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(Alaska Dispatch News)   The disappearance of the Malaysian jetliner is starting to sound more and more like something out of LOST everyday now   (adn.com ) divider line
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2014-03-12 09:23:37 AM  

doomjesse: I try not to be a comspiracy nut job, but does this whole thing seem crazy from beginning to end? I mean plane disappears(usually when a plane crashes isn't there some sign of trouble or radio reports or something?), then we hear two people used stolen passports to get on board (but within a day we are told they "probably" weren't terrorists), now we are told no one even knows if the plane turned around? I'm not an engineer but wouldn't you see a long curving arc? It's not like you can throw it in reverse.


Your assuming that Malaysian radar is on par with say, NORAD.
 
2014-03-12 09:23:50 AM  
Plane drops into ocean. People not sure which bit of the ocean it dropped into. Ocean is very big. Might take some time before any results. No tropical islands full of polar bears are involved.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-12 09:24:40 AM  

Ned Stark: doomjesse: I try not to be a comspiracy nut job, but does this whole thing seem crazy from beginning to end? I mean plane disappears(usually when a plane crashes isn't there some sign of trouble or radio reports or something?), then we hear two people used stolen passports to get on board (but within a day we are told they "probably" weren't terrorists), now we are told no one even knows if the plane turned around? I'm not an engineer but wouldn't you see a long curving arc? It's not like you can throw it in reverse.

Why couldn't you just throw it in reverse?


Because the pilots don't have a button for that? See that's why you don't by the cheap one, if they would have upgraded to the deluxe model...
 
2014-03-12 09:25:00 AM  

Doc Daneeka: The ending of that show has to be one of the most widely misunderstood endings of any TV show ever.  No, they didn't all die in the crash.  No, they weren't in purgatory the whole time. Yeesh.  If you stopped watching after the first season, your interpretation of the ending is probably wrong.

People love to criticize the show, especially its ending, but IMO there hasn't been a SciFi/Fantasy drama on TV as well-done and compelling since.  It was hell of a fun ride while it was on.  The only other similar show I felt the same way about was the X-Files.


Okay, let's not put those two shows anywhere near each other in the same paragraph. Not only do I not believe the comparison, it would be even more sad if it were true.
 
2014-03-12 09:25:57 AM  

All Latest: nekom: All Latest: Grumpy Cat: All Latest: http://www.tomnod.com/

404. Not found.
/clever

Really? Works for me.

Gotta reload, sometimes multiple times.

I have found four ships and two oil rigs. No signs of a plane crash.


I've found two ships, and a cloud that looked like a bunny.
 
2014-03-12 09:28:06 AM  
You guys are slow, I already cracked the case when Yahoo! posted the photo of the 2 men with the fake passports....

i265.photobucket.com

David Blane on the right there just wanted to try and one-up Copperfield making a plane disappear before, so he did it mid-flight.
 
2014-03-12 09:29:13 AM  
Plane was hijacked to Best Korea. Because reasons.
 
2014-03-12 09:30:04 AM  
Everybody chill. These guys are on the job.

If anyone can find a missing airliner in a day that a combined nautical fleet of modern ships with airborne search and rescue units can't, its a couple of guys waving coconuts around at the international airport.

Link.

www.thestar.com.my
 
2014-03-12 09:30:16 AM  

Mandapants: Plane was hijacked to Best Korea. Because reasons.


Right because best Korea really wants to piss off China.
 
2014-03-12 09:31:44 AM  

Confabulat: Is there anything really off the table as far as speculation goes now?

My personal theory is they will suddenly show up flying in the same spot in 2029 with no memory of what happened, and then everyone's minds will be blown.


Or it will land in Beijing this Saturday.
 
2014-03-12 09:35:07 AM  
I think it slowed down to 88 mph and has been sitting on some airstrip for years.
 
2014-03-12 09:35:28 AM  

Doc Daneeka: People love to criticize the show, especially its ending, but IMO there hasn't been a SciFi/Fantasy drama on TV as well-done and compelling since. It was hell of a fun ride while it was on. The only other similar show I felt the same way about was the X-Files.


You should. Lost had exactly the same problems as X-Files.

I also notice you live in an alternate world where Fringe, Walking Dead, and Game of Thrones didn't happen. Perhaps you're in some sort of Damon Lindelof-based Purgatory. Can people run sideways in your world?
 
2014-03-12 09:36:41 AM  

doomjesse: I try not to be a comspiracy nut job, but does this whole thing seem crazy from beginning to end? I mean plane disappears(usually when a plane crashes isn't there some sign of trouble or radio reports or something?), then we hear two people used stolen passports to get on board (but within a day we are told they "probably" weren't terrorists), now we are told no one even knows if the plane turned around? I'm not an engineer but wouldn't you see a long curving arc? It's not like you can throw it in reverse.


Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.
 
2014-03-12 09:38:10 AM  

Aboleth: Everybody chill. These guys are on the job.

If anyone can find a missing airliner in a day that a combined nautical fleet of modern ships with airborne search and rescue units can't, its a couple of guys waving coconuts around at the international airport.

Link.

[www.thestar.com.my image 600x388]


Pfffft. Amateurs. They are using entirely the wrong ritual. The correct one involves using a blindfolded dart thrower and a map of the world. The spirits will guide the darts, and after throwing 3 darts, you triangulate to find the missing plane.
 
2014-03-12 09:39:47 AM  
Let us rule nothing out. Those cats in Airport 77 were under the ocean for like a week but Capt. Jack Lemmon got them out just fine.

static.rogerebert.com
 
2014-03-12 09:40:02 AM  

nekom: All Latest: Grumpy Cat: All Latest: http://www.tomnod.com/

404. Not found.
/clever

Really? Works for me.

Gotta reload, sometimes multiple times.


You shoot like my grandmother!
 
2014-03-12 09:41:08 AM  
And does anyone remember a time when you could talk about Airport movies without giggling about Airplane?

I'd guess Airplane is far more remembered now than the movies it was inspired by, weird.
 
2014-03-12 09:41:58 AM  

Spanky McStupid: Maybe not a US city but how about if they wanted to prove they cannot be stopped?  What if they landed the plane, disembarked all passengers and are just waiting for a US aircraft carrier to enter the vicinity?  They could kamikaze a US aircraft carrier, sans passengers (just to prove they are "compassionate") and take out one of our ships.


 You actually think a giant unidentified commercial airliner is going to get anywhere near a carrier?!?!?!
 
2014-03-12 09:42:19 AM  

doomjesse: I try not to be a comspiracy nut job, but does this whole thing seem crazy from beginning to end? I mean plane disappears(usually when a plane crashes isn't there some sign of trouble or radio reports or something?), then we hear two people used stolen passports to get on board (but within a day we are told they "probably" weren't terrorists),


If it were terrorism someone would have taken credit by now.
The two guys travelling with stolen passports were Iranians, so probably shiates, which means not Al Qaeda. Reportedly they were fleeing Iran, ultimately heading for Europe to seek political asylum, which would explain both their itinerary and the passports.
 
2014-03-12 09:43:39 AM  

frepnog: well, since there are no aliens here, no terrorist has taken real responsibility, Imma say the plane went down in water.  Probably all dead.  There is no great mystery here.


Why can't they find the debris field?
 
GBB
2014-03-12 09:46:07 AM  
This guy:
assets.nydailynews.com
Left his wedding ring and watch with his wife in Australia when he left to go to Mongolia to search for work.  He was on this flight.

Nice shirt.  Wonder if he was wearing it on this flight...
 
2014-03-12 09:46:13 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: doomjesse: I try not to be a comspiracy nut job, but does this whole thing seem crazy from beginning to end? I mean plane disappears(usually when a plane crashes isn't there some sign of trouble or radio reports or something?), then we hear two people used stolen passports to get on board (but within a day we are told they "probably" weren't terrorists), now we are told no one even knows if the plane turned around? I'm not an engineer but wouldn't you see a long curving arc? It's not like you can throw it in reverse.

Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.


My guess too.  Swissair 111 flew for 20 minutes after they detected smoke in the cockpit.
 
2014-03-12 09:47:21 AM  

Confabulat: Langoliers!


I said that yesterday.
/Copy cat
// :P
 
2014-03-12 09:48:16 AM  
I swear I didn't spell followers of Shia Islam that way. Stupid filter.
 
2014-03-12 09:49:31 AM  

Dansker: doomjesse: I try not to be a comspiracy nut job, but does this whole thing seem crazy from beginning to end? I mean plane disappears(usually when a plane crashes isn't there some sign of trouble or radio reports or something?), then we hear two people used stolen passports to get on board (but within a day we are told they "probably" weren't terrorists),

If it were terrorism someone would have taken credit by now.
The two guys travelling with stolen passports were Iranians, so probably shiates, which means not Al Qaeda. Reportedly they were fleeing Iran, ultimately heading for Europe to seek political asylum, which would explain both their itinerary and the passports.


They would have run out of fuel already. AND shown up on radar. And if the plane is parked, you'd see it in satellite photos. And you can't just land a plane anywhere, especially a giant boat like the triple seven. It needs a special long runway. It also would have come in heavy if it landed partway through its flight. Heavy meaning it would be loaded down with fuel and extremely dangerous to land and needing even more runway to stop.

I'm pretty sure they're dead underwater or buried in thick canopy.
 
2014-03-12 09:49:40 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: Every day I've been thinking this is some crazy coverage and stories coming from this jet crash.. I don't remember this level of insanity from US crashes. They just say oh it's gonna take us some time to find it, right? I'm not misremembering the past am I? Because the developments in this story have been telenovela level craziness.


are you talking about the pictures of the underage girls (17? at the time) in the cockpit with the co-pilot during the flight

my understanding is that the straits of malacca is busy enough with sea traffic that someone would have noticed airliner making unscheduled water landing, debris, or bodies by now
 
2014-03-12 09:49:48 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.


Yup.
 
2014-03-12 09:54:07 AM  
It's not a proper missing airplane thread until someone posts a picture of the word "Lost", a picture of the movie "Millennium", and someone says something to the effect of "it will be in the last place they look", and then someone else feels the need to explain what that means.  Only then will I believe I am truly in another missing Malaysian airplane thread.
 
2014-03-12 09:54:07 AM  

Confabulat: And does anyone remember a time when you could talk about Airport movies without giggling about Airplane?

I'd guess Airplane is far more remembered now than the movies it was inspired by, weird.


But you see,
it's an entirely different kind of flying. All together.
 
2014-03-12 09:55:25 AM  

ummhima2: Cerebral Ballsy: Every day I've been thinking this is some crazy coverage and stories coming from this jet crash.. I don't remember this level of insanity from US crashes. They just say oh it's gonna take us some time to find it, right? I'm not misremembering the past am I? Because the developments in this story have been telenovela level craziness.

are you talking about the pictures of the underage girls (17? at the time) in the cockpit with the co-pilot during the flight

my understanding is that the straits of malacca is busy enough with sea traffic that someone would have noticed airliner making unscheduled water landing, debris, or bodies by now


I was talking about all the conflicted stories about where the plane was last seen, which body if water is it hiding under, the discord between the Senate and the CIA.. No wait, I meant between the Malaysian civilian air traffic controllers and the military base that claims to have seen the plane last.
 
2014-03-12 09:55:47 AM  

nekom: thamike: It's actually beginning to sound a lot more like Air France flight 447, but with completely inept, constantly squabbling search parties.  And it took those guys a month to determine it crashed and two years to recover the black boxes.  So I wouldn't hold your breath.

Actually, no.  Debris from AF447 surfaced within a day or two, exactly where they expected it would be based on the ACARS data.  Yes it did take them 2 years to find the black boxes because they were in about 15,000 feet of water, but floating debris and in fact bodies were recovered within days.


Ah, yes.  i misread July instead of June.
 
2014-03-12 09:57:53 AM  

Ned Stark: doomjesse: I try not to be a comspiracy nut job, but does this whole thing seem crazy from beginning to end? I mean plane disappears(usually when a plane crashes isn't there some sign of trouble or radio reports or something?), then we hear two people used stolen passports to get on board (but within a day we are told they "probably" weren't terrorists), now we are told no one even knows if the plane turned around? I'm not an engineer but wouldn't you see a long curving arc? It's not like you can throw it in reverse.

Why couldn't you just throw it in reverse?


civilian air traffic control lost the transponder signal bordering between malay and viet airspace while review of military radar tracked it for about another hour before it was lost over the straits of malacca

someone in the military radar center is going to be looking for a funeral suit for not saying anything about an unidentified contact for that long or flat sleeping through it

to me it sounds more like payne stewart than air france air france went straight into the drink payne stewart flew for hours ran out of fuel then crashed
 
2014-03-12 09:58:01 AM  

Wolf_Blitzer: tkwasny: 1. Locate jet near Iran abandoned.
2. Local crew to fly jet back to the US (LALB, SF)
3. Detonate Iran's nuke over LALB or SF.
4. Don't need no stinkin' ICBM.

Because a random widebody entering US airspace without a filed flight plan would never be suspicious!


They will be squacking the expected and designated AIS. The air crew will work to convince through comms that they were released from capture and really, really badly want to come home now. All the passengers will be told the same story and through their cell phones will verify this to be true to their families and the press. They are all pawns of death.
 
2014-03-12 09:59:26 AM  
Whoever solves it gets a fish biscuit!
 
2014-03-12 10:00:16 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: ummhima2: Cerebral Ballsy: Every day I've been thinking this is some crazy coverage and stories coming from this jet crash.. I don't remember this level of insanity from US crashes. They just say oh it's gonna take us some time to find it, right? I'm not misremembering the past am I? Because the developments in this story have been telenovela level craziness.

are you talking about the pictures of the underage girls (17? at the time) in the cockpit with the co-pilot during the flight

my understanding is that the straits of malacca is busy enough with sea traffic that someone would have noticed airliner making unscheduled water landing, debris, or bodies by now

I was talking about all the conflicted stories about where the plane was last seen, which body if water is it hiding under, the discord between the Senate and the CIA.. No wait, I meant between the Malaysian civilian air traffic controllers and the military base that claims to have seen the plane last.


Over Macho Grande?
 
2014-03-12 10:01:44 AM  

SpectroBoy: frepnog: well, since there are no aliens here, no terrorist has taken real responsibility, Imma say the plane went down in water.  Probably all dead.  There is no great mystery here.

Why can't they find the debris field?


Because they haven't found it *yet*, not that they *can't* find it.

If they haven't found it in a year, that'll be a great mystery. So far, this has been a week. It's a big planet, you know? Needle/haystack...
 
2014-03-12 10:02:55 AM  

Dansker: Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

Yup.


If the guys story rings true, it's down to the logical now.


Scenario 1) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is alive and flying what is left to fly. Radio is dead, transponder dead, flying by visual. Run out of gas before they find a point to land.

Scenario 2) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is dead from smoke inhalation/hypoxia. Plane continues on flying with the auto pilot on until it runs out of gas.
 
2014-03-12 10:05:21 AM  
Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

A catastrophic failure of any sort could account for the lack of any mayday.  Don't forget the priorities of a pilot are in this order:  Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.  While wrestling a doomed airliner, it's not of any particular use to radio in:  "Hey, we're boned.  Like ROYALLY boned over here.  You can't help us, and I've got a lot on my hands, but I'd just like to let you guys know how farking screwed we are.  Over."

But... where's the debris?
 
2014-03-12 10:05:27 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: Cerebral Ballsy: ummhima2: Cerebral Ballsy: Every day I've been thinking this is some crazy coverage and stories coming from this jet crash.. I don't remember this level of insanity from US crashes. They just say oh it's gonna take us some time to find it, right? I'm not misremembering the past am I? Because the developments in this story have been telenovela level craziness.

are you talking about the pictures of the underage girls (17? at the time) in the cockpit with the co-pilot during the flight

my understanding is that the straits of malacca is busy enough with sea traffic that someone would have noticed airliner making unscheduled water landing, debris, or bodies by now

I was talking about all the conflicted stories about where the plane was last seen, which body if water is it hiding under, the discord between the Senate and the CIA.. No wait, I meant between the Malaysian civilian air traffic controllers and the military base that claims to have seen the plane last.

Over Macho Grande?


No.

I don't think I'll get over Macho Grande.
 
2014-03-12 10:08:44 AM  

Dansker: I swear I didn't spell followers of Shia Islam that way. Stupid filter.


that is how a lot of people spell it

supposedly the two on stolen passports were actually part of illegal immigration/human trafficking ring

do the recent statistics show that a terrorist involved in a mass murder is more likely to be middle age, white, home grown nut, and more increasingly christian and most importantly has a family that swears the person was mentally ill so why dont we wait until the plane turns up
 
2014-03-12 10:09:58 AM  

italie: Dansker: Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

Yup.

If the guys story rings true, it's down to the logical now.


Scenario 1) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is alive and flying what is left to fly. Radio is dead, transponder dead, flying by visual. Run out of gas before they find a point to land.

Scenario 2) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is dead from smoke inhalation/hypoxia. Plane continues on flying with the auto pilot on until it runs out of gas.


When a plane catches fire, it goes down in flames within minutes.

Have you ever seen a structure fire? I have. It take a few minutes to destroy a room or a car. A plane doesn't last an hour on fire. There's no cruising on autopilot while the passengers and crew's corpses lie dead from smoke inhalation. The crew's oxygen drops down and they either navigate safely to a landing site or the plane disintegrates in the air while the crew tries to control it. Fire moves fast.
 
2014-03-12 10:10:11 AM  
So, everybody who was on the plane is running around in random directions in some jungle somewhere, and whenever they bump into each other they say, "And why would I do that, John?" and "Why are you telling me this, Jack?" and then run off in different directions again?
 
2014-03-12 10:15:18 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: Cerebral Ballsy: ummhima2: Cerebral Ballsy: Every day I've been thinking this is some crazy coverage and stories coming from this jet crash.. I don't remember this level of insanity from US crashes. They just say oh it's gonna take us some time to find it, right? I'm not misremembering the past am I? Because the developments in this story have been telenovela level craziness.

are you talking about the pictures of the underage girls (17? at the time) in the cockpit with the co-pilot during the flight

my understanding is that the straits of malacca is busy enough with sea traffic that someone would have noticed airliner making unscheduled water landing, debris, or bodies by now

I was talking about all the conflicted stories about where the plane was last seen, which body if water is it hiding under, the discord between the Senate and the CIA.. No wait, I meant between the Malaysian civilian air traffic controllers and the military base that claims to have seen the plane last.

Over Macho Grande?


*past flight
 
2014-03-12 10:17:35 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: italie: Dansker: Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

Yup.

If the guys story rings true, it's down to the logical now.


Scenario 1) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is alive and flying what is left to fly. Radio is dead, transponder dead, flying by visual. Run out of gas before they find a point to land.

Scenario 2) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is dead from smoke inhalation/hypoxia. Plane continues on flying with the auto pilot on until it runs out of gas.

When a plane catches fire, it goes down in flames within minutes.

Have you ever seen a structure fire? I have. It take a few minutes to destroy a room or a car. A plane doesn't last an hour on fire. There's no cruising on autopilot while the passengers and crew's corpses lie dead from smoke inhalation. The crew's oxygen drops down and they either navigate safely to a landing site or the plane disintegrates in the air while the crew tries to control it. Fire moves fast.


Payne Stewart 1999
 
2014-03-12 10:17:38 AM  

nekom: Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

A catastrophic failure of any sort could account for the lack of any mayday.  Don't forget the priorities of a pilot are in this order:  Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.  While wrestling a doomed airliner, it's not of any particular use to radio in:  "Hey, we're boned.  Like ROYALLY boned over here.  You can't help us, and I've got a lot on my hands, but I'd just like to let you guys know how farking screwed we are.  Over."

But... where's the debris?


No debris found is evidence of zilch. It hasn't been found *yet*.
 
2014-03-12 10:17:43 AM  
So people will spend years telling me it's the best airline disappearance ever, then biatch eternally about the resolution?
 
2014-03-12 10:18:23 AM  
Stolen from Reddit.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-12 10:19:46 AM  
all this talk about the plane reappearing somewhere suddenly and something just went boom in new york
 
2014-03-12 10:20:26 AM  

Confabulat: Langoliers!


SCARING THE LITTLE GIRL??!
 
2014-03-12 10:23:02 AM  

Mudd's woman: Confabulat: And does anyone remember a time when you could talk about Airport movies without giggling about Airplane?

I'd guess Airplane is far more remembered now than the movies it was inspired by, weird.

But you see,
it's an entirely different kind of flying. All together.


It's an entirely different kind of flying.
 
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