Just want everyone to know she collected dresses, and they found a bunch of WW1 memorabilia and anyone who wants to know what their parents and grandparents went through should have a look.
 
2014-03-12 07:40:17 PM  
Who owns this stuff?

Who was her heir?

Or did they just start taking stuff?
 
2014-03-12 07:42:16 PM  

New Age Redneck: Read Great Expectations in college, actually enjoyed it.....

/looks like we got us a reader


I'll put him down for the "Large" coffee...

Interesting article.  Imagine it was a family collection, or one started by her parents or aunts & uncles.  Very unusual to be so extensive, though...Typically it would be a few scrapbooks and maybe uniforms from the family.  Hope the War Museum can make the most of it?
 
2014-03-12 07:43:59 PM  
I wonder how many women decided not to get married after a war killed their fiance or husband. It seems like there were a lot of them in the UK.
 
2014-03-12 07:46:25 PM  
When the tigers broke free.........
 
2014-03-12 07:49:38 PM  

txchad: No, no, no. A REAL Mrs. Havisham wouldn't have had a husband.


From the article, it said Vervia lived alone after her fiance and father both passed away
 
2014-03-12 07:49:57 PM  

Dedmon: I'm not interested enough to google it, but I find it rather unprofessional to keep referring to "miss haversham" as if everybody in the world knew who the hell she is?


THIS

/I don't know who she is either
//Don't really care... I just find the antiques interesting..
 
2014-03-12 07:55:30 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: I wonder how many women decided not to get married after a war killed their fiance or husband. It seems like there were a lot of them in the UK.


It was a bad one, all right.  Some towns lost a major part of the men of one or more generations.
 
2014-03-12 08:00:51 PM  

SenorBenedict: I thought it was Faversham? And Ray went back and had tea with her and everything.


I thought of the same exact thing...somehow that episode had more impact on my life than Great Expectations ever did

One of the darkest episodes of Ghostbusters - it even had a hexagram
 
2014-03-12 08:05:12 PM  
₤ 100 000? Some of that stuff is prceless
 
2014-03-12 08:08:21 PM  

Nothing_Happens: [s12.postimg.org image 600x450]


proof positive that a South Park reference can be made in EVERY Fark thread
 
2014-03-12 08:09:55 PM  

Billy Liar: txchad: No, no, no. A REAL Mrs. Havisham wouldn't have had a husband.

From the article, it said Vervia lived alone after her fiance and father both passed away


Ug, do I really have to recall high school? Miss Havisham's husband left her at the alter.
 
2014-03-12 08:10:36 PM  

cretinbob: Nothing_Happens: [s12.postimg.org image 600x450]

proof positive that a South Park reference can be made in EVERY Fark thread


But how did they get past her Robot Monkies?
 
2014-03-12 08:17:42 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: I wonder how many women decided not to get married after a war killed their fiance or husband. It seems like there were a lot of them in the UK.


And probably too old to be a war bride in the next one
 
2014-03-12 08:20:50 PM  

The water was cold: New Age Redneck: Read Great Expectations in college, actually enjoyed it.....

/looks like we got us a reader

For us, it was required reading in 8th grade.


Same here, but that was almost 25 years ago, and I didn't like it enough to read again, so I have to admit I had to google it.

/avid reader
//just not Dickens
 
2014-03-12 08:24:25 PM  

txchad: Billy Liar: txchad: No, no, no. A REAL Mrs. Havisham wouldn't have had a husband.

From the article, it said Vervia lived alone after her fiance and father both passed away

Ug, do I really have to recall high school? Miss Havisham's husband left her at the altar.


I know that.  I was inferring that txchad thought she was married.
 
2014-03-12 08:35:30 PM  
I read the book in 9th grade and actually enjoyed it.

When they did the movie remake of it, I was reluctant to go see it as it had Gwenyth Paltrow in it.  then I heard they didn't have the rotting wedding cake in it and that tore it for me.  Not worthy of my going to see it.
 
2014-03-12 08:46:39 PM  

hervatski: When the hipsters get a hold of this loot we're all farked.


It's not so much the hipsters, it's the Nerds. They will get all that 1915 era clothing and steampunk the hell out of it.
 
2014-03-12 09:13:33 PM  

Billy Liar: TheShavingofOccam123: I wonder how many women decided not to get married after a war killed their fiance or husband. It seems like there were a lot of them in the UK.

It was a bad one, all right.  Some towns lost a major part of the men of one or more generations.


I was in a small village in Scotland during a hiking holiday and noticed a plinth in the town square. I walked over to read it and it was a memorial to the men killed in the Great War. There were 21 names on the stone. I had a chilling thought of what it must have been like to lose that many able-bodied men in a rural, agricultural area.

Then I walked over to the pub and had a large whisky.
 
2014-03-12 09:16:01 PM  
The water was cold

For us, it was required reading in 8th grade.

  Read "Tale of Two Cities" in public school.....you win, you're way smrter than me.
 
2014-03-12 09:26:03 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: Does she qualify to be a real-life anything if she's dead?


OK, she WAS a real-life Miss Havisham, you purist.
 
2014-03-12 09:38:56 PM  

wildcardjack: This is good news... For the producers of Downton Abbey. They use mostly period clothes and the stuff is getting fragile.


Given that all the lead actors on the show are over six foot, I don't buy that for a farking second.
 
2014-03-12 09:48:08 PM  
Looking at the quantity/quality of stuff, clothing, ww1 items, the home itself, I think the stuff should have sold for a heck of a lot more than  ₤100,000.  The provenance, the situation, the market right now for this stuff...it's a shame they dealt with some local vintage clothing shop owner.
 
2014-03-12 09:52:31 PM  

ashinmytomatoes: [graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x350]


perioddrama.com

There can be only one.

/Gillian was OK as Lady Dedlock.
 
2014-03-12 09:57:04 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: wildcardjack: This is good news... For the producers of Downton Abbey. They use mostly period clothes and the stuff is getting fragile.

Given that all the lead actors on the show are over six foot, I don't buy that for a farking second.


You might be right. It originates from a Telegraph article about how the costumes stink because they don't want to damage the vintage look, but I got it from Wait Wait Don 't Tell Me. And there's a hundred articles derived from the original. So, are the materials vintage or are they just worried about damaging new material costumes?
 
2014-03-12 10:13:43 PM  
Miss who?
 
2014-03-12 10:40:40 PM  

OldManDownDRoad: Billy Liar: TheShavingofOccam123: I wonder how many women decided not to get married after a war killed their fiance or husband. It seems like there were a lot of them in the UK.

It was a bad one, all right.  Some towns lost a major part of the men of one or more generations.

I was in a small village in Scotland during a hiking holiday and noticed a plinth in the town square. I walked over to read it and it was a memorial to the men killed in the Great War. There were 21 names on the stone. I had a chilling thought of what it must have been like to lose that many able-bodied men in a rural, agricultural area.

Then I walked over to the pub and had a large whisky.


The Pals Battalions were a bloody stupid idea too.

/I looked up the Book of Remembrance at Edinburgh Castle and found that my great grandfather had died on the same day my grandfather (his son) was born.
 
2014-03-12 11:33:45 PM  

Billy Liar: It was a bad one, all right. Some towns lost a major part of the men of one or more generations.


20,000 British infantrymen died on the first day of the Somme offensive.

I can't even begin to grasp what that was like.
 
2014-03-13 12:22:33 AM  
She was nothing like Miss Havisham. From the article: "I think Vervia would be chuffed to bits and thoroughly enjoying it.The house was always full of people and she was very generous."

Miss Havisham was a recluse.

/nitpicky
 
2014-03-13 12:29:42 AM  

Spiralmonkey: OldManDownDRoad: Billy Liar: TheShavingofOccam123: I wonder how many women decided not to get married after a war killed their fiance or husband. It seems like there were a lot of them in the UK.

It was a bad one, all right.  Some towns lost a major part of the men of one or more generations.

I was in a small village in Scotland during a hiking holiday and noticed a plinth in the town square. I walked over to read it and it was a memorial to the men killed in the Great War. There were 21 names on the stone. I had a chilling thought of what it must have been like to lose that many able-bodied men in a rural, agricultural area.

Then I walked over to the pub and had a large whisky.

The Pals Battalions were a bloody stupid idea too.

/I looked up the Book of Remembrance at Edinburgh Castle and found that my great grandfather had died on the same day my grandfather (his son) was born.


The US had their Sullivan brothers. It is amazing how many WWII US divisions were made up of federalized National Guard units, which meant many of the personnel were from the same state.
 
2014-03-13 01:09:55 AM  
very nice world war stuff, nice to see so much saved whenwe are closing in on the 100th anniversary of the war to end all war, sadly it proved anything but.
 
2014-03-13 01:24:56 AM  
Since no one else seems to be answering this question: In the novel Great Expectations, the main character, Pip, crosses paths with many, many quirky characters of the sort that populate all the novels of Charles Dickens. Pip ends up in the house of one Miss Havisham, who was stood up at the altar years before the novel takes place. When we meet her, she has become a recluse who still wears her ragged wedding gown and keeps the rotting wedding cake in the main hall of the house in anticipation of the day her suitor will return.

/former English teacher
 
2014-03-13 01:40:58 AM  

highwayrun: Since no one else seems to be answering this question: In the novel Great Expectations, the main character, Pip, crosses paths with many, many quirky characters of the sort that populate all the novels of Charles Dickens. Pip ends up in the house of one Miss Havisham, who was stood up at the altar years before the novel takes place. When we meet her, she has become a recluse who still wears her ragged wedding gown and keeps the rotting wedding cake in the main hall of the house in anticipation of the day her suitor will return.

/former English teacher


Honestly, what did you think of the book? I remember reading it in 8th or 9th grade, and I didn't care for it. I think it would've been a lot cooler if we read Hunt For Red October, but I'm just asking. Maybe if I read Dickens now, I would have a new perspective, but it didn't make learning fun at the time.
 
2014-03-13 05:16:09 AM  

Zappagirl: She was nothing like Miss Havisham. From the article: "I think Vervia would be chuffed to bits and thoroughly enjoying it.The house was always full of people and she was very generous."

Miss Havisham was a recluse.

/nitpicky


Yeah, I can think of no bigger insult to her than calling her a 'real life Miss Havisham'. That's just horrid! The only similarity between the two is that they're both female.
 
2014-03-13 07:15:11 AM  

Slaxl


Zappagirl: She was nothing like Miss Havisham. From the article: "I think Vervia would be chuffed to bits and thoroughly enjoying it.The house was always full of people and she was very generous."

Miss Havisham was a recluse.

/nitpicky

Yeah, I can think of no bigger insult to her than calling her a 'real life Miss Havisham'. That's just horrid! The only similarity between the two is that they're both female.


And held on to stuff from a specific time period for quite a long time, possibly a bit longer than necessary, which is probably the basis for the comparison in the first place.
 
2014-03-13 08:30:27 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Slaxl

Zappagirl: She was nothing like Miss Havisham. From the article: "I think Vervia would be chuffed to bits and thoroughly enjoying it.The house was always full of people and she was very generous."

Miss Havisham was a recluse.

/nitpicky

Yeah, I can think of no bigger insult to her than calling her a 'real life Miss Havisham'. That's just horrid! The only similarity between the two is that they're both female.


And held on to stuff from a specific time period for quite a long time, possibly a bit longer than necessary, which is probably the basis for the comparison in the first place.


I have old memorabilia, so when I die will they say I'm a collector, or a male version of Miss Havisham?

Miss Havisham went mad with grief and stayed in her wedding gown, this woman enjoyed history and owning little pieces of it. They're not even remotely alike. Unless this woman tried to use her power to break young boys' hearts I really don't think there's a good enough basis for a comparison.
 
2014-03-13 08:49:43 AM  

Slaxl


Miss Havisham went mad with grief and stayed in her wedding gown, this woman enjoyed history and owning little pieces of it. They're not even remotely alike. Unless this woman tried to use her power to break young boys' hearts I really don't think there's a good enough basis for a comparison.


*sigh* I'll try this again.

If I attend a sporting event, see someone making impressive achievements in sprinting, and make a comparison to Jesse Owens, will you insist that both people in the comparison must be tall, black men who went to the Olympics in 1936 or will you realize that that they are two people who share a common characteristic as a basis for comparison?

Havisham and the lady in TFA both collected items from specific times/events. That's it. They share that particular characteristic so in that context there is basis for comparison.
 
2014-03-13 10:15:12 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Slaxl

Miss Havisham went mad with grief and stayed in her wedding gown, this woman enjoyed history and owning little pieces of it. They're not even remotely alike. Unless this woman tried to use her power to break young boys' hearts I really don't think there's a good enough basis for a comparison.


*sigh* I'll try this again.

If I attend a sporting event, see someone making impressive achievements in sprinting, and make a comparison to Jesse Owens, will you insist that both people in the comparison must be tall, black men who went to the Olympics in 1936 or will you realize that that they are two people who share a common characteristic as a basis for comparison?

Havisham and the lady in TFA both collected items from specific times/events. That's it. They share that particular characteristic so in that context there is basis for comparison.


No, we obviously have a vast chasm between us and our opinions on whether it's okay to compare nice old ladies to horrible Dickensian witches. The sprinter comparison is a positive one, (and since you ask, no I don't think simply being a successful sprinter does make it a worthy basis for comparison unless you're actually talking times) this comparison to Miss Havisham is wholly negative. There's no redeeming quality to Miss Havisham, except when she died and realised the error of her ways. If someone is a successful businessmen you wouldn't write their eulogy comparing them to Ebeneezer Scrooge, unless they actually were miserly and thrifty beyond all good reason. If you're going to make a comparison to a negative character then make sure it's apt.

By all accounts this was a nice, genial lady who collected war memorabilia. Why you think that means she held on to things longer than necessary and can thus be compared to a mad, grief stricken woman who remained in her wedding dress for the rest of her life, trying to corrupt young hearts, is unfathomable to me.
 
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