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2014-03-12 01:26:05 PM
CSB:

One of my sisters is a paramedic. Sesame Street was doing a concert when the guy in the Count suit fell off the stage. They worried he'd broken his leg and phoned for an ambulance. He ended up being okay.

/she was debating saying "One... one broken leg..."
 
2014-03-12 01:30:13 PM
Hooray for the honorable cause of ensuring more military spending, cause we don't hemorrhage nearly enough there now:
nationalpriorities.org
 
2014-03-12 01:32:55 PM

Cygnus God of Balance: Hooray for the honorable cause of ensuring more military spending, cause we don't hemorrhage nearly enough there now:
[nationalpriorities.org image 425x316]


You're right all those hospital ships and the good will missions they undertake are just wasteful.
 
2014-03-12 01:40:19 PM
"People should not put emphasis on the total ship count the way they do," Harrison said. "It doesn't make sense."

"A better way is looking at types of ships," he said.


No kidding. I'd rather have a single Sovereign than a whole squadron of Novas any day.

/farkin' Borg
 
2014-03-12 01:42:53 PM
www.redicecreations.com
Now 4% more gooder.
 
2014-03-12 01:46:18 PM

Cygnus God of Balance: Hooray for the honorable cause of ensuring more military spending, cause we don't hemorrhage nearly enough there now:
[nationalpriorities.org image 425x316]


That chart needs a "Help! We're being oppressed" word balloon added to the Military slice for when they start crying about reduced defense budgets.
 
2014-03-12 01:49:34 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Cygnus God of Balance: Hooray for the honorable cause of ensuring more military spending, cause we don't hemorrhage nearly enough there now:
[nationalpriorities.org image 425x316]

You're right all those hospital ships and the good will missions they undertake are just wasteful.


Yeah, except that's not what's happening. At all.  They are manipulating their numbers by reclassifying those ships thus enabling the addition of more high dollar war ships.  Nice try, though.
 
2014-03-12 01:53:11 PM
Well, submitter, deception (self- or otherwise) is important to those in power.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-12 01:54:39 PM

Cygnus God of Balance: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Cygnus God of Balance: Hooray for the honorable cause of ensuring more military spending, cause we don't hemorrhage nearly enough there now:
[nationalpriorities.org image 425x316]

You're right all those hospital ships and the good will missions they undertake are just wasteful.

Yeah, except that's not what's happening. At all.  They are manipulating their numbers by reclassifying those ships thus enabling the addition of more high dollar war ships.  Nice try, though.


I'm pretty sure the article indicates the opposite.  The number of actual ships is decreasing but they are saying it isn't by adding in ones they never counted before.  This enables the Navy to say they still have 280 ships even after budget cuts so that people don't use the 'we have fewer ships than any time since the Barbary Pirates incidents' since people are stupid and equate number of ships with effective power.
 
2014-03-12 01:55:17 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Cygnus God of Balance: Hooray for the honorable cause of ensuring more military spending, cause we don't hemorrhage nearly enough there now:
[nationalpriorities.org image 425x316]

That chart needs a "Help! We're being oppressed" word balloon added to the Military slice for when they start crying about reduced defense budgets.


img.fark.net
 
2014-03-12 01:56:25 PM

brandent: Cygnus God of Balance: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Cygnus God of Balance: Hooray for the honorable cause of ensuring more military spending, cause we don't hemorrhage nearly enough there now:
[nationalpriorities.org image 425x316]

You're right all those hospital ships and the good will missions they undertake are just wasteful.

Yeah, except that's not what's happening. At all.  They are manipulating their numbers by reclassifying those ships thus enabling the addition of more high dollar war ships.  Nice try, though.

I'm pretty sure the article indicates the opposite.  The number of actual ships is decreasing but they are saying it isn't by adding in ones they never counted before.  This enables the Navy to say they still have 280 ships even after budget cuts so that people don't use the 'we have fewer ships than any time since the Barbary Pirates incidents' since people are stupid and equate number of ships with effective power.


This guy knows what he's talking about.
 
2014-03-12 01:57:45 PM
Oh, wow, would I love to be a fly on the wall when those bureaucratic officers argue underhandedly between themselves, wanting to have a larger budget, and not wanting those hospital ships to be subject to auditing or other stricter guidelines that "official" ships may have to endure.  Just imagine that.
 
2014-03-12 01:59:41 PM
Rhino_man:
[img.fark.net image 620x459]

That'll do, Rhino. That'll do.
 
2014-03-12 02:00:08 PM
All these numbers can make you dinghy.
 
2014-03-12 02:03:11 PM
Tremble at the might of our "new" hospital war ships! Rawr!
 
2014-03-12 02:03:18 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Rhino_man:
[img.fark.net image 620x459]

That'll do, Rhino. That'll do.


Go-go gadget PAINT!
 
2014-03-12 02:10:13 PM

Cygnus God of Balance: Hooray for the honorable cause of ensuring more military spending, cause we don't hemorrhage nearly enough there now:
[nationalpriorities.org image 425x316]


Which amounts to spare change compared to 'mandatory' spending.

/wouldn't mind increases to education an infrastructure
 
2014-03-12 02:11:10 PM

Cygnus God of Balance: Hooray for the honorable cause of ensuring more military spending, cause we don't hemorrhage nearly enough there now:
[nationalpriorities.org image 425x316]


How about we look at total spending instead

nationalpriorities.org
 
2014-03-12 02:11:19 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Cygnus God of Balance: Hooray for the honorable cause of ensuring more military spending, cause we don't hemorrhage nearly enough there now:
[nationalpriorities.org image 425x316]

You're right all those hospital ships and the good will missions they undertake are just wasteful.


Compared to what we might be able to do at home with that money to help our own? They might just be that.
 
2014-03-12 02:12:16 PM

Rhino_man: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Cygnus God of Balance: Hooray for the honorable cause of ensuring more military spending, cause we don't hemorrhage nearly enough there now:
[nationalpriorities.org image 425x316]

That chart needs a "Help! We're being oppressed" word balloon added to the Military slice for when they start crying about reduced defense budgets.

[img.fark.net image 620x459]


Keyword: Discretionary.
img.fark.net

Military spending still a huge amount, to be sure.
 
2014-03-12 02:13:44 PM

Aranur: Tremble at the might of our "new"

plague zombie hospital war ships! Rawr!

FTFY
 
2014-03-12 02:14:39 PM
So, can that method be used for measuring dick length and bra cup size?
 
2014-03-12 02:16:24 PM
doesn't everyone use the +2 inches method when giving out dick length?
 
2014-03-12 02:18:02 PM

Rhino_man: brandent: Cygnus God of Balance: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Cygnus God of Balance: Hooray for the honorable cause of ensuring more military spending, cause we don't hemorrhage nearly enough there now:
[nationalpriorities.org image 425x316]

You're right all those hospital ships and the good will missions they undertake are just wasteful.

Yeah, except that's not what's happening. At all.  They are manipulating their numbers by reclassifying those ships thus enabling the addition of more high dollar war ships.  Nice try, though.

I'm pretty sure the article indicates the opposite.  The number of actual ships is decreasing but they are saying it isn't by adding in ones they never counted before.  This enables the Navy to say they still have 280 ships even after budget cuts so that people don't use the 'we have fewer ships than any time since the Barbary Pirates incidents' since people are stupid and equate number of ships with effective power.

This guy knows what he's talking about.


Indeed.  TFA required more of attention than some knee-jerk poster gave it ;)   damnitsomuch
 
2014-03-12 02:22:23 PM

brandent: This enables the Navy to say they still have 280 ships even after budget cuts so that people don't use the 'we have fewer ships than any time since the Barbary Pirates incidents' since people are stupid and equate number of ships with effective power.


Counting patrol boats and hospital ships to meet the (arbitrary) goal seems to indicate less effective power.

Maybe not.
 
2014-03-12 02:31:57 PM

codigo: doesn't everyone use the +2 inches method when giving out dick length?


The Navy farking likes to measure everything.  It's all about metrics.  You could be boiling in a pot of water and they'd give you the exact temperature, heat rating, number of rivets and barometric pressure before they'd get around to the qualitative assessment.  ("Oh, you are boiling alive."
 
2014-03-12 02:35:29 PM

noblewolf: Aranur: Tremble at the might of our "new" plague zombie hospital war ships! Rawr!

FTFY


Hah! And now I'm picturing the "rescue" ship Arcadia at the end of Resident Evil Afterlife
 
2014-03-12 02:41:29 PM

brandent: I'm pretty sure the article indicates the opposite.  The number of actual ships is decreasing but they are saying it isn't by adding in ones they never counted before.  This enables the Navy to say they still have 280 ships even after budget cuts so that people don't use the 'we have fewer ships than any time since the Barbary Pirates incidents' since people are stupid and equate number of ships with effective power.


They're also trying to dodge the "more admirals than ships" talking point. There are currently 275 admirals, but the pace of shipbuilding is slowing down faster than the pace of new admirals being promoted (beyond replacing retirees).
 
2014-03-12 02:44:02 PM

Aranur: Tremble at the might of our "new" hospital war ships! Rawr!


They can be assigned to running over the Iranian navy.
 
2014-03-12 02:45:14 PM

Silly_Sot: So, can that method be used for measuring dick length and bra cup size?


That's why they need the hospital ships.
 
2014-03-12 02:49:50 PM

codigo: Cygnus God of Balance: Hooray for the honorable cause of ensuring more military spending, cause we don't hemorrhage nearly enough there now:
[nationalpriorities.org image 425x316]

How about we look at total spending instead

[nationalpriorities.org image 620x459]


How about you learn the difference between discretionary and non-discretionary spending? Is that too much to ask?
 
2014-03-12 02:50:49 PM

Cygnus God of Balance: Hooray for the honorable cause of ensuring more military spending, cause we don't hemorrhage nearly enough there now:


You realize the navy is doing this specifically to avoid that, right? They don't want more ships, they just want to modernize what they have.

Excessive military spending is an artifact of congress, not the military itself.
 
2014-03-12 02:54:34 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Cygnus God of Balance: Hooray for the honorable cause of ensuring more military spending, cause we don't hemorrhage nearly enough there now:
[nationalpriorities.org image 425x316]

You're right all those hospital ships and the good will missions they undertake are just wasteful.


You mean all those...USNS Mercy & USNS Comfort? All of those two? Yeah, I'm sure that's what CGoB was talking about. Good catch; I'm sure most ordinary sane people would have thought he/she was referring to the pork spent on planes the military doesn't want (for example). Thanks for clearly that up.
 
2014-03-12 02:56:43 PM
It's not the size of your fleet, it's how you use it. Right? Right? Oh....
 
2014-03-12 03:00:49 PM

Cygnus God of Balance: Indeed.  TFA required more of attention than some knee-jerk poster gave it ;)   damnitsomuch


Wait; I was supposed to read the article? When did that policy start? I didn't get the memo.
 
2014-03-12 03:01:54 PM

Carousel Beast: Cygnus God of Balance: Hooray for the honorable cause of ensuring more military spending, cause we don't hemorrhage nearly enough there now:

You realize the navy is doing this specifically to avoid that, right? They don't want more ships, they just want to modernize what they have.

Excessive military spending is an artifact of congress, not the military itself.


Yes, hence my prior reply:

"This guy knows what he's talking about.
Indeed.  TFA required more of attention than some knee-jerk poster gave it ;)   damnitsomuch"

In case that wasn't clear I was referring to myself.  I posted with my facts confused after breezing the article..  something I have lamented from others many times before lol..  but there it is..  let the lashings ensue.
 
2014-03-12 03:02:20 PM

SewerSquirrels: I didn't get the memo.


The memo was in the article.
 
2014-03-12 03:06:21 PM

Stinkyy: codigo: doesn't everyone use the +2 inches method when giving out dick length?

The Navy farking likes to measure everything.  It's all about metrics.  You could be boiling in a pot of water and they'd give you the exact temperature, heat rating, number of rivets and barometric pressure before they'd get around to the qualitative assessment.  ("Oh, you are boiling alive."


The qualitative assessment monitoring module was axed from the final system build due to funding... so they threw in a backup rivet counter to keep the integrated systems metric constant.
 
2014-03-12 03:14:39 PM

codigo: Cygnus God of Balance: Hooray for the honorable cause of ensuring more military spending, cause we don't hemorrhage nearly enough there now:
[nationalpriorities.org image 425x316]

How about we look at total spending instead

[nationalpriorities.org image 620x459]


Let's face facts and just call the military what it is.  It's a jobs program. It's very similar to Medicare and SS in that it is largely designed to help the under educated.  And with what we spend on education it's easy to see why we need to to spend so much propping that group of people up.
 
2014-03-12 03:17:12 PM
codigo:
How about we look at total spending instead

img.fark.net
Translated.
 
2014-03-12 03:42:58 PM

jagec: codigo:
How about we look at total spending instead

[img.fark.net image 753x453]
Translated.


Is that before or after subtracting the amount old people paid into social security?
 
2014-03-12 03:51:00 PM
codigo:

How about we look at total spending instead

[nationalpriorities.org image 620x459]


I fail to see how this advances your point. Unless you think we're all idiots who will look at a different pie chart and think "ooooh! smaller number! I prefer that one!".

Carousel Beast:
You realize the navy is doing this specifically to avoid that, right? They don't want more ships, they just want to modernize what they have.

Excessive military spending is an artifact of congress, not the military itself.


This is very, very true. And the top brass in the military have tried to warn us about it for quite  some time (oblig). There's a very good documentary about the military-industrial complex that's more recent than the first two links found here for free.
 
2014-03-12 03:51:37 PM

CitizenjaQ: "People should not put emphasis on the total ship count the way they do," Harrison said. "It doesn't make sense."

"A better way is looking at types of ships," he said.

No kidding. I'd rather have a single Sovereign than a whole squadron of Novas any day.

/farkin' Borg


Despite the obvious sarcasm, this is still correct.

We can't even go by names, really, since ships with the same type name have varied widely over the years.  Today's Burke class destroyer is over four times the displacement of a WWII Fletcher class, for instance-and nobody complained about counting "Escort" ships as ships back in WWII, even though those were as underpowered compared to a ship of the line of its day.  On the other hand, we're far more into force multipliers these days-such as providing healthcare via hospital ship, or staying on station longer via supply ship.

Saying that China is going to take a military action that will catch the USA with their pants down if we don't have more big bada boom ships is rich.
Why would China piss off their number one trading partner?  That's a bit of politics we didn't have back in WWII--nobody was buying stuff that had "Made In Russia" stickers on it.
 
2014-03-12 03:53:22 PM

squidgod2000: brandent: I'm pretty sure the article indicates the opposite.  The number of actual ships is decreasing but they are saying it isn't by adding in ones they never counted before.  This enables the Navy to say they still have 280 ships even after budget cuts so that people don't use the 'we have fewer ships than any time since the Barbary Pirates incidents' since people are stupid and equate number of ships with effective power.

They're also trying to dodge the "more admirals than ships" talking point. There are currently 275 admirals, but the pace of shipbuilding is slowing down faster than the pace of new admirals being promoted (beyond replacing retirees).


Actually that's new to me.  It is a bit embarrassing to say you have more chiefs than Indians.
 
2014-03-12 04:00:48 PM
SewerSquirrels:
Is that before or after subtracting the amount old people paid into social security?

This is spending, not revenue.

And the money that old people paid into SS has already been spent on previous old people, so it's pointless trying to "claim" it now.  It's a tax like any other, and while ultimately we want the government to spend tax dollars well, it's not "our" money and we have no direct say in how it's spent.
 
2014-03-12 04:05:07 PM
New definition of "ship"

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2014-03-12 04:05:55 PM

Ishidan: Why would China piss off their number one trading partner?


Who was Germany's biggest trading partner in 1938?

I doubt China is that crazy, but nation-states do things for a lot of reasons, not just trade.
 
2014-03-12 04:07:56 PM

brandent: squidgod2000: brandent: I'm pretty sure the article indicates the opposite.  The number of actual ships is decreasing but they are saying it isn't by adding in ones they never counted before.  This enables the Navy to say they still have 280 ships even after budget cuts so that people don't use the 'we have fewer ships than any time since the Barbary Pirates incidents' since people are stupid and equate number of ships with effective power.

They're also trying to dodge the "more admirals than ships" talking point. There are currently 275 admirals, but the pace of shipbuilding is slowing down faster than the pace of new admirals being promoted (beyond replacing retirees).

Actually that's new to me.  It is a bit embarrassing to say you have more chiefs than Indians.


In WW2 it was closer to 130 ships per admiral. The problem these days is that, much like the other services, so many of the "brass" positions are administrative. There have been some thoughts/weak proposals in the Army about creating two career paths for Soldiers--one that focuses on combat and one that focuses on administration--for the simple fact that a great battlefield commander doesn't make a great base commander and that many Soldiers in many positions throughout the ranks would be better served by business and administration training than combat training.
 
2014-03-12 05:01:15 PM

Cygnus God of Balance: Carousel Beast: Cygnus God of Balance: Hooray for the honorable cause of ensuring more military spending, cause we don't hemorrhage nearly enough there now:

You realize the navy is doing this specifically to avoid that, right? They don't want more ships, they just want to modernize what they have.

Excessive military spending is an artifact of congress, not the military itself.

Yes, hence my prior reply:

"This guy knows what he's talking about.
Indeed.  TFA required more of attention than some knee-jerk poster gave it ;)   damnitsomuch"

In case that wasn't clear I was referring to myself.  I posted with my facts confused after breezing the article..  something I have lamented from others many times before lol..  but there it is..  let the lashings ensue.


Ack! I missed it then - my apologies.
 
2014-03-12 05:08:32 PM

SewerSquirrels: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Cygnus God of Balance: Hooray for the honorable cause of ensuring more military spending, cause we don't hemorrhage nearly enough there now:
[nationalpriorities.org image 425x316]

You're right all those hospital ships and the good will missions they undertake are just wasteful.

You mean all those...USNS Mercy & USNS Comfort? All of those two? Yeah, I'm sure that's what CGoB was talking about. Good catch; I'm sure most ordinary sane people would have thought he/she was referring to the pork spent on planes the military doesn't want (for example). Thanks for clearly that up.


No they wouldn't.  Not if they read TFA
 
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