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2014-03-12 10:03:14 AM  
You are probably the dumbest person who has ever lived submitter. I say that not to be hurtful or because I disagree with you but so that you can take it to heart and do the rest of us a favor by not breeding and never talking to another human being ever again, lest it be catching.
 
2014-03-12 10:07:49 AM  
HOW DARE THOSE LIBERALS EXIST AND HAVE OPINIONS!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-03-12 10:11:58 AM  
I think it's more the internet than Fark.

Right wingers just aren't aware of how silly everyone else thinks they are because they only read and watch right wing things.  Like an Ayn Rand blog for instance.

(And your blog sucks).
 
2014-03-12 10:14:23 AM  
Started by Robert Baratheon, Aug 01 2013 07:42 PM

Your definition of "New" is intriguing, subby.
 
2014-03-12 10:17:08 AM  
You'll get over it
 
2014-03-12 10:28:14 AM  
just because the rightwing derp machine unsuccessfully lays siege to the queue on a daily basis does not make it a "liberal bastion".
 
2014-03-12 10:28:36 AM  

vpb: I think it's more the internet than Fark.

Right wingers just aren't aware of how silly everyone else thinks they are because they only read and watch right wing things.  Like an Ayn Rand blog for instance.

(And your blog sucks).


THIS

/I'm kinda bummed that I missed that thread.
 
2014-03-12 10:32:17 AM  

doublesecretprobation: just because the rightwing derp machine unsuccessfully lays siege to the queue on a daily basis does not make it a "liberal bastion".


or rather just because the vast majority of Farkers are smart and well educated enough to reject ideologies as stupid and badly broken as randian objectivism and radical libertarianism does not make Fark a "liberal bastion"
 
2014-03-12 10:39:51 AM  
I find it entertaining that the Robert Baratheon poster who started that thread has apparently been banned from that site.
 
2014-03-12 10:41:03 AM  
Just because we generally aren't pants-on-head retarded doesn't mean we're all Libby Liblulardo Libberson McLiblibs. I'd stake a great number of old-timers here are conservative in bent. I've even worked, on actual campaigns, to get Republicans elected here in the state. I was a card-carrying member of the party. Literally, they sent me one in the mail in the late '80s that said "Card carrying member of the Republican Party. Granted, that went to anyone who donated any kind of pocket change, but it's still a fact.

But since I don't actually think national healthcare policy should be "Let the poors die of consumption in the streets," I'm a bleeding-heart liberal communist Nazi radical socialist.

In other news smitty, you've provided us a giant cache of new libertarian strawmen to pop into threads, so this will keep us entertained for months.
 
2014-03-12 10:52:46 AM  
Nice sub, ferretface.
 
2014-03-12 10:54:48 AM  

naughtyrev: I find it entertaining that the Robert Baratheon poster who started that thread has apparently been banned from that site.


I find it amusing that this staunch defender of Libertarianism thinks of himself as a king. A king that was cuckolded, murdered and had his legacy stolen from him.
 
2014-03-12 10:55:49 AM  
Fark allows idiots to see their arguments torn apart in front of their eyes, and hear the weeping and wailing of the poor bastiches who bring the stoopid. That is survival of the fittest in action. If you don't like it, then perhaps you need a nice padded chamber that doesn't have any edges, you precious f*cking snowflake. You want a trophy for "Also Ran" as well? Go somewhere else then. Or step up your game, and actually bring something to the table.

If your arguments KEEP getting torn apart as nothing but empty air and straw, then perhaps you need to invest in better arguments. And maybe stop bringing talking points, and actually defend real actions, as opposed to constantly harping on imagined slights. Well, that and maybe stop trying to defend rucking fetarded actions, because they are on the right "side" as opposed to tearing apart bad policy and piss poor ideas. That a LOT of the politics as of late has been to try to shore up defense of policies that countermand traditional Conservatism in favor of half thought out radicalism, and even pants on head retarded economics and the beating of senseless jingoistic war drums, or just plain obstructionism doesn't mean that Fark is "Liberal" it means that folks recognize tired and just lazy thinking. If someone who is liberal puts forward a weak argument, yeah, I'll take that to task. If someone is forwarding a lazy talking point and is self identified as conservative, I take that to task. I enjoy the back and forth with folks with well thought out points, and I like to think of Fark as a way to crowd source deconstruction of policy and ideas.

If you KEEP getting sand kicked in your face every time you open your pie hole, maybe you should think about opening the f*cker in the first place.
 
2014-03-12 10:56:48 AM  

Flab: Started by Robert Baratheon, Aug 01 2013 07:42 PM

Your definition of "New" is intriguing, subby.



I'd say Robert needs to meet with a hunting accident, but then we'd wind up with Joffrey,
 
2014-03-12 10:59:46 AM  

hubiestubert: If you KEEP getting sand kicked in your face every time you open your pie hole, maybe you should think about opening the f*cker in the first place


^ This.  The only ideology on FARK is intelligence.
 
2014-03-12 11:02:26 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: The only ideology on FARK is intelligence.


lol, no. But I will grant that people on FARK tend to be better educated, more intelligent and more reasonable than the average person.
 
2014-03-12 11:06:59 AM  

Voiceofreason01: Marcus Aurelius: The only ideology on FARK is intelligence.

lol, no. But I will grant that people on FARK tend to be better educated, more intelligent and more reasonable than the average person.


OK, so we also value beer.  But you'd better bring your wits with you as well.
 
2014-03-12 11:14:43 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Voiceofreason01: Marcus Aurelius: The only ideology on FARK is intelligence.

lol, no. But I will grant that people on FARK tend to be better educated, more intelligent and more reasonable than the average person.

OK, so we also value beer.  But you'd better bring your wits with you as well.


Our chief weapon is beer. Beer and wit.

Oh, two. Our two chief weapons are beer and wit... and sarcasm.

Three! Our three chief weapons are beer and wit and sarcasm and obscure references to pop culture.

No... four... no... *Amongst* our chief weapons are...
 
2014-03-12 11:19:15 AM  
RON PAUL
 
2014-03-12 11:30:40 AM  

MrBallou: Marcus Aurelius: Voiceofreason01: Marcus Aurelius: The only ideology on FARK is intelligence.

lol, no. But I will grant that people on FARK tend to be better educated, more intelligent and more reasonable than the average person.

OK, so we also value beer.  But you'd better bring your wits with you as well.

Our chief weapon is beer. Beer and wit.

Oh, two. Our two chief weapons are beer and wit... and sarcasm.

Three! Our three chief weapons are beer and wit and sarcasm and obscure references to pop culture.

No... four... no... *Amongst* our chief weapons are...


You left out whiskey, as you know our dear founder is from Kentucky.
 
2014-03-12 11:47:20 AM  

hubiestubert: If your arguments KEEP getting torn apart as nothing but empty air and straw, then perhaps you need to invest in better arguments.


That's why I like to get my news here, or at least see it pass through the grinder.  Most places I see on the internet don't even understand when you ask for a citation or a source for an argument, much less have one that they could find.  You have to come correct around here, which even in the most pitched of rhetorical battles will at least yield good data as well as strategies for sniffing out BS in peoples' sources.

But we are outside of the Fox News - Breitbart - TownHall - Rush Limbaugh echo chamber, so we may as well be Marxists for all they care.
 
2014-03-12 11:58:02 AM  
FARK is my favorite web site. This is where I get most of my news. And, on occasion, some entertainment.
 
2014-03-12 12:04:11 PM  
Let's put it this way.  Politics in this country is so stupid that Weaver jumped ship and joined the Democrats.  Maybe the problem isn't Fark.
 
2014-03-12 12:08:16 PM  
This is not a bookmark.
 
2014-03-12 12:16:37 PM  

vpb: I think it's more the internet than Fark.

Right wingers just aren't aware of how silly everyone else thinks they are because they only read and watch right wing things.  Like an Ayn Rand blog for instance.

(And your blog sucks).


nailed it
 
2014-03-12 12:21:21 PM  

TenJed_77: MrBallou: Marcus Aurelius: Voiceofreason01: Marcus Aurelius: The only ideology on FARK is intelligence.

lol, no. But I will grant that people on FARK tend to be better educated, more intelligent and more reasonable than the average person.

OK, so we also value beer.  But you'd better bring your wits with you as well.

Our chief weapon is beer. Beer and wit.

Oh, two. Our two chief weapons are beer and wit... and sarcasm.

Three! Our three chief weapons are beer and wit and sarcasm and obscure references to pop culture.

No... four... no... *Amongst* our chief weapons are...

You left out whiskey bourbon, as you know our dear founder is from Kentucky.


FTFY
 
2014-03-12 12:30:27 PM  
I've been saying this for years. Fark has always been libertarian leaning but lately, it seems like on this website, you are not even allowed to criticise NYC mayor Bill De Blasio, who is almost a comical caricature of a left wing ideologue.
 
2014-03-12 12:42:10 PM  
So we really are at the stage of linking to other message boards?
 
2014-03-12 12:45:41 PM  

DamnYankees: So we really are at the stage of linking to other message boards?


I wouldn't say "we" are at that stage.

I'd say butthurt libertarians are at that stage.
 
2014-03-12 12:46:20 PM  
"A fairly large percentage of the posters self-identified as libertarian at the time (2005-2008)"

I wonder what was going on in that time frame that made people around here IndependentTM, and that since might have changed?
 
2014-03-12 12:49:29 PM  

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2014-03-12 12:50:05 PM  
I do remember quite a few of the 'saner' conservatives leaving about 4-5 years ago. One that sticks out is KaponoFor3, who left. Not sure why.
 
2014-03-12 12:53:53 PM  

Mentat: Let's put it this way.  Politics in this country is so stupid that Weaver jumped ship and joined the Democrats.  Maybe the problem isn't Fark.


So much this.

The real issue that "Objectivist Living" seems to have trouble grasping is that as long as "libertarians" continue to overwhelmingly support one party in particular, it's hard for the rest of us to not associate the two.

Why else do we associate "Taxed Enough Already" with opposition to marriage equality?  Where's the nexus there?
 
2014-03-12 12:55:21 PM  

naughtyrev: I find it entertaining that the Robert Baratheon poster who started that thread has apparently been banned from that site.


They found out he didn't own any Heinlein novels or Queensryche albums so they had to boot him out.

He has a wonderful collection of katanas and kendo armor, though.
 
2014-03-12 12:55:28 PM  

naughtyrev: I find it entertaining that the Robert Baratheon poster who started that thread has apparently been banned from that site.


Heh, I saw that too. I was wondering if anyone else noticed.
 
2014-03-12 12:55:30 PM  

DamnYankees: I do remember quite a few of the 'saner' conservatives leaving about 4-5 years ago. One that sticks out is KaponoFor3, who left. Not sure why.


I'm sure it has to do with the fact that those are intelligent people who were actually sticking to principle, not party....another concept lost on the randblog folks.
 
2014-03-12 12:56:52 PM  
My views on a number of things have changed over the years. Keeping well informed and bouncing around thoughts and ideas is like exercising your mind. If your views haven't shifted over time, maybe you are a close minded person.

Libertarianism has a number of interesting ideas around legalization of drugs, electoral equality, and social freedoms.  The reason Libertarianism is a red-headed stepchild of the GOP is because it seeks to combine all the anti-tax, pro-business bullsh*t with its own ideological purity. It doesn't recognize the importance of regulation in the face of multiple scandals like the poisoning of our lakes and streams by energy companies and the banking bubble. All those events happened under the nose of pro-business, anti-tax, anti-regulatory governments.

Besides which, Libertarians end up fighting among themselves about certain issues. Many can't even decide if they want a strong military or not. Many want to defund the EPA and education. F*ck. That. That's the kind of crap Rick Perry was arguing for.


For one, privatization of everything is stupid. There's already huge signs that private industry has little thought for anything that would regulate it. Private prisons for example, used their power to lobby for harsher sentencing. And making everything for-profit just ultimately results in people paying more money. The idea that government is always less efficient than big industry is an unproven one. I've worked for large companies and they suffer the same bureaucratic crap. Anyone who thinks private industry is less corrupt than government industry simply has their blinders on.

The flat tax system, while attractive to many Libertarians, is far too simplistic and increases an already unequal system of wealth distribution.  It's too short sighted to realize that fostering a growing green energy system will do long term good that private industry would otherwise ignore - in other words, tax structures can and should incent people.

Now, if I'm wrong about any of these viewpoints, they haven't been properly expressed.
 
2014-03-12 12:57:35 PM  
Do y'all think that maybe Robert Berathian submitted this because he can't post in his original thread any more?
 
2014-03-12 12:57:38 PM  
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2014-03-12 12:59:28 PM  
and the site was particularly enthusiastic about Ron Paul's candidacy in 2008.

I like how an extremely vocal RON PAUL minority becomes "the site."
 
2014-03-12 01:00:01 PM  

doyner: I'm sure it has to do with the fact that those are intelligent people who were actually sticking to principle, not party....another concept lost on the randblog folks.


I wouldn't go that far. Being a sane person doesn't make you an intelligent one. I didn't find KaponoFor3 all that intelligent, for example.

Also, hardcore libertarians and objectivists aren't really partisans. They are ideological zealouts. So I don't think that criticism really applies.
 
2014-03-12 01:03:29 PM  

doyner: Do y'all think that maybe Robert Berathian submitted this because he can't post in his original thread any more?


I'm 99% sure it's the top post in that thread (I know we're not supposed to call farkers not participating in a thread, so figure it out).

His description on that site is Ruler of Seven Kingdoms (GoT).

The top post handle, if spelled out is Ruler of sEVEn Kingdoms.
 
2014-03-12 01:03:34 PM  

DamnYankees: doyner: I'm sure it has to do with the fact that those are intelligent people who were actually sticking to principle, not party....another concept lost on the randblog folks.

I wouldn't go that far. Being a sane person doesn't make you an intelligent one. I didn't find KaponoFor3 all that intelligent, for example.

Also, hardcore libertarians and objectivists aren't really partisans. They are ideological zealouts. So I don't think that criticism really applies.


Fair enough.  I guess I was projecting my assessment of Weav on others.  I think you're right about the ideological zealotry.
 
2014-03-12 01:06:58 PM  
Also can I just add that the world is evolving, as much as no one wants to admit it. Robotics and AI are on their way in. Libertarians should understand this more than anyone. The concept of capitalism has gotten us this far, but at the expense of the environment, of poor people. It relies on constant growth, which is both unrealistic and dangerous, as we can see by the changes in climate. It doesn't factor in the possibility that we should perhaps think about slowly shrinking our world population, not expanding it. It doesn't consider the fact that wealth distribution is terrible. It's largely wasteful. It's selfish. As ideological as it is, it's not ideal for everyone.

I think people in our country largely don't see the negative impacts. We don't live in Beijing and see the smog. We don't see the trash piling up in lakes and rivers in India. We don't see the impact of deforestation or overfishing. We don't see the e-waste that is sent offshore.
 
2014-03-12 01:08:04 PM  
If by Liberal Bastion he means 'Liberal Circle Jerk', then yes.

/maximum trolling detected.jog
 
2014-03-12 01:09:39 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: If by Liberal Bastion he means 'Liberal Circle Jerk', then yes.

/maximum trolling detected.jog


I thought you had been promoted to Major Weasel by now.
 
2014-03-12 01:10:42 PM  
Reality has a liberal bias.

//Old not news is old
 
2014-03-12 01:11:01 PM  
I'm a liberal and so is my dog.
 
2014-03-12 01:13:16 PM  
The responses in this thread seems to prove the point......oh, and that liberalism is a mental disorder
 
2014-03-12 01:13:30 PM  
Somebody needs the WAAAAAHmbulance, Stat!
 
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