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(International Business Times)   That does it, I'm de-friending the NSA   (ibtimes.co.uk) divider line 81
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2014-03-12 03:20:19 PM  
don't like what some low-level government contractor is told to do?
stop electing the people who tell them to do it.

seems so simple...
 
2014-03-12 03:21:36 PM  

uber humper: I'm not a TOR user, but I'm thinking accessing TOR at the end of a VPN tunnel would a make it that much more difficult. Not impossible, but not worth the work


or perhaps that's a "call for fire".
 
2014-03-12 03:21:57 PM  

natas6.0: don't like what some low-level government contractor is told to do?
stop electing the people who tell them to do it.

seems so simple...


How can we tell? Should be elect the guy or gal who speaks up against it? That didn't work last time.
 
2014-03-12 03:27:13 PM  

fireclown: uber humper: I'm not a TOR user, but I'm thinking accessing TOR at the end of a VPN tunnel would a make it that much more difficult. Not impossible, but not worth the work

or perhaps that's a "call for fire".


Probably so. And, I doubt the terrorists are going to go that route, anyways.  But it will still be pursued with much gusto by the NSA. et al

On a side note, wonder what Congress is gonna do to keep their communications from being taped by the CIA?
 
2014-03-12 03:28:33 PM  

uber humper: Vlad_the_Inaner: uber humper: and this, too http://www.binisoft.org/ (granular control over windows firewall

And now all we need is an up to date list of the IP addresses of all FOXACID servers.

I set it so it pings me everytime a program tries to call home (or elsewhere). Click on the IP address in the window and it does it whois seach for you. Don't allow unless you are comfortable.  It really is a cool program.  If you use it make sure to "donate" the $10, it's worth it for the popups.

I'm not a TOR user, but I'm thinking accessing TOR at the end of a VPN tunnel would a make it that much more difficult. Not impossible, but not worth the work


I'm think of the way that the press reported (from Snowden disclosures) how the NSA pwned a phone company in Europe (if I recall correctly), by intercepting HTTP requests to LinkedIn from that company.  effectively did a man-in-the-middle and served up malware as well as letting you do your usual LinkedIn stuff.  It wouldn't have happened without Javascript.

/They pwn TOR users a different way, by exploiting TOR/browser toolkits to make sidechannel leaks.
 
2014-03-12 03:33:55 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: uber humper: Vlad_the_Inaner: uber humper: and this, too http://www.binisoft.org/ (granular control over windows firewall

And now all we need is an up to date list of the IP addresses of all FOXACID servers.

I set it so it pings me everytime a program tries to call home (or elsewhere). Click on the IP address in the window and it does it whois seach for you. Don't allow unless you are comfortable.  It really is a cool program.  If you use it make sure to "donate" the $10, it's worth it for the popups.

I'm not a TOR user, but I'm thinking accessing TOR at the end of a VPN tunnel would a make it that much more difficult. Not impossible, but not worth the work

I'm think of the way that the press reported (from Snowden disclosures) how the NSA pwned a phone company in Europe (if I recall correctly), by intercepting HTTP requests to LinkedIn from that company.  effectively did a man-in-the-middle and served up malware as well as letting you do your usual LinkedIn stuff.  It wouldn't have happened without Javascript.

/They pwn TOR users a different way, by exploiting TOR/browser toolkits to make sidechannel leaks.


That's beyond me. I'd need to read up on it. I was thinking they controlled quite a few, unwitting,  TOR nodes, too.
 
2014-03-12 03:35:19 PM  
tinyarena:

And here's another quote that may apply soon enough:

The party blundered helplessly across the sky like a man leaning
against an unexpectedly open door. It span and wobbled on its
hover jets. It tried to right itself and wronged itself instead.
It staggered back across the sky again.

For a while these staggerings continued, but clearly they could
not continue for long. The party was now a mortally wounded
party. All the fun had gone out of it, as the occasional broken-
backed pirouette could not disguise.

The longer, at this point, that it avoided the ground, the
heavier was going to be the crash when finally it hit it.


So, it was a little like two ducks, one of which is trying to make a third duck inside the second duck, whilst the second duck is trying very hard to explain that it doesn't feel ready for a third duck right now, is uncertain that it would want any putative third duck anyway, and certainly not whilst it, the second duck, was busy flying?

\\ good times
\ surprised how much I remembered off-hand
 
2014-03-12 03:37:02 PM  

CleanAndPure: SpacePirate: Bad, but unsurprising for anyone that's been following the leaks. 

Take a look at this one if you missed it, I think it's by far the most telling:
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140224/17054826340/new-snowden-do c- reveals-how-gchqnsa-use-internet-to-manipulate-deceive-destroy-reputat ions.shtml 

I need to delete my fb before they photoshop me farking a donkey or something similarly hilarious.
/retightens tinfoil

Not just America... all sorts of nations exploiting social media.


If you ever post comments on a news article discrediting China's claims to some of their disputed territories such as Tibet or East Turkestan you will get a pro China reply.

If you look at posters history (if you can) you would see that that poster only responds to comments about China and always in China's favour... but that poster will claim to be American or British.

Try it... next time you see a major news network post a story about China go fishing. Post a comment about how Tibet should be free... look what fish you catch... and if you can, check their post history.

/ I'm beginning to suspect Russia is doing this too.


They do, from what I've heard around the rumor mill. That's a fair point in their corner, but it's still dishonest manipulation of the public's discourse. I think it's cute how many still believe that they wouldn't do this.
 
2014-03-12 04:04:03 PM  
Any criticism of the NSA is racist because Obama is in charge of it, you racists.
 
2014-03-12 04:27:18 PM  

Oldiron_79: If Im ever elected POTUS(not likely as Im not into politics) Id have my Attorney General have every member of the agency arrested and prosecuted for thier crimes.

Something tells me I should avoid grassy if this ever happens.


s7.postimg.org
 
2014-03-12 04:39:37 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: DROxINxTHExWIND: Ok, internet. I'm sitting down now, so you answer me honestly...

...the NSA has video of me masturbating, don't they? *sigh*


/I don't normally make those noises
//my face doesn't normally look like that

Yes they do.
And these are quite popular right now.
[a.tgcdn.net image 300x300]


s9.postimg.org
 
2014-03-12 04:46:47 PM  
Figuring out Facebook is, and conceived from the beginning as a covet intel financed data mine took me all of about .. I dunno .. three pico-seconds when it debuted. And I said to myself, self, anybody who volunteers and signs up for this shiat is not someone to trust with anymore than a spork.

But then most folks don't know where the financing came from for Choicepoint, and why.
 
2014-03-12 04:57:00 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Figuring out Facebook is, and conceived from the beginning as a covet intel financed data mine took me all of about .. I dunno .. three pico-seconds when it debuted. And I said to myself, self, anybody who volunteers and signs up for this shiat is not someone to trust with anymore than a spork.

But then most folks don't know where the financing came from for Choicepoint, and why.



I love it when people who think they have information choose to hold on to it so that they can mock those who don't know, rather than trying to inform others. I don't trust those types, even with a spork, because they'll swear that having the spork in their possession makes them superior in some way.
 
2014-03-12 05:07:55 PM  

uber humper: That's beyond me. I'd need to read up on it. I was thinking they controlled quite a few, unwitting, TOR nodes, too.


Somebody in the US government owns the initial core of TOR.  Navy or DARPA, I forget.  I'm sure other nodes have joined in as volunteers.  But basically its open so other people can act as chaff and decoys to obfuscate the traffic the real owners use it for.

Gives you a warm feeling to know the pedobears  and drug pushers are helping out National Security, huh!
 
2014-03-12 05:15:04 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: uber humper: That's beyond me. I'd need to read up on it. I was thinking they controlled quite a few, unwitting, TOR nodes, too.

Somebody in the US government owns the initial core of TOR.  Navy or DARPA, I forget.  I'm sure other nodes have joined in as volunteers.  But basically its open so other people can act as chaff and decoys to obfuscate the traffic the real owners use it for.

Gives you a warm feeling to know the pedobears  and drug pushers are helping out National Security, huh!


Pretty soon you can add congress to that list of undesireables using TOR. They'll want to use something, even ol' Feinstein got her feathers ruffled over it
 
2014-03-12 05:39:31 PM  

uber humper: Pretty soon you can add congress to that list of undesireables using TOR. They'll want to use something, even ol' Feinstein got her feathers ruffled over it


I guess they won't get caught Conflict Of Interest editing their own Wikipedia articles as much then.

Beyond that, I don't know how much TOR would add to their security, over say, some more conventional VPN.

/I bet TOR nodes get wiki blacklisted pretty often anyway
 
2014-03-12 05:58:22 PM  
Snowden = hero.
 
2014-03-12 06:08:01 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: uber humper: Pretty soon you can add congress to that list of undesireables using TOR. They'll want to use something, even ol' Feinstein got her feathers ruffled over it

I guess they won't get caught Conflict Of Interest editing their own Wikipedia articles as much then.

Beyond that, I don't know how much TOR would add to their security, over say, some more conventional VPN.

/I bet TOR nodes get wiki blacklisted pretty often anyway


TOR is slow, slow.  If you want to try it https://tails.boum.org/  requires no config other than installing it to a USB. It's a preconfigured Linux distro.


I use VPN.   It's fast, fast.  Between $5-$10 per month, lots of cities to chose from as exit point. I use VPN to protect myself from the usual bad guys (along with the creeps at my ISP and google). There is no reason not to, it's cheap and easy.


I'm not worried about the NSA spying on me, but I am very concerned about the NSA spying on influential people.  It just won't end well.  It's just got to be too large. The NSA is more of a liability than a security asset.
 
2014-03-12 07:04:30 PM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: But Snowden is a cowardly attention whore hipster who farks strippers who should turn himself in to the nearest kangaroo court so he can be ass raped by prison guards for the rest of his life! So none of this matters!

(Anybody still towing this line? Because there were plenty farktards spewing this crap a couple months ago)


The phrase is "toe the line" as in to put the toes on one's foot to a line presumably abreast other persons who are also conforming or aligning as in a military inspection. A less common alternative is to approach a boundary that must not be crossed as close as possible, figuratively to be so close to overstepping the restriction as to have one's toes touching the line.

Under no circumstances is the mangled and misused phrase "tow the line" to be used to as in to haul, further, or drag a rope (line) and thus some object to metaphorically mean to continue an intellectual concept by one's actions.
 
2014-03-12 07:09:23 PM  
AMENDMENT IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Fark you, DIRNSA. Fark you sideways with a rusty broken-engined chainsaw while you're neck deep in a lemon-salt bath, you oath-breaking piece of Fritz.
I hope our politicians grow balls, and that the next Attorney General sticks you and your predecessors, managing flunkies, malpracticing attorneys, and enablers in Leavenworth turning boulders into sand from BMCT to EECT for the rest of your useless lives with the Pretender's nutritionally-balanced diet for every farking meal. And I hope they are looooong lives, too.
 
2014-03-12 07:11:25 PM  
Ooooo, bad move subby.....
 
2014-03-12 07:12:36 PM  

Frederf: Serious Post on Serious Thread: But Snowden is a cowardly attention whore hipster who farks strippers who should turn himself in to the nearest kangaroo court so he can be ass raped by prison guards for the rest of his life! So none of this matters!

(Anybody still towing this line? Because there were plenty farktards spewing this crap a couple months ago)

The phrase is "toe the line" as in to put the toes on one's foot to a line presumably abreast other persons who are also conforming or aligning as in a military inspection. A less common alternative is to approach a boundary that must not be crossed as close as possible, figuratively to be so close to overstepping the restriction as to have one's toes touching the line.

Under no circumstances is the mangled and misused phrase "tow the line" to be used to as in to haul, further, or drag a rope (line) and thus some object to metaphorically mean to continue an intellectual concept by one's actions.


Well, he's trolling, like dragging a baited line behind his boat to see if anything bites.
 
2014-03-12 07:25:15 PM  

Frederf: Serious Post on Serious Thread: But Snowden is a cowardly attention whore hipster who farks strippers who should turn himself in to the nearest kangaroo court so he can be ass raped by prison guards for the rest of his life! So none of this matters!

(Anybody still towing this line? Because there were plenty farktards spewing this crap a couple months ago)

The phrase is "toe the line" as in to put the toes on one's foot to a line presumably abreast other persons who are also conforming or aligning as in a military inspection. A less common alternative is to approach a boundary that must not be crossed as close as possible, figuratively to be so close to overstepping the restriction as to have one's toes touching the line.

Under no circumstances is the mangled and misused phrase "tow the line" to be used to as in to haul, further, or drag a rope (line) and thus some object to metaphorically mean to continue an intellectual concept by one's actions.


Irregaurdless of you're idears on good talking, y'all ain't no what use sez bein write an awl. Sew use our knot az writes az use won't two bee.
 
2014-03-12 07:26:24 PM  

uber humper: Frederf: Serious Post on Serious Thread: But Snowden is a cowardly attention whore hipster who farks strippers who should turn himself in to the nearest kangaroo court so he can be ass raped by prison guards for the rest of his life! So none of this matters!

(Anybody still towing this line? Because there were plenty farktards spewing this crap a couple months ago)

The phrase is "toe the line" as in to put the toes on one's foot to a line presumably abreast other persons who are also conforming or aligning as in a military inspection. A less common alternative is to approach a boundary that must not be crossed as close as possible, figuratively to be so close to overstepping the restriction as to have one's toes touching the line.

Under no circumstances is the mangled and misused phrase "tow the line" to be used to as in to haul, further, or drag a rope (line) and thus some object to metaphorically mean to continue an intellectual concept by one's actions.

Well, he's trolling, like dragging a baited line behind his boat to see if anything bites.


Use byted.
 
2014-03-12 07:30:39 PM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: uber humper: Frederf: Serious Post on Serious Thread: But Snowden is a cowardly attention whore hipster who farks strippers who should turn himself in to the nearest kangaroo court so he can be ass raped by prison guards for the rest of his life! So none of this matters!

(Anybody still towing this line? Because there were plenty farktards spewing this crap a couple months ago)

The phrase is "toe the line" as in to put the toes on one's foot to a line presumably abreast other persons who are also conforming or aligning as in a military inspection. A less common alternative is to approach a boundary that must not be crossed as close as possible, figuratively to be so close to overstepping the restriction as to have one's toes touching the line.

Under no circumstances is the mangled and misused phrase "tow the line" to be used to as in to haul, further, or drag a rope (line) and thus some object to metaphorically mean to continue an intellectual concept by one's actions.

Well, he's trolling, like dragging a baited line behind his boat to see if anything bites.

Use byted.


But I 8 bits
 
2014-03-12 07:51:56 PM  

uber humper: Serious Post on Serious Thread: uber humper: Frederf: Serious Post on Serious Thread: But Snowden is a cowardly attention whore hipster who farks strippers who should turn himself in to the nearest kangaroo court so he can be ass raped by prison guards for the rest of his life! So none of this matters!

(Anybody still towing this line? Because there were plenty farktards spewing this crap a couple months ago)

The phrase is "toe the line" as in to put the toes on one's foot to a line presumably abreast other persons who are also conforming or aligning as in a military inspection. A less common alternative is to approach a boundary that must not be crossed as close as possible, figuratively to be so close to overstepping the restriction as to have one's toes touching the line.

Under no circumstances is the mangled and misused phrase "tow the line" to be used to as in to haul, further, or drag a rope (line) and thus some object to metaphorically mean to continue an intellectual concept by one's actions.

Well, he's trolling, like dragging a baited line behind his boat to see if anything bites.

Use byted.

But I 8 bits


Hookah lyme end stinker
 
2014-03-12 08:37:21 PM  
uber humper, Serious Post on Serious Thread ignored.
 
2014-03-12 09:26:27 PM  

Frederf: uber humper, Serious Post on Serious Thread ignored.


Oh noes. Now I has teh sadz.

Also I call Frederf's ignore and raise him a farkied dark grey 'Fartbreath'
 
gja
2014-03-12 09:54:01 PM  
Meh. Let them try. I will just sit and laugh at their impotent attempts to infest anything I own.
OSX, browser runs in a VM, browser is TOR, with adblock, noscript, and the whole shebang get thrown away each time and a new one cloned from the master image which is never used.

Dear NSA, blow me biatches.
 
2014-03-12 10:34:35 PM  

Phony_Soldier: All this effort to spy on Americans and we can't find the location of a downed 777.

/So sad


Just like the cops neved bothered to do any actual policework when someone broke into the office at my uncle's carlot. They lost the video, and just went back to bagging people driving what they deem is "too fast" on roads that haven't had a speed study done in 20 years when they've been widened, daylighted, and realigned.

Doing hard stuff is hard. Doing easy and fun stuff is easy. Besides, there might be dangerous people involved in that downed airliner. An underaged girl *might* have a father with a shotgun, but he'll most likely never find out.
 
2014-03-13 02:26:06 AM  
Thiis story isn't a surprise right?

Security services are a necessary evil. They put democracy at risk but there is oversight.

While Al Qaida plans another bombing, you can sleep soundly knowing that america's securitiy services and thousands of contractors will safeguard you and your data.

Some unrelated and ( I hope) interesting facts.

There is scripting in pdf's
3 - 50 errors per 1000 lines of code.
Consumer/ISP routers have overlooked weaknesses.
DNS is insecure, but fixing it will be difficult.
There are weaknesses in public key exchange, eliptic curve cryptography, PRNG.
 
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