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(WTSP)   Woman sues hospital after failed drug test over poppy seeds, has to cancel trip to Kenya with Peterman   (wtsp.com) divider line 35
    More: Followup, Chuck DeVore, Shane Peterman, poppy seeds, physician-patient privileges, University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, Allegheny County  
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2014-03-12 10:30:51 AM
Wait until she finds out about the osteoporosis.
 
2014-03-12 11:29:57 AM
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2014-03-12 12:03:18 PM
Kenya??? Wrong country subby.

You most likely know it as Myanmar, but it will always be Burma to me.
 
2014-03-12 12:04:51 PM
"I'm afraid it's your urine, Elaine. You tested positive for opium... white lotus, yam-yam, Shanghai Sally. Oh, Elaine. The toll road of denial is a long and dangerous one. The price, your soul. Oh, and by the way you have til' the end of the day to clear out your desk. You're fired."
 
2014-03-12 12:04:54 PM

Karma Chameleon: Kenya??? Wrong country subby.

You most likely know it as Myanmar, but it will always be Burma to me.


Or nevermind, I got my episodes mixed up.

/Going to watch both now.
 
2014-03-12 12:06:49 PM
Yeah, I'm sure they are in NO WAY legally required to follow a protocol when a woman in labor tests positive for opiates.  Nope. none whatsoever...

"Poppyseeds you say? Oh, OK, we'll just go ahead and cross that off..."   *scratch* *scratch* *scratch*

"Ok,... done with that, so hows the tear to your asshole feel?".

"Oh, you're in a lot of pain and allergic to everything but Dilaudid?" *erase*  *erase*  *erase*
 
2014-03-12 12:08:05 PM
Opium  is the religion of the masses.
 
2014-03-12 12:11:24 PM
This should be pretty easy to strike down as it has been rather conclusively proven that you need to eat a LOT of poppy seeds to test positive for opium.
 
2014-03-12 12:14:57 PM
In addition to poppy seeds, there's a rather large number of prescription drugs that test false positive for narcotics.
That hospital better be relying on more than just a drug test.
 
2014-03-12 12:23:12 PM

NutWrench: In addition to poppy seeds, there's a rather large number of prescription drugs that test false positive for narcotics.
That hospital better be relying on more than just a drug test.


Just so you know... Anything with opiates is going to test positive for(Ready?) Opiates!! If you're taking something with codeine and act surprised that you might have to do some explaining at a drug test, maybe you should be taking that medication in a more "controlled" environment.

not only that, those aren't all "prescription drugs", some are OTC, and some are just vitamins. List is poorly put together.
 
2014-03-12 12:27:35 PM
Poppy got a little sloppy.
 
2014-03-12 12:29:40 PM
As someone who has to be drug tested a few times a year because of my job, you're supposed to disclose stuff like this. All prescription medicine and anything else you think will sway the test. If you're smart, you put down things like hemp oil and poppy seeds if you cook with them. The tests are pretty spectacular at telling the difference between poppy seeds and actual opiates, but better safe than sorry.
 
2014-03-12 12:31:02 PM

durbnpoisn: This should be pretty easy to strike down as it has been rather conclusively proven that you need to eat a LOT of poppy seeds to test positive for opium.


Some dishes contain a LOT of poppy seeds.  Being pregnant, maybe she had cravings for Kolache  and Mohnstrudel ?

There was a previous similar case (with a $144K payout to the victim), where it just took one poppy-seed bagel to get a positive result.
 
2014-03-12 12:31:38 PM
Why are they drug testing mothers anyways? Unless there is a really good reason for them to drug test everyone, why are they even doing it? How does that even fit into the doctor-patient relationship?

Sounds like one more reason to avoid hospitals at all costs (on top of unnecessary c sections and other crap). Suddenly the home birth crowd doesn't seem so crazy.
 
2014-03-12 12:33:37 PM

ChicagoKev: durbnpoisn: This should be pretty easy to strike down as it has been rather conclusively proven that you need to eat a LOT of poppy seeds to test positive for opium.

Some dishes contain a LOT of poppy seeds.  Being pregnant, maybe she had cravings for Kolache  and Mohnstrudel ?

There was a previous similar case (with a $144K payout to the victim), where it just took one poppy-seed bagel to get a positive result.


I heard this too.. I though it only took 1 poppy seed bagel to test positive.  Maybe there's a LOT of poppy seeds in a poppy seed bagel..
 
2014-03-12 12:48:05 PM

adamatari: Why are they drug testing mothers anyways? Unless there is a really good reason for them to drug test everyone, why are they even doing it? How does that even fit into the doctor-patient relationship?

Sounds like one more reason to avoid hospitals at all costs (on top of unnecessary c sections and other crap). Suddenly the home birth crowd doesn't seem so crazy.


Nurse: Are you on any recreational drugs?
Patient: Yes.

Said no patient ever.

Hence we test.

We've had people suddenly test positive DURING THEIR STAY. One guy was doing coke in his farking room. His visitors were apparently giving it to him. When asked, he said he didn't do drugs.

Pain killers don't work as well when you're a drug user, among other things. So we ask, they lie, we test, we show them the results, they continue to lie, so we dose them with enough meds to kill a small horse so they can achieve some level of pain relief.
 
2014-03-12 12:50:13 PM

adamatari: Why are they drug testing mothers anyways? Unless there is a really good reason for them to drug test everyone, why are they even doing it? How does that even fit into the doctor-patient relationship?

Sounds like one more reason to avoid hospitals at all costs (on top of unnecessary c sections and other crap). Suddenly the home birth crowd doesn't seem so crazy.


I'm guessing its one of the poors.
 
2014-03-12 12:58:26 PM
I was told by my probation officers back in the 90's (when I was doing heroin) that you would need to eat a bucket of poppy seeds for it to skew a UA.

Color me skeptical.
 
2014-03-12 12:59:11 PM

ChuckRoddy: Nurse: Are you on any recreational drugs?
Patient: Yes.

Said no patient ever.


Apparently you aren't from Appalachia. Some of our patients are darn proud of their drug use.
 
2014-03-12 01:22:40 PM
I work as heavy equipment operator.
I once failed a UA when I tested positive for opiates.
It was traced back to the fact I put poppy seed dressing on EVERYTHING.
Stopped using dressing for 21 days and passed test.
I was put on leave with no pay for those 21 days.
(Ended up getting the pay back when i passed the second test)
I have no faith in these tests.

CSB
 
2014-03-12 01:29:31 PM
Didn't mythbusters do this?
 
2014-03-12 01:31:04 PM

Dirtybird971: I was told by my probation officers back in the 90's (when I was doing heroin) that you would need to eat a bucket of poppy seeds for it to skew a UA.

Color me skeptical.


Heroin is so passé.
 
2014-03-12 02:03:23 PM

topgun4291: Didn't mythbusters do this?


Yes.

"One high-profile demonstration of the validity of poppy seed drug test claims was conducted by the Discovery Channel television program called "Mythbusters." One participant ate a poppy seed cake and tested positive for opiates a ½-hour later. The other participant ate three poppy seed bagels and tested positive two hours later. Both parties continued to test positive for 16 hours. "
 
2014-03-12 02:41:58 PM

MemeSlave: Dirtybird971: I was told by my probation officers back in the 90's (when I was doing heroin) that you would need to eat a bucket of poppy seeds for it to skew a UA.

Color me skeptical.

Heroin is so passé.


Still it's good for killing shiatty actors
 
2014-03-12 03:03:40 PM

ChicagoKev: topgun4291: Didn't mythbusters do this?

Yes.

"One high-profile demonstration of the validity of poppy seed drug test claims was conducted by the Discovery Channel television program called "Mythbusters." One participant ate a poppy seed cake and tested positive for opiates a ½-hour later. The other participant ate three poppy seed bagels and tested positive two hours later. Both parties continued to test positive for 16 hours. "


3 bagels?  Who the fark can eat 3 bagels in one sitting?
 
2014-03-12 03:48:23 PM

Smeggy Smurf: MemeSlave: Dirtybird971: I was told by my probation officers back in the 90's (when I was doing heroin) that you would need to eat a bucket of poppy seeds for it to skew a UA.

Color me skeptical.

Heroin is so passé.

Still it's good for killing shiatty actors


Plus it hasn't hurt my music collection.
 
2014-03-12 04:18:01 PM

ChuckRoddy: adamatari: Why are they drug testing mothers anyways? Unless there is a really good reason for them to drug test everyone, why are they even doing it? How does that even fit into the doctor-patient relationship?

Sounds like one more reason to avoid hospitals at all costs (on top of unnecessary c sections and other crap). Suddenly the home birth crowd doesn't seem so crazy.

Nurse: Are you on any recreational drugs?
Patient: Yes.

Said no patient ever.

Hence we test.

We've had people suddenly test positive DURING THEIR STAY. One guy was doing coke in his farking room. His visitors were apparently giving it to him. When asked, he said he didn't do drugs.

Pain killers don't work as well when you're a drug user, among other things. So we ask, they lie, we test, we show them the results, they continue to lie, so we dose them with enough meds to kill a small horse so they can achieve some level of pain relief.


Or if the mother is a user they have to be prepared for the possibility that the baby is born addicted or prepare for complications because of the drug use. It is better to be out in front of these things and prepared instead of trying to react to it after.
 
2014-03-12 04:27:45 PM
This should be pretty easy to win as it has been rather conclusively proven that depending on the sensitivity of the test, eating a poppy seed bagel tests positive for opium.

Snopes Link
 
2014-03-12 04:30:51 PM

KierzanDax: This should be pretty easy to win as it has been rather conclusively proven that depending on the sensitivity of the test, eating a poppy seed bagel tests positive for opium.

Snopes Link


I don't see what there is to win? Most likely there is a law that states if a expecting mother test positive for drugs, the hospital has to call CPS. There was a positive test so they had to follow procedure.
 
2014-03-12 04:39:20 PM

adamatari: Why are they drug testing mothers anyways? Unless there is a really good reason for them to drug test everyone, why are they even doing it? How does that even fit into the doctor-patient relationship?

Sounds like one more reason to avoid hospitals at all costs (on top of unnecessary c sections and other crap). Suddenly the home birth crowd doesn't seem so crazy.


They test women and do things like this all of the time. There was an article on cnn today about a mmj patient who just had her infant removed due to marijuana being in the home, even though they have valid mmj cards. There are a lot of pregnant women being given conflicting advice about pain meds and stopping use or weaning down, some of the advice endangers their unborn babies. Stopping opioids cold turkey can kill a fetus/baby. When I had my son over the summer, I didn't volunteer that my doctor had me continue my pain management until 32 weeks, because it's a witch hunt. I'm guessing I passed my drug test, nothing happened to me or my son.
 
2014-03-12 05:03:11 PM

adamatari: Why are they drug testing mothers anyways? Unless there is a really good reason for them to drug test everyone, why are they even doing it? How does that even fit into the doctor-patient relationship?

Sounds like one more reason to avoid hospitals at all costs (on top of unnecessary c sections and other crap). Suddenly the home birth crowd doesn't seem so crazy.


I go to Mythbusters. They did this there first or second season. And yes. You can test positive for a couple days after eating. Also I dont know if it is required by the state. But most states do a Full blood test with drug alcohol testing and Aids panel when a mother comes in.
 
2014-03-12 05:44:16 PM

topgun4291: Didn't mythbusters do this?


Yes. Absolutely confirmed that eating a single poppy bagel or muffin will give a false positive on the most commonly used field testing kits for more than a day afterward.
 
2014-03-12 06:56:03 PM
A thought occurs: who f*cking cares if this was a mom?
Yes, I know the circumstances of the story, but let's say this had been a single man applying for a job?

Maybe, just maybe, the drug tests themselves should be looked at as a potential problem? Or the invasion of privacy?
 
2014-03-12 09:36:01 PM

Ringshadow: As someone who has to be drug tested a few times a year because of my job, you're supposed to disclose stuff like this. All prescription medicine and anything else you think will sway the test. If you're smart, you put down things like hemp oil and poppy seeds if you cook with them. The tests are pretty spectacular at telling the difference between poppy seeds and actual opiates, but better safe than sorry.


I think she was more then likely a little busy pushing out a little person from her vagina and plumb forgot to mention the bagel she ate that morning.
 
2014-03-13 12:53:02 AM

puffy999: A thought occurs: who f*cking cares if this was a mom?
Yes, I know the circumstances of the story, but let's say this had been a single man applying for a job?

Maybe, just maybe, the drug tests themselves should be looked at as a potential problem? Or the invasion of privacy?


Yeap.

And as for the nurse above with 'drugs might effect pain relief', that's not the nurses problem, if the patient says "No" and still has pain then I am pretty sure it's the patients problem.

Cannot believe a) they test for drugs without asking permission and b) that a positive on a crappy test is all it takes to contact familiy services.  What ever happened to doctor/patient privilege?
 
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