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(RealClear)   Merchandise from a 10,000-year old Halloween store goes on display at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem   (realclear.com) divider line 32
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2014-03-12 11:53:53 AM
Unpossible. 6000 years. That is all.
 
2014-03-12 11:56:44 AM
"...in the largest-ever exhibit of the ghoulish faces "

Those masks are not what pops into my head when I think "ghoulish."
 
2014-03-12 11:56:57 AM
this is about what I would expect in sophistication from a 10,000 year old mask:
www.realclear.com

but these?  Particularly the one on the right is was more advanced than I wold have credited for the time period :
www.haaretz.com
 
2014-03-12 11:57:53 AM
approves
lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-03-12 11:58:36 AM
Looks like Doctor Who was right about a hidden species guiding our development.
 
2014-03-12 11:58:59 AM

Magorn: but these? Particularly the one on the right is was more advanced than I wold have credited for the time period


Now those are ghoulish.
 
2014-03-12 12:00:18 PM
appryuves
s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-03-12 12:01:29 PM
Did they use them to scare dinosaurs?
 
2014-03-12 12:03:18 PM
The masks have long been an enigma.

Hurr, Durrr. I wonder what they would make of a hat block?
You take the stone template, put the wet leather on it.
Dry it.
Mask.
 
2014-03-12 12:05:10 PM
Which one will work best to help me stop the moon from destroying the world on day 3?
 
2014-03-12 12:11:19 PM

Magorn: this is about what I would expect in sophistication from a 10,000 year old mask:
[www.realclear.com image 600x400]

but these?  Particularly the one on the right is was more advanced than I wold have credited for the time period :
[www.haaretz.com image 640x370]


Those are very cool, but it doesn't really surprise me that much. The cave artwork I saw in France was stunningly sophisticated stuff, and 18,000 years old. On the goddamn ceiling. In a part of the cave where it's pitch dark, and you can't bring a torch.
 
2014-03-12 12:15:55 PM

Gunny Highway: "...in the largest-ever exhibit of the ghoulish faces "

Those masks are not what pops into my head when I think "ghoulish."


Bears

Bears

Bears
 
2014-03-12 12:20:24 PM

Mr_Fabulous: Magorn: this is about what I would expect in sophistication from a 10,000 year old mask:
[www.realclear.com image 600x400]

but these?  Particularly the one on the right is was more advanced than I wold have credited for the time period :
[www.haaretz.com image 640x370]

Those are very cool, but it doesn't really surprise me that much. The cave artwork I saw in France was stunningly sophisticated stuff, and 18,000 years old. On the goddamn ceiling. In a part of the cave where it's pitch dark, and you can't bring a torch.


Which raises the question...who saw that artwork and How?

when you contemplate the incredible time those painting or these makes took to create, and realize they come from a time when it was a daily battle to obtain an consume enough calories to survive until the next day, and every activity and expense of effort had to be weighed against that need, the fact that these people took the time to create art, says something interesting, to me somewhat moving, about our species
 
2014-03-12 12:21:14 PM
While not especially grotesque, these masks are about what I'd expect from a pre-Judaic monotheistic culture that existed some 10,000 years ago or so in or near the area they were discovered.
 
2014-03-12 12:23:03 PM

Magorn: this is about what I would expect in sophistication from a 10,000 year old mask:


but these?  Particularly the one on the right is was more advanced than I wold have credited for the time period :


Looks like they were getting good ready to kidnap the Sandy Claws.
 
2014-03-12 12:26:19 PM

Magorn: to me somewhat moving


Honest to fark, I had tears in my eyes. For exactly that reason.

They had to erect scaffolding to reach the ceiling. They had to create tallow-burning lamps with fir-twig wicks that would only burn for 20 minutes at a time, and have teams of people shuttling dozens of them in and out of the work site. All day, every day. And that's all IN ADDITION to the commitment and skill of creating the art itself.
 
2014-03-12 12:29:34 PM
I really expected to see some candy corn, as I know it as fact, candy corn hasn't been produced since about 10,000 years ago..  It's just the same shyt recycled every year, because who would eat that?
 
2014-03-12 12:34:44 PM

offmymeds: a pre-Judaic monotheistic culture that existed some 10,000 years ago or so in or near the area they were discovered.


So like... the middle east is today?
 
2014-03-12 12:35:00 PM

vudukungfu: The masks have long been an enigma.

Hurr, Durrr. I wonder what they would make of a hat block?
You take the stone template, put the wet leather on it.
Dry it.
Mask.


Except that most of the masks have holes around the edge indicating they were meant to be tied onto somebody's face.

www.haaretz.com

That doesn't mean they were meant to be worn by witchdoctors. They could have been tied onto prisoner's faces as part of an execution ritual, tied on the sick to heal them, or placed on the honored recently dead to keep jackals from eating their faces off when left outside. And their purpose could have evolved among these.
 
2014-03-12 12:36:17 PM

mainsail: Bears

Bears

Bears


web.mit.edu
 
2014-03-12 12:45:34 PM
www.inrubber.com
 
2014-03-12 01:17:00 PM

vudukungfu: offmymeds: a pre-Judaic monotheistic culture that existed some 10,000 years ago or so in or near the area they were discovered.

So like... the middle east is today?


Yeah, pretty much. I mean like if you have to have some dental work done then you might want to wait to get back to the States or find a dentist over there who has access to novocaine and pain meds for after.

www.hawabet.com
 
2014-03-12 01:18:46 PM

Hacker_X: Which one will work best to help me stop the moon from destroying the world on day 3?


Came for Majora reference
 
2014-03-12 01:38:07 PM

unchellmatt: mainsail: Bears

Bears

Bears

[web.mit.edu image 540x398]


Repeat.
 
2014-03-12 01:41:44 PM

offmymeds: vudukungfu: offmymeds: a pre-Judaic monotheistic culture that existed some 10,000 years ago or so in or near the area they were discovered.

So like... the middle east is today?

Yeah, pretty much. I mean like if you have to have some dental work done then you might want to wait to get back to the States or find a dentist over there who has access to novocaine and pain meds for after.

[www.hawabet.com image 450x337]


Wow. That makes me not hate my dentist in the 1980s quite as much as I used to.
 
2014-03-12 01:48:36 PM

offmymeds: vudukungfu: offmymeds: a pre-Judaic monotheistic culture that existed some 10,000 years ago or so in or near the area they were discovered.

So like... the middle east is today?

Yeah, pretty much. I mean like if you have to have some dental work done then you might want to wait to get back to the States or find a dentist over there who has access to novocaine and pain meds for after.

[www.hawabet.com image 450x337]


images.sodahead.com
 
2014-03-12 02:53:52 PM
img2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-03-12 03:07:28 PM
l.yimg.com
 
2014-03-12 03:41:17 PM

tagkc: [l.yimg.com image 400x300]


Y'know, I just now noticed the Clutch Cargo lips.
 
2014-03-12 06:30:56 PM
In 10,000 years I would love to have something I made put on display and wondered about. Hell even if it was my bones that would be cool too.
 
2014-03-12 06:53:11 PM

Magorn: Mr_Fabulous: Magorn: this is about what I would expect in sophistication from a 10,000 year old mask:
[www.realclear.com image 600x400]

but these?  Particularly the one on the right is was more advanced than I wold have credited for the time period :
[www.haaretz.com image 640x370]

Those are very cool, but it doesn't really surprise me that much. The cave artwork I saw in France was stunningly sophisticated stuff, and 18,000 years old. On the goddamn ceiling. In a part of the cave where it's pitch dark, and you can't bring a torch.

Which raises the question...who saw that artwork and How?

when you contemplate the incredible time those painting or these makes took to create, and realize they come from a time when it was a daily battle to obtain an consume enough calories to survive until the next day, and every activity and expense of effort had to be weighed against that need, the fact that these people took the time to create art, says something interesting, to me somewhat moving, about our species


Strictly speaking, that's not true. Hunter-gatherers had more recreational time than Neolithic and most historical people in similar environmental circumstances. Complex hunter-gatherers, like the people who likely made cave paintings, typically exceeded all current daily nutritional requirements year round.

Compare, for instance, the archaeology of the Cahokia Mound builders with their neighbours and earlier and later inhabitants of the same region. During the classic mound building period, there is evidence of widespread nutritional deficiencies and an increase in morbidity from all causes. In comparison, there is no corresponding change in population health in archaeologically visible populations practicing a hunter-gatherer lifestyle nearby. Interestingly enough, because the mound builders have been extensively studied, during periods of decline, population health improved until social reintegration resets the process.

This type of pattern has been observed throughout North America and the rest of the world. Upon adoption of agriculture, population health declines until technological and para agricultural social practices catches them up.

That's not to say that the life of ancient Eurasian hunter-gatherers was easy, because it was highly dangerous for lots of reasons. But they weren't typically or normally staggering around the countryside starving.
 
2014-03-12 07:10:14 PM

Doc Batarang: Magorn: Mr_Fabulous: Magorn: this is about what I would expect in sophistication from a 10,000 year old mask:
[www.realclear.com image 600x400]

but these?  Particularly the one on the right is was more advanced than I wold have credited for the time period :
[www.haaretz.com image 640x370]

Those are very cool, but it doesn't really surprise me that much. The cave artwork I saw in France was stunningly sophisticated stuff, and 18,000 years old. On the goddamn ceiling. In a part of the cave where it's pitch dark, and you can't bring a torch.

Which raises the question...who saw that artwork and How?

when you contemplate the incredible time those painting or these makes took to create, and realize they come from a time when it was a daily battle to obtain an consume enough calories to survive until the next day, and every activity and expense of effort had to be weighed against that need, the fact that these people took the time to create art, says something interesting, to me somewhat moving, about our species

Strictly speaking, that's not true. Hunter-gatherers had more recreational time than Neolithic and most historical people in similar environmental circumstances. Complex hunter-gatherers, like the people who likely made cave paintings, typically exceeded all current daily nutritional requirements year round.

Compare, for instance, the archaeology of the Cahokia Mound builders with their neighbours and earlier and later inhabitants of the same region. During the classic mound building period, there is evidence of widespread nutritional deficiencies and an increase in morbidity from all causes. In comparison, there is no corresponding change in population health in archaeologically visible populations practicing a hunter-gatherer lifestyle nearby. Interestingly enough, because the mound builders have been extensively studied, during periods of decline, population health improved until social reintegration resets the process.

This type of pattern has been obs ...


the other explanation for this may be that people were eating the WRONG calories.  Mind you, I am biased because of what a low carb diet did for me personally but, some theories say those health problems largely sprung from switching from a protein heavy diets with carbs available on in the fall months when you wanted to put on weight to carbs being the main source of calories
 
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