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2014-03-12 06:03:21 PM  
Cutting bad quarterbacks is always a good thing. I don't really question it. Jeff Garcia would be better today for them.
 
2014-03-12 06:09:09 PM  
They're finding new, innovative ways to lose, that's what they're doing. Not until they put together 3 winning seasons in a row will I be convinced otherwise.

You can out together the best lineup in the world on paper, but it's still Cleveland, where players have gone to die since the mid-'80s. Taking the Redskins model and applying it there looks like a good way to spend a lot of money with nothing to show for it.
 
2014-03-12 06:25:11 PM  
THEY RELEASED WEEDEN.
 
2014-03-12 06:27:59 PM  
...AND JASON CAMPBELL

afc north just had the biggest brown concern since you ate at chipotle after a night of drinking
 
2014-03-12 06:28:27 PM  

thecpt: THEY RELEASED WEEDEN.


isn't he filing an age discrimination case as we speak?

/because he is old
 
2014-03-12 06:34:44 PM  
I'm more interested in what-in-the-Oakland are the Raiders doing? How do you have the most cash to spend and get worse? Damn.
 
2014-03-12 06:37:31 PM  
I guess you could call it, "Trying not to suck."
 
2014-03-12 06:39:49 PM  
There's a bizarre QB rumor about a possible trade between the Patriots and Browns that smells like bullshiat.  If it happens, the first two days of action would be small fry.
 
2014-03-12 06:40:40 PM  
they're going use all their draft picks on quarterbacks, then eventually start all of them over the course of the season, before firing everybody in the front office and coaching staff, then Haslam will move the team to Knoxville and they'll win 2 super bowls, the NFL will feel bad and give Cleveland another Browns team which will have 10 straight 0-16 seasons after which the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse will destroy the world

or they're going to draft JFF

whichever
 
2014-03-12 06:41:14 PM  

Cybernetic: I guess you could call it, "Trying not to suck."


By giving a 4 year/$28 million contract to a safety who sucks in coverage?
 
2014-03-12 06:42:08 PM  

llortcM_yllort: There's a bizarre QB rumor about a possible trade between the Patriots and Browns that smells like bullshiat.  If it happens, the first two days of action would be small fry.


Browns gonna get Brady
 
2014-03-12 06:43:26 PM  

AdamK: llortcM_yllort: There's a bizarre QB rumor about a possible trade between the Patriots and Browns that smells like bullshiat.  If it happens, the first two days of action would be small fry.

Browns gonna get Brady


It smells like bullshiat, it almost certaintly is bullshiat, but it would be crazy if it happened.  This is why people read the National Enquirer, isn't it?
 
2014-03-12 06:44:29 PM  

AdamK: llortcM_yllort: There's a bizarre QB rumor about a possible trade between the Patriots and Browns that smells like bullshiat.  If it happens, the first two days of action would be small fry.

Browns gonna get Brady


Belechick might do that just to show everybody that Brady's success was because of him. Never discount ego when talking about the Hoodie.
 
2014-03-12 06:44:44 PM  
The two guys they signed replace 2 guys they let walk in free agency who ended up being cheaper and younger. Dansby is likely better than D'Qwell Jackson, but he's also 33. Ward was a pro-bowler and they spent more to replace him with Whitner. WFNY is saying that Whitner is better in coverage, where Ward was better against the run, so they want to call it a wash. I'd be tempted to say Whitner is an upgrade in the short-term, as passing is far more important in the modern NFL, but it's not like Ward was a slouch in that department. Realistically, they let go of their two top tacklers and signed older, more expensive replacements. They may improve in the short-term, but this team isn't winning in the short term. Long-term, you've lost two of your best assets.

I'm guessing, though, that it wasn't entirely the Browns' choice. D'Qwell was unhappy and verbally trashing the decision to fire Chud. Ward has been chirping about getting out of here as well. They weren't going to be able to get Jackson to re-structure, so they cut him. I think Ward was intent on leaving, and given that he went to the Broncos, it's clear he wanted to go to a winning team for a change.

Getting rid of Weeden and Campbell is fine (Weeden actually costs more money to cut than to keep, but cutting Campbell offsets this somewhat). But let's not start going crazy about all these moves just yet. I'll be happy to call this free agency period a win if they

1) Avoid anyone who might be a starting QB (Vick, Schaub, etc... we already have a veteran QB on the roster in Hoyer, and we need to be drafting our QB of the future. Nobody in free agency is a good move unless they're cheap and on a short-term deal. Rex Grossman would actually make some sense given his familiarity with Kyle Shannahan, and that he'd likely have no illusions about being a starter)
2) Sign a guard or two to improve the o-line. We've got our pro-bowl center and LT. Schwartz is good enough at RT. The guards have been mediocre to awful for the last few years. We have cap space, this is a good area to fix.
3) Don't overpay for a RB - seriously. It's 2014. Everyone knows that running backs are cheap, replaceable and don't age very well. Don't be spending huge money on Tate, Moreno or any of those guys
4) Don't lose Alex Mack. They slapped the transition tag on him, meaning he could get an offer. He should be on this team for another 5 years minimum. Keep him, please.

We have holes at QB, RB, WR (behind Gordon), G, CB (behind Haden) and the other safety spot. Most of those should be filled in the draft. We have cap room, but it's important to remember we also don't have a franchise QB. You keep cap space open until you have that guy, in case something comes up and you've got a chance to land a Manning in free agency, Brees in a trade or some other scenario.
 
2014-03-12 06:45:12 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: You can out together the best lineup in the world on paper, but it's still Cleveland, where players have gone to die since the mid-'80s


...that's just it.  The last time the "best lineup in the world" resided in Cleveland, Otto Graham was QB, Jim Brown was RB, and the kicker doubled as an O-lineman.  You want a contender, you need consistency, something this team has not had one iota of for two decades.
 
2014-03-12 06:45:54 PM  
Good, good. The Factory of Sadness needs hope to produce good quality tears,
 
2014-03-12 06:46:54 PM  

llortcM_yllort: Cybernetic: I guess you could call it, "Trying not to suck."

By giving a 4 year/$28 million contract to a safety who sucks in coverage?


Well, they gave up a safety who sucks at pretty much everything.  Sorry, bronies, you didn't upgrade with TJ Ward...
 
2014-03-12 06:47:46 PM  

llortcM_yllort: There's a bizarre QB rumor about a possible trade between the Patriots and Browns that smells like bullshiat.  If it happens, the first two days of action would be small fry.


Well, I'm pretty sure the Patriots have called every team four times over to remind them of one (1) Ryan Mallet on the roster they would love to flip for a high pick should someone be dumb enough to do it.

"His arm is strong like bull! And, he's not doing drugs anymore...we think...actually, don't hold us to that."
 
2014-03-12 06:48:53 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: Good, good. The Factory of Sadness needs hope to produce good quality tears,


It's almost enough to make me look forward to Mike Polk's next rant at the stadium. Last year's was pretty good, too.
 
2014-03-12 06:52:15 PM  

IlGreven: llortcM_yllort: Cybernetic: I guess you could call it, "Trying not to suck."

By giving a 4 year/$28 million contract to a safety who sucks in coverage?

Well, they gave up a safety who sucks at pretty much everything.  Sorry, bronies, you didn't upgrade with TJ Ward...


TJ Ward is very good at shading up and being a run-stopper. Although, if your safety is making a lot of tackles on run plays, it's probably bad news for your defense in general. Ward is a pro-bowler, and was the #3 ranked safety for a reason. That being said, he's small and a lot of his game revolves around him being a "heavy hitter". Everyone's been calling him an injury risk his entire career. He might be younger than Whitner, but there's a chance Whitner has more years left anyway.
 
2014-03-12 06:52:31 PM  

IlGreven: You want a contender, you need consistency, something this team has not had one iota of for two decades.


One reason why I'll forever love Paul Allen. He hired Carroll and Schneider with the understanding that there would be a process and saw it through despite 2.5 lackluster/mediocre seasons that saw them sign and immediately bench a starting QB and make more personnel moves than...something that moves a lot. The consistency of philosophy and coaching was the main reason they continued to progress and won the Super Bowl.

/That, and drafting Russell Wilson
 
2014-03-12 07:00:45 PM  

Shame Us: IlGreven: You want a contender, you need consistency, something this team has not had one iota of for two decades.

One reason why I'll forever love Paul Allen. He hired Carroll and Schneider with the understanding that there would be a process and saw it through despite 2.5 lackluster/mediocre seasons that saw them sign and immediately bench a starting QB and make more personnel moves than...something that moves a lot. The consistency of philosophy and coaching was the main reason they continued to progress and won the Super Bowl.

/That, and drafting Russell Wilson


The fact that they got Wilson in the third is one of the larger reasons they're doing so well. Because their franchise QB isn't actually making what a franchise QB should make, they can spend heavy on other guys (and they have). Everyone keeps talking about how they'll have to lose some of those players to free agency eventually. And that's true. But the real salary cap crunch comes when they have to re-up Wilson. Luckily, that doesn't come up until 2016, assuming he doesn't hold out and demand a new contract before then.

Seriously, the guy is the lowest paid starting QB in the NFL. Making $3M over the length of a 4 year contract.
 
2014-03-12 07:03:50 PM  
The optimist in me says "Gwuh?  Perhaps Cleveland has finally pulled their heads out of the Brown hole and realized what they've got to do."

The jackassish pessimist in me says "There's still a lot of time until May 9th.  Watch them sign noboy else of value in free agency, then trade their fourth pick to Buffalo for a zamboni and waste the other first round pick on some punter out of some JuCo business college in California."

The Colts fan in me, currently residing in the Robert Irsay Memorial Cardiac center of the Eskenazi Health campus says between mini-strokes "Why the fark did we trade a first round pick for Richardson!?"

/Not a real part of the hospital that I know of.
//If it were, it'd probably be at Methodist.
///Another jackassish pessimist thought: You could always coax Kordell Stewart to come back to the game...
 
2014-03-12 07:03:50 PM  

lacydog: Seriously, the guy is the lowest paid starting QB in the NFL. Making $3M over the length of a 4 year contract.


The players agreed to the CBA. The owners wanted this, and the players were fine with it, mostly because the veterans got tired of seeing rookies come out of college and make millions more than they did before ever playing a down or proving themselves. It's one of the few things the players and owners both agreed on.

Wilson will get paid when his he comes up for his next contract. A lot.
 
2014-03-12 07:07:57 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: lacydog: Seriously, the guy is the lowest paid starting QB in the NFL. Making $3M over the length of a 4 year contract.

The players agreed to the CBA. The owners wanted this, and the players were fine with it, mostly because the veterans got tired of seeing rookies come out of college and make millions more than they did before ever playing a down or proving themselves. It's one of the few things the players and owners both agreed on.

Wilson will get paid when his he comes up for his next contract. A lot.


If there's someone to "blame" for that oddity, it's the other teams that didn't draft him sooner.
 
2014-03-12 07:10:57 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Belechick might do that just to show everybody that Brady's success was because of him. Never discount ego when talking about the Hoodie.


also never count out touchdown tom
 
2014-03-12 07:17:57 PM  

GQueue: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Belechick might do that just to show everybody that Brady's success was because of him. Never discount ego when talking about the Hoodie.

also never count out touchdown tom


The browns did.
 
2014-03-12 07:18:39 PM  

lacydog: The fact that they got Wilson in the third is one of the larger reasons they're doing so well. Because their franchise QB isn't actually making what a franchise QB should make, they can spend heavy on other guys (and they have). Everyone keeps talking about how they'll have to lose some of those players to free agency eventually. And that's true. But the real salary cap crunch comes when they have to re-up Wilson. Luckily, that doesn't come up until 2016, assuming he doesn't hold out and demand a new contract before then.

Seriously, the guy is the lowest paid starting QB in the NFL. Making $3M over the length of a 4 year contract.


We're seeing it more and more now since the new salary rules are in effect. Cam Newton's cap hit this year on his #1 overall deal is only $7mil. Every team that "hits" on a QB in the draft will be paying him far far less than market value for at least 3 years. Newton is probably an $18-20 million per year QB when he gets a new deal. He's the most expensive QB still on his rookie deal and is making less than half of his true value.

Andrew Luck, the #1 from 2012 when Wilson was drafted, is only hitting the Colts cap at a little over $6 million this season. Again, 1/3 of his value, for the #1 overall QB.

So, had the Seahawks drafted Wilson on the 1st round at #15 they'd still only be eating a cap number of between $3.45 million (Ryan Tannehill @ #8) and $2.2 million (Weeden @ #22).

Wilson is making less than those guys, but in a league with a $133 million salary cap, the difference between Wilson's $817k cap hit and what he would be making had he been drafted in the 1st round is only $2 million - or 1.5% of the cap or 28% of a Michael Bennett season. The Seahawks situation with a cheap QB is not rare in the league today - every team starting a QB drafted after 2010 is in the same situation.

Your other point is true - having Thomas, Sherman, Wilson & Harvin all over $10 million cap hits will be extremely difficult to work. Even if the cap rises significantly again. I suspect Thomas will hit the cap around $12mil after the 1st year, Sherman $14-15mil after Year 1 and Wilson closer to $20mil. That's $59 million in cap space taken by 4 guys. Even if you say the cap goes up to $150mil buy 2016, that's still tough. Workable, but tough. Gotta keep drafting well and making sure your tough cuts are the right move.
 
2014-03-12 07:19:53 PM  

thecpt: Adolf Oliver Nipples: lacydog: Seriously, the guy is the lowest paid starting QB in the NFL. Making $3M over the length of a 4 year contract.

The players agreed to the CBA. The owners wanted this, and the players were fine with it, mostly because the veterans got tired of seeing rookies come out of college and make millions more than they did before ever playing a down or proving themselves. It's one of the few things the players and owners both agreed on.

Wilson will get paid when his he comes up for his next contract. A lot.

If there's someone to "blame" for that oddity, it's the other teams that didn't draft him sooner.


Even if the Seahawks had drafted him instead of Bruce Irvin at the #15 overall slot, he'd only be $2 million more expensive this year than he is.
 
2014-03-12 07:24:30 PM  
That said, it's still hilarious to be able to trot out stats like the Seahawks pay Lemuel Jeanpierre, their backup center, more than Russell Wilson. And James Carpenter, the backup G, makes 3 times as much as Wilson.
 
2014-03-12 07:31:57 PM  
Hahahaha on Twitter they've already got Tom Brady's Browns jersey made up.

I'm guessing this rumor is part of a guerrilla marketing campaign for that new Draft Day movie.
 
2014-03-12 07:34:03 PM  

Pimparoo: Hahahaha on Twitter they've already got Tom Brady's Browns jersey made up.

I'm guessing this rumor is part of a guerrilla marketing campaign for that new Draft Day movie.


That would be pretty hilarious.
 
2014-03-12 07:55:56 PM  

Pimparoo: Hahahaha on Twitter they've already got Tom Brady's Browns jersey made up.

I'm guessing this rumor is part of a guerrilla marketing campaign for that new Draft Day movie.


Looks like it originated from one of the fake ESPN analyst Twitter accounts that pop up every offseason, this one being @AdamShelfter, who tweeted that the Browns had offered the Patriots three first-round picks for Tom Brady. He later tweeted that Darrelle Revis had been signed by the Chicago Bulls.
 
2014-03-12 08:08:18 PM  
Speaking as a lifelong Clevelander, my response is, "Meh."

We've seen this at least a hundred times before. We're used to the hype and the hope, and so many of us still faithfully show up at every sporting event somehow thinking THIS will be the year that [select pro sports team of your choice] finally gets it right. And yes, we'll get to smell the finish line, if not see it, frequently enough that we foolishly believe that someday--someday!-- we'll get there and the glory will be wondrous. But we never do. We'll rebuild the team until it's just good enough to sell out a first-round playoff game (or series, depending on the sport). And maybe for one special year out of the five or six good ones we'll get from a particular group of players, we will get so close that we can actually see the glitter of the championship trophy reflected in our children's eyes.

But no, it won't happen. The loss that finally ends it will be so ragged and bitter that our suicide rates will skyrocket for a week. Eventually all the talent will be traded away and we'll go back into the "rebuilding" phase, which lasts anywhere from 8 to infinity years. We'll give and give and give, we'll build stadiums and fill them up, we'll buy insane amounts of beer at $10 a pop and jerseys and bobblehead dolls, and yell into the phone during the sports talk shows, and we'll pretend that the other sixty-five humiliating beatings that came before just didn't happen.

So no, this isn't even a light at the end of the tunnel. This isn't a harbinger of hope. Because this is farking CLEVELAND, goddamn it, and it just don't work that way around here. We're the farm team for all the other major sports franchises; we find talent and perfect it, and just as it's rounding into the top of its career, we trade it away for a second-round draft pick and a veteran with bad knees. Or worse, we'll get nothing because we're arrogant (or stupid) enough to assume that any professional wants to stay here and play rather than anxiously marking off the days on an advent calender until the moment he can tiptoe the fark out of town and get a ring somewhere else the moment he does it.

You can see the author trying to temper his remarks, saying this is really NOT the year, but he's already spinning with hope that it is, that the Miracle of Cleveland is really real, that the legend is true. In his heart he knows these improvements will actually mean fewer wins, not more, but the stupid part of his Cleveland heart that buys tickets and reads the sports page and wears the dog masks insists that we've always been a contender and just had a run of bad luck. Now it's OUR turn! it cries.

No, it isn't. It will NEVER be The Year in Cleveland.

We're Cleveland. We're going to suck despite the best efforts of rich men, and there's not a goddamned thing anyone can do about it.
 
2014-03-12 08:12:39 PM  

JerkStore: Speaking as a lifelong Clevelander, my response is, "Meh."

We've seen this at least a hundred times before. We're used to the hype and the hope, and so many of us still faithfully show up at every sporting event somehow thinking THIS will be the year that [select pro sports team of your choice] finally gets it right. And yes, we'll get to smell the finish line, if not see it, frequently enough that we foolishly believe that someday--someday!-- we'll get there and the glory will be wondrous. But we never do. We'll rebuild the team until it's just good enough to sell out a first-round playoff game (or series, depending on the sport). And maybe for one special year out of the five or six good ones we'll get from a particular group of players, we will get so close that we can actually see the glitter of the championship trophy reflected in our children's eyes.

But no, it won't happen. The loss that finally ends it will be so ragged and bitter that our suicide rates will skyrocket for a week. Eventually all the talent will be traded away and we'll go back into the "rebuilding" phase, which lasts anywhere from 8 to infinity years. We'll give and give and give, we'll build stadiums and fill them up, we'll buy insane amounts of beer at $10 a pop and jerseys and bobblehead dolls, and yell into the phone during the sports talk shows, and we'll pretend that the other sixty-five humiliating beatings that came before just didn't happen.

So no, this isn't even a light at the end of the tunnel. This isn't a harbinger of hope. Because this is farking CLEVELAND, goddamn it, and it just don't work that way around here. We're the farm team for all the other major sports franchises; we find talent and perfect it, and just as it's rounding into the top of its career, we trade it away for a second-round draft pick and a veteran with bad knees. Or worse, we'll get nothing because we're arrogant (or stupid) enough to assume that any professional wants to stay here and play rather than ...


That... That's beautiful, man.
 
2014-03-12 08:25:58 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: I'm more interested in what-in-the-Oakland are the Raiders doing? How do you have the most cash to spend and get worse? Damn.


I know! Right now the O-Line is looking (from LT to RT) Watson, Barnes, Wiz, Saffold, and The New Guy They Grossly Overpaid.  Not to mention their ONLY pass rusher walked out fairly sane money and they decided brought back McFadden (who NOBODY wants back).  The only way this works for me is if Reggie's thinking two ways: 1) Draft Robinson at #5 and then go Best Player Available in the draft or 2) Lay low because with this year's schedule and that Manning guy in Denver winning 9 games might be as easy as winning 16.  At which point either Mark fires everybody or just leaves McKenzie for one more year and Sparano is in charge in 2015.

/In related news I'm laying the wood on the Oakland under
//I don't care if it's a -600, at least I can use it to coverage the postage.
 
2014-03-12 08:33:01 PM  
Pats get Revis, 1/$12M
 
2014-03-12 08:37:54 PM  
I was there for Sean Kemp and Shaquille O'Neal and Orel Hershiser and Tim Couch. I had season goddamned tickets. Never again, Cleveland.

Never again. Fark you. Fark you with a rusty icepick.
 
2014-03-12 08:40:46 PM  
All of these new pieces and a few pretty good draft picks will merely raise them up to around the level of their division competition. That's the toughest part of being the Cleveland Browns right now, being in the brutal AFC North. You're not going to get lucky and see the Steelers and the Ravens both have another off year. And the Bengals might be playoff pretenders but they still give you a tough game in the regular season. But I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm not going to be surprised if the Browns win 8 or 9 games, and are looking at a playoff spot come the end of December.
 
2014-03-12 08:50:26 PM  

robsul82: Pats get Revis, 1/$12M


Darth Hoodie is a master troll.
 
2014-03-12 08:56:14 PM  

CipollinaFan: robsul82: Pats get Revis, 1/$12M

Darth Hoodie is a master troll.


Eh, not sure I'd call signing someone to a short term deal at their market value as the work of a master troll...just smart.

Now, if Revis stays healthy and has a great year, we'll see if the Pats are actually willing to keep him. Him and Sherm at different tables working out a new deal at the same time will be hilarious.
 
2014-03-12 08:59:13 PM  

Killer Cars: CipollinaFan: robsul82: Pats get Revis, 1/$12M

Darth Hoodie is a master troll.

Eh, not sure I'd call signing someone to a short term deal at their market value as the work of a master troll...just smart.

Now, if Revis stays healthy and has a great year, we'll see if the Pats are actually willing to keep him. Him and Sherm at different tables working out a new deal at the same time will be hilarious.


I think he just signed him to piss of Rex Ryan.

/Although it is a nice upgrade for them over Talib
 
2014-03-12 09:03:53 PM  

Shame Us: Cutting bad quarterbacks is always a good thing. I don't really question it. Jeff Garcia would be better today for them.


Hey, with the 49ers bringing in Blaine Gabbert, maybe Colt McCoy's available.
 
2014-03-12 09:05:43 PM  

CipollinaFan: Although it is a nice upgrade for them over Talib


Oh definitely. On reputation alone Revis will still shut down a whole side of the field for most of the game out of opposing QBs just admitted defeat and looking elsewhere. Even if he surprisingly sucks it will take half the season for teams to realize it.

Again though, Revis on just a one year deal just made next year's CB market really f*cking interesting. Has Haden been inked yet to an extension in Cleveland? Haden, Revis and Sherman ALL possibly at a negotiating table next offseason? Fark.
 
2014-03-12 09:21:15 PM  
Not keeping Campbell is probably a bad idea.  Keep the guy upright and you'll have an efficient offense.. maybe the defense will stop someone some time.
 
2014-03-12 09:25:37 PM  
There's just no getting around one simple fact:
i232.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-12 09:32:08 PM  

bhcompy: Not keeping Campbell is probably a bad idea.  Keep the guy upright and you'll have an efficient offense.. maybe the defense will stop someone some time.


dude bro,he's not good anymore.  If it wasn't for Josh Gordon, he wouldn't of had a 100 yd game passing-wise at all last year
 
2014-03-12 09:38:35 PM  
BTW, Revis may not have signed with the Pats (PFT link, so take it for what it's worth):

Link
 
2014-03-12 10:14:42 PM  
Raiders being Raiders lol
Saffold failed his physical

The Browns of the west
 
2014-03-12 10:31:17 PM  
If the main character of It's A Wonderful Life were a Cleveland sports fan, he would have still offed himself. JerkStore, that was one of the finest pieces to roll of the line at the Factory of Sadness .
 
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