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(Boston.com)   Mysterious disappearance of Malaysian airline gets slightly less mysterious as worker on an oil rig platform of the coast of Vietnam sends an e-mail to his bosses saying he saw a flaming jetliner plunge into the sea   (boston.com) divider line 206
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2014-03-12 03:52:55 PM

Datanerd: exvaxman: According to an "Air Safety Official" on NPR there was a service note put out that there were cracks found in another 777 around the antenna array. The airline in question had the aircraft serviced recently, but also said (somewhere) that more service was required. Her supposition was that the cracks caused a decompression failure, taking off the antennas. She followed up stating that the aircraft automatically goes into a survival mode, automatically shutting down every system but flight controls. Seems odd to me to turn off transponders and radio equipment, but I didn't have a hand in the "survival mode".

I take back my earlier comment - I can't find the original source.  I read somewhere that it didn't have the particular antenna and it was shown with pictures that there wasn't a hump there, but now I can't find it and I don't trust myself completely on this.


And now I found the source, an air safety pro on another website - "...The warning applies to 777s equipped with Inmarsat High Gain Antenna (and of a certain type of HGA antenna, I think the ones made by CMC or IMS). 9M-MRO DOES NOT have an Inmarsat HGA installed..."
 
2014-03-12 03:53:54 PM
"So, any blue Chevy commercial airliner pulling a small church going down in flames, I figure that'd be the one."

s.mcstatic.com
 
2014-03-12 03:53:58 PM
I'm waiting to see how  the Taiwanese animators spin their next creation on YouTube.
 
2014-03-12 04:02:17 PM
My pet theory

1 - something happened that disabled communications
2 - plane either glided into the water relatively intact or fell apart, raining debris  - either way it sunk
3 - like most mysteries, we will collectively chew on this until it is (and it will be) found - some of us will chew on it like tinfoil forever, refusing to believe anything but alien/government f**kery
4 - some time, generally within two years, will pass
5 - the evidence will show an unusual conflux of events that will lead authorities to label it "pilot error"

I truly hope whatever it was was mercifully brief and that FSM took these people up in a great and comforting slotted spoon to a place where the TSA is verbotin and everyone has access to flyer's clubs
 
2014-03-12 04:06:06 PM

Deep Contact: stonicus: Deep Contact: I'm the first to report a meteor hit the plane in the perfect spot to avoid explosion but take it down.

Actually, CNN earlier today had the "hit by meteor" theory...

Where do you think they got it from?


I mentioned it on here a few days ago. That and the possibility of a collision with a military aircraft.
 
2014-03-12 04:11:46 PM

supershaft: I've finally settled on my conspiracy theory;
With all the disputed island chains in the general area(the spratly's are a little far but there are others that are a bit closer)Imma gonna say one of the disputees; China, Japan, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Myanmar, India made an oopsie. All those countries are out there waving there navy dicks at each other saying "this is our hunk of rock in the middle of a natural gas field", with that many playas it's only a matter of time before someone gets jittery. So you have an airliner with a faulty/malfunctioning/disabled transponder that identifies it as a commercial jet flying into the region as an unidentified aircraft. Someone in it's flight path could of got nervous and launched  a missile. If the transponder was malfunctioning and it happened right at the time of transferring atc from malaysia to ho chi minh city it's conceivable that it just got unaccounted for. The unknown countries ship that shot it down is obviously first on the scene, sees the boo boo and scoops up any big debris in the immediate area, if the plane went down mostly intact and sank quickly there may have been very little debris to begin with. Now that ship is whistling as if nothing happened and is "assisting" in the search.

/That's my story.

lay off the caffeine, take your time, preview before posting.
 
2014-03-12 04:15:35 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: /I think we can all agree that the whole response by Malaysia has been a cluster fark though.

The fact that you can fly a commercial airliner across the country without detection as to be fairly embarrassing to their military.


Or maybe it is a different form of embarrassment.  Maybe interceptors were scrambled and shot down the airliner.
 
2014-03-12 04:18:54 PM

calbert: supershaft: I've finally settled on my conspiracy theory;
With all the disputed island chains in the general area(the spratly's are a little far but there are others that are a bit closer)Imma gonna say one of the disputees; China, Japan, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Myanmar, India made an oopsie. All those countries are out there waving there navy dicks at each other saying "this is our hunk of rock in the middle of a natural gas field", with that many playas it's only a matter of time before someone gets jittery. So you have an airliner with a faulty/malfunctioning/disabled transponder that identifies it as a commercial jet flying into the region as an unidentified aircraft. Someone in it's flight path could of got nervous and launched  a missile. If the transponder was malfunctioning and it happened right at the time of transferring atc from malaysia to ho chi minh city it's conceivable that it just got unaccounted for. The unknown countries ship that shot it down is obviously first on the scene, sees the boo boo and scoops up any big debris in the immediate area, if the plane went down mostly intact and sank quickly there may have been very little debris to begin with. Now that ship is whistling as if nothing happened and is "assisting" in the search.

/That's my story.
lLay off the caffeine., tTake your time., pPreview before posting.

 
2014-03-12 04:27:47 PM
eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable and confuse many simple details so it is hard to believe someone who remembers the exact longitude and latitude of the event

in a lot of the countries involved lying in a report/hoax or just pissing off those in charge will get you dead if the families dont chase you down and kill you firs,t delaying the report for 5 days of a flaming craft would subject you to lawsuits from families that their loved one survived and later died because this asshat  delayed the search and rescue teams arrival at the real crash site or that  his delay in reporting caused the deaths

this makes about as much sense as the military radar operators not noticing an unidentified contact the size of an airliner outside of a normal route/flight plan (i suspect there are a few open jobs in radar operation right now)

even the airline is having to issue press releases debunking rumors, the latest one is the airline is flying some family members to india
 
2014-03-12 04:32:19 PM

calbert: /That's my story.

lay off the caffeine, take your time, preview before posting.


Ok, thanks for the sound advice. I still stand by my conspiracy regardless of feverish caffeine fueled rambling or typos.
/Did I post too late in the thread for Fark FAA experts and retired Rear Admirals to pick apart my theory?
 
2014-03-12 04:32:51 PM

porcupine tree: Danger Mouse: Bf+: vpb: It could easily be a hoax.  Internet hoaxers have gotten good at paying attention to detail.

Disappearing an entire plane?  Now that's some hoax!
Waaaaiiiiit a minute... Where's David Copperfield during all this?


On his private island raping a plane full of asian chicks.

Why would he rape the plane, when he could just rape the asian chicks?



Chuck Norris is there too?
 
2014-03-12 04:34:58 PM
WTFDYW

P: Pilot relief tube not long enough
S: Extended pilot relief tube. Check good with enlisted dick
 
2014-03-12 04:36:09 PM
This is interesting.  I plotted the data we have and at the location where he reports flames, it's almost directly opposite of the location they said they saw a radar target on.  I have no idea what this means, probably nothing.

i897.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-12 04:36:36 PM

Oreamnos: the_sidewinder: [i00.i.aliimg.com image 850x637]

Clever image. I suppose you have to be from the right part of the country to recognize those objects as what they are.


I looked at the image, and thought "those look like saltlicks, but why?"
 
2014-03-12 04:37:15 PM

joshiz: How hard is it to plot the coordinates that are right there in the email on a Google Map and post a screenshot in the article?

Here, let me google map that for you:
[i.imgur.com image 850x528]


I get 396 miles from the last transponder ping to the oil rig.  If the aircraft went down in flames at the reported altitude, it would be over the horizon and not visible from the oil rig.

Either the aircraft was much closer to the oil rig, or the eyewit saw something else, or this is a hoax.
 
2014-03-12 04:44:39 PM

nekom: This is interesting.  I plotted the data we have and at the location where he reports flames, it's almost directly opposite of the location they said they saw a radar target on.  I have no idea what this means, probably nothing.

[i897.photobucket.com image 762x567]


It means he is full of shiat.
 
2014-03-12 04:45:26 PM
China says they have a suspected crash site at sea.  via CNN new alerts, no links anywhere yet.
 
2014-03-12 04:49:16 PM

brap: People try to gain fame by hoax-reporting flaming airlines crashing into the sea?  What sort of vile pond scum would do that?  Is this some sort of dick enlargement metaphor?


rogueoperator.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-12 04:49:20 PM
img.fark.net
I wonder what the odds are in Vegas for alien abduction at this point?
 
2014-03-12 04:55:33 PM

nekom: China says they have a suspected crash site at sea.  via CNN new alerts, no links anywhere yet.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/ind ex .html

that is the page that came up when i clicked on the banner
 
2014-03-12 05:03:27 PM

ummhima2: nekom: China says they have a suspected crash site at sea.  via CNN new alerts, no links anywhere yet.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/ind ex .html

that is the page that came up when i clicked on the banner


I see they just put it up.  Perfect time for a breakthrough as it's daybreak there.
 
2014-03-12 05:07:32 PM

ummhima2: nekom: China says they have a suspected crash site at sea.  via CNN new alerts, no links anywhere yet.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/ind ex .html

that is the page that came up when i clicked on the banner


My local news started their broadcast saying the Chinese said they may have found the crash site with one of their satellites, more at 5:30.
 
2014-03-12 05:10:22 PM

kpaxoid: I get 396 miles from the last transponder ping to the oil rig.  If the aircraft went down in flames at the reported altitude, it would be over the horizon and not visible from the oil rig.


I have no evidence to counteract what you are saying but oil rigs can be quite high up so you have to factor that in.

There also may be some kind of mirroring effect which could effectively extend the horizon as there was for the Titanic but I'm just throwing that out there.
 
2014-03-12 05:12:31 PM
 
2014-03-12 05:18:37 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Ain't sayin' shiat

[www.indyprops.com image 334x466]
Seriously... nobody yet?


I just re-watched that movie last night.
 
2014-03-12 05:22:56 PM

PreMortem: Why would aliens stage a catastrophy? No good reason.


img.fark.net

Nah, man, they just wanted their stuff back.  The midair recovery would have gone off without a hitch if the US military hadn't shot down the UFO that had the plane in it's tractor beam.
 
2014-03-12 05:25:38 PM
plots of the various coordinates from reddit.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-12 05:30:31 PM
Well...good news is china thinks they found it and there were massive chunks on the surface. Bad news is that the image is from Sunday and even if there were survivors...well, you get the picture
 
2014-03-12 05:32:44 PM

WelldeadLink: gaslight: Well, a plane breaking apart at tens of thousands of feet in the sky, travelling at hundreds of miles per hour would result in confetti.

[richstokoe.com image 674x419]


That pilot was mighty fond of living.
 
2014-03-12 05:35:12 PM
Looks like their suspected site is just 33nmi northeast of where radar contact was first reported lost.  That's not really in line with something that caused an immediate nose-dive.
 
2014-03-12 05:37:36 PM

nekom: Looks like their suspected site is just 33nmi northeast of where radar contact was first reported lost.  That's not really in line with something that caused an immediate nose-dive.


OTOH if it was that close to where radar contact was lost, why was it so hard to spot earlier?
 
2014-03-12 05:38:42 PM
http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/4894 - Middle square, lower right corner

i897.photobucket.com

That's what's there.
 
2014-03-12 05:39:06 PM

supershaft: I've finally settled on my conspiracy theory;
With all the disputed island chains in the general area(the spratly's are a little far but there are others that are a bit closer)Imma gonna say one of the disputees; China, Japan, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Myanmar, India made an oopsie. All those countries are out there waving there navy dicks at each other saying "this is our hunk of rock in the middle of a natural gas field", with that many playas it's only a matter of time before someone gets jittery. So you have an airliner with a faulty/malfunctioning/disabled transponder that identifies it as a commercial jet flying into the region as an unidentified aircraft. Someone in it's flight path could of got nervous and launched  a missile. If the transponder was malfunctioning and it happened right at the time of transferring atc from malaysia to ho chi minh city it's conceivable that it just got unaccounted for. The unknown countries ship that shot it down is obviously first on the scene, sees the boo boo and scoops up any big debris in the immediate area, if the plane went down mostly intact and sank quickly there may have been very little debris to begin with. Now that ship is whistling as if nothing happened and is "assisting" in the search.
/That's my story.


I think even goatse would have trouble pulling that one out ...
 
2014-03-12 05:42:30 PM

kpaxoid: joshiz: How hard is it to plot the coordinates that are right there in the email on a Google Map and post a screenshot in the article?

Here, let me google map that for you:
[i.imgur.com image 850x528]

I get 396 miles from the last transponder ping to the oil rig.  If the aircraft went down in flames at the reported altitude, it would be over the horizon and not visible from the oil rig.

Either the aircraft was much closer to the oil rig, or the eyewit saw something else, or this is a hoax.


All past flights seem to have a loss of ADS data around the same point as MH370, and then reaquire ADS near the Veitnam coast. Just because the transponder went dark doesnt mean that it is the location of the incident. It just means nobody is listening in that area
 
2014-03-12 05:45:44 PM

supershaft: calbert: /That's my story.

lay off the caffeine, take your time, preview before posting.

Ok, thanks for the sound advice. I still stand by my conspiracy regardless of feverish caffeine fueled rambling or typos.
/Did I post too late in the thread for Fark FAA experts and retired Rear Admirals to pick apart my theory?


I actually like your theory, it includes a lot of elements that are certainly within the realm of possibility, especially considering the parties involved.

it's a nice mix of ego, incompetence, and cover-up.
 
2014-03-12 05:51:14 PM
I'm beginning to doubt that there ever was a plane in the first place.
 
2014-03-12 05:57:23 PM

FarkingReading: The plane had lost power in all three engines, dropped from thirty-four thousand feet to twelve thousand feet. Something like four miles. When the steep glide began, people rose, fell, collided, swam in their seats. Then the serious screaming and moaning began. Almost immediately a voice from the flight deck was heard on the intercom: "We're falling out of the sky! We're going down! We're a silver gleaming death machine!" This outburst struck the passengers as an all but total breakdown of authority, competence and command presence and it brought on a round of fresh and desperate wailing.



Huh?
 
2014-03-12 06:03:03 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I looked at the image, and thought "those look like saltlicks, but why?"


The phrase "Take this with a grain of salt"
 
2014-03-12 06:08:06 PM

calbert: I actually like your theory, it includes a lot of elements that are certainly within the realm of possibility, especially considering the parties involved.

it's a nice mix of ego, incompetence, and cover-up.


Thanks, i'm kind of pleased with the way it came out. I was careful not to jump in to the discussion too early with an inferior conspiracy. i also left us with a new mystery; which country accidentally shot down a civilian airliner? Most people are gonna go with those sneaky Chinese but my dark horse is Japan.
 
2014-03-12 06:14:24 PM

the_sidewinder: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I looked at the image, and thought "those look like saltlicks, but why?"

The phrase "Take this with a grain of salt"


Ahh. Don't mind me, I'm feeling kinda dull, distracted, dim and dumb today. Low energy.
 
2014-03-12 06:18:37 PM

Whatchoo Talkinbout: gaslight: Well, a plane breaking apart at tens of thousands of feet in the sky, travelling at hundreds of miles per hour would result in confetti. The forces at work on the aluminum, steel, carbon fibre and plastic would likely spread the débris over a large area and in many small pieces. It may well be that the area was searched before but the pieces were too small to have been spotted from the air.

Anyone remember how a fuel tank spark destroyed a plane flying from New York to Paris a few years ago? It may have been as "simple" as that.

Many large pieces made it to the sea more or less intact. Similarly the shuttle was traveling at 17,000 MPH and reentering the atmosphere when it left many large and heavy pieces intact to hit Texas. Something made it down, something is floating. Carry on the mystery.



Agreed but that happened on camera. There are 900,000 flights a year that happen uneventfully. No was watching closely, the search area is 90,000 square kilometres so yes, there are doubtless large chunks but if you have no idea where any of them are, it'll take some to find them. Anyway, on the radio just now the announcer said there may be some stuff floating.
 
2014-03-12 06:25:56 PM
Yeah, China has released satellite images taken on Sunday of 3 large objects in the water off the coast of Vietnam.
 
2014-03-12 06:38:19 PM

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Yeah, China has released satellite images taken on Sunday of 3 large objects in the water off the coast of Vietnam.


I hope those are correct and the wreckage found and the families of these people can start having closure.
 
2014-03-12 07:04:56 PM

kpaxoid: I get 396 miles from the last transponder ping to the oil rig. If the aircraft went down in flames at the reported altitude, it would be over the horizon and not visible from the oil rig.


The Chinese sat images were taken on Sunday. It seems reasonable that the wreckage could have drifted a long way by then.
 
2014-03-12 07:14:00 PM

SuperNinjaToad: [www.thestar.com.my image 620x413]

This guy is on it! surely the plane will be found soon!!!

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/12/Missing-MH370-Bomoh -u ses-magic-carpet-to-find-Boeing/



At first, I said 'Holy Sheesh..... you can't be serious.' but then I remembered that Malaysians actually use handwriting analysis to decide who to hire.

* at least they did when I knew a group of Malays in university 20 yrs ago.
 
2014-03-12 07:28:10 PM

ummhima2: eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable and confuse many simple details so it is hard to believe someone who remembers the exact longitude and latitude of the event


It's likely that someone working at an oil rig at sea would know his longitude and latitude.


in a lot of the countries involved lying in a report/hoax or just pissing off those in charge will get you dead if the families dont chase you down and kill you firs,t delaying the report for 5 days of a flaming craft would subject you to lawsuits from families that their loved one survived and later died because this asshat  delayed the search and rescue teams arrival at the real crash site or that  his delay in reporting caused the deaths

"I tried to contact the Malaysian and Vietnam officials several days ago. But I do not know if the message was received."

I'm not endorsing the witness claim as legitimate, but you are off in your judgement.
 
2014-03-12 07:29:51 PM

WTFDYW: Here are some of the previous documented problems with the missing airplane.

P: Left inside main tire almost needs replacement.
S: Almost replaced left inside main tire.

P: Test flight OK, except auto-land very rough.
S: Auto-land not installed on this aircraft.

P: Something loose in cockpit.
S: Something tightened in cockpit.

P: Dead bugs on windshield.
S: Live bugs on back-order.

P: Autopilot in altitude-hold mode produces a 200 feet per minute descent.
S: Cannot reproduce problem on ground.
Additional Details
P: Evidence of leak on right main landing gear.
S: Evidence removed.

P: DME volume unbelievably loud.
S: DME volume set to more believable level.

P: Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick.
S: That's what friction locks are for.

P: IFF inoperative in OFF mode.
S: IFF always inoperative in OFF mode.

P: Suspected crack in windshield.
S: Suspect you're right.

P: Number 3 engine missing.
S: Engine found on right wing after brief search.

P: Aircraft handles funny. (I love this one!)
S: Aircraft warned to straighten up, fly right, and be serious.

P: Target radar hums.
S: Reprogrammed target radar with lyrics.

P: Mouse in cockpit.
S: Cat installed.

P: Noise coming from under instrument panel. Sounds like a midget pounding
on something with a hammer.


HA! I haven't seen that one in forever. Thanks for the refresher.
 
2014-03-12 08:13:41 PM
Maybe they were doing a Chinese fire drill and the pilots all fell out of the plane.
 
2014-03-12 08:52:22 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Ahh. Don't mind me, I'm feeling kinda dull, distracted, dim and dumb today. Low energy.


Story of my week man, take her easy
 
2014-03-12 09:10:22 PM

supershaft: calbert: I actually like your theory, it includes a lot of elements that are certainly within the realm of possibility, especially considering the parties involved.

it's a nice mix of ego, incompetence, and cover-up.

Thanks, i'm kind of pleased with the way it came out. I was careful not to jump in to the discussion too early with an inferior conspiracy. i also left us with a new mystery; which country accidentally shot down a civilian airliner? Most people are gonna go with those sneaky Chinese but my dark horse is Japan.


Why would they shoot down an airliner over international waters....simply because the transponder was inoperative?  Maybe you should just stick to drinking, and let us serious analysts figure this one out.
 
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