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(Boston.com)   Mysterious disappearance of Malaysian airline gets slightly less mysterious as worker on an oil rig platform of the coast of Vietnam sends an e-mail to his bosses saying he saw a flaming jetliner plunge into the sea   (boston.com) divider line 206
    More: Interesting, Malaysia, Vietnam, Malaysia Airlines, jetliner, DigitalGlobe, Judy Woodruff, South China Sea, Gulf of Thailand  
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2014-03-12 11:46:42 AM  
People try to gain fame by hoax-reporting flaming airlines crashing into the sea?  What sort of vile pond scum would do that?  Is this some sort of dick enlargement metaphor?
 
2014-03-12 11:59:29 AM  
Seems too detailed to be a hoax, but IANA...debunker?  And reported like that--to company officials, rather than directly to the Sun or Daily Fail??

/I'm thinking it the first solid lead they've had...
 
2014-03-12 11:59:54 AM  
It could be a hoax, yes, Bob, you magnificent expert on all things.  Or not.  So send a goddamn plane out to the coordinates he described, adjusted for currents, and see what you see.

Seriously - who do they have looking for this thing?  Mr. Magoo?
 
2014-03-12 12:08:08 PM  
How hard is it to plot the coordinates that are right there in the email on a Google Map and post a screenshot in the article?

Here, let me google map that for you:
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-12 12:13:50 PM  

joshiz: How hard is it to plot the coordinates that are right there in the email on a Google Map and post a screenshot in the article?


Anyone know the coordinates of the location that the Malaysians claim the plane made its U-turn?
 
2014-03-12 12:23:21 PM  

joshiz: How hard is it to plot the coordinates that are right there in the email on a Google Map and post a screenshot in the article?

Here, let me google map that for you:
[i.imgur.com image 850x528]


That's... awfully close to the Spratly Islands. You know, the islands China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Brunei, Malaysia and the Philippines all claim.
 
2014-03-12 12:25:55 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: joshiz: How hard is it to plot the coordinates that are right there in the email on a Google Map and post a screenshot in the article?

Anyone know the coordinates of the location that the Malaysians claim the plane made its U-turn?


About 400 miles eastnortheast of the site where they lost the transponder.  That's a good hour flying time, and nowhere near on course.  Awfully lot of time to go by without a distress call.
 
2014-03-12 12:38:16 PM  

nekom: and nowhere near on course.


Actually, I take that one back.  From the distance he described it at it's relatively close to where it should have been.

Also, talk about a thorough witness report!  The guy appeared to know his stuff and included everything he could think of that might possibly be relevant to the investigation.
 
2014-03-12 12:39:30 PM  
biatch you lie.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-03-12 12:46:42 PM  
It could easily be a hoax.  Internet hoaxers have gotten good at paying attention to detail.
 
2014-03-12 12:50:47 PM  

vpb: It could easily be a hoax.  Internet hoaxers have gotten good at paying attention to detail.


If it is a hoax (and it well could be) it was very well executed.  Everything seems to add up, at least at first glance.
 
2014-03-12 12:53:58 PM  

vpb: It could easily be a hoax.  Internet hoaxers have gotten good at paying attention to detail.


Seems like it ought to take about 15 minutes for a competent news agency to at least confirm that:

- There is an oil rig in that location.
- Some guy named Mike McKay works there.

Unfortunately, finding a competent news agency is going to be harder than finding that damn plane.
 
2014-03-12 12:54:37 PM  

nekom: vpb: It could easily be a hoax.  Internet hoaxers have gotten good at paying attention to detail.

If it is a hoax (and it well could be) it was very well executed.  Everything seems to add up, at least at first glance.


The company has confirmed the email is genuine, but apparently the area described has been searchd without sucess so far
 
2014-03-12 12:56:12 PM  
i00.i.aliimg.com
 
2014-03-12 01:18:52 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: vpb: It could easily be a hoax.  Internet hoaxers have gotten good at paying attention to detail.

Seems like it ought to take about 15 minutes for a competent news agency to at least confirm that:

- There is an oil rig in that location.
- Some guy named Mike McKay works there.

Unfortunately, finding a competent news agency is going to be harder than finding that damn plane.


According to another forum, a poster says that BBC television said they contacted the oil company and they claim to have no employee by that name.  I see nothing like that on their website, and don't have access to BBC TV, so can't confirm. But the idea that it is a hoax should not be ruled out.

/I think we can all agree that the whole response by Malaysia has been a cluster fark though.
 
2014-03-12 01:27:51 PM  
Well, the guy could be wrong, but hey, there are dozens of ships and planes combing the sea for the wreckage. What's the harm in sending one over to that area for a looksie?
 
2014-03-12 01:30:22 PM  
It's the Malaysian Calendar predicts the end of the world! Fiery objects flying and falling from the sky!.........
 
2014-03-12 01:30:56 PM  

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: /I think we can all agree that the whole response by Malaysia has been a cluster fark though.


The fact that you can fly a commercial airliner across the country without detection as to be fairly embarrassing to their military.
 
2014-03-12 01:30:58 PM  
Should Navy SOSUS have heard this splash?

Is that sort of intelligence analyzed in real time?
 
2014-03-12 01:30:59 PM  
Don't jump to conclusions. Maybe it was a different plane on fire.
 
2014-03-12 01:31:15 PM  
The plane had lost power in all three engines, dropped from thirty-four thousand feet to twelve thousand feet. Something like four miles. When the steep glide began, people rose, fell, collided, swam in their seats. Then the serious screaming and moaning began. Almost immediately a voice from the flight deck was heard on the intercom: "We're falling out of the sky! We're going down! We're a silver gleaming death machine!" This outburst struck the passengers as an all but total breakdown of authority, competence and command presence and it brought on a round of fresh and desperate wailing.
 
2014-03-12 01:31:45 PM  
Baba Booey.
 
2014-03-12 01:32:35 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: vpb: It could easily be a hoax.  Internet hoaxers have gotten good at paying attention to detail.

Seems like it ought to take about 15 minutes for a competent news agency to at least confirm that:

- There is an oil rig in that location.
- Some guy named Mike McKay works there.


Maybe it was "Freeze Lightening".
 
2014-03-12 01:33:00 PM  
media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com

What a flaming airplane may look like..
 
2014-03-12 01:33:54 PM  

brap: People try to gain fame by hoax-reporting flaming airlines crashing into the sea? What sort of vile pond scum would do that?


Homo sapiens sapiens
 
2014-03-12 01:34:42 PM  
This photo just in, from moments before the crash:

i.ytimg.com
 
2014-03-12 01:36:16 PM  
Why would aliens stage a catastrophy? No good reason.
 
Bf+
2014-03-12 01:36:18 PM  

vpb: It could easily be a hoax.  Internet hoaxers have gotten good at paying attention to detail.


Disappearing an entire plane?  Now that's some hoax!
Waaaaiiiiit a minute... Where's David Copperfield during all this?
 
2014-03-12 01:38:03 PM  
Youtube video, or it didn't happen.
 
2014-03-12 01:39:07 PM  

RoyBatty: Should Navy SOSUS have heard this splash?

Is that sort of intelligence analyzed in real time?


Surface clutter so no. Also yes, it would be analyzed in real time but again, surface clutter is ignored.

Also, there wouldn't be any American sonar systems in that area that aren't on a ship or boat. It's not magic, it's sonar.
 
2014-03-12 01:40:18 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: /I think we can all agree that the whole response by Malaysia has been a cluster fark though.

The fact that you can fly a commercial airliner across the country without detection as to be fairly embarrassing to their military.


Yep, and they can't even get that story straight.  First they said they tracked it heading west.  Then they came out and said they never said that.  And then later said well maybe we saw something on our radar, but we can't confirm if it was the missing plane or a different plane.

Real great air security there.  And we're what, nearly 5 days from it going missing and they still haven't figured out what they saw?  The government has also said they'd accept help from shamens in finding the plane, provided the 'magic' used doesn't conflict with Islam.  Magic?

I know if I'm going to invade a country via air attack, it will be Malaysia.  I'll have taken over the government and changed the official language to Esperanto long before the military figures out they've been attacked.
 
2014-03-12 01:41:11 PM  
Thunderball 2, Electric Bugaloo?
 
2014-03-12 01:41:24 PM  
Well, a plane breaking apart at tens of thousands of feet in the sky, travelling at hundreds of miles per hour would result in confetti. The forces at work on the aluminum, steel, carbon fibre and plastic would likely spread the débris over a large area and in many small pieces. It may well be that the area was searched before but the pieces were too small to have been spotted from the air.

Anyone remember how a fuel tank spark destroyed a plane flying from New York to Paris a few years ago? It may have been as "simple" as that.
 
2014-03-12 01:43:53 PM  
I'd say with that level of detail it is more likely a hoax than not.
 
2014-03-12 01:43:58 PM  
There is no mystery the plane simply disappeared.
 
2014-03-12 01:45:11 PM  
"De Plane, De Plane!"
 
2014-03-12 01:46:32 PM  
A hotmail address to a gmail address? It's an oil company. They can't afford company email addresses?

Fake
 
2014-03-12 01:46:42 PM  

BigNumber12: brap: People try to gain fame by hoax-reporting flaming airlines crashing into the sea? What sort of vile pond scum would do that?

Homo sapiens sapiens


You must really like sapiens.
 
2014-03-12 01:46:47 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: RoyBatty: Should Navy SOSUS have heard this splash?

Is that sort of intelligence analyzed in real time?

Surface clutter so no. Also yes, it would be analyzed in real time but again, surface clutter is ignored.

Also, there wouldn't be any American sonar systems in that area that aren't on a ship or boat. It's not magic, it's sonar.


Thanks. I know zip about this, so I assumed that by now, the Navy had ears everywhere, or that like Bloop, they could hear it from 1000s of kilometers away. And I would be surprised to find that near China and Vietnam, the US Navy has no underwater sound surveillance set up, though the wiki suggests that after the cold war, capabilities actually decreased.
 
2014-03-12 01:46:53 PM  
My sister's aviation engineer inlaw seems to think that Boeing and the airline have a better idea of what's what than they're saying but that they aren't wanting to admit that they know because if they do their stock prices are going to plummet faster than the plane did.
 
2014-03-12 01:48:08 PM  

Bf+: vpb: It could easily be a hoax.  Internet hoaxers have gotten good at paying attention to detail.

Disappearing an entire plane?  Now that's some hoax!
Waaaaiiiiit a minute... Where's David Copperfield during all this?



On his private island raping a plane full of asian chicks.
 
2014-03-12 01:48:33 PM  
Hope it's good information. Then again, I wouldn't exactly suggest using camera-phone pictures of Gmail printouts as evidence in court.
 
2014-03-12 01:49:29 PM  
Please don't try to confuse us with the truth.

/it spoils all the fun
 
2014-03-12 01:49:32 PM  

PreMortem: Why would aliens stage a catastrophy? No good reason.


Ruby Thewes can spell better than you.
 
2014-03-12 01:50:33 PM  

Paris1127: joshiz: How hard is it to plot the coordinates that are right there in the email on a Google Map and post a screenshot in the article?

Here, let me google map that for you:
[i.imgur.com image 850x528]

That's... awfully close to the Spratly Islands. You know, the islands China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Brunei, Malaysia and the Philippines all claim.


If the Chinese shot it down, that's going to be your WW3 right there.  Not this Russian business.

Although it was mostly their own people, so it could be a wash.

Now if someone else shot it down...
 
2014-03-12 01:51:07 PM  
I like how "investigative journalists" now just tweet a picture with a "could be a hoax, how am I supposed to know?" note and walk away.
 
2014-03-12 01:51:20 PM  

gaslight: Well, a plane breaking apart at tens of thousands of feet in the sky, travelling at hundreds of miles per hour would result in confetti. The forces at work on the aluminum, steel, carbon fibre and plastic would likely spread the débris over a large area and in many small pieces. It may well be that the area was searched before but the pieces were too small to have been spotted from the air.

Anyone remember how a fuel tank spark destroyed a plane flying from New York to Paris a few years ago? It may have been as "simple" as that.


Many large pieces made it to the sea more or less intact. Similarly the shuttle was traveling at 17,000 MPH and reentering the atmosphere when it left many large and heavy pieces intact to hit Texas. Something made it down, something is floating. Carry on the mystery.
 
2014-03-12 01:51:38 PM  

Hack Patooey: This photo just in, from moments before the crash:

[i.ytimg.com image 480x360]


Holy sweet flyin' fark, what have you built?!?
 
2014-03-12 01:52:35 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: It could be a hoax, yes, Bob, you magnificent expert on all things.  Or not.  So send a goddamn plane out to the coordinates he described, adjusted for currents, and see what you see.

Seriously - who do they have looking for this thing?  Mr. Magoo?


Now it's been days so good luck finding much of anything besides some insulation floating around. This is a strange situation.
 
2014-03-12 01:53:14 PM  
 
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