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2014-03-12 05:41:27 PM
jumpyouf*ckers.jpg
 
2014-03-12 05:41:47 PM
Thanks a lot Obama
 
2014-03-12 05:43:16 PM
Sounds like someone needs a round of tax cuts stat.
 
2014-03-12 05:45:27 PM
Never before has so much been given to so few for doing so little actual work.
 
2014-03-12 05:46:00 PM
Any minute now the trickle will happen.
 
2014-03-12 05:49:50 PM

scotchcrotch: Thanks a lot Obama


Since his QE policies are largely responsible for the drive of capital to the stock market.. you actually can thank obama for this one.
 
2014-03-12 05:50:18 PM
 FTA: "with total bonus payments rising to $26.7bn"

26.7 Billion. Dollars. In Bonus Pay. (Which would mean they have regular pay to subsist on for the rest of the year.)

Can someone tell me again the budget for say, food stamps? WIC? Planned Parenthood? Education?
 
2014-03-12 05:50:51 PM

Theory Of Null: Any minute now the trickle will happen.


You are aware that we have been under Obamas executive for five years with a decreasing of median income.. right? At what point does it become his policies that are failing?
 
2014-03-12 05:51:52 PM
Remember when this would outrage us and we would all post a macro'd picture saying how upset we were?

Pepperidge Farm Remembers
 
2014-03-12 05:53:39 PM

MyRandomName: Theory Of Null: Any minute now the trickle will happen.

You are aware that we have been under Obamas executive for five years with a decreasing of median income.. right? At what point does it become his policies that are failing?


Oh, we're aware, on all points of the political spectrum, how this person promising Hope and Change is more of the same that we've been getting for quite some time now.
 
2014-03-12 05:58:25 PM

theorellior: Never before has so much been given to so few for doing so little actual work.


This is literally true. It's never happened before. At least nobility of old was expected to go off on a crusade or colonial war occasionally.
 
2014-03-12 05:58:34 PM

MyRandomName: scotchcrotch: Thanks a lot Obama

Since his QE policies are largely responsible for the drive of capital to the stock market.. you actually can thank obama for this one.


Obama doesn't run the Federal Reserve.
 
2014-03-12 05:59:47 PM

MyRandomName: Theory Of Null: Any minute now the trickle will happen.

You are aware that we have been under Obamas executive for five years with a decreasing of median income.. right? At what point does it become his policies that are failing?


Wages have been stagnant for almost 30 years.
 
2014-03-12 06:00:12 PM

tlars699: MyRandomName: Theory Of Null: Any minute now the trickle will happen.

You are aware that we have been under Obamas executive for five years with a decreasing of median income.. right? At what point does it become his policies that are failing?

Oh, we're aware, on all points of the political spectrum, how this person promising Hope and Change is more of the same that we've been getting for quite some time now.


Are you telling me Barry Soetero isn't the libbiest lib that ever liberaled?
 
2014-03-12 06:01:37 PM

MyRandomName: Theory Of Null: Any minute now the trickle will happen.

You are aware that we have been under Obamas executive for five years with a decreasing of median income.. right? At what point does it become his policies that are failing?

fusillade762: MyRandomName: scotchcrotch: Thanks a lot Obama

Since his QE policies are largely responsible for the drive of capital to the stock market.. you actually can thank obama for this one.

Obama doesn't run the Federal Reserve.


That's cute.  You keep thinking that.
 
2014-03-12 06:01:45 PM
Fark Whitey.  Seriously.
 
2014-03-12 06:02:49 PM

theorellior: Never before has so much been given to so few for doing so little actual work.


I bet you say that of all investment bankers...including those who work 20 hour days for years on end.
 
2014-03-12 06:04:12 PM

fusillade762: MyRandomName: Theory Of Null: Any minute now the trickle will happen.

You are aware that we have been under Obamas executive for five years with a decreasing of median income.. right? At what point does it become his policies that are failing?

Wages have been stagnant for almost 30 years.


But Obama's been alive for 52 years!

/seriously its been status quo for most of his term.  Congress won't pass shiat that would help anything.
 
2014-03-12 06:04:39 PM
I wonder what it's like to know that you would happily bone your mother up the sh*tter, live on CNN for a few more pieces of paper.
 
2014-03-12 06:07:16 PM
President Barack Obama is one more vetted, bought and paid for sock puppet and so are all the other presidents from Reagan on and so will the one to follow be until the joint is closed and there's nothing to vote for or against.  Presidents, and this is important, aren't allowed to twiddle the knobs or pull the levers.
 
2014-03-12 06:10:47 PM

theorellior: Never before has so much been given to so few for doing so little actual work.


Not really. I read "Collapse" recently. Essentially every major civilization collapse was associated with the workers devoting too much of the wealth to the already wealthy. How? It could be more stained glass windows by the Norse in Greenland or more statues by the islanders in Easter Island, but they all collapsed for the same reason. Here in the US the workers buy car elevators for wealthy folks like Romney.

Societies which collapse always give too much to too few for doing little actual work.
 
2014-03-12 06:18:22 PM
That wealth will start trickling down any second, won't it? Come on, Reaganites. This is your free market at work.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-12 06:21:31 PM

AngryDragon: MyRandomName: Theory Of Null: Any minute now the trickle will happen.

You are aware that we have been under Obamas executive for five years with a decreasing of median income.. right? At what point does it become his policies that are failing?
fusillade762: MyRandomName: scotchcrotch: Thanks a lot Obama

Since his QE policies are largely responsible for the drive of capital to the stock market.. you actually can thank obama for this one.

Obama doesn't run the Federal Reserve.

That's cute.  You keep thinking that.


How does that explain the actions Bernake? He was the one doing the easing and he was appointed by Bush.
 
2014-03-12 06:23:21 PM

hamdinger: That wealth will start trickling down any second, won't it? Come on, Reaganites. This is your free market at work.

[i.imgur.com image 505x331]


But, teh soshlists terr'ists comm'niss are destroying our freedoms!

Stay the course!

Nahn wun wun!1!!1!!

JOB CREATORS!
 
2014-03-12 06:32:11 PM
If nothing else, we've learned that if you try and base a society on the illusion of unmitigated freedom, you end up with a pack of hillbillies and bohunks who are suckers for authority postures, happy to vote themselves back into mud huts.  You study history so that when it shifts radically, you can see it coming.  See that?  That big bag of sh*t heading towards the fan?
 
2014-03-12 06:32:31 PM
Having worked inside and outside of the financial services industry - I can safely say they work significantly harder than most.

Hell, I used to write software for use by local governments and THOSE GUYS got paid for doing nothing.  Like literally.  We couldn't contact them on Fridays - because they'd all leave the office by noon and nobody would answer e-mails or pick up the phone.

I did some consulting too.  We were on-site with clients, paid hourly, couldn't slack off, lots of visibility and all....but that wasn't too bad.  Very few long days, very little pressure.  The only thing I ever worried about there was being late.  They hated people being late.  Be there at 8am and they were happy.

Worked for an insurance company.  Giant corporate type (Allstate)....they moved at a snails pace.  Lots of my co-workers did nothing all day.  They'd routinely have lay-offs to try and get rid of them, that's how bad it was.

Financial services industry was totally different for me.  When the market was open - everything had to be working.  Trading starts at 8am - tech-support people are in at 7am frantically trying to get everything up and running.  Missing the open, even by a minute, is a HUGE, HUGE, deal.  It's written up in daily, company wide e-mails.  Those same tech people will be there until 6pm (or later) every day ensuring that things will be ready for the next morning.  The traders have it much worse though.  Those poor bastards are sitting in front of 6 monitors, wearing headsets.  They're making calls to arrange OTC trades while watching everything they possibly can.  The company provides a lunch because it would be detrimental for them to get up and leave.  We had HR send around memos because when we had fire drills.....they'd stay at their station to avoid missing trades.  It's a nightmare.  And every day, week, month, quarter, and year - their performance is analyzed.  Every day, we run our PNL and every day, they are evaluated.  Too many bad days....and they are gone.  Their worth to the company is completely objective.  And, for most of them, their bonus is projected to be a significant % of their salary.

Would you rather make 90K and get a 5k bonus or 60k and a bonus from 10k to 100k?  At least, that's how it was where I worked.  Naturally, this is a big city - New York/Chicago/LA type expenses - so 95k doesn't make your rich.  It's easy to say, 'Oh wow - that guy got a 20k bonus!!!' but when his base pay is 60k - that is a total of 80 which is less than the 95k the other guy got.  Here, they even have a *minimum expected bonus* - if you can believe it.  So, as long as you don't do *really* bad, they are saying 'You'll get at least 10k, but we want you to get 30k.  30k is your target bonus'.  Again, 30k sounds like a lot, but it's the total package that matters.

So not only do you have to worry about your performance, every minute of every day you are at work, if you do poorly because the ENTIRE MARKET blows up or whatever - it'll mean you get to explain to your kids why they can't do X or Y or Z this summer.

Sure sure, if you go high enough - you can find a worthless CEO who is making a ton of money and doing, what appears to be, nothing.  But as a whole, it's a very tough industry.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-03-12 06:34:12 PM
Meaning they didn't get a big enough bonus in 2012?

/DNRTFA
 
2014-03-12 06:37:23 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Having worked inside and outside of the financial services industry - I can safely say they work significantly harder than most.


The guys at the bottom do, providing they don't have connections. In a way it's remarkable at how much effort is involved in being a paper pusher, considering that no actual product or service is being provided to society. Hell, it's pretty much there to society's detriment.
 
2014-03-12 06:39:25 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Sure sure, if you go high enough - you can find a worthless CEO who is making a ton of money and doing, what appears to be, nothing.  But as a whole, it's a very tough industry.


That, apparently, only benefits itself at the expense of the people who actually create wealth and don't just draw up gymnastic contracts to move it around.
 
2014-03-12 06:39:31 PM

MFAWG: tlars699: MyRandomName: Theory Of Null: Any minute now the trickle will happen.

You are aware that we have been under Obamas executive for five years with a decreasing of median income.. right? At what point does it become his policies that are failing?

Oh, we're aware, on all points of the political spectrum, how this person promising Hope and Change is more of the same that we've been getting for quite some time now.

Are you telling me Barry Soetero isn't the libbiest lib that ever liberaled?


o_O Seriously?
He's a farking hawk, for crying out loud.

He steamrolled over the 4th amendment just so he could keep the Patriot Act going strong in its new cape, and made it legal for his executive order to count as a death sentence for any citizen suspected of terrorism.

He bailed out the BANKS! Not the people, not declaring a jubilee for everyone with any debt, but bailed out the BANKS, whose trashy decision making cost the economy and the people BILLIONS if not TRILLIONS of dollars.

He hasn't prosecuted GW Bush or Cheney for their WAR CRIMES
He hasn't shut down Guantanamo

Is there anything else I'm missing?

At best, he is a stoolie whose family is being held hostage via threat by the "real people with power".
At worst, he is one of the people with power.
 
2014-03-12 06:40:08 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Having worked inside and outside of the financial services industry - I can safely say they work significantly harder than most.

Hell, I used to write software for use by local governments and THOSE GUYS got paid for doing nothing.  Like literally.  We couldn't contact them on Fridays - because they'd all leave the office by noon and nobody would answer e-mails or pick up the phone.

I did some consulting too.  We were on-site with clients, paid hourly, couldn't slack off, lots of visibility and all....but that wasn't too bad.  Very few long days, very little pressure.  The only thing I ever worried about there was being late.  They hated people being late.  Be there at 8am and they were happy.

Worked for an insurance company.  Giant corporate type (Allstate)....they moved at a snails pace.  Lots of my co-workers did nothing all day.  They'd routinely have lay-offs to try and get rid of them, that's how bad it was.

Financial services industry was totally different for me.  When the market was open - everything had to be working.  Trading starts at 8am - tech-support people are in at 7am frantically trying to get everything up and running.  Missing the open, even by a minute, is a HUGE, HUGE, deal.  It's written up in daily, company wide e-mails.  Those same tech people will be there until 6pm (or later) every day ensuring that things will be ready for the next morning.  The traders have it much worse though.  Those poor bastards are sitting in front of 6 monitors, wearing headsets.  They're making calls to arrange OTC trades while watching everything they possibly can.  The company provides a lunch because it would be detrimental for them to get up and leave.  We had HR send around memos because when we had fire drills.....they'd stay at their station to avoid missing trades.  It's a nightmare.  And every day, week, month, quarter, and year - their performance is analyzed.  Every day, we run our PNL and every day, they are evaluated.  Too many bad days....and the ...


They may be busting their asses, but they aren't creating any value. There's a huge difference with that... they're basically working very hard at skimming off the top of society, dipping as deep as they can by taking advantage of loopholes, tax laws, buying legislators, etc. None of which actually contributes to the bottom line of this country. There is a need for management and finance, but not the way we have it now. Right now, they're just soaking the rest of us very expensively.
 
2014-03-12 06:41:48 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: theorellior: Never before has so much been given to so few for doing so little actual work.

I bet you say that of all investment bankers...including those who work 20 hour days for years on end.


I'm sorry and all, but what do you say to those at the bottom who work physical/laborious jobs for just as long as you do for years on end? Tough cookies? Bootstraps?

/*innocent face*
 
2014-03-12 06:43:07 PM

utharda: Fark Whitey.  Seriously.


i think you meant this for the Annapolis thread, ftfy...
 
2014-03-12 06:44:44 PM

bunner: I wonder what it's like to know that you would happily bone your mother up the sh*tter, live on CNN for a few more pieces of paper.


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2014-03-12 06:44:45 PM
There's only one way to overthrow these SOBs and the closely knit pack of wolves they serve and fatten.  Stop giving them money.  Stop voting for them.  This is a vote.

www.cashflowzone.com

Vote smarter.
 
2014-03-12 06:45:27 PM

bunner: If nothing else, we've learned that if you try and base a society on the illusion of unmitigated freedom, you end up with a pack of hillbillies and bohunks who are suckers for authority postures, happy to vote themselves back into mud huts.  You study history so that when it shifts radically, you can see it coming.  See that?  That big bag of sh*t heading towards the fan?


It started by indebting all of the hillbillies' children through education, and then telling them "tough titty, you chose to go to school", right? The new bourgeois?
 
2014-03-12 06:45:41 PM

noitsnot: bunner: I wonder what it's like to know that you would happily bone your mother up the sh*tter, live on CNN for a few more pieces of paper.

Dear Sir or Madam -

Congratulations!  Your exceptional remark has resulted in your online persona being "Favorited".  Please expect your commemorative certificate - suitable for framing - to arrive via post in due time.

Sincerely,

 - A Smirking Reader


Aw, man.   :  )
 
2014-03-12 06:49:04 PM

tlars699: bunner: If nothing else, we've learned that if you try and base a society on the illusion of unmitigated freedom, you end up with a pack of hillbillies and bohunks who are suckers for authority postures, happy to vote themselves back into mud huts.  You study history so that when it shifts radically, you can see it coming.  See that?  That big bag of sh*t heading towards the fan?

It started by indebting all of the hillbillies' children through education, and then telling them "tough titty, you chose to go to school", right? The new bourgeois?


Actually, it started with a very long range business plan at the house of Rothschild.  You don't suppose those pilgrims held bake sales to pay for ships, supplies, water, food, seeds, tools and nails, do you?  They finally put a bow on it in 1913.  And it took a lot of work.  After that, it was just make sure we're at war someplace and keep the bank note confetti cannon loaded.  Welcome to the fire sale.
 
2014-03-12 06:51:08 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Having worked inside and outside of the financial services industry - I can safely say they work significantly harder than most.

Hell, I used to write software for use by local governments and THOSE GUYS got paid for doing nothing.  Like literally.  We couldn't contact them on Fridays - because they'd all leave the office by noon and nobody would answer e-mails or pick up the phone.

I did some consulting too.  We were on-site with clients, paid hourly, couldn't slack off, lots of visibility and all....but that wasn't too bad.  Very few long days, very little pressure.  The only thing I ever worried about there was being late.  They hated people being late.  Be there at 8am and they were happy.

Worked for an insurance company.  Giant corporate type (Allstate)....they moved at a snails pace.  Lots of my co-workers did nothing all day.  They'd routinely have lay-offs to try and get rid of them, that's how bad it was.

Financial services industry was totally different for me.  When the market was open - everything had to be working.  Trading starts at 8am - tech-support people are in at 7am frantically trying to get everything up and running.  Missing the open, even by a minute, is a HUGE, HUGE, deal.  It's written up in daily, company wide e-mails.  Those same tech people will be there until 6pm (or later) every day ensuring that things will be ready for the next morning.  The traders have it much worse though.  Those poor bastards are sitting in front of 6 monitors, wearing headsets.  They're making calls to arrange OTC trades while watching everything they possibly can.  The company provides a lunch because it would be detrimental for them to get up and leave.  We had HR send around memos because when we had fire drills.....they'd stay at their station to avoid missing trades.  It's a nightmare.  And every day, week, month, quarter, and year - their performance is analyzed.  Every day, we run our PNL and every day, they are evaluated.  Too many bad days....and the ...


Meanwhile, there are folks working physical, laborious 20 hour days in NYC who are earning less than 40K a year.
Just thought some perspective would be nice.
 
2014-03-12 06:53:29 PM

bunner: There's only one way to overthrow these SOBs and the closely knit pack of wolves they serve and fatten.  Stop giving them money.  Stop voting for them.  This is a vote.

[www.cashflowzone.com image 388x169]

Vote smarter.


good call. ill put my money to work against those people getting 27 billion in bonuses. that should be fair fi...

oh.

crap.
 
2014-03-12 06:53:51 PM

bunner: tlars699: bunner: If nothing else, we've learned that if you try and base a society on the illusion of unmitigated freedom, you end up with a pack of hillbillies and bohunks who are suckers for authority postures, happy to vote themselves back into mud huts.  You study history so that when it shifts radically, you can see it coming.  See that?  That big bag of sh*t heading towards the fan?

It started by indebting all of the hillbillies' children through education, and then telling them "tough titty, you chose to go to school", right? The new bourgeois?

Actually, it started with a very long range business plan at the house of Rothschild.  You don't suppose those pilgrims held bake sales to pay for ships, supplies, water, food, seeds, tools and nails, do you?  They finally put a bow on it in 1913.  And it took a lot of work.  After that, it was just make sure we're at war someplace and keep the bank note confetti cannon loaded.  Welcome to the fire sale.


Oh, you're speaking of the wealthy. See, I thought the bag of shiat heading towards the fan after studying history meant something la Revolucion, or some such.
 
2014-03-12 06:55:39 PM

tlars699: bunner: tlars699: bunner: If nothing else, we've learned that if you try and base a society on the illusion of unmitigated freedom, you end up with a pack of hillbillies and bohunks who are suckers for authority postures, happy to vote themselves back into mud huts.  You study history so that when it shifts radically, you can see it coming.  See that?  That big bag of sh*t heading towards the fan?

It started by indebting all of the hillbillies' children through education, and then telling them "tough titty, you chose to go to school", right? The new bourgeois?

Actually, it started with a very long range business plan at the house of Rothschild.  You don't suppose those pilgrims held bake sales to pay for ships, supplies, water, food, seeds, tools and nails, do you?  They finally put a bow on it in 1913.  And it took a lot of work.  After that, it was just make sure we're at war someplace and keep the bank note confetti cannon loaded.  Welcome to the fire sale.

Oh, you're speaking of the wealthy. See, I thought the bag of shiat heading towards the fan after studying history meant something la Revolucion, or some such.


That's usually the second bag to hit the fan after the results of the first bag of hopelessly ill distributed wealth.
 
2014-03-12 06:56:29 PM
Average??  I call BS.

Back in 2002-2004 I was the CTO at an options trading firm. I had a team of twelve people - engineers and ops folks. We supported the SF, Chicago, NY and London offices, developed our custom trading app and dealt with rainmaker meltdowns. Tech staff hours were from 8:00 am Eastern to 6:00 pm Pacific. I was in the air more than I was on the ground.

My team exceeded all expectations -- rolled out new low-latency network infrastructure, delivered new trading app, etc, etc.

Bonuses for the traders were in the six-figure range.

My bonus for 2003 was $5000.

Most of my staff got between $1200 and eff-all.

In 2004, my entire department was outsourced  - we all got canned on Friday at the end of the trading day. No severance.

The following Monday, one of the partners called me at 5:30 am, The outsource company shut down all the firm's servers and demanded 10x the original cost. Evidently I was "ethically obliged" to come in and get things working again. I laughed, hung up, and went back to bed.

/CSB
 
2014-03-12 07:00:26 PM

Delay: theorellior: Never before has so much been given to so few for doing so little actual work.

Not really. I read "Collapse" recently. Essentially every major civilization collapse was associated with the workers devoting too much of the wealth to the already wealthy. How? It could be more stained glass windows by the Norse in Greenland or more statues by the islanders in Easter Island, but they all collapsed for the same reason. Here in the US the workers buy car elevators for wealthy folks like Romney.

Societies which collapse always give too much to too few for doing little actual work.


So what is the tipping point?
 
2014-03-12 07:01:07 PM
Vote early, vote often, it's working.
 
2014-03-12 07:02:23 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Sure sure, if you go high enough - you can find a worthless CEO who is making a ton of money and doing, what appears to be, nothing. But as a whole, it's a very tough industry.


From what I see here in SF, it's tough for them to learn to park a stick shift Lamborghini properly.
 
2014-03-12 07:06:56 PM

MechTard: Delay: theorellior: Never before has so much been given to so few for doing so little actual work.

Not really. I read "Collapse" recently. Essentially every major civilization collapse was associated with the workers devoting too much of the wealth to the already wealthy. How? It could be more stained glass windows by the Norse in Greenland or more statues by the islanders in Easter Island, but they all collapsed for the same reason. Here in the US the workers buy car elevators for wealthy folks like Romney.

Societies which collapse always give too much to too few for doing little actual work.

So what is the tipping point?


By and large, rampant crime and hunger.
 
2014-03-12 07:08:29 PM

que.guero: Average??  I call BS.

Back in 2002-2004 I was the CTO at an options trading firm. I had a team of twelve people - engineers and ops folks. We supported the SF, Chicago, NY and London offices, developed our custom trading app and dealt with rainmaker meltdowns. Tech staff hours were from 8:00 am Eastern to 6:00 pm Pacific. I was in the air more than I was on the ground.

My team exceeded all expectations -- rolled out new low-latency network infrastructure, delivered new trading app, etc, etc.

Bonuses for the traders were in the six-figure range.

My bonus for 2003 was $5000.

Most of my staff got between $1200 and eff-all.

In 2004, my entire department was outsourced  - we all got canned on Friday at the end of the trading day. No severance.

The following Monday, one of the partners called me at 5:30 am, The outsource company shut down all the firm's servers and demanded 10x the original cost. Evidently I was "ethically obliged" to come in and get things working again. I laughed, hung up, and went back to bed.

/CSB


You are a god-damned hero. Let them live with the consequences of their actions >:D
 
2014-03-12 07:11:03 PM

bunner: MechTard: Delay: theorellior: Never before has so much been given to so few for doing so little actual work.

Not really. I read "Collapse" recently. Essentially every major civilization collapse was associated with the workers devoting too much of the wealth to the already wealthy. How? It could be more stained glass windows by the Norse in Greenland or more statues by the islanders in Easter Island, but they all collapsed for the same reason. Here in the US the workers buy car elevators for wealthy folks like Romney.

Societies which collapse always give too much to too few for doing little actual work.

So what is the tipping point?

By and large, rampant crime and hunger.


Which won't happen until all of the social services for the poor are de-funded. Aaaaaand guess what they're trying to do now in Washington DC. :)
 
2014-03-12 07:16:44 PM
And for all of the " wealth redistribooshin comm'nism!" wankers harrumphing ignorantly, I'm gonna drop a bomb here.  Get a pad and paper.  Economies - - ARE - - wealth redistribution.  Guess in which direction these cocksuckers are distributing the whole thing.
 
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