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(Daily Mail)   Historians find huge collection of WW I memorabilia in attic of real-life 'Miss Havisham' who died two years ago   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 62
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2014-03-12 10:40:40 PM

OldManDownDRoad: Billy Liar: TheShavingofOccam123: I wonder how many women decided not to get married after a war killed their fiance or husband. It seems like there were a lot of them in the UK.

It was a bad one, all right.  Some towns lost a major part of the men of one or more generations.

I was in a small village in Scotland during a hiking holiday and noticed a plinth in the town square. I walked over to read it and it was a memorial to the men killed in the Great War. There were 21 names on the stone. I had a chilling thought of what it must have been like to lose that many able-bodied men in a rural, agricultural area.

Then I walked over to the pub and had a large whisky.


The Pals Battalions were a bloody stupid idea too.

/I looked up the Book of Remembrance at Edinburgh Castle and found that my great grandfather had died on the same day my grandfather (his son) was born.
 
2014-03-12 11:33:45 PM

Billy Liar: It was a bad one, all right. Some towns lost a major part of the men of one or more generations.


20,000 British infantrymen died on the first day of the Somme offensive.

I can't even begin to grasp what that was like.
 
2014-03-13 12:22:33 AM
She was nothing like Miss Havisham. From the article: "I think Vervia would be chuffed to bits and thoroughly enjoying it.The house was always full of people and she was very generous."

Miss Havisham was a recluse.

/nitpicky
 
2014-03-13 12:29:42 AM

Spiralmonkey: OldManDownDRoad: Billy Liar: TheShavingofOccam123: I wonder how many women decided not to get married after a war killed their fiance or husband. It seems like there were a lot of them in the UK.

It was a bad one, all right.  Some towns lost a major part of the men of one or more generations.

I was in a small village in Scotland during a hiking holiday and noticed a plinth in the town square. I walked over to read it and it was a memorial to the men killed in the Great War. There were 21 names on the stone. I had a chilling thought of what it must have been like to lose that many able-bodied men in a rural, agricultural area.

Then I walked over to the pub and had a large whisky.

The Pals Battalions were a bloody stupid idea too.

/I looked up the Book of Remembrance at Edinburgh Castle and found that my great grandfather had died on the same day my grandfather (his son) was born.


The US had their Sullivan brothers. It is amazing how many WWII US divisions were made up of federalized National Guard units, which meant many of the personnel were from the same state.
 
2014-03-13 01:09:55 AM
very nice world war stuff, nice to see so much saved whenwe are closing in on the 100th anniversary of the war to end all war, sadly it proved anything but.
 
2014-03-13 01:24:56 AM
Since no one else seems to be answering this question: In the novel Great Expectations, the main character, Pip, crosses paths with many, many quirky characters of the sort that populate all the novels of Charles Dickens. Pip ends up in the house of one Miss Havisham, who was stood up at the altar years before the novel takes place. When we meet her, she has become a recluse who still wears her ragged wedding gown and keeps the rotting wedding cake in the main hall of the house in anticipation of the day her suitor will return.

/former English teacher
 
2014-03-13 01:40:58 AM

highwayrun: Since no one else seems to be answering this question: In the novel Great Expectations, the main character, Pip, crosses paths with many, many quirky characters of the sort that populate all the novels of Charles Dickens. Pip ends up in the house of one Miss Havisham, who was stood up at the altar years before the novel takes place. When we meet her, she has become a recluse who still wears her ragged wedding gown and keeps the rotting wedding cake in the main hall of the house in anticipation of the day her suitor will return.

/former English teacher


Honestly, what did you think of the book? I remember reading it in 8th or 9th grade, and I didn't care for it. I think it would've been a lot cooler if we read Hunt For Red October, but I'm just asking. Maybe if I read Dickens now, I would have a new perspective, but it didn't make learning fun at the time.
 
2014-03-13 05:16:09 AM

Zappagirl: She was nothing like Miss Havisham. From the article: "I think Vervia would be chuffed to bits and thoroughly enjoying it.The house was always full of people and she was very generous."

Miss Havisham was a recluse.

/nitpicky


Yeah, I can think of no bigger insult to her than calling her a 'real life Miss Havisham'. That's just horrid! The only similarity between the two is that they're both female.
 
2014-03-13 07:15:11 AM

Slaxl


Zappagirl: She was nothing like Miss Havisham. From the article: "I think Vervia would be chuffed to bits and thoroughly enjoying it.The house was always full of people and she was very generous."

Miss Havisham was a recluse.

/nitpicky

Yeah, I can think of no bigger insult to her than calling her a 'real life Miss Havisham'. That's just horrid! The only similarity between the two is that they're both female.


And held on to stuff from a specific time period for quite a long time, possibly a bit longer than necessary, which is probably the basis for the comparison in the first place.
 
2014-03-13 08:30:27 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: Slaxl

Zappagirl: She was nothing like Miss Havisham. From the article: "I think Vervia would be chuffed to bits and thoroughly enjoying it.The house was always full of people and she was very generous."

Miss Havisham was a recluse.

/nitpicky

Yeah, I can think of no bigger insult to her than calling her a 'real life Miss Havisham'. That's just horrid! The only similarity between the two is that they're both female.


And held on to stuff from a specific time period for quite a long time, possibly a bit longer than necessary, which is probably the basis for the comparison in the first place.


I have old memorabilia, so when I die will they say I'm a collector, or a male version of Miss Havisham?

Miss Havisham went mad with grief and stayed in her wedding gown, this woman enjoyed history and owning little pieces of it. They're not even remotely alike. Unless this woman tried to use her power to break young boys' hearts I really don't think there's a good enough basis for a comparison.
 
2014-03-13 08:49:43 AM

Slaxl


Miss Havisham went mad with grief and stayed in her wedding gown, this woman enjoyed history and owning little pieces of it. They're not even remotely alike. Unless this woman tried to use her power to break young boys' hearts I really don't think there's a good enough basis for a comparison.


*sigh* I'll try this again.

If I attend a sporting event, see someone making impressive achievements in sprinting, and make a comparison to Jesse Owens, will you insist that both people in the comparison must be tall, black men who went to the Olympics in 1936 or will you realize that that they are two people who share a common characteristic as a basis for comparison?

Havisham and the lady in TFA both collected items from specific times/events. That's it. They share that particular characteristic so in that context there is basis for comparison.
 
2014-03-13 10:15:12 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: Slaxl

Miss Havisham went mad with grief and stayed in her wedding gown, this woman enjoyed history and owning little pieces of it. They're not even remotely alike. Unless this woman tried to use her power to break young boys' hearts I really don't think there's a good enough basis for a comparison.


*sigh* I'll try this again.

If I attend a sporting event, see someone making impressive achievements in sprinting, and make a comparison to Jesse Owens, will you insist that both people in the comparison must be tall, black men who went to the Olympics in 1936 or will you realize that that they are two people who share a common characteristic as a basis for comparison?

Havisham and the lady in TFA both collected items from specific times/events. That's it. They share that particular characteristic so in that context there is basis for comparison.


No, we obviously have a vast chasm between us and our opinions on whether it's okay to compare nice old ladies to horrible Dickensian witches. The sprinter comparison is a positive one, (and since you ask, no I don't think simply being a successful sprinter does make it a worthy basis for comparison unless you're actually talking times) this comparison to Miss Havisham is wholly negative. There's no redeeming quality to Miss Havisham, except when she died and realised the error of her ways. If someone is a successful businessmen you wouldn't write their eulogy comparing them to Ebeneezer Scrooge, unless they actually were miserly and thrifty beyond all good reason. If you're going to make a comparison to a negative character then make sure it's apt.

By all accounts this was a nice, genial lady who collected war memorabilia. Why you think that means she held on to things longer than necessary and can thus be compared to a mad, grief stricken woman who remained in her wedding dress for the rest of her life, trying to corrupt young hearts, is unfathomable to me.
 
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