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2014-03-12 10:23:16 AM  
Cerebral Ballsy:
No debris found is evidence of zilch. It hasn't been found *yet*.

That's quite true, but given that it (maybe) went down in the gulf of Thailand in no more than 100 meters of water, one would think it would be spotted pretty quickly.
 
2014-03-12 10:23:17 AM  

ummhima2: Cerebral Ballsy: italie: Dansker: Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

Yup.

If the guys story rings true, it's down to the logical now.


Scenario 1) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is alive and flying what is left to fly. Radio is dead, transponder dead, flying by visual. Run out of gas before they find a point to land.

Scenario 2) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is dead from smoke inhalation/hypoxia. Plane continues on flying with the auto pilot on until it runs out of gas.

When a plane catches fire, it goes down in flames within minutes.

Have you ever seen a structure fire? I have. It take a few minutes to destroy a room or a car. A plane doesn't last an hour on fire. There's no cruising on autopilot while the passengers and crew's corpses lie dead from smoke inhalation. The crew's oxygen drops down and they either navigate safely to a landing site or the plane disintegrates in the air while the crew tries to control it. Fire moves fast.

Payne Stewart 1999


Why do you guys keep referring to the Payne Stewart Learjet? I have no idea how a Learjet functions but a 777 has an alarm that sounds in the cockpit when there is cabin depressurization.

I was talking about fire. Hypoxia is a whole other issue and not likely to have occurred. Besides the audible alarm, the crew's oxygen masks would have deployed. It's almost impossible for hypoxia to be the cause.
 
2014-03-12 10:24:04 AM  
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2014-03-12 10:24:25 AM  

Confabulat: And does anyone remember a time when you could talk about Airport movies without giggling about Airplane?

I'd guess Airplane is far more remembered now than the movies it was inspired by, weird.


Yeah, Zero Hour! isn't well known at all.
 
2014-03-12 10:25:10 AM  

nekom: Cerebral Ballsy:
No debris found is evidence of zilch. It hasn't been found *yet*.

That's quite true, but given that it (maybe) went down in the gulf of Thailand in no more than 100 meters of water, one would think it would be spotted pretty quickly.


Why would one think that? You can't see more than 30 meters down usually. You need a sub to see 100 meters.
 
2014-03-12 10:28:02 AM  

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2014-03-12 10:28:49 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: italie: Dansker: Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

Yup.

If the guys story rings true, it's down to the logical now.


Scenario 1) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is alive and flying what is left to fly. Radio is dead, transponder dead, flying by visual. Run out of gas before they find a point to land.

Scenario 2) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is dead from smoke inhalation/hypoxia. Plane continues on flying with the auto pilot on until it runs out of gas.

When a plane catches fire, it goes down in flames within minutes.

Have you ever seen a structure fire? I have. It take a few minutes to destroy a room or a car. A plane doesn't last an hour on fire. There's no cruising on autopilot while the passengers and crew's corpses lie dead from smoke inhalation. The crew's oxygen drops down and they either navigate safely to a landing site or the plane disintegrates in the air while the crew tries to control it. Fire moves fast.


You are incorrect.
 
2014-03-12 10:29:09 AM  
Damn you, downward spiraling. Terrified passengers were involved. Straight into water she went. RIP, passengers.
 
2014-03-12 10:29:19 AM  

Doc Daneeka: The ending of that show has to be one of the most widely misunderstood endings of any TV show ever.  No, they didn't all die in the crash.  No, they weren't in purgatory the whole time. Yeesh.  If you stopped watching after the first season, your interpretation of the ending is probably wrong.

People love to criticize the show, especially its ending, but IMO there hasn't been a SciFi/Fantasy drama on TV as well-done and compelling since.  It was hell of a fun ride while it was on.  The only other similar show I felt the same way about was the X-Files.


I think the ending was pretty clear. After the crash, and before they were all in the church, they
 
2014-03-12 10:30:14 AM  

Galileo's Daughter: Confabulat: Langoliers!

SCARING THE LITTLE GIRL??!


nope news now showing building explosion collapse and fire in harlem close enough to grand central that trains are temporarily delayed until further notice few thousand miles away i git skeered when some asshat whack job in a country that barely has a 50% literacy rate starts trying to blow up all the emergency services...did i mention that the only firetruck i have seen in 8 years says EOD on the side and local yokkels do weird stuff like walk boom sniffing dogs through the neighbor hood

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/24953208/nypd-respond-to-reports-of-bui ld ing-explosion
 
2014-03-12 10:34:45 AM  

italie: Dansker: Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

Yup.

If the guys story rings true, it's down to the logical now.


Scenario 1) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is alive and flying what is left to fly. Radio is dead, transponder dead, flying by visual. Run out of gas before they find a point to land.

Scenario 2) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is dead from smoke inhalation/hypoxia. Plane continues on flying with the auto pilot on until it runs out of gas.


My problem with the "electronics went out, and the pilots had to fly using visuals only" is that a lot of people have smartphones now, and nearly every smartphone I know of has GPS. Of the 239 people on the plane, someone would have a smartphone with GPS with an offline mapping software (Google Maps cache even). If nothing else, there's likely to have been dozens and dozens of GPS-enabled phones that would have been able to at least give the flight crew lat/lon coordinates to direct their flight (there are many GPS apps that just give lat/lon/altitude information without needing access to the internet or needing cell service).  As such, the crew should have been able to get the plane to an airport if flight controls were not significantly compromised.

If the plane did indeed change course by nearly 150 degrees as the Malaysian military suggested happened, that implies to me that it was deliberate. It's possible ,of course, that the crew was disabled, and someone somehow changed the autopilot path, but that seems no more likely than several other hypotheses.  Heck, I've come across several reports that say that the last known location according to military radar was over the Strait of Malacca at an altitude of 32,000', which means that the plane may NOT have dropped in altitude when it was flying back to the southwest.  That's second-hand or third-hand information, though.

I'm shocked that large commercial jets aren't tracked in real-time now. It's 2014 for crying out loud, but we can't find a way to put satellite-based communications on aircraft to allow it to report real-time flight data? Heck, if there are questions about the logistics of handling so much flight data from the global fleet of commercial jets, just put in a system that would only transmit the most important flight information (lat/lon, altitude, heading, speed, etc.) when the flight deviates appreciably from the flight plan.  This really doesn't sound like rocket science here...
 
2014-03-12 10:35:15 AM  
Cerebral Ballsy:
Why would one think that? You can't see more than 30 meters down usually. You need a sub to see 100 meters.

Air France went down in thousands of feet of water in the middle of the ocean, yet within a few days there was significant debris and even bodies found.  TWA 800 exploded in mid-air, yet there was a significant debris field including fire on the ocean surface.  Half a dozen nations are out there looking with tons of assets.  It's just puzzling that nobody has found something, ANYTHING, yet.  A seat cushion, a suitcase, anything.
 
2014-03-12 10:35:51 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: ummhima2: Cerebral Ballsy: italie: Dansker: Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

Yup.

If the guys story rings true, it's down to the logical now.


Scenario 1) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is alive and flying what is left to fly. Radio is dead, transponder dead, flying by visual. Run out of gas before they find a point to land.

Scenario 2) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is dead from smoke inhalation/hypoxia. Plane continues on flying with the auto pilot on until it runs out of gas.

When a plane catches fire, it goes down in flames within minutes.

Have you ever seen a structure fire? I have. It take a few minutes to destroy a room or a car. A plane doesn't last an hour on fire. There's no cruising on autopilot while the passengers and crew's corpses lie dead from smoke inhalation. The crew's oxygen drops down and they either navigate safely to a landing site or the plane disintegrates in the air while the crew tries to control it. Fire moves fast.

Payne Stewart 1999

Why do you guys keep referring to the Payne Stewart Learjet? I have no idea how a Learjet functions but a 777 has an alarm that sounds in the cockpit when there is cabin depressurization.

I was talking about fire. Hypoxia is a whole other issue and not likely to have occurred. Besides the audible alarm, the crew's oxygen masks would have deployed. It's almost impossible for hypoxia to be the cause.


if your read the accident report the oxygen masks did drop but there was no delivery of oxygen to the masks so hypoxia and yes most planes have a fire alarm warning light thingy with audio similar to "fire in left engine, fire in left engine"

http://planecrashinfo.com/1999/1999-60.htm

it also veered off course in a similar way
 
2014-03-12 10:37:40 AM  

This text is now purple: Yeah, Zero Hour! isn't well known at all.


Never heard of it. Bet I'm not in the minority either.
 
2014-03-12 10:38:11 AM  

Doc Daneeka: The ending of that show has to be one of the most widely misunderstood endings of any TV show ever.  No, they didn't all die in the crash.  No, they weren't in purgatory the whole time. Yeesh.  If you stopped watching after the first season, your interpretation of the ending is probably wrong.

People love to criticize the show, especially its ending, but IMO there hasn't been a SciFi/Fantasy drama on TV as well-done and compelling since.  It was hell of a fun ride while it was on.  The only other similar show I felt the same way about was the X-Files.


The problem I had with the ending was that it SEEMED like it was building to something more interesting, like the nuke created an alternate timeline and the two were briefly existing simultaneously until a universe-destroying paradox worked itself out, with Desmond being key to choosing what version of events happens. But the way that it worked out, the whole alternate universe was just an afterlife fantasy, so it really never amounted to anything dramatically. Half of the final season turned into "it was just a dream", which was crap.

THAT'S what annoyed fans. The show could have done so much more with the last season with the story elements that were there, but in the end half of the season was just wasted on a happy ending fantasy world.
 
2014-03-12 10:41:57 AM  

nekom: Cerebral Ballsy:
Why would one think that? You can't see more than 30 meters down usually. You need a sub to see 100 meters.

Air France went down in thousands of feet of water in the middle of the ocean, yet within a few days there was significant debris and even bodies found.  TWA 800 exploded in mid-air, yet there was a significant debris field including fire on the ocean surface.  Half a dozen nations are out there looking with tons of assets.  It's just puzzling that nobody has found something, ANYTHING, yet.  A seat cushion, a suitcase, anything.


Just because it's not been found yet doesn't mean it's not there. They haven't even agreed on where to look. There Air France flight was found in several days because it was still on the flight path, did you know that? This flight wasn't on its flight path. His flight turned around. No one knows where it was.
 
2014-03-12 10:44:49 AM  
Cerebral Ballsy:
Just because it's not been found yet doesn't mean it's not there. They haven't even agreed on where to look. There Air France flight was found in several days because it was still on the flight path, did you know that? This flight wasn't on its flight path. His flight turned around. No one knows where it was.

We're not sure it turned around.  The Malaysian government is either hiding something (unlikely) or totally incompetent.  They said they had a primary track out west that they believed was the plane, but now they seem to be backing off on that.  This whole SAR operation seems to be an absolute clusterfark.  And if it DID in fact turn west and kept going beyond radar range, it's likely deep at the bottom of the Indian ocean where it may never be found.
 
2014-03-12 10:45:32 AM  

Confabulat: This text is now purple: Yeah, Zero Hour! isn't well known at all.

Never heard of it. Bet I'm not in the minority either.


Surely you can't be serious.
 
2014-03-12 10:49:35 AM  

nekom: Cerebral Ballsy:
Just because it's not been found yet doesn't mean it's not there. They haven't even agreed on where to look. There Air France flight was found in several days because it was still on the flight path, did you know that? This flight wasn't on its flight path. His flight turned around. No one knows where it was.

We're not sure it turned around.  The Malaysian government is either hiding something (unlikely) or totally incompetent.  They said they had a primary track out west that they believed was the plane, but now they seem to be backing off on that.  This whole SAR operation seems to be an absolute clusterfark.  And if it DID in fact turn west and kept going beyond radar range, it's likely deep at the bottom of the Indian ocean where it may never be found.


I think between the crowd sourcing and the intense news coverage, it'll be found. Despite the massive clusterfark. And what could they be covering up? What.. A terrorist act? Why cover that up?

Simplest answer = most likely answer IMHO
 
2014-03-12 10:49:35 AM  

nekom: Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

A catastrophic failure of any sort could account for the lack of any mayday.  Don't forget the priorities of a pilot are in this order:  Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.  While wrestling a doomed airliner, it's not of any particular use to radio in:  "Hey, we're boned.  Like ROYALLY boned over here.  You can't help us, and I've got a lot on my hands, but I'd just like to let you guys know how farking screwed we are.  Over."

But... where's the debris?



My thought is the debris is on the side of some mountain somewhere, which is why all the ocean searching isn't finding anything.
 
2014-03-12 10:51:00 AM  
Sounds like Sum Ting Wong is up to his old tricks again.
 
2014-03-12 10:56:16 AM  

ummhima2: all this talk about the plane reappearing somewhere suddenly and something just went boom in new york


Building explosion in East Harlem
http://www.ny1.com/content/news/205127/continuing-coverage--crews-on -s cene-of-east-harlem-building-explosion
 
2014-03-12 10:59:42 AM  
I'm going with meteor strike.
 
2014-03-12 11:01:48 AM  
The idea that the plane (and people) may have vanished into the ocean deep and far enough off course to not be found/recovered reminds me of the flight that drilled down into the Everglades. Nothing recoverable and there is now a memorial at the site.

A friend of mine, unfamiliar with the 'glades, had a bit of a struggle understanding how that particular crash ended. "What do you mean, it just is *gone*?"

"Missing and unknown forever" would be so painful for families - I hope they find something definitive soon no matter how bad.
 
2014-03-12 11:11:29 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Doc Daneeka: The ending of that show has to be one of the most widely misunderstood endings of any TV show ever.  No, they didn't all die in the crash.  No, they weren't in purgatory the whole time. Yeesh.  If you stopped watching after the first season, your interpretation of the ending is probably wrong.

People love to criticize the show, especially its ending, but IMO there hasn't been a SciFi/Fantasy drama on TV as well-done and compelling since.  It was hell of a fun ride while it was on.  The only other similar show I felt the same way about was the X-Files.

The problem I had with the ending was that it SEEMED like it was building to something more interesting, like the nuke created an alternate timeline and the two were briefly existing simultaneously until a universe-destroying paradox worked itself out, with Desmond being key to choosing what version of events happens. But the way that it worked out, the whole alternate universe was just an afterlife fantasy, so it really never amounted to anything dramatically. Half of the final season turned into "it was just a dream", which was crap.

THAT'S what annoyed fans. The show could have done so much more with the last season with the story elements that were there, but in the end half of the season was just wasted on a happy ending fantasy world.


What annoyed me was that the creators outright lied to the fans.  They said in an interview that every question had an answer and would be answered before the series ended.  They left SO much hanging it was ludicrous.
 
2014-03-12 11:12:16 AM  

Ned Stark: doomjesse: I try not to be a comspiracy nut job, but does this whole thing seem crazy from beginning to end? I mean plane disappears(usually when a plane crashes isn't there some sign of trouble or radio reports or something?), then we hear two people used stolen passports to get on board (but within a day we are told they "probably" weren't terrorists), now we are told no one even knows if the plane turned around? I'm not an engineer but wouldn't you see a long curving arc? It's not like you can throw it in reverse.

Why couldn't you just throw it in reverse?



....... because the jet stream and slip stream would be crossed.

Never do that.
 
2014-03-12 11:14:17 AM  

parasol: The idea that the plane (and people) may have vanished into the ocean deep and far enough off course to not be found/recovered reminds me of the flight that drilled down into the Everglades. Nothing recoverable and there is now a memorial at the site.

A friend of mine, unfamiliar with the 'glades, had a bit of a struggle understanding how that particular crash ended. "What do you mean, it just is *gone*?"

"Missing and unknown forever" would be so painful for families - I hope they find something definitive soon no matter how bad.


Especially given the roller coaster ride they've been through so far.  Their plane is almost certainly crashed and they're dead!? FARK!  Wait, they turned and went another 300 miles?  Maybe there's hope still!  Oh wait, you mean maybe they didn't?

It's gotta suck.
 
2014-03-12 11:18:36 AM  

WxGuy1: I'm shocked that large commercial jets aren't tracked in real-time now.


They are, using their transponders.  Switch the transponder off and it's difficult to track oceanic flights.  Radar has a limited range, and we can't cover all the ocean with it.

It's coming down to A)  The transponder was switched off, which means terrorism, or B)  The transponder, communications, and flight controls all failed simultaneously, which means something broke in an outrageously unlikely way.
 
2014-03-12 11:23:11 AM  

nekom: parasol: The idea that the plane (and people) may have vanished into the ocean deep and far enough off course to not be found/recovered reminds me of the flight that drilled down into the Everglades. Nothing recoverable and there is now a memorial at the site.

A friend of mine, unfamiliar with the 'glades, had a bit of a struggle understanding how that particular crash ended. "What do you mean, it just is *gone*?"

"Missing and unknown forever" would be so painful for families - I hope they find something definitive soon no matter how bad.

Especially given the roller coaster ride they've been through so far.  Their plane is almost certainly crashed and they're dead!? FARK!  Wait, they turned and went another 300 miles?  Maybe there's hope still!  Oh wait, you mean maybe they didn't?

It's gotta suck.


csb

My wife's grandparents (well, step grandparents, that is to say, her step sisters grandparents) died in a small plane crash a few years ago.  The family didn't know until the following morning when news crews arrived at their front door to interveiw them about it. It was just awful. Especialyl considering they were flying home early from a wedding because my wife's step brother was just in a serious motorcycle accident and they wanted to be with their grandson when he was out of surgery...

/csb
 
2014-03-12 11:23:27 AM  

serialsuicidebomber: Ned Stark: doomjesse: I try not to be a comspiracy nut job, but does this whole thing seem crazy from beginning to end? I mean plane disappears(usually when a plane crashes isn't there some sign of trouble or radio reports or something?), then we hear two people used stolen passports to get on board (but within a day we are told they "probably" weren't terrorists), now we are told no one even knows if the plane turned around? I'm not an engineer but wouldn't you see a long curving arc? It's not like you can throw it in reverse.

Why couldn't you just throw it in reverse?


....... because the jet stream and slip stream would be crossed.

Never do that.


So it would, what, crash the plane?
 
2014-03-12 11:35:46 AM  
Was it flight  4-8-15-16-23-42?
 
2014-03-12 11:40:10 AM  

nekom: A catastrophic failure of any sort could account for the lack of any mayday.  Don't forget the priorities of a pilot are in this order:  Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.  While wrestling a doomed airliner, it's not of any particular use to radio in:  "Hey, we're boned.  Like ROYALLY boned over here.  You can't help us, and I've got a lot on my hands, but I'd just like to let you guys know how farking screwed we are.  Over."

But... where's the debris?



I'm thinking a catastrophic failure of electronics/electrical, but they still had flight control.  Enough control to attempt a water landing a la Miracle On The Hudson.  The pilot dumps excess fuel prior to landing, so no oil slick.  The plane sinks before anything or anyone can get out, so there's no debris.  The emergency slides double as rafts for water landings, but they're tiny in a big ocean.  Not sure how long they would remain inflated, especially in moderate to rough seas.
 
2014-03-12 11:53:19 AM  

WxGuy1: I'm shocked that large commercial jets aren't tracked in real-time now. It's 2014 for crying out loud, but we can't find a way to put satellite-based communications on aircraft to allow it to report real-time flight data? Heck, if there are questions about the logistics of handling so much flight data from the global fleet of commercial jets, just put in a system that would only transmit the most important flight information (lat/lon, altitude, heading, speed, etc.) when the flight deviates appreciably from the flight plan.  This really doesn't sound like rocket science here...


Watched a news segment where an aviation expert commented about this.  Given the large number of planes in the air and the cost of satellite comms, it's not economically feasible nor justified given the near-perfect safety record of today's airlines.  How many have been lost over water in the past decade??

I suggest a sea-based chain of floats, anchored along the Great Circle flight paths where planes are beyond land-based radar range (about 120 miles, IIRC).  The system would collect data from just those limited number of planes and store the data.  If a plane is lost, the data from each float is collected to isolate the last known position.  Data storage would overwrite old data after a few days, so you don't need Tbs of storage.

No reason to use sats to track all flights when ground-based radar can capture most of them already.  Just need something to cover the gaps in coverage for the limited number of long-range overseas flights.
 
2014-03-12 11:58:03 AM  

Bendal: My thought is the debris is on the side of some mountain somewhere, which is why all the ocean searching isn't finding anything.


But there's no automatic ping from the black boxes.  They're designed to start pinging in case of a land crash, just like the pinging if they crash into water.  Nothing from EITHER system, which has people really freaked out.

The plane might be underneath a triple-canopy jungle, but would that stop a radio signal from a black box???
 
2014-03-12 12:09:16 PM  
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2014-03-12 12:11:40 PM  

nekom: Cerebral Ballsy:
Just because it's not been found yet doesn't mean it's not there. They haven't even agreed on where to look. There Air France flight was found in several days because it was still on the flight path, did you know that? This flight wasn't on its flight path. His flight turned around. No one knows where it was.

We're not sure it turned around.   The Malaysian government is either hiding something (unlikely) or totally incompetent.  They said they had a primary track out west that they believed was the plane, but now they seem to be backing off on that.  This whole SAR operation seems to be an absolute clusterfark.  And if it DID in fact turn west and kept going beyond radar range, it's likely deep at the bottom of the Indian ocean where it may never be found.


Its looking more and more like the real news would be destabilsing to world affairs.
Trillions would be lost in the world stock markets.
War drums would be drummn
some leaders got the spins
Dramamine won't help.
 
2014-03-12 12:21:17 PM  

nekom: thamike: It's actually beginning to sound a lot more like Air France flight 447, but with completely inept, constantly squabbling search parties.  And it took those guys a month to determine it crashed and two years to recover the black boxes.  So I wouldn't hold your breath.

Actually, no.  Debris from AF447 surfaced within a day or two, exactly where they expected it would be based on the ACARS data.  Yes it did take them 2 years to find the black boxes because they were in about 15,000 feet of water, but floating debris and in fact bodies were recovered within days.


Plus, the ACARS data was full of worsening anomalies, and the existence of that data started being mentioned by the press within the first several hours of the plane being declared overdue.  It was a big mystery WHAT happened and why, but not where or what the fate of the plane was.
 
2014-03-12 12:33:15 PM  

SpdrJay: So it makes no sense and insults your intelligence?


That's typically what low IQ people say about Lost. Perhaps you should stick to watching procedural cop shows and Dance Moms. That might be more your speed.
 
2014-03-12 12:37:30 PM  
WxGuy1:

"......I'm shocked that large commercial jets aren't tracked in real-time now. It's 2014 for crying out loud, but we can't find a way to put satellite-based communications on aircraft to allow it to report real-time flight data? ....."


The thing i hate about aircraft & the people that run that show is the scrimping of nickles and dimes when so many lives are bet upon perfect conditions.
Planes could easily be tracked, weigh 20% more, have ejection capsules, stronger components etc.
Ticket prices could triple and pretty much the same number of people would fly...

The way it is now, almost any minor flaw out of thousands of possible failures can doom everyone on board, sometimes while on or near the ground.
Maybe its time we mark up the cost of air travel and pay for a few simple safety features.
 There is no reason a cabin full of people should have to die because the engines quit.

Airlines currently saving a few bucks on black boxes and realtime tracking is stupid,
just look at the money being spent now, because of  airline corporate greed.
All the airlines should be tolled for the costs of the searches, and passengers should be tolled for the costs of improvements.

The cabin could be outfitted as a detachable re-entry vehicle, parachutes, etc.
No one is even working on solutions like that, which is why my idea sounds preposterous.
 Humans have no business flying if they refuse to solve these simple problems.
 
2014-03-12 12:37:57 PM  

Shepherd: WxGuy1: I'm shocked that large commercial jets aren't tracked in real-time now.

They are, using their transponders.  Switch the transponder off and it's difficult to track oceanic flights.  Radar has a limited range, and we can't cover all the ocean with it.

It's coming down to A)  The transponder was switched off, which means terrorism, or B)  The transponder, communications, and flight controls all failed simultaneously, which means something broke in an outrageously unlikely way.


There are large gaps in radio coverage in that area. It is possible the transpoder/ADS was functional, just not picked up.
 
2014-03-12 12:51:50 PM  
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They're looking in the wrong place!
 
2014-03-12 01:23:49 PM  

indy_kid: nekom: A catastrophic failure of any sort could account for the lack of any mayday.  Don't forget the priorities of a pilot are in this order:  Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.  While wrestling a doomed airliner, it's not of any particular use to radio in:  "Hey, we're boned.  Like ROYALLY boned over here.  You can't help us, and I've got a lot on my hands, but I'd just like to let you guys know how farking screwed we are.  Over."

But... where's the debris?


I'm thinking a catastrophic failure of electronics/electrical, but they still had flight control.  Enough control to attempt a water landing a la Miracle On The Hudson.  The pilot dumps excess fuel prior to landing, so no oil slick.  The plane sinks before anything or anyone can get out, so there's no debris.  The emergency slides double as rafts for water landings, but they're tiny in a big ocean.  Not sure how long they would remain inflated, especially in moderate to rough seas.


But do intact planes sink that quickly before passengers can get out? The Wiki on flights landing on water suggests that intact planes can float for quite a bit.
 
2014-03-12 01:38:04 PM  

Witness99: I heard a report this morning that family members are STILL able to call the cell phones. How? If not destroyed in a catastrophic crash, wouldn't they have lost their charge by now?


www6.pcmag.com

/we are going backwards
 
2014-03-12 01:48:52 PM  

ummhima2: Dansker: I swear I didn't spell followers of Shia Islam that way. Stupid filter.

that is how a lot of people spell it

supposedly the two on stolen passports were actually part of illegal immigration/human trafficking ring

do the recent statistics show that a terrorist involved in a mass murder is more likely to be middle age, white, home grown nut, and more increasingly christian and most importantly has a family that swears the person was mentally ill so why dont we wait until the plane turns up


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2014-03-12 01:56:19 PM  

Witness99: I heard a report this morning that family members are STILL able to call the cell phones. How? If not destroyed in a catastrophic crash, wouldn't they have lost their charge by now?


yeah, this is a load of dingo's kidneys.  those phones are either sitting with dead batteries or underwater.

Sure you can call them.  Let me know when someone answers.
 
2014-03-12 01:57:39 PM  
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2014-03-12 02:20:33 PM  
My Conspiracy Theory: Someone (Russians perhaps) wanted something or someone on the flight, so waited till it was out to sea, took over (or just paid off the pilot), disabled the transmitters, and flew it to a waiting private/military airstrip.

Okay, I don't think that's very likely, but until we get some debris it's more fun than 'It crashed.'
 
2014-03-12 03:52:56 PM  
Never attribute to a vast, complex, carefully orchestrated conspiracy of evil super-geniuses that which is adequately explained by the pants-on-head, potato-level bungling of incompetent bureaucrats.

The Malaysian authorities appear to simply have no farking idea what happened, inadequate systems in place to record any clues to what happened, and have done a poor job of communicating to the public, the press, and to search partners.

As for "somebody must have seen something", it's a part of the world where many people at sea have no desire to interact with authorities either because they're up to no particular good (piracy, slavery, drugs), or they've got bigger concerns on their plates (getting a catch to market so they don't starve this week), or no channel through which to report anything. They may not even know that what they've seen is significant amongst the other trash that floats in the sea.
 
2014-03-12 04:31:59 PM  
If the transponder is the only reliable way of tracking commercial airliners, why in the fark is there an OFF switch on them?

Is there any legitimate reason that you wouldn't want to be trackable (unless you're taking that 777 for a ride to visit your mistress?)
 
2014-03-12 04:44:08 PM  

ummhima2: all this talk about the plane reappearing somewhere suddenly and something just went boom in new york


I think New York was feeling left out of the tragedy loop for a couple days, and just blew up a couple buildings for attention. A building in San Francisco burned down? We're New York! Blow up two!
 
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