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(The Consumerist)   The FTC is investigating Herbalife over claims that it's a pyramid scheme. I know the wheels of government turn slowly, but damn   (consumerist.com) divider line 100
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2014-03-12 05:59:11 PM  
Considering the guy leading the charge against Herbalife has a $1 *billion* short against their stock, and will profit *only* if Herbalife's stock takes a tumble, there's nothing fishy going on at all concerning this investigation. Now, is Herbalife a collection of money-grubbing low-life scumbags running a pyramid scheme? Quite possible. But it sure as shiat would have helped having faith in a fair and honest investigation if this investigation hadn't been pushed so hard by the one guy certain to make a literal fortune if the company goes under.
 
2014-03-12 06:03:03 PM  
Um, I called this pyramid scheme out in the 90s. I figured it would have collapsed/been prosecuted by now. Geesh.
 
2014-03-12 06:13:39 PM  
Herbalife is still around?
 
2014-03-12 06:14:36 PM  
Well, I don't know about pyramid scheme, but it sure as hell is cultlike when the Herbalife folks hang out at the gym...

/creepy people
//really, no, I don't think your sugar, flour, and chemical concoction is healthy in any sense, please stop asking me to buy it
///and why are you having a five-hour talk after 'fit club' to promote it?
 
2014-03-12 06:15:47 PM  
The people at The Forum told me Herbalife would cleanse my liver. They wouldn't lie.
 
2014-03-12 06:16:19 PM  

ClavellBCMI: Considering the guy leading the charge against Herbalife has a $1 *billion* short against their stock, and will profit *only* if Herbalife's stock takes a tumble, there's nothing fishy going on at all concerning this investigation. Now, is Herbalife a collection of money-grubbing low-life scumbags running a pyramid scheme? Quite possible. But it sure as shiat would have helped having faith in a fair and honest investigation if this investigation hadn't been pushed so hard by the one guy certain to make a literal fortune if the company goes under.


This. Isn't this the textbook definition of the pump-and-dump, taking a position and then publicly pushing that position for your own benefit? Weird that the SEC is OK with him doing this.
 
2014-03-12 06:17:31 PM  
The products work. The problem is that you have to play the selling game to get the price to a not-insane level, and by that point the person who signed you up is breathing down your neck to get you signing others up so you and him earn income to further reduce the cost of the products, which actually just recently increased by 3 percent. That's why most people sell, anyway, to reduce their costs for using the stuff. Very few people are doing selling Herbalife for "income."
 
2014-03-12 06:17:32 PM  
The worst date I ever went on started meeting a girl in the toothpaste aisle at the supermarket and ended being pitched a MLM scheme over coffee.

Things got awkward when I questioned how it was not a pyramid scheme, and no, it's not a franchise like McDonalds and Wendys...
 
2014-03-12 06:20:19 PM  
When I think healthy, I think of dying at 44 from a booze and pill overdose.
g
 
2014-03-12 06:20:41 PM  
There was a fugly girl with big fake tits at my gym, she chatted me up and tried to sell me on this shiat. Wore a big button on her boob that said "Want to lose weight? Ask me how!"

She said the power drink mix had "more nutrients than 5 salads" and "makes your hair grow so fast you'll to get it cut once a week." Wtf
 
2014-03-12 06:23:14 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: Um, I called this pyramid scheme out in the 90s. I figured it would have collapsed/been prosecuted by now. Geesh.


Hell, I remember people giving my parents the pitch back in the mid-80s. Even though I was a kid, I knew they were bad news because in the 80s GI Joe comic, Larry Hama explained that COBRA got all of their funding for troops and weapons through Herbalife and Amway style pyramid schemes.

/Larry Hama actually snuck a surprising amount of genuinely useful info into that comic, especially in the early issues before the demands of the toy line pushed things to the outlandish.
 
2014-03-12 06:23:36 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: The worst date I ever went on started meeting a girl in the toothpaste aisle at the supermarket and ended being pitched a MLM scheme over coffee.

Things got awkward when I questioned how it was not a pyramid scheme, and no, it's not a franchise like McDonalds and Wendys...


lol, you got burned.

Thought you were having a good day, cute chick in the toothpaste aisle...You start idle chat and bang, she's going on a date with you.


She had you clocked the minute you passed the crest.


That sucks though.

I thought I was the man when a cute girl approached me at the train station, turned out she was a Mormon on her spiritual quest or whatever.

it happens.
 
2014-03-12 06:24:03 PM  
Pyramid scheme?  Had a couple of distant relatives who were into Amway.  They showed up at a family reunion (this was in the 80s) with a 16mm projector and the reunion turned into an Amway presentation.  I got the feeling that Amway was about 5% selling cleaning products and 95% getting all sorts of promotions like the Super Duper Three Diamond Cluster With Gold Leaf ranking.  Seriously, Mormon Scientologists look normal compared to these guys...
 
2014-03-12 06:24:55 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Weird that the SEC is OK with him doing this.


Here's a good summary by the Times. I think SEC action is inevitable if the reporting is accurate. Link
 
2014-03-12 06:25:27 PM  
"Girl Scouts sell cookies on a direct-selling method, and nobody attacks them," said CEO Michael O. Johnson in 2013.

The ol' Girl Scout defense - good one.    Hopefully the jury won't notice that GSA doesn't have a pyramid structure that funnels most of the profits to upper management.
 
2014-03-12 06:27:34 PM  

Triumph: The people at The Forum told me Herbalife would cleanse my liver. They wouldn't lie.


It might cleanse you of having a functioning liver.
 
2014-03-12 06:27:52 PM  

tripleseven: TheDirtyNacho: The worst date I ever went on started meeting a girl in the toothpaste aisle at the supermarket and ended being pitched a MLM scheme over coffee.

Things got awkward when I questioned how it was not a pyramid scheme, and no, it's not a franchise like McDonalds and Wendys...

lol, you got burned.

Thought you were having a good day, cute chick in the toothpaste aisle...You start idle chat and bang, she's going on a date with you.


She had you clocked the minute you passed the crest.


That sucks though.

I thought I was the man when a cute girl approached me at the train station, turned out she was a Mormon on her spiritual quest or whatever.

it happens.


I've seen it happen too. Almost happened to me with the gym chick. Seems a bit of a dangerous sales strategy to flirt with and go on pretend-dates with guys to try and sell them on a MLM scam. End up leading on the wrong guy...

Oh well, beats working for a living, I guess.
 
2014-03-12 06:29:28 PM  
So's Avon but they, like others, are too big now to go after.
 
2014-03-12 06:32:50 PM  

trippdogg: "Girl Scouts sell cookies on a direct-selling method, and nobody attacks them," said CEO Michael O. Johnson in 2013.

The ol' Girl Scout defense - good one.    Hopefully the jury won't notice that GSA doesn't have a pyramid structure that funnels most of the profits to upper management.


No, they have a child-slavery-and-sell-off-real-estate structure that funnels the profits to the retirement funds of upper management.

But who gives a crap, as long as there are Thin Mints?
 
2014-03-12 06:34:10 PM  

Mad_Radhu: SecretAgentWoman: Um, I called this pyramid scheme out in the 90s. I figured it would have collapsed/been prosecuted by now. Geesh.

Hell, I remember people giving my parents the pitch back in the mid-80s. Even though I was a kid, I knew they were bad news because in the 80s GI Joe comic, Larry Hama explained that COBRA got all of their funding for troops and weapons through Herbalife and Amway style pyramid schemes.

/Larry Hama actually snuck a surprising amount of genuinely useful info into that comic, especially in the early issues before the demands of the toy line pushed things to the outlandish.


I loved that the comic actually had a semi plausible explanation for COBRA
 
2014-03-12 06:36:04 PM  

Ted_Peppy: So's Avon but they, like others, are too big now to go after.


I have a mental image of Mary Kay and the Girl Scouts having a turf war.  The girls pelt the cosmeticians with S'mores and then run away squealing with laughter, then the cosmeticians use lipstick to draw Joker-like grins on the girls.  Like WWII, but pinker and mint-flavored...
 
2014-03-12 06:46:25 PM  

Ted_Peppy: So's Avon but they, like others, are too big now to go after.


I was going to ask how Herbalife is different than Amway, Mary Kay, Avon, Origami Owl, Princess House, Party Lite, Pampered Chef, Thirty-One, Lia Sophia  and all the other stuff people are hocking so they get their wholesale discount.

/get invited to a lot of parties
//rarely attend one
 
2014-03-12 06:47:20 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Weird that the SEC is OK with him doing this.


You're surprised that the SEC doesn't have a problem with a rich white guy trying to make a stupidly large amount of money at the expense of someone other than richer white guys?
 
2014-03-12 06:48:08 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: The worst date I ever went on started meeting a girl in the toothpaste aisle at the supermarket and ended being pitched a MLM scheme over coffee.

Things got awkward when I questioned how it was not a pyramid scheme, and no, it's not a franchise like McDonalds and Wendys...


Similar thing happened to me.

CSB: I was picking up this hot, older woman (I was 19 and she was 27) and she ended up taking me to a pyramid marketing pitch meeting run by some smarmy guy. They asked if anyone had any questions at the end so I raised my hand... and proceeded to pick their business model apart. It wasn't hard... we were supposed to buy their "eco friendly" cleaning products from the company, then sell them and sign up our customers to sell them with each successive level of sales people getting a percentage of the sales below them.

I asked how it was going to be a sustainable business without infinite growth - which is impossible - and how all these ever growing levels of sales people (each taking a percentage) would not inflate the product prices to end users until the products were swiftly unsustainably expensive. Then before he could answer I added, "And furthermore, how will the company survive in the long term being that it is clearly a pyramid marketing scheme - which is illegal?"

The sales guy just was shocked for a few seconds... the pulled himself together, told me that this "fantastic opportunity" was obviously not for me and asked me to leave. The woman who tricked me in to going was mortified and I felt like I'd paid her back for the indignity. Neither of us ever called each other again of course.
 
2014-03-12 06:48:34 PM  
             I
           was
         under
       the idea
      Herbalife
     was totally
    a legitimate
  non-pyramidal
 scheme and not
a criminal  racket.
 
2014-03-12 06:49:50 PM  

Kinetic King: Pyramid scheme?  Had a couple of distant relatives who were into Amway.  They showed up at a family reunion (this was in the 80s) with a 16mm projector and the reunion turned into an Amway presentation.  I got the feeling that Amway was about 5% selling cleaning products and 95% getting all sorts of promotions like the Super Duper Three Diamond Cluster With Gold Leaf ranking.  Seriously, Mormon Scientologists look normal compared to these guys...


I thought of Amway, too.  I was once on friendly terms with some people who started selling those shiny tickets to cleanliness and financial prosperity.  I quickly "unfriended" them, and this was years before Facebook.
 
2014-03-12 06:50:21 PM  

tripleseven: TheDirtyNacho: The worst date I ever went on started meeting a girl in the toothpaste aisle at the supermarket and ended being pitched a MLM scheme over coffee.

Things got awkward when I questioned how it was not a pyramid scheme, and no, it's not a franchise like McDonalds and Wendys...

lol, you got burned.

Thought you were having a good day, cute chick in the toothpaste aisle...You start idle chat and bang, she's going on a date with you.


She had you clocked the minute you passed the crest.


That sucks though.

I thought I was the man when a cute girl approached me at the train station, turned out she was a Mormon on her spiritual quest or whatever.

it happens.


blog.chewxy.com
www.jamdeal.com

/it's MLM and Mormonism!
 
2014-03-12 06:53:52 PM  

Kinetic King: Pyramid scheme?  Had a couple of distant relatives who were into Amway.  They showed up at a family reunion (this was in the 80s) with a 16mm projector and the reunion turned into an Amway presentation.  I got the feeling that Amway was about 5% selling cleaning products and 95% getting all sorts of promotions like the Super Duper Three Diamond Cluster With Gold Leaf ranking.  Seriously, Mormon Scientologists look normal compared to these guys...


Amway exists so that the family idiot can support himself. Everybody needs to buy toothpaste and detergent, why not buy it from cousin Billy-Joe who failed third grade?
 
2014-03-12 06:56:20 PM  
Okay, the pyramid scheme thing always confuses me.  Maybe I'm misunderstanding the definition.  I would assume that things like Mary Kay, Pampered Chef, and that one where women are "empowered" by selling them sex toys in some greedy skank's living room, would be considered pyramid schemes.  If so, though, why doesn't the law come down on them?
 
2014-03-12 06:59:23 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: ClavellBCMI: Considering the guy leading the charge against Herbalife has a $1 *billion* short against their stock, and will profit *only* if Herbalife's stock takes a tumble, there's nothing fishy going on at all concerning this investigation. Now, is Herbalife a collection of money-grubbing low-life scumbags running a pyramid scheme? Quite possible. But it sure as shiat would have helped having faith in a fair and honest investigation if this investigation hadn't been pushed so hard by the one guy certain to make a literal fortune if the company goes under.

This. Isn't this the textbook definition of the pump-and-dump, taking a position and then publicly pushing that position for your own benefit? Weird that the SEC is OK with him doing this.


They will probably only investigate him if Herbalife does, indeed, go under and his shorting of Herbalife does, indeed, earn him his money. And then, only if his bribe money fails to materialize.
 
2014-03-12 06:59:37 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: The worst date I ever went on started meeting a girl in the toothpaste aisle at the supermarket and ended being pitched a MLM scheme over coffee.

Things got awkward when I questioned how it was not a pyramid scheme, and no, it's not a franchise like McDonalds and Wendys...


CSB ahoy!

I was working at CompUSA in 98-99, and we'd get these people in at a rate of about one every few months.  I slung desktops and laptops then, and I could always spot them the minute they whipped out their little credit-card sized CD's to ask if they'd work in the CD-ROM drive.  I'd oblige because I had to, and I'd always try to test their resolve by intentionally looking away as the presentation was playing, trying to see how much they'd try to keep my attention.  I'll admit though, the first one hooked me in, but when we met at a Dennys so he could make the full-throated pitch, I had a good feeling something was amiss.
 
2014-03-12 07:01:03 PM  
i.imgur.com

The government process.
 
2014-03-12 07:01:48 PM  

Oh-Blonde-One: Ted_Peppy: So's Avon but they, like others, are too big now to go after.

I was going to ask how Herbalife is different than Amway, Mary Kay, Avon, Origami Owl, Princess House, Party Lite, Pampered Chef, Thirty-One, Lia Sophia  and all the other stuff people are hocking so they get their wholesale discount.

/get invited to a lot of parties
//rarely attend one


Out of all of those, Pampered Chef is the only one I'd even remotely consider. I once lived with a female friend who sold P.C. She did a hell of a lot of cooking with their products, as did I, and I was impressed; they make some quality shiat for the home market. It's stuff I would actually feel comfortable about selling, and I'm normally a horrible salesman.

Also, from what I understand, most of their sales lines are produced from people who have actually used the stuff, and asked about getting into it on their own, instead of having the concept sold to them.
 
2014-03-12 07:02:24 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: ClavellBCMI: Considering the guy leading the charge against Herbalife has a $1 *billion* short against their stock, and will profit *only* if Herbalife's stock takes a tumble, there's nothing fishy going on at all concerning this investigation. Now, is Herbalife a collection of money-grubbing low-life scumbags running a pyramid scheme? Quite possible. But it sure as shiat would have helped having faith in a fair and honest investigation if this investigation hadn't been pushed so hard by the one guy certain to make a literal fortune if the company goes under.

This. Isn't this the textbook definition of the pump-and-dump, taking a position and then publicly pushing that position for your own benefit? Weird that the SEC is OK with him doing this.


Well, the man traded on public knowledge and has taken a public position calling for a public investigation. The fact he waited until the company wore out even the hispanics and the company is about to stumble is questionable. Shoulda stopped over a decade ago.

If the SEC is going to go after someone for dissing a company and taking the position, then they'd have to go after people who cheer on a company and take the position.
 
2014-03-12 07:05:54 PM  

ClavellBCMI: Considering the guy leading the charge against Herbalife has a $1 *billion* short against their stock, and will profit *only* if Herbalife's stock takes a tumble, there's nothing fishy going on at all concerning this investigation. Now, is Herbalife a collection of money-grubbing low-life scumbags running a pyramid scheme? Quite possible. But it sure as shiat would have helped having faith in a fair and honest investigation if this investigation hadn't been pushed so hard by the one guy certain to make a literal fortune if the company goes under.


Yeah. But hes a democrat. Only rich conservatives are evil.
 
2014-03-12 07:06:48 PM  
The ex-fiance tried to get me into one of those, after we broke up, of course.  The unemployment benefits dried up and she started into this with a lot of passion.  I calmly explained to her what a pyramid scheme was, how they worked, and that it was against the law. ... Never heard about that again.  She did try to get employee pricing for a shiat-ton of color copies at a later date.  She was doing a presentation about the company to a bunch of her relatives and wanted to look well-off enough to afford the presentation in color.  Tried to talk me into getting a five finger discount first, but I wanted to keep my job and not get black-listed from the industry for theft.

/told her to go fly a kite after she called a few months back: i've switched industries and am not looking back
 
2014-03-12 07:08:13 PM  

Valiente: /it's MLM and Mormonism!


They go together like bread and butter.  There are hundreds of MLMs out of Utah.  I also know people who got into these life-sucks through Jehovahs' Witness, Christian Scientist, and Seventh-Day Adventist networks.

I figure, you've got a lot of people who, besides being good at swallowing bullshiat, have lots of practice with bugging people, having door slammed in their faces, and having people look at them like they were short-bus riders.
 
2014-03-12 07:08:29 PM  

HortusMatris: Okay, the pyramid scheme thing always confuses me.  Maybe I'm misunderstanding the definition.  I would assume that things like Mary Kay, Pampered Chef, and that one where women are "empowered" by selling them sex toys in some greedy skank's living room, would be considered pyramid schemes.  If so, though, why doesn't the law come down on them?


It sounds like (according to the guy in the article anyway) that the main difference between Herbalife and other MLM companies is that the other companies actually sell stuff to people who are not involved with the company.  According to him, the only people buying Herbalife products are the people selling it.  They're buying the merchandise for themselves.
 
2014-03-12 07:11:14 PM  

Fano: Mad_Radhu: SecretAgentWoman: Um, I called this pyramid scheme out in the 90s. I figured it would have collapsed/been prosecuted by now. Geesh.

Hell, I remember people giving my parents the pitch back in the mid-80s. Even though I was a kid, I knew they were bad news because in the 80s GI Joe comic, Larry Hama explained that COBRA got all of their funding for troops and weapons through Herbalife and Amway style pyramid schemes.

/Larry Hama actually snuck a surprising amount of genuinely useful info into that comic, especially in the early issues before the demands of the toy line pushed things to the outlandish.

I loved that the comic actually had a semi plausible explanation for COBRA


I need to find the comic where it says this.

/Do you know what number it was?
 
2014-03-12 07:11:49 PM  

Oh-Blonde-One: I was going to ask how Herbalife is different than Amway, Mary Kay, Avon, Origami Owl, Princess House, Party Lite, Pampered Chef, Thirty-One, Lia Sophia and all the other stuff people are hocking so they get their wholesale discount.


If people are hocking the stuff for the wholesale/employee discount, it's scummy and desperate but legal.

If people pay to join the so-called business -- whether directly as a "membership fee" or mandatory "training", or indirectly through a required purchase -- and earlier joiners only get paid out when they recruit enough people below them, it's a pyramid scheme. In situations like this it's pretty clear that the whole thing will collapse when the scheme runs out of recruits.

Unfortunately there's a big grey area in the middle. Most MLM businesses have a mixture of recruiting fees and actual product; and many modern outright scams have a nominal product specifically to disguise the true nature;  and there's no hard and fast rule that says that when a business makes more money selling courses and manuals and training to its own employees than it makes selling product to end customers, then the FTC will pay attention.

But for my money, any time people are getting paid more for recruiting new members than for selling product, it's fishy. (And frankly I would stay away from any MLM business on principle.)
 
2014-03-12 07:14:18 PM  
My big grin was when someone tried to pitch a carburetor design that would save gas,but "the big auto makers don't want you to know this."

Not sure if he expected me to buy his plans and have it fabricated at a machine shop. I quietly pass by secrets that are still secrets because no one wants them.

Now carburetors have been replaced by fuel injection.
 
2014-03-12 07:14:50 PM  

HortusMatris: Okay, the pyramid scheme thing always confuses me.  Maybe I'm misunderstanding the definition.  I would assume that things like Mary Kay, Pampered Chef, and that one where women are "empowered" by selling them sex toys in some greedy skank's living room, would be considered pyramid schemes.  If so, though, why doesn't the law come down on them?


The classic pyramid scheme is essentially the same as the chain letter asking you to send a dollar to the sender and passing the letter on to five other friends asking them to send you a dollar.  This is illegal under gambling laws.

Amway and other such companies make the process rather voluntary and there are certain procedures in place that keep them inside the law.  They are also private companies with no public stock.  Herbalife went public in 2004.

/I could be wrong about this
//My last research into this area was a couple of decades ago.
 
2014-03-12 07:15:41 PM  

wildcardjack: Adolf Oliver Nipples: ClavellBCMI: Considering the guy leading the charge against Herbalife has a $1 *billion* short against their stock, and will profit *only* if Herbalife's stock takes a tumble, there's nothing fishy going on at all concerning this investigation. Now, is Herbalife a collection of money-grubbing low-life scumbags running a pyramid scheme? Quite possible. But it sure as shiat would have helped having faith in a fair and honest investigation if this investigation hadn't been pushed so hard by the one guy certain to make a literal fortune if the company goes under.

This. Isn't this the textbook definition of the pump-and-dump, taking a position and then publicly pushing that position for your own benefit? Weird that the SEC is OK with him doing this.

Well, the man traded on public knowledge and has taken a public position calling for a public investigation. The fact he waited until the company wore out even the hispanics and the company is about to stumble is questionable. Shoulda stopped over a decade ago.

If the SEC is going to go after someone for dissing a company and taking the position, then they'd have to go after people who cheer on a company and take the position.


Hes using his political connections to spur the investigations.
 
2014-03-12 07:17:52 PM  
I have lost a couple for what i thought were good friends over this, they surprise drop the pitch on you and then you point out that the profit model forms the shape of a pyramid and while it may not be a scheme per say it is.

They get so mad and honestly it takes a certain personality to want to sell things like this anyhow and I dont have it and they try to tell you that it will change once you see all the money coming in.

Like an odd vitamin pushing group of cults.
 
2014-03-12 07:19:51 PM  

ReverendJynxed: [i.imgur.com image 850x401]

The government process.


Thanks! I forgot all about that thing.
 
2014-03-12 07:33:05 PM  

trippdogg: "Girl Scouts sell cookies on a direct-selling method, and nobody attacks them," said CEO Michael O. Johnson in 2013.

The ol' Girl Scout defense - good one.    Hopefully the jury won't notice that GSA doesn't have a pyramid structure that funnels most of the profits to upper management.


Yeah, it isn't like the Girl Scouts are out there at the stores trying to get you to sell cookies for them.

Although, don't give them any ideas.
 
2014-03-12 07:34:55 PM  

ReverendJynxed: [i.imgur.com image 850x401]

The government process.


I had to go and let Jeff Goldblum  watch me. While there I wondered if anyone has ever figured out the torque at the end of it. Has to be astronomical.
 
2014-03-12 07:35:24 PM  
The Mormans, JW's, and others  of their ilk like to do business with each other, so they have a pretty guaranteed market for most of this stuff.  I'm sure there's a bible verse they mis-interpret that commands them to do this.

Not a CSB:  We had very good friends year ago that lived in another city.  From time to time we'd make a weekend out of heading off to visit each other.  So off we go to their place and discover that he has sold off his share in daddy's business and bought in at a mid to high level of Amway. First night with them we had to go to a meeting.  It was lie a religious revival.  The speaker had been a down in the dregs wino but Amway saved his soul and delivered him to the Altar of Consumerism.  Now he was rolling in dough (turned out that wasn't quite true, the dough part.)  My friend thought this was the best way to spend an evening.  He mocked me my 9 to 5 job.  When he wanted to take off in the middle of the day to play golf, he just went.  he was his own boss.  I had to pay homage to the man, what a sucker I was.  So later, like 3 in the morning, I hear the phone ring.  One of his "downline" in having marital problems and kept my friend on the phone past our 8 AM breakfast crying on his  shoulder.  When he finally was free, I told him I may have to put in a full 8 hours, but I don't have to play marriage counselor at 3 AM.

When we left, my wife felt obligated to buy something.  She got the run proof pantyhose.  They didn't last through the first wearing, and cost triple what she used to pay.  Within a year, he had lost pretty much everything he had and was back working for his dad as an employee, not a part owner.   And we never saw them again.  #sadstorybro
 
2014-03-12 07:44:50 PM  
Newest thing I've seen being pushed on "friends" is Younique makeup. Sounds very much like a pyramid scheme to me. Anyone have any experience with them?
 
2014-03-12 07:50:23 PM  
...and this is why I'm a fan of Major League Soccer.  Through the fact that Amway, Herbalife, Advocare, Xango, LifeVantage, and probably one more I'm forgetting have sponsored teams through the years, I'm well versed in which companies are MLMs and to stay the hell away from them
 
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