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(Anchorage Daily News)   The disappearance of the Malaysian jetliner is starting to sound more and more like something out of LOST everyday now   (adn.com) divider line 210
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2014-03-12 06:47:04 AM
I wonder how many of the passengers no longer need their wheelchairs.
 
2014-03-12 07:13:20 AM
The Malaysian air force can't even keep track of their own statements, how can one expect them to keep track of an entire plane.
 
2014-03-12 07:14:01 AM
So you're saying the plane is now in the 1970s?
 
2014-03-12 07:16:35 AM
Any of the passengers named WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT?
 
2014-03-12 07:17:33 AM
It sounds more and more like the people responsible for managing aircraft and airspace in that part of the world really don't pay much attention to their jobs. You can easily lose an entire airplane if you take your eyes off of it for long enough.
 
2014-03-12 07:19:24 AM
boss, boss! it's the plane!!!
 
2014-03-12 07:19:27 AM
Don't tell me what I can't do!
 
2014-03-12 07:20:29 AM
I'm betting on a Payne Stewart type of deal, but the switched-off transponder pokes a hole in that.

Kidnapped by Dr. Doom, maybe.
 
2014-03-12 07:20:36 AM
I always wanted to make motel with monthly rates and nice kitchenettes and name it "Live Together, Dine Alone"
 
2014-03-12 07:21:13 AM
Anyone of the passengers an obese man who won the lottery?
 
2014-03-12 07:23:15 AM
Has anyone checked if it landed in 1941?
 
2014-03-12 07:23:58 AM
The malaysian people I have seen speaking on tv seem incompetent and borderline retarded.
 
2014-03-12 07:24:33 AM
1. Locate jet near Iran abandoned.
2. Local crew to fly jet back to the US (LALB, SF)
3. Detonate Iran's nuke over LALB or SF.
4. Don't need no stinkin' ICBM.
 
2014-03-12 07:26:37 AM
So basically it makes sense to everyone who's paid attention and it's clearly not crashed in purgatory, but for years and years now we're going to hear from people who watched a few minutes about it then rushed to the internet to say the writers made it all up, and they knew it was purgatory all along?
 
2014-03-12 07:26:47 AM

hammettman: The Malaysian air force can't even keep track of their own statements, how can one expect them to keep track of an entire plane.


I've been thinking since day one that this event is due to nothing other than Malaysian incompetence.

Incompetence.
 
2014-03-12 07:27:41 AM

tkwasny: 1. Locate jet near Iran abandoned.
2. Local crew to fly jet back to the US (LALB, SF)
3. Detonate Iran's nuke over LALB or SF.
4. Don't need no stinkin' ICBM.


Because a random widebody entering US airspace without a filed flight plan would never be suspicious!
 
2014-03-12 07:27:51 AM
 
2014-03-12 07:29:34 AM
at first I was thinking shot down because of the sudden disappearance, but because of what radar is like in that area, and it can take quite a while between updates, is it possible to have rerouted the jet and landed it quickly somewhere?
 
2014-03-12 07:29:42 AM
Langoliers!
 
2014-03-12 07:30:19 AM
Yet another plane mysteriously disappears into the South China Sea Triangle.
 
2014-03-12 07:31:02 AM
So, why are there bears involved again?
 
2014-03-12 07:33:27 AM

ariseatex: Any of the passengers named WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT?


NPR interviewed someone with the last name of Walt yesterday about the story. That's all I could think of throughout the interview.
 
2014-03-12 07:33:39 AM

tkwasny: 1. Locate jet near Iran abandoned.
2. Local crew to fly jet back to the US (LALB, SF)
3. Detonate Iran's nuke over LALB or SF.
4. Don't need no stinkin' ICBM.


May God have mercy on your soul.
 
2014-03-12 07:34:51 AM
So it makes no sense and insults your intelligence?
 
2014-03-12 07:34:58 AM
They should re-issue this series with updates!
i26.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-12 07:37:06 AM
The longer this goes on, the more I'm convinced this is the flight crew:

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-12 07:37:36 AM
This is the actual plane from the TV show Lost. It's the rare reality/ fiction convergence.
 
2014-03-12 07:37:48 AM
You know, I don't know why exactly, but I suspect somehow this is the fault of one Justin Bieber.
 
2014-03-12 07:39:33 AM

Confabulat: Langoliers!


And that's why I always insist on making sure Bronson Pinschot and/or Dean Stockwell are not on a flight I'm taking.
 
2014-03-12 07:40:08 AM

Wolf_Blitzer: Because a random widebody entering US airspace without a filed flight plan would never be suspicious!


And Iran has no aircraft already, but apparently does have a nuclear bomb.
 
2014-03-12 07:40:41 AM

tirob: Yet another plane mysteriously disappears into the South China Sea Triangle.


Back before that whole other uninverse stuff became "cool" again, I remember reading a pulpy novel about some ancient city in the jungles of south east asia, a bermuda triangle like region around it, and weird creatures within that behaved suspiciously like Hellraiser stuck on fast forward.
 
2014-03-12 07:45:23 AM

SpdrJay: So it makes no sense and insults your intelligence?


Yup
 
2014-03-12 07:46:49 AM
"The 777 is a modern aircraft with an excellent safety record, as does Malaysia Airlines."

This is a modern newspaper with a very poor record of proofreading, as does Anchorage Daily News.
 
2014-03-12 07:47:15 AM
Guys...where are we?


F A R K
 
2014-03-12 07:48:04 AM

Slaxl: So basically it makes sense to everyone who's paid attention and it's clearly not crashed in purgatory, but for years and years now we're going to hear from people who watched a few minutes about it then rushed to the internet to say the writers made it all up, and they knew it was purgatory all along?


I love Lost, and was mostly satisfied with the ending, but really that whole "flash-sideways" purgatory world was a horrible idea and they never should've done it... Of course it was going to confuse people... Plus, it's just stupid! I mean, sure I can buy a magical teleporting, time-travelling island, but the idea of an afterlife?? Come on, don't strain my credulity!
 
2014-03-12 07:49:37 AM
 
2014-03-12 07:51:40 AM

All Latest: Maybe it just fell apart: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/faa-warned-cracking-corr o sion-problem-boeing-777s-n50591


So you're saying the front fell off?
 
2014-03-12 07:57:05 AM
I think Xenu took it as he needed a new ride for his souls.
 
2014-03-12 07:59:03 AM

tkwasny: 1. Locate jet near Iran abandoned.
2. Local crew to fly jet back to the US (LALB, SF)
3. Detonate Iran's nuke over LALB or SF.
4. Don't need no stinkin' ICBM.


Maybe not a US city but how about if they wanted to prove they cannot be stopped?  What if they landed the plane, disembarked all passengers and are just waiting for a US aircraft carrier to enter the vicinity?  They could kamikaze a US aircraft carrier, sans passengers (just to prove they are "compassionate") and take out one of our ships.

Against whom do you retaliate?  They are like ghosts and can strike with impunity.

Alternate nightmare version: they keep the passengers, enter American airspace, dare a fighter to strike by putting a child's voice on the airwaves, begging the Americans to not kill them and them, blammo!

Either way, it's a lose-lose situation.
 
2014-03-12 08:00:40 AM
Vietnamese military authorities said they were searching for the plane on land sea.

I read this in the old-timey gangster voice. "We're searching for the plane on land, see? Nyyaaaaaaaah"

/I know it's from an old movie or something but I only know it from Bugs Bunny cartoons
 
2014-03-12 08:01:05 AM
dnrtf but I read bout crowds throwing water bottles at airline staff due to frustration. That wouldn't work out so well in the states.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2578914/Nine-fresh-witnesses -p lace-missing-jet-near-Thailand-despite-Malaysia-military-moving-search -area-west.html
/loves the DM
 
2014-03-12 08:01:33 AM
scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2014-03-12 08:02:43 AM

assjuice: The malaysian people I have seen speaking on tv seem incompetent and borderline retarded.


welcome to Asia. would you like a foot massage?
 
2014-03-12 08:05:05 AM

Spanky McStupid: tkwasny: 1. Locate jet near Iran abandoned.
2. Local crew to fly jet back to the US (LALB, SF)
3. Detonate Iran's nuke over LALB or SF.
4. Don't need no stinkin' ICBM.

Maybe not a US city but how about if they wanted to prove they cannot be stopped?  What if they landed the plane, disembarked all passengers and are just waiting for a US aircraft carrier to enter the vicinity?  They could kamikaze a US aircraft carrier, sans passengers (just to prove they are "compassionate") and take out one of our ships.

Against whom do you retaliate?  They are like ghosts and can strike with impunity.

Alternate nightmare version: they keep the passengers, enter American airspace, dare a fighter to strike by putting a child's voice on the airwaves, begging the Americans to not kill them and them, blammo!

Either way, it's a lose-lose situation.


Then why not just use an airliner from their own country.

Settle the fark down.
 
2014-03-12 08:07:33 AM

wxboy: All Latest: Maybe it just fell apart: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/faa-warned-cracking-corr o sion-problem-boeing-777s-n50591

So you're saying the front fell off?


"could lead to rapid decompression and loss of structural integrity of the airplane." Sounds nasty.
 
2014-03-12 08:08:36 AM

All Latest: Maybe it just fell apart: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/faa-warned-cracking-corr o sion-problem-boeing-777s-n50591


Except that particular model wasn't included in that advisory.
 
2014-03-12 08:10:52 AM

jakomo002: I'm betting on a Payne Stewart type of deal, but the switched-off transponder pokes a hole in that.

Kidnapped by Dr. Doom, maybe.


I was thinking this as well. Also thinking the transponder issue could be related. Maybe there was a malfunction caused by the depressurization that caused the electrical system to go dead or something along those lines. Any idea how well Boeing tested the system for such an event?
 
2014-03-12 08:13:36 AM

nekom: All Latest: Maybe it just fell apart: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/faa-warned-cracking-corr o sion-problem-boeing-777s-n50591

Except that particular model wasn't included in that advisory.


You are right. I missed that part.

/They all look the same to me
 
2014-03-12 08:15:58 AM
Watch them find it in th Sonoran desert.
 
2014-03-12 08:16:54 AM

Slaxl: So basically it makes sense to everyone who's paid attention and it's clearly not crashed in purgatory, but for years and years now we're going to hear from people who watched a few minutes about it then rushed to the internet to say the writers made it all up, and they knew it was purgatory all along?


It was purgatory???
 
2014-03-12 08:17:02 AM
evangelineholland.com

They should be passed Alpha Centauri by now.
 
2014-03-12 08:18:27 AM

b2theory: Has anyone checked if it landed in 1941?


No, it hasn't landed in Birmingham, Alabama.
 
2014-03-12 08:20:07 AM

Mad Scientist: b2theory: Has anyone checked if it landed in 1941?

No, it hasn't landed in Birmingham, Alabama.


Wrong movie.
 
2014-03-12 08:21:08 AM
Looks like a whole lot of left feet are going to start washing up around Vancouver in about six months.
 
2014-03-12 08:21:45 AM

Chris Ween: I wonder how many of the passengers no longer need their wheelchairs.


Sadly, I'm going to guess "all of them."
 
2014-03-12 08:23:07 AM
I am thinking the plane is just paused while they remove all the passengers and replace them with dead bodies.

/not obscure
//probably mentioned in some other thread.
///
 
2014-03-12 08:23:34 AM

nekom: [scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 540x720]


Welp, I bet Mike J, McKay is gonna be thrilled when his email address gets hacked by bored internet assholes... (not blaming you, just whoever posted that image in the first place)
 
2014-03-12 08:24:04 AM
some_beer_drinker:

assjuice: The malaysian people I have seen speaking on tv seem incompetent and borderline retarded.

welcome to Asia. would you like a foot massage?



That's racist.  And oh so true.
 
2014-03-12 08:25:09 AM

SlothB77: This is the actual plane from the TV show Lost. It's the rare reality/ fiction convergence.


It's The Lone Gunmen vs. 9/11 all over again!
 
2014-03-12 08:25:15 AM
whysoblu.com


This passenger wants a refund. And an aisle seat.
 
2014-03-12 08:27:41 AM
Here, this seems to be a required posting on all of these Malaysian Airline threads:

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-12 08:29:09 AM

b2theory: Mad Scientist: b2theory: Has anyone checked if it landed in 1941?

No, it hasn't landed in Birmingham, Alabama.

Wrong movie.


You've obviously never been to Birmingham.

McGrits: I am thinking the plane is just paused while they remove all the passengers and replace them with dead bodies.

/not obscure
//probably mentioned in some other thread.
///


Oooh! I liked that book!
 
2014-03-12 08:33:25 AM

b2theory: Has anyone checked if it landed in 1941?


i26.photobucket.comp>
 
2014-03-12 08:33:38 AM
 
2014-03-12 08:39:52 AM
Well, one thing is for sure. No matter how this ends, it will be a better ending than LOST.
 
2014-03-12 08:40:14 AM
Yes I remember. I had the lasagna.
 
2014-03-12 08:42:40 AM
Well they seem to have narrowed it down to - the plane is in Southeast Asia, probably.
 
2014-03-12 08:44:35 AM

WinoRhino: Well, one thing is for sure. No matter how this ends, it will be a better ending than LOST.


It'll probably end like the Sop
 
2014-03-12 08:50:26 AM
Did they have a competent backup crew who could take over?

img.fark.net

or a boy who like gladiator movies?
www.blogcdn.com
 
2014-03-12 08:50:55 AM
It's actually beginning to sound a lot more like Air France flight 447, but with completely inept, constantly squabbling search parties.  And it took those guys a month to determine it crashed and two years to recover the black boxes.  So I wouldn't hold your breath.
 
2014-03-12 08:54:29 AM

hammettman: The Malaysian air force can't even keep track of their own statements, how can one expect them to keep track of an entire plane.


assjuice: The malaysian people I have seen speaking on tv seem incompetent and borderline retarded.



Those families must be hella frustrated by now.
 
2014-03-12 08:55:22 AM

thamike: It's actually beginning to sound a lot more like Air France flight 447, but with completely inept, constantly squabbling search parties.  And it took those guys a month to determine it crashed and two years to recover the black boxes.  So I wouldn't hold your breath.


Actually, no.  Debris from AF447 surfaced within a day or two, exactly where they expected it would be based on the ACARS data.  Yes it did take them 2 years to find the black boxes because they were in about 15,000 feet of water, but floating debris and in fact bodies were recovered within days.
 
2014-03-12 08:57:00 AM

assjuice: The malaysian people I have seen speaking on tv seem incompetent and borderline retarded.


To be fair, it's very hot in Malaysia.
 
2014-03-12 08:57:09 AM
Viral marketing for a new season.

/Wouldn't put it past them.
 
2014-03-12 08:57:49 AM
well, since there are no aliens here, no terrorist has taken real responsibility, Imma say the plane went down in water.  Probably all dead.  There is no great mystery here.
 
2014-03-12 08:58:03 AM

Spanky McStupid: Maybe not a US city but how about if they wanted to prove they cannot be stopped? What if they landed the plane, disembarked all passengers and are just waiting for a US aircraft carrier to enter the vicinity? They could kamikaze a US aircraft carrier, sans passengers (just to prove they are "compassionate") and take out one of our ships.


Well, the U.S. Navy would never take out an airliner that appears to be on an attack vector, so I'm sure that would work.

iranian.com
 
2014-03-12 09:01:29 AM

you are a puppet: Guys...where are we?


i48.tinypic.com
 
2014-03-12 09:03:40 AM
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-03-12 09:04:20 AM

JohnCarter: Did they have a competent backup crew who could take over?


thebottomofabottle.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-12 09:05:23 AM
This wasn't Flight 33?


i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-12 09:07:17 AM
Every day I've been thinking this is some crazy coverage and stories coming from this jet crash.. I don't remember this level of insanity from US crashes. They just say oh it's gonna take us some time to find it, right? I'm not misremembering the past am I? Because the developments in this story have been telenovela level craziness.
 
2014-03-12 09:07:47 AM

All Latest: http://www.tomnod.com/


404. Not found.
/clever
 
2014-03-12 09:10:00 AM

McGrits: I am thinking the plane is just paused while they remove all the passengers and replace them with dead bodies.

/not obscure
//probably mentioned in some other thread.
///


Is this a Sherlock Holmes reference? Because I am watching that scene right now...

I am creeped out.

Love this episode though.. The Woman's character is right out of the real Sherlock Holmes stories.
 
2014-03-12 09:10:08 AM
every day. two words.

every... day.


/rant
 
2014-03-12 09:11:22 AM

Grumpy Cat: All Latest: http://www.tomnod.com/

404. Not found.
/clever


Really? Works for me.
 
2014-03-12 09:13:22 AM

All Latest: Grumpy Cat: All Latest: http://www.tomnod.com/

404. Not found.
/clever

Really? Works for me.


Gotta reload, sometimes multiple times.
 
2014-03-12 09:13:38 AM

redsquid: b2theory: Mad Scientist: b2theory: Has anyone checked if it landed in 1941?

No, it hasn't landed in Birmingham, Alabama.

Wrong movie.

You've obviously never been to Birmingham.


Who, me?  I live there.

Just recycling an old joke.
 
2014-03-12 09:14:03 AM
 
2014-03-12 09:14:31 AM

McGrits: I am thinking the plane is just paused while they remove all the passengers and replace them with dead bodies.

/not obscure
//probably mentioned in some other thread.
///


Multiple times.
 
2014-03-12 09:15:01 AM
Crap. Are you guys making Lost references? I saw two episodes from the first season and I knew right away where that's how was headed so I never bothered to watch it.

Can we please make Langoliers references instead?
 
2014-03-12 09:15:31 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: Every day I've been thinking this is some crazy coverage and stories coming from this jet crash.. I don't remember this level of insanity from US crashes. They just say oh it's gonna take us some time to find it, right? I'm not misremembering the past am I? Because the developments in this story have been telenovela level craziness.


Take some time to find it usually means, a couple of hours tops with a plane this size.

The only thing in recent memory that compares to it was the air france crash a few years back, and even in that one shiat was turning up a day or so later.
 
2014-03-12 09:16:04 AM
Is there anything really off the table as far as speculation goes now?

My personal theory is they will suddenly show up flying in the same spot in 2029 with no memory of what happened, and then everyone's minds will be blown.
 
2014-03-12 09:16:33 AM

nekom: All Latest: Grumpy Cat: All Latest: http://www.tomnod.com/

404. Not found.
/clever

Really? Works for me.

Gotta reload, sometimes multiple times.


It eventually worked. But, at first it showed me that. It seemed fitting.
 
2014-03-12 09:16:59 AM

LineNoise: Cerebral Ballsy: Every day I've been thinking this is some crazy coverage and stories coming from this jet crash.. I don't remember this level of insanity from US crashes. They just say oh it's gonna take us some time to find it, right? I'm not misremembering the past am I? Because the developments in this story have been telenovela level craziness.

Take some time to find it usually means, a couple of hours tops with a plane this size.

The only thing in recent memory that compares to it was the air france crash a few years back, and even in that one shiat was turning up a day or so later.


I was referring to ocean crashes. Sometimes they take months.
 
2014-03-12 09:17:15 AM
nekom: All Latest: Grumpy Cat: All Latest: http://www.tomnod.com/

404. Not found.
/clever

Really? Works for me.

Gotta reload, sometimes multiple times.


I have found four ships and two oil rigs. No signs of a plane crash.
 
2014-03-12 09:20:01 AM
I try not to be a comspiracy nut job, but does this whole thing seem crazy from beginning to end? I mean plane disappears(usually when a plane crashes isn't there some sign of trouble or radio reports or something?), then we hear two people used stolen passports to get on board (but within a day we are told they "probably" weren't terrorists), now we are told no one even knows if the plane turned around? I'm not an engineer but wouldn't you see a long curving arc? It's not like you can throw it in reverse.
 
2014-03-12 09:21:21 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: Can we please make Langoliers references instead?


www.chud.com
 
2014-03-12 09:21:53 AM

doomjesse: I try not to be a comspiracy nut job, but does this whole thing seem crazy from beginning to end? I mean plane disappears(usually when a plane crashes isn't there some sign of trouble or radio reports or something?), then we hear two people used stolen passports to get on board (but within a day we are told they "probably" weren't terrorists), now we are told no one even knows if the plane turned around? I'm not an engineer but wouldn't you see a long curving arc? It's not like you can throw it in reverse.


Why couldn't you just throw it in reverse?
 
2014-03-12 09:22:12 AM
I've seen the theory that Best Korea stole it.  That's both an insane theory and completely frightening all at the same time.
I would hope that hijacking and hiding a commercial airliner would be grounds for termination these days.
 
2014-03-12 09:22:22 AM
The ending of that show has to be one of the most widely misunderstood endings of any TV show ever.  No, they didn't all die in the crash.  No, they weren't in purgatory the whole time. Yeesh.  If you stopped watching after the first season, your interpretation of the ending is probably wrong.

People love to criticize the show, especially its ending, but IMO there hasn't been a SciFi/Fantasy drama on TV as well-done and compelling since.  It was hell of a fun ride while it was on.  The only other similar show I felt the same way about was the X-Files.
 
2014-03-12 09:23:37 AM

doomjesse: I try not to be a comspiracy nut job, but does this whole thing seem crazy from beginning to end? I mean plane disappears(usually when a plane crashes isn't there some sign of trouble or radio reports or something?), then we hear two people used stolen passports to get on board (but within a day we are told they "probably" weren't terrorists), now we are told no one even knows if the plane turned around? I'm not an engineer but wouldn't you see a long curving arc? It's not like you can throw it in reverse.


Your assuming that Malaysian radar is on par with say, NORAD.
 
2014-03-12 09:23:50 AM
Plane drops into ocean. People not sure which bit of the ocean it dropped into. Ocean is very big. Might take some time before any results. No tropical islands full of polar bears are involved.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-12 09:24:40 AM

Ned Stark: doomjesse: I try not to be a comspiracy nut job, but does this whole thing seem crazy from beginning to end? I mean plane disappears(usually when a plane crashes isn't there some sign of trouble or radio reports or something?), then we hear two people used stolen passports to get on board (but within a day we are told they "probably" weren't terrorists), now we are told no one even knows if the plane turned around? I'm not an engineer but wouldn't you see a long curving arc? It's not like you can throw it in reverse.

Why couldn't you just throw it in reverse?


Because the pilots don't have a button for that? See that's why you don't by the cheap one, if they would have upgraded to the deluxe model...
 
2014-03-12 09:25:00 AM

Doc Daneeka: The ending of that show has to be one of the most widely misunderstood endings of any TV show ever.  No, they didn't all die in the crash.  No, they weren't in purgatory the whole time. Yeesh.  If you stopped watching after the first season, your interpretation of the ending is probably wrong.

People love to criticize the show, especially its ending, but IMO there hasn't been a SciFi/Fantasy drama on TV as well-done and compelling since.  It was hell of a fun ride while it was on.  The only other similar show I felt the same way about was the X-Files.


Okay, let's not put those two shows anywhere near each other in the same paragraph. Not only do I not believe the comparison, it would be even more sad if it were true.
 
2014-03-12 09:25:57 AM

All Latest: nekom: All Latest: Grumpy Cat: All Latest: http://www.tomnod.com/

404. Not found.
/clever

Really? Works for me.

Gotta reload, sometimes multiple times.

I have found four ships and two oil rigs. No signs of a plane crash.


I've found two ships, and a cloud that looked like a bunny.
 
2014-03-12 09:28:06 AM
You guys are slow, I already cracked the case when Yahoo! posted the photo of the 2 men with the fake passports....

i265.photobucket.com

David Blane on the right there just wanted to try and one-up Copperfield making a plane disappear before, so he did it mid-flight.
 
2014-03-12 09:29:13 AM
Plane was hijacked to Best Korea. Because reasons.
 
2014-03-12 09:30:04 AM
Everybody chill. These guys are on the job.

If anyone can find a missing airliner in a day that a combined nautical fleet of modern ships with airborne search and rescue units can't, its a couple of guys waving coconuts around at the international airport.

Link.

www.thestar.com.my
 
2014-03-12 09:30:16 AM

Mandapants: Plane was hijacked to Best Korea. Because reasons.


Right because best Korea really wants to piss off China.
 
2014-03-12 09:31:44 AM

Confabulat: Is there anything really off the table as far as speculation goes now?

My personal theory is they will suddenly show up flying in the same spot in 2029 with no memory of what happened, and then everyone's minds will be blown.


Or it will land in Beijing this Saturday.
 
2014-03-12 09:35:07 AM
I think it slowed down to 88 mph and has been sitting on some airstrip for years.
 
2014-03-12 09:35:28 AM

Doc Daneeka: People love to criticize the show, especially its ending, but IMO there hasn't been a SciFi/Fantasy drama on TV as well-done and compelling since. It was hell of a fun ride while it was on. The only other similar show I felt the same way about was the X-Files.


You should. Lost had exactly the same problems as X-Files.

I also notice you live in an alternate world where Fringe, Walking Dead, and Game of Thrones didn't happen. Perhaps you're in some sort of Damon Lindelof-based Purgatory. Can people run sideways in your world?
 
2014-03-12 09:36:41 AM

doomjesse: I try not to be a comspiracy nut job, but does this whole thing seem crazy from beginning to end? I mean plane disappears(usually when a plane crashes isn't there some sign of trouble or radio reports or something?), then we hear two people used stolen passports to get on board (but within a day we are told they "probably" weren't terrorists), now we are told no one even knows if the plane turned around? I'm not an engineer but wouldn't you see a long curving arc? It's not like you can throw it in reverse.


Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.
 
2014-03-12 09:38:10 AM

Aboleth: Everybody chill. These guys are on the job.

If anyone can find a missing airliner in a day that a combined nautical fleet of modern ships with airborne search and rescue units can't, its a couple of guys waving coconuts around at the international airport.

Link.

[www.thestar.com.my image 600x388]


Pfffft. Amateurs. They are using entirely the wrong ritual. The correct one involves using a blindfolded dart thrower and a map of the world. The spirits will guide the darts, and after throwing 3 darts, you triangulate to find the missing plane.
 
2014-03-12 09:39:47 AM
Let us rule nothing out. Those cats in Airport 77 were under the ocean for like a week but Capt. Jack Lemmon got them out just fine.

static.rogerebert.com
 
2014-03-12 09:40:02 AM

nekom: All Latest: Grumpy Cat: All Latest: http://www.tomnod.com/

404. Not found.
/clever

Really? Works for me.

Gotta reload, sometimes multiple times.


You shoot like my grandmother!
 
2014-03-12 09:41:08 AM
And does anyone remember a time when you could talk about Airport movies without giggling about Airplane?

I'd guess Airplane is far more remembered now than the movies it was inspired by, weird.
 
2014-03-12 09:41:58 AM

Spanky McStupid: Maybe not a US city but how about if they wanted to prove they cannot be stopped?  What if they landed the plane, disembarked all passengers and are just waiting for a US aircraft carrier to enter the vicinity?  They could kamikaze a US aircraft carrier, sans passengers (just to prove they are "compassionate") and take out one of our ships.


 You actually think a giant unidentified commercial airliner is going to get anywhere near a carrier?!?!?!
 
2014-03-12 09:42:19 AM

doomjesse: I try not to be a comspiracy nut job, but does this whole thing seem crazy from beginning to end? I mean plane disappears(usually when a plane crashes isn't there some sign of trouble or radio reports or something?), then we hear two people used stolen passports to get on board (but within a day we are told they "probably" weren't terrorists),


If it were terrorism someone would have taken credit by now.
The two guys travelling with stolen passports were Iranians, so probably shiates, which means not Al Qaeda. Reportedly they were fleeing Iran, ultimately heading for Europe to seek political asylum, which would explain both their itinerary and the passports.
 
2014-03-12 09:43:39 AM

frepnog: well, since there are no aliens here, no terrorist has taken real responsibility, Imma say the plane went down in water.  Probably all dead.  There is no great mystery here.


Why can't they find the debris field?
 
GBB
2014-03-12 09:46:07 AM
This guy:
assets.nydailynews.com
Left his wedding ring and watch with his wife in Australia when he left to go to Mongolia to search for work.  He was on this flight.

Nice shirt.  Wonder if he was wearing it on this flight...
 
2014-03-12 09:46:13 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: doomjesse: I try not to be a comspiracy nut job, but does this whole thing seem crazy from beginning to end? I mean plane disappears(usually when a plane crashes isn't there some sign of trouble or radio reports or something?), then we hear two people used stolen passports to get on board (but within a day we are told they "probably" weren't terrorists), now we are told no one even knows if the plane turned around? I'm not an engineer but wouldn't you see a long curving arc? It's not like you can throw it in reverse.

Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.


My guess too.  Swissair 111 flew for 20 minutes after they detected smoke in the cockpit.
 
2014-03-12 09:47:21 AM

Confabulat: Langoliers!


I said that yesterday.
/Copy cat
// :P
 
2014-03-12 09:48:16 AM
I swear I didn't spell followers of Shia Islam that way. Stupid filter.
 
2014-03-12 09:49:31 AM

Dansker: doomjesse: I try not to be a comspiracy nut job, but does this whole thing seem crazy from beginning to end? I mean plane disappears(usually when a plane crashes isn't there some sign of trouble or radio reports or something?), then we hear two people used stolen passports to get on board (but within a day we are told they "probably" weren't terrorists),

If it were terrorism someone would have taken credit by now.
The two guys travelling with stolen passports were Iranians, so probably shiates, which means not Al Qaeda. Reportedly they were fleeing Iran, ultimately heading for Europe to seek political asylum, which would explain both their itinerary and the passports.


They would have run out of fuel already. AND shown up on radar. And if the plane is parked, you'd see it in satellite photos. And you can't just land a plane anywhere, especially a giant boat like the triple seven. It needs a special long runway. It also would have come in heavy if it landed partway through its flight. Heavy meaning it would be loaded down with fuel and extremely dangerous to land and needing even more runway to stop.

I'm pretty sure they're dead underwater or buried in thick canopy.
 
2014-03-12 09:49:40 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: Every day I've been thinking this is some crazy coverage and stories coming from this jet crash.. I don't remember this level of insanity from US crashes. They just say oh it's gonna take us some time to find it, right? I'm not misremembering the past am I? Because the developments in this story have been telenovela level craziness.


are you talking about the pictures of the underage girls (17? at the time) in the cockpit with the co-pilot during the flight

my understanding is that the straits of malacca is busy enough with sea traffic that someone would have noticed airliner making unscheduled water landing, debris, or bodies by now
 
2014-03-12 09:49:48 AM

Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.


Yup.
 
2014-03-12 09:54:07 AM
It's not a proper missing airplane thread until someone posts a picture of the word "Lost", a picture of the movie "Millennium", and someone says something to the effect of "it will be in the last place they look", and then someone else feels the need to explain what that means.  Only then will I believe I am truly in another missing Malaysian airplane thread.
 
2014-03-12 09:54:07 AM

Confabulat: And does anyone remember a time when you could talk about Airport movies without giggling about Airplane?

I'd guess Airplane is far more remembered now than the movies it was inspired by, weird.


But you see,
it's an entirely different kind of flying. All together.
 
2014-03-12 09:55:25 AM

ummhima2: Cerebral Ballsy: Every day I've been thinking this is some crazy coverage and stories coming from this jet crash.. I don't remember this level of insanity from US crashes. They just say oh it's gonna take us some time to find it, right? I'm not misremembering the past am I? Because the developments in this story have been telenovela level craziness.

are you talking about the pictures of the underage girls (17? at the time) in the cockpit with the co-pilot during the flight

my understanding is that the straits of malacca is busy enough with sea traffic that someone would have noticed airliner making unscheduled water landing, debris, or bodies by now


I was talking about all the conflicted stories about where the plane was last seen, which body if water is it hiding under, the discord between the Senate and the CIA.. No wait, I meant between the Malaysian civilian air traffic controllers and the military base that claims to have seen the plane last.
 
2014-03-12 09:55:47 AM

nekom: thamike: It's actually beginning to sound a lot more like Air France flight 447, but with completely inept, constantly squabbling search parties.  And it took those guys a month to determine it crashed and two years to recover the black boxes.  So I wouldn't hold your breath.

Actually, no.  Debris from AF447 surfaced within a day or two, exactly where they expected it would be based on the ACARS data.  Yes it did take them 2 years to find the black boxes because they were in about 15,000 feet of water, but floating debris and in fact bodies were recovered within days.


Ah, yes.  i misread July instead of June.
 
2014-03-12 09:57:53 AM

Ned Stark: doomjesse: I try not to be a comspiracy nut job, but does this whole thing seem crazy from beginning to end? I mean plane disappears(usually when a plane crashes isn't there some sign of trouble or radio reports or something?), then we hear two people used stolen passports to get on board (but within a day we are told they "probably" weren't terrorists), now we are told no one even knows if the plane turned around? I'm not an engineer but wouldn't you see a long curving arc? It's not like you can throw it in reverse.

Why couldn't you just throw it in reverse?


civilian air traffic control lost the transponder signal bordering between malay and viet airspace while review of military radar tracked it for about another hour before it was lost over the straits of malacca

someone in the military radar center is going to be looking for a funeral suit for not saying anything about an unidentified contact for that long or flat sleeping through it

to me it sounds more like payne stewart than air france air france went straight into the drink payne stewart flew for hours ran out of fuel then crashed
 
2014-03-12 09:58:01 AM

Wolf_Blitzer: tkwasny: 1. Locate jet near Iran abandoned.
2. Local crew to fly jet back to the US (LALB, SF)
3. Detonate Iran's nuke over LALB or SF.
4. Don't need no stinkin' ICBM.

Because a random widebody entering US airspace without a filed flight plan would never be suspicious!


They will be squacking the expected and designated AIS. The air crew will work to convince through comms that they were released from capture and really, really badly want to come home now. All the passengers will be told the same story and through their cell phones will verify this to be true to their families and the press. They are all pawns of death.
 
2014-03-12 09:59:26 AM
Whoever solves it gets a fish biscuit!
 
2014-03-12 10:00:16 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: ummhima2: Cerebral Ballsy: Every day I've been thinking this is some crazy coverage and stories coming from this jet crash.. I don't remember this level of insanity from US crashes. They just say oh it's gonna take us some time to find it, right? I'm not misremembering the past am I? Because the developments in this story have been telenovela level craziness.

are you talking about the pictures of the underage girls (17? at the time) in the cockpit with the co-pilot during the flight

my understanding is that the straits of malacca is busy enough with sea traffic that someone would have noticed airliner making unscheduled water landing, debris, or bodies by now

I was talking about all the conflicted stories about where the plane was last seen, which body if water is it hiding under, the discord between the Senate and the CIA.. No wait, I meant between the Malaysian civilian air traffic controllers and the military base that claims to have seen the plane last.


Over Macho Grande?
 
2014-03-12 10:01:44 AM

SpectroBoy: frepnog: well, since there are no aliens here, no terrorist has taken real responsibility, Imma say the plane went down in water.  Probably all dead.  There is no great mystery here.

Why can't they find the debris field?


Because they haven't found it *yet*, not that they *can't* find it.

If they haven't found it in a year, that'll be a great mystery. So far, this has been a week. It's a big planet, you know? Needle/haystack...
 
2014-03-12 10:02:55 AM

Dansker: Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

Yup.


If the guys story rings true, it's down to the logical now.


Scenario 1) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is alive and flying what is left to fly. Radio is dead, transponder dead, flying by visual. Run out of gas before they find a point to land.

Scenario 2) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is dead from smoke inhalation/hypoxia. Plane continues on flying with the auto pilot on until it runs out of gas.
 
2014-03-12 10:05:21 AM
Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

A catastrophic failure of any sort could account for the lack of any mayday.  Don't forget the priorities of a pilot are in this order:  Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.  While wrestling a doomed airliner, it's not of any particular use to radio in:  "Hey, we're boned.  Like ROYALLY boned over here.  You can't help us, and I've got a lot on my hands, but I'd just like to let you guys know how farking screwed we are.  Over."

But... where's the debris?
 
2014-03-12 10:05:27 AM

Nana's Vibrator: Cerebral Ballsy: ummhima2: Cerebral Ballsy: Every day I've been thinking this is some crazy coverage and stories coming from this jet crash.. I don't remember this level of insanity from US crashes. They just say oh it's gonna take us some time to find it, right? I'm not misremembering the past am I? Because the developments in this story have been telenovela level craziness.

are you talking about the pictures of the underage girls (17? at the time) in the cockpit with the co-pilot during the flight

my understanding is that the straits of malacca is busy enough with sea traffic that someone would have noticed airliner making unscheduled water landing, debris, or bodies by now

I was talking about all the conflicted stories about where the plane was last seen, which body if water is it hiding under, the discord between the Senate and the CIA.. No wait, I meant between the Malaysian civilian air traffic controllers and the military base that claims to have seen the plane last.

Over Macho Grande?


No.

I don't think I'll get over Macho Grande.
 
2014-03-12 10:08:44 AM

Dansker: I swear I didn't spell followers of Shia Islam that way. Stupid filter.


that is how a lot of people spell it

supposedly the two on stolen passports were actually part of illegal immigration/human trafficking ring

do the recent statistics show that a terrorist involved in a mass murder is more likely to be middle age, white, home grown nut, and more increasingly christian and most importantly has a family that swears the person was mentally ill so why dont we wait until the plane turns up
 
2014-03-12 10:09:58 AM

italie: Dansker: Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

Yup.

If the guys story rings true, it's down to the logical now.


Scenario 1) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is alive and flying what is left to fly. Radio is dead, transponder dead, flying by visual. Run out of gas before they find a point to land.

Scenario 2) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is dead from smoke inhalation/hypoxia. Plane continues on flying with the auto pilot on until it runs out of gas.


When a plane catches fire, it goes down in flames within minutes.

Have you ever seen a structure fire? I have. It take a few minutes to destroy a room or a car. A plane doesn't last an hour on fire. There's no cruising on autopilot while the passengers and crew's corpses lie dead from smoke inhalation. The crew's oxygen drops down and they either navigate safely to a landing site or the plane disintegrates in the air while the crew tries to control it. Fire moves fast.
 
2014-03-12 10:10:11 AM
So, everybody who was on the plane is running around in random directions in some jungle somewhere, and whenever they bump into each other they say, "And why would I do that, John?" and "Why are you telling me this, Jack?" and then run off in different directions again?
 
2014-03-12 10:15:18 AM

Nana's Vibrator: Cerebral Ballsy: ummhima2: Cerebral Ballsy: Every day I've been thinking this is some crazy coverage and stories coming from this jet crash.. I don't remember this level of insanity from US crashes. They just say oh it's gonna take us some time to find it, right? I'm not misremembering the past am I? Because the developments in this story have been telenovela level craziness.

are you talking about the pictures of the underage girls (17? at the time) in the cockpit with the co-pilot during the flight

my understanding is that the straits of malacca is busy enough with sea traffic that someone would have noticed airliner making unscheduled water landing, debris, or bodies by now

I was talking about all the conflicted stories about where the plane was last seen, which body if water is it hiding under, the discord between the Senate and the CIA.. No wait, I meant between the Malaysian civilian air traffic controllers and the military base that claims to have seen the plane last.

Over Macho Grande?


*past flight
 
2014-03-12 10:17:35 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: italie: Dansker: Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

Yup.

If the guys story rings true, it's down to the logical now.


Scenario 1) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is alive and flying what is left to fly. Radio is dead, transponder dead, flying by visual. Run out of gas before they find a point to land.

Scenario 2) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is dead from smoke inhalation/hypoxia. Plane continues on flying with the auto pilot on until it runs out of gas.

When a plane catches fire, it goes down in flames within minutes.

Have you ever seen a structure fire? I have. It take a few minutes to destroy a room or a car. A plane doesn't last an hour on fire. There's no cruising on autopilot while the passengers and crew's corpses lie dead from smoke inhalation. The crew's oxygen drops down and they either navigate safely to a landing site or the plane disintegrates in the air while the crew tries to control it. Fire moves fast.


Payne Stewart 1999
 
2014-03-12 10:17:38 AM

nekom: Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

A catastrophic failure of any sort could account for the lack of any mayday.  Don't forget the priorities of a pilot are in this order:  Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.  While wrestling a doomed airliner, it's not of any particular use to radio in:  "Hey, we're boned.  Like ROYALLY boned over here.  You can't help us, and I've got a lot on my hands, but I'd just like to let you guys know how farking screwed we are.  Over."

But... where's the debris?


No debris found is evidence of zilch. It hasn't been found *yet*.
 
2014-03-12 10:17:43 AM
So people will spend years telling me it's the best airline disappearance ever, then biatch eternally about the resolution?
 
2014-03-12 10:18:23 AM
Stolen from Reddit.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-12 10:19:46 AM
all this talk about the plane reappearing somewhere suddenly and something just went boom in new york
 
2014-03-12 10:20:26 AM

Confabulat: Langoliers!


SCARING THE LITTLE GIRL??!
 
2014-03-12 10:23:02 AM

Mudd's woman: Confabulat: And does anyone remember a time when you could talk about Airport movies without giggling about Airplane?

I'd guess Airplane is far more remembered now than the movies it was inspired by, weird.

But you see,
it's an entirely different kind of flying. All together.


It's an entirely different kind of flying.
 
2014-03-12 10:23:16 AM
Cerebral Ballsy:
No debris found is evidence of zilch. It hasn't been found *yet*.

That's quite true, but given that it (maybe) went down in the gulf of Thailand in no more than 100 meters of water, one would think it would be spotted pretty quickly.
 
2014-03-12 10:23:17 AM

ummhima2: Cerebral Ballsy: italie: Dansker: Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

Yup.

If the guys story rings true, it's down to the logical now.


Scenario 1) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is alive and flying what is left to fly. Radio is dead, transponder dead, flying by visual. Run out of gas before they find a point to land.

Scenario 2) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is dead from smoke inhalation/hypoxia. Plane continues on flying with the auto pilot on until it runs out of gas.

When a plane catches fire, it goes down in flames within minutes.

Have you ever seen a structure fire? I have. It take a few minutes to destroy a room or a car. A plane doesn't last an hour on fire. There's no cruising on autopilot while the passengers and crew's corpses lie dead from smoke inhalation. The crew's oxygen drops down and they either navigate safely to a landing site or the plane disintegrates in the air while the crew tries to control it. Fire moves fast.

Payne Stewart 1999


Why do you guys keep referring to the Payne Stewart Learjet? I have no idea how a Learjet functions but a 777 has an alarm that sounds in the cockpit when there is cabin depressurization.

I was talking about fire. Hypoxia is a whole other issue and not likely to have occurred. Besides the audible alarm, the crew's oxygen masks would have deployed. It's almost impossible for hypoxia to be the cause.
 
2014-03-12 10:24:04 AM
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-12 10:24:25 AM

Confabulat: And does anyone remember a time when you could talk about Airport movies without giggling about Airplane?

I'd guess Airplane is far more remembered now than the movies it was inspired by, weird.


Yeah, Zero Hour! isn't well known at all.
 
2014-03-12 10:25:10 AM

nekom: Cerebral Ballsy:
No debris found is evidence of zilch. It hasn't been found *yet*.

That's quite true, but given that it (maybe) went down in the gulf of Thailand in no more than 100 meters of water, one would think it would be spotted pretty quickly.


Why would one think that? You can't see more than 30 meters down usually. You need a sub to see 100 meters.
 
2014-03-12 10:28:02 AM

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2014-03-12 10:28:49 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: italie: Dansker: Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

Yup.

If the guys story rings true, it's down to the logical now.


Scenario 1) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is alive and flying what is left to fly. Radio is dead, transponder dead, flying by visual. Run out of gas before they find a point to land.

Scenario 2) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is dead from smoke inhalation/hypoxia. Plane continues on flying with the auto pilot on until it runs out of gas.

When a plane catches fire, it goes down in flames within minutes.

Have you ever seen a structure fire? I have. It take a few minutes to destroy a room or a car. A plane doesn't last an hour on fire. There's no cruising on autopilot while the passengers and crew's corpses lie dead from smoke inhalation. The crew's oxygen drops down and they either navigate safely to a landing site or the plane disintegrates in the air while the crew tries to control it. Fire moves fast.


You are incorrect.
 
2014-03-12 10:29:09 AM
Damn you, downward spiraling. Terrified passengers were involved. Straight into water she went. RIP, passengers.
 
2014-03-12 10:29:19 AM

Doc Daneeka: The ending of that show has to be one of the most widely misunderstood endings of any TV show ever.  No, they didn't all die in the crash.  No, they weren't in purgatory the whole time. Yeesh.  If you stopped watching after the first season, your interpretation of the ending is probably wrong.

People love to criticize the show, especially its ending, but IMO there hasn't been a SciFi/Fantasy drama on TV as well-done and compelling since.  It was hell of a fun ride while it was on.  The only other similar show I felt the same way about was the X-Files.


I think the ending was pretty clear. After the crash, and before they were all in the church, they
 
2014-03-12 10:30:14 AM

Galileo's Daughter: Confabulat: Langoliers!

SCARING THE LITTLE GIRL??!


nope news now showing building explosion collapse and fire in harlem close enough to grand central that trains are temporarily delayed until further notice few thousand miles away i git skeered when some asshat whack job in a country that barely has a 50% literacy rate starts trying to blow up all the emergency services...did i mention that the only firetruck i have seen in 8 years says EOD on the side and local yokkels do weird stuff like walk boom sniffing dogs through the neighbor hood

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/24953208/nypd-respond-to-reports-of-bui ld ing-explosion
 
2014-03-12 10:34:45 AM

italie: Dansker: Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

Yup.

If the guys story rings true, it's down to the logical now.


Scenario 1) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is alive and flying what is left to fly. Radio is dead, transponder dead, flying by visual. Run out of gas before they find a point to land.

Scenario 2) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is dead from smoke inhalation/hypoxia. Plane continues on flying with the auto pilot on until it runs out of gas.


My problem with the "electronics went out, and the pilots had to fly using visuals only" is that a lot of people have smartphones now, and nearly every smartphone I know of has GPS. Of the 239 people on the plane, someone would have a smartphone with GPS with an offline mapping software (Google Maps cache even). If nothing else, there's likely to have been dozens and dozens of GPS-enabled phones that would have been able to at least give the flight crew lat/lon coordinates to direct their flight (there are many GPS apps that just give lat/lon/altitude information without needing access to the internet or needing cell service).  As such, the crew should have been able to get the plane to an airport if flight controls were not significantly compromised.

If the plane did indeed change course by nearly 150 degrees as the Malaysian military suggested happened, that implies to me that it was deliberate. It's possible ,of course, that the crew was disabled, and someone somehow changed the autopilot path, but that seems no more likely than several other hypotheses.  Heck, I've come across several reports that say that the last known location according to military radar was over the Strait of Malacca at an altitude of 32,000', which means that the plane may NOT have dropped in altitude when it was flying back to the southwest.  That's second-hand or third-hand information, though.

I'm shocked that large commercial jets aren't tracked in real-time now. It's 2014 for crying out loud, but we can't find a way to put satellite-based communications on aircraft to allow it to report real-time flight data? Heck, if there are questions about the logistics of handling so much flight data from the global fleet of commercial jets, just put in a system that would only transmit the most important flight information (lat/lon, altitude, heading, speed, etc.) when the flight deviates appreciably from the flight plan.  This really doesn't sound like rocket science here...
 
2014-03-12 10:35:15 AM
Cerebral Ballsy:
Why would one think that? You can't see more than 30 meters down usually. You need a sub to see 100 meters.

Air France went down in thousands of feet of water in the middle of the ocean, yet within a few days there was significant debris and even bodies found.  TWA 800 exploded in mid-air, yet there was a significant debris field including fire on the ocean surface.  Half a dozen nations are out there looking with tons of assets.  It's just puzzling that nobody has found something, ANYTHING, yet.  A seat cushion, a suitcase, anything.
 
2014-03-12 10:35:51 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: ummhima2: Cerebral Ballsy: italie: Dansker: Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

Yup.

If the guys story rings true, it's down to the logical now.


Scenario 1) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is alive and flying what is left to fly. Radio is dead, transponder dead, flying by visual. Run out of gas before they find a point to land.

Scenario 2) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is dead from smoke inhalation/hypoxia. Plane continues on flying with the auto pilot on until it runs out of gas.

When a plane catches fire, it goes down in flames within minutes.

Have you ever seen a structure fire? I have. It take a few minutes to destroy a room or a car. A plane doesn't last an hour on fire. There's no cruising on autopilot while the passengers and crew's corpses lie dead from smoke inhalation. The crew's oxygen drops down and they either navigate safely to a landing site or the plane disintegrates in the air while the crew tries to control it. Fire moves fast.

Payne Stewart 1999

Why do you guys keep referring to the Payne Stewart Learjet? I have no idea how a Learjet functions but a 777 has an alarm that sounds in the cockpit when there is cabin depressurization.

I was talking about fire. Hypoxia is a whole other issue and not likely to have occurred. Besides the audible alarm, the crew's oxygen masks would have deployed. It's almost impossible for hypoxia to be the cause.


if your read the accident report the oxygen masks did drop but there was no delivery of oxygen to the masks so hypoxia and yes most planes have a fire alarm warning light thingy with audio similar to "fire in left engine, fire in left engine"

http://planecrashinfo.com/1999/1999-60.htm

it also veered off course in a similar way
 
2014-03-12 10:37:40 AM

This text is now purple: Yeah, Zero Hour! isn't well known at all.


Never heard of it. Bet I'm not in the minority either.
 
2014-03-12 10:38:11 AM

Doc Daneeka: The ending of that show has to be one of the most widely misunderstood endings of any TV show ever.  No, they didn't all die in the crash.  No, they weren't in purgatory the whole time. Yeesh.  If you stopped watching after the first season, your interpretation of the ending is probably wrong.

People love to criticize the show, especially its ending, but IMO there hasn't been a SciFi/Fantasy drama on TV as well-done and compelling since.  It was hell of a fun ride while it was on.  The only other similar show I felt the same way about was the X-Files.


The problem I had with the ending was that it SEEMED like it was building to something more interesting, like the nuke created an alternate timeline and the two were briefly existing simultaneously until a universe-destroying paradox worked itself out, with Desmond being key to choosing what version of events happens. But the way that it worked out, the whole alternate universe was just an afterlife fantasy, so it really never amounted to anything dramatically. Half of the final season turned into "it was just a dream", which was crap.

THAT'S what annoyed fans. The show could have done so much more with the last season with the story elements that were there, but in the end half of the season was just wasted on a happy ending fantasy world.
 
2014-03-12 10:41:57 AM

nekom: Cerebral Ballsy:
Why would one think that? You can't see more than 30 meters down usually. You need a sub to see 100 meters.

Air France went down in thousands of feet of water in the middle of the ocean, yet within a few days there was significant debris and even bodies found.  TWA 800 exploded in mid-air, yet there was a significant debris field including fire on the ocean surface.  Half a dozen nations are out there looking with tons of assets.  It's just puzzling that nobody has found something, ANYTHING, yet.  A seat cushion, a suitcase, anything.


Just because it's not been found yet doesn't mean it's not there. They haven't even agreed on where to look. There Air France flight was found in several days because it was still on the flight path, did you know that? This flight wasn't on its flight path. His flight turned around. No one knows where it was.
 
2014-03-12 10:44:49 AM
Cerebral Ballsy:
Just because it's not been found yet doesn't mean it's not there. They haven't even agreed on where to look. There Air France flight was found in several days because it was still on the flight path, did you know that? This flight wasn't on its flight path. His flight turned around. No one knows where it was.

We're not sure it turned around.  The Malaysian government is either hiding something (unlikely) or totally incompetent.  They said they had a primary track out west that they believed was the plane, but now they seem to be backing off on that.  This whole SAR operation seems to be an absolute clusterfark.  And if it DID in fact turn west and kept going beyond radar range, it's likely deep at the bottom of the Indian ocean where it may never be found.
 
2014-03-12 10:45:32 AM

Confabulat: This text is now purple: Yeah, Zero Hour! isn't well known at all.

Never heard of it. Bet I'm not in the minority either.


Surely you can't be serious.
 
2014-03-12 10:49:35 AM

nekom: Cerebral Ballsy:
Just because it's not been found yet doesn't mean it's not there. They haven't even agreed on where to look. There Air France flight was found in several days because it was still on the flight path, did you know that? This flight wasn't on its flight path. His flight turned around. No one knows where it was.

We're not sure it turned around.  The Malaysian government is either hiding something (unlikely) or totally incompetent.  They said they had a primary track out west that they believed was the plane, but now they seem to be backing off on that.  This whole SAR operation seems to be an absolute clusterfark.  And if it DID in fact turn west and kept going beyond radar range, it's likely deep at the bottom of the Indian ocean where it may never be found.


I think between the crowd sourcing and the intense news coverage, it'll be found. Despite the massive clusterfark. And what could they be covering up? What.. A terrorist act? Why cover that up?

Simplest answer = most likely answer IMHO
 
2014-03-12 10:49:35 AM

nekom: Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

A catastrophic failure of any sort could account for the lack of any mayday.  Don't forget the priorities of a pilot are in this order:  Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.  While wrestling a doomed airliner, it's not of any particular use to radio in:  "Hey, we're boned.  Like ROYALLY boned over here.  You can't help us, and I've got a lot on my hands, but I'd just like to let you guys know how farking screwed we are.  Over."

But... where's the debris?



My thought is the debris is on the side of some mountain somewhere, which is why all the ocean searching isn't finding anything.
 
2014-03-12 10:51:00 AM
Sounds like Sum Ting Wong is up to his old tricks again.
 
2014-03-12 10:56:16 AM

ummhima2: all this talk about the plane reappearing somewhere suddenly and something just went boom in new york


Building explosion in East Harlem
http://www.ny1.com/content/news/205127/continuing-coverage--crews-on -s cene-of-east-harlem-building-explosion
 
2014-03-12 10:59:42 AM
I'm going with meteor strike.
 
2014-03-12 11:01:48 AM
The idea that the plane (and people) may have vanished into the ocean deep and far enough off course to not be found/recovered reminds me of the flight that drilled down into the Everglades. Nothing recoverable and there is now a memorial at the site.

A friend of mine, unfamiliar with the 'glades, had a bit of a struggle understanding how that particular crash ended. "What do you mean, it just is *gone*?"

"Missing and unknown forever" would be so painful for families - I hope they find something definitive soon no matter how bad.
 
2014-03-12 11:11:29 AM

Mad_Radhu: Doc Daneeka: The ending of that show has to be one of the most widely misunderstood endings of any TV show ever.  No, they didn't all die in the crash.  No, they weren't in purgatory the whole time. Yeesh.  If you stopped watching after the first season, your interpretation of the ending is probably wrong.

People love to criticize the show, especially its ending, but IMO there hasn't been a SciFi/Fantasy drama on TV as well-done and compelling since.  It was hell of a fun ride while it was on.  The only other similar show I felt the same way about was the X-Files.

The problem I had with the ending was that it SEEMED like it was building to something more interesting, like the nuke created an alternate timeline and the two were briefly existing simultaneously until a universe-destroying paradox worked itself out, with Desmond being key to choosing what version of events happens. But the way that it worked out, the whole alternate universe was just an afterlife fantasy, so it really never amounted to anything dramatically. Half of the final season turned into "it was just a dream", which was crap.

THAT'S what annoyed fans. The show could have done so much more with the last season with the story elements that were there, but in the end half of the season was just wasted on a happy ending fantasy world.


What annoyed me was that the creators outright lied to the fans.  They said in an interview that every question had an answer and would be answered before the series ended.  They left SO much hanging it was ludicrous.
 
2014-03-12 11:12:16 AM

Ned Stark: doomjesse: I try not to be a comspiracy nut job, but does this whole thing seem crazy from beginning to end? I mean plane disappears(usually when a plane crashes isn't there some sign of trouble or radio reports or something?), then we hear two people used stolen passports to get on board (but within a day we are told they "probably" weren't terrorists), now we are told no one even knows if the plane turned around? I'm not an engineer but wouldn't you see a long curving arc? It's not like you can throw it in reverse.

Why couldn't you just throw it in reverse?



....... because the jet stream and slip stream would be crossed.

Never do that.
 
2014-03-12 11:14:17 AM

parasol: The idea that the plane (and people) may have vanished into the ocean deep and far enough off course to not be found/recovered reminds me of the flight that drilled down into the Everglades. Nothing recoverable and there is now a memorial at the site.

A friend of mine, unfamiliar with the 'glades, had a bit of a struggle understanding how that particular crash ended. "What do you mean, it just is *gone*?"

"Missing and unknown forever" would be so painful for families - I hope they find something definitive soon no matter how bad.


Especially given the roller coaster ride they've been through so far.  Their plane is almost certainly crashed and they're dead!? FARK!  Wait, they turned and went another 300 miles?  Maybe there's hope still!  Oh wait, you mean maybe they didn't?

It's gotta suck.
 
2014-03-12 11:18:36 AM

WxGuy1: I'm shocked that large commercial jets aren't tracked in real-time now.


They are, using their transponders.  Switch the transponder off and it's difficult to track oceanic flights.  Radar has a limited range, and we can't cover all the ocean with it.

It's coming down to A)  The transponder was switched off, which means terrorism, or B)  The transponder, communications, and flight controls all failed simultaneously, which means something broke in an outrageously unlikely way.
 
2014-03-12 11:23:11 AM

nekom: parasol: The idea that the plane (and people) may have vanished into the ocean deep and far enough off course to not be found/recovered reminds me of the flight that drilled down into the Everglades. Nothing recoverable and there is now a memorial at the site.

A friend of mine, unfamiliar with the 'glades, had a bit of a struggle understanding how that particular crash ended. "What do you mean, it just is *gone*?"

"Missing and unknown forever" would be so painful for families - I hope they find something definitive soon no matter how bad.

Especially given the roller coaster ride they've been through so far.  Their plane is almost certainly crashed and they're dead!? FARK!  Wait, they turned and went another 300 miles?  Maybe there's hope still!  Oh wait, you mean maybe they didn't?

It's gotta suck.


csb

My wife's grandparents (well, step grandparents, that is to say, her step sisters grandparents) died in a small plane crash a few years ago.  The family didn't know until the following morning when news crews arrived at their front door to interveiw them about it. It was just awful. Especialyl considering they were flying home early from a wedding because my wife's step brother was just in a serious motorcycle accident and they wanted to be with their grandson when he was out of surgery...

/csb
 
2014-03-12 11:23:27 AM

serialsuicidebomber: Ned Stark: doomjesse: I try not to be a comspiracy nut job, but does this whole thing seem crazy from beginning to end? I mean plane disappears(usually when a plane crashes isn't there some sign of trouble or radio reports or something?), then we hear two people used stolen passports to get on board (but within a day we are told they "probably" weren't terrorists), now we are told no one even knows if the plane turned around? I'm not an engineer but wouldn't you see a long curving arc? It's not like you can throw it in reverse.

Why couldn't you just throw it in reverse?


....... because the jet stream and slip stream would be crossed.

Never do that.


So it would, what, crash the plane?
 
2014-03-12 11:35:46 AM
Was it flight  4-8-15-16-23-42?
 
2014-03-12 11:40:10 AM

nekom: A catastrophic failure of any sort could account for the lack of any mayday.  Don't forget the priorities of a pilot are in this order:  Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.  While wrestling a doomed airliner, it's not of any particular use to radio in:  "Hey, we're boned.  Like ROYALLY boned over here.  You can't help us, and I've got a lot on my hands, but I'd just like to let you guys know how farking screwed we are.  Over."

But... where's the debris?



I'm thinking a catastrophic failure of electronics/electrical, but they still had flight control.  Enough control to attempt a water landing a la Miracle On The Hudson.  The pilot dumps excess fuel prior to landing, so no oil slick.  The plane sinks before anything or anyone can get out, so there's no debris.  The emergency slides double as rafts for water landings, but they're tiny in a big ocean.  Not sure how long they would remain inflated, especially in moderate to rough seas.
 
2014-03-12 11:53:19 AM

WxGuy1: I'm shocked that large commercial jets aren't tracked in real-time now. It's 2014 for crying out loud, but we can't find a way to put satellite-based communications on aircraft to allow it to report real-time flight data? Heck, if there are questions about the logistics of handling so much flight data from the global fleet of commercial jets, just put in a system that would only transmit the most important flight information (lat/lon, altitude, heading, speed, etc.) when the flight deviates appreciably from the flight plan.  This really doesn't sound like rocket science here...


Watched a news segment where an aviation expert commented about this.  Given the large number of planes in the air and the cost of satellite comms, it's not economically feasible nor justified given the near-perfect safety record of today's airlines.  How many have been lost over water in the past decade??

I suggest a sea-based chain of floats, anchored along the Great Circle flight paths where planes are beyond land-based radar range (about 120 miles, IIRC).  The system would collect data from just those limited number of planes and store the data.  If a plane is lost, the data from each float is collected to isolate the last known position.  Data storage would overwrite old data after a few days, so you don't need Tbs of storage.

No reason to use sats to track all flights when ground-based radar can capture most of them already.  Just need something to cover the gaps in coverage for the limited number of long-range overseas flights.
 
2014-03-12 11:58:03 AM

Bendal: My thought is the debris is on the side of some mountain somewhere, which is why all the ocean searching isn't finding anything.


But there's no automatic ping from the black boxes.  They're designed to start pinging in case of a land crash, just like the pinging if they crash into water.  Nothing from EITHER system, which has people really freaked out.

The plane might be underneath a triple-canopy jungle, but would that stop a radio signal from a black box???
 
2014-03-12 12:09:16 PM
i59.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-12 12:11:40 PM

nekom: Cerebral Ballsy:
Just because it's not been found yet doesn't mean it's not there. They haven't even agreed on where to look. There Air France flight was found in several days because it was still on the flight path, did you know that? This flight wasn't on its flight path. His flight turned around. No one knows where it was.

We're not sure it turned around.   The Malaysian government is either hiding something (unlikely) or totally incompetent.  They said they had a primary track out west that they believed was the plane, but now they seem to be backing off on that.  This whole SAR operation seems to be an absolute clusterfark.  And if it DID in fact turn west and kept going beyond radar range, it's likely deep at the bottom of the Indian ocean where it may never be found.


Its looking more and more like the real news would be destabilsing to world affairs.
Trillions would be lost in the world stock markets.
War drums would be drummn
some leaders got the spins
Dramamine won't help.
 
2014-03-12 12:21:17 PM

nekom: thamike: It's actually beginning to sound a lot more like Air France flight 447, but with completely inept, constantly squabbling search parties.  And it took those guys a month to determine it crashed and two years to recover the black boxes.  So I wouldn't hold your breath.

Actually, no.  Debris from AF447 surfaced within a day or two, exactly where they expected it would be based on the ACARS data.  Yes it did take them 2 years to find the black boxes because they were in about 15,000 feet of water, but floating debris and in fact bodies were recovered within days.


Plus, the ACARS data was full of worsening anomalies, and the existence of that data started being mentioned by the press within the first several hours of the plane being declared overdue.  It was a big mystery WHAT happened and why, but not where or what the fate of the plane was.
 
2014-03-12 12:33:15 PM

SpdrJay: So it makes no sense and insults your intelligence?


That's typically what low IQ people say about Lost. Perhaps you should stick to watching procedural cop shows and Dance Moms. That might be more your speed.
 
2014-03-12 12:37:30 PM
WxGuy1:

"......I'm shocked that large commercial jets aren't tracked in real-time now. It's 2014 for crying out loud, but we can't find a way to put satellite-based communications on aircraft to allow it to report real-time flight data? ....."


The thing i hate about aircraft & the people that run that show is the scrimping of nickles and dimes when so many lives are bet upon perfect conditions.
Planes could easily be tracked, weigh 20% more, have ejection capsules, stronger components etc.
Ticket prices could triple and pretty much the same number of people would fly...

The way it is now, almost any minor flaw out of thousands of possible failures can doom everyone on board, sometimes while on or near the ground.
Maybe its time we mark up the cost of air travel and pay for a few simple safety features.
 There is no reason a cabin full of people should have to die because the engines quit.

Airlines currently saving a few bucks on black boxes and realtime tracking is stupid,
just look at the money being spent now, because of  airline corporate greed.
All the airlines should be tolled for the costs of the searches, and passengers should be tolled for the costs of improvements.

The cabin could be outfitted as a detachable re-entry vehicle, parachutes, etc.
No one is even working on solutions like that, which is why my idea sounds preposterous.
 Humans have no business flying if they refuse to solve these simple problems.
 
2014-03-12 12:37:57 PM

Shepherd: WxGuy1: I'm shocked that large commercial jets aren't tracked in real-time now.

They are, using their transponders.  Switch the transponder off and it's difficult to track oceanic flights.  Radar has a limited range, and we can't cover all the ocean with it.

It's coming down to A)  The transponder was switched off, which means terrorism, or B)  The transponder, communications, and flight controls all failed simultaneously, which means something broke in an outrageously unlikely way.


There are large gaps in radio coverage in that area. It is possible the transpoder/ADS was functional, just not picked up.
 
2014-03-12 12:51:50 PM
omnparts.com
They're looking in the wrong place!
 
2014-03-12 01:23:49 PM

indy_kid: nekom: A catastrophic failure of any sort could account for the lack of any mayday.  Don't forget the priorities of a pilot are in this order:  Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.  While wrestling a doomed airliner, it's not of any particular use to radio in:  "Hey, we're boned.  Like ROYALLY boned over here.  You can't help us, and I've got a lot on my hands, but I'd just like to let you guys know how farking screwed we are.  Over."

But... where's the debris?


I'm thinking a catastrophic failure of electronics/electrical, but they still had flight control.  Enough control to attempt a water landing a la Miracle On The Hudson.  The pilot dumps excess fuel prior to landing, so no oil slick.  The plane sinks before anything or anyone can get out, so there's no debris.  The emergency slides double as rafts for water landings, but they're tiny in a big ocean.  Not sure how long they would remain inflated, especially in moderate to rough seas.


But do intact planes sink that quickly before passengers can get out? The Wiki on flights landing on water suggests that intact planes can float for quite a bit.
 
2014-03-12 01:33:38 PM
I heard a report this morning that family members are STILL able to call the cell phones. How? If not destroyed in a catastrophic crash, wouldn't they have lost their charge by now? Are none of those phones trackable?

Also, what excuse will be given if days of CROWD SOURCED searching goes on and finds nothing?
 
2014-03-12 01:34:57 PM
I think the Pandits had something to do with this. Their loose and angry, you know.
 
2014-03-12 01:38:04 PM

Witness99: I heard a report this morning that family members are STILL able to call the cell phones. How? If not destroyed in a catastrophic crash, wouldn't they have lost their charge by now?


www6.pcmag.com

/we are going backwards
 
2014-03-12 01:48:52 PM

ummhima2: Dansker: I swear I didn't spell followers of Shia Islam that way. Stupid filter.

that is how a lot of people spell it

supposedly the two on stolen passports were actually part of illegal immigration/human trafficking ring

do the recent statistics show that a terrorist involved in a mass murder is more likely to be middle age, white, home grown nut, and more increasingly christian and most importantly has a family that swears the person was mentally ill so why dont we wait until the plane turns up


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use these.
 
2014-03-12 01:56:19 PM

Witness99: I heard a report this morning that family members are STILL able to call the cell phones. How? If not destroyed in a catastrophic crash, wouldn't they have lost their charge by now?


yeah, this is a load of dingo's kidneys.  those phones are either sitting with dead batteries or underwater.

Sure you can call them.  Let me know when someone answers.
 
2014-03-12 01:57:39 PM
www.adultswimalternative.com
 
2014-03-12 02:20:33 PM
My Conspiracy Theory: Someone (Russians perhaps) wanted something or someone on the flight, so waited till it was out to sea, took over (or just paid off the pilot), disabled the transmitters, and flew it to a waiting private/military airstrip.

Okay, I don't think that's very likely, but until we get some debris it's more fun than 'It crashed.'
 
2014-03-12 03:52:56 PM
Never attribute to a vast, complex, carefully orchestrated conspiracy of evil super-geniuses that which is adequately explained by the pants-on-head, potato-level bungling of incompetent bureaucrats.

The Malaysian authorities appear to simply have no farking idea what happened, inadequate systems in place to record any clues to what happened, and have done a poor job of communicating to the public, the press, and to search partners.

As for "somebody must have seen something", it's a part of the world where many people at sea have no desire to interact with authorities either because they're up to no particular good (piracy, slavery, drugs), or they've got bigger concerns on their plates (getting a catch to market so they don't starve this week), or no channel through which to report anything. They may not even know that what they've seen is significant amongst the other trash that floats in the sea.
 
2014-03-12 04:31:59 PM
If the transponder is the only reliable way of tracking commercial airliners, why in the fark is there an OFF switch on them?

Is there any legitimate reason that you wouldn't want to be trackable (unless you're taking that 777 for a ride to visit your mistress?)
 
2014-03-12 04:44:08 PM

ummhima2: all this talk about the plane reappearing somewhere suddenly and something just went boom in new york


I think New York was feeling left out of the tragedy loop for a couple days, and just blew up a couple buildings for attention. A building in San Francisco burned down? We're New York! Blow up two!
 
2014-03-12 05:21:16 PM

JSTACAT: WxGuy1:

"......I'm shocked that large commercial jets aren't tracked in real-time now. It's 2014 for crying out loud, but we can't find a way to put satellite-based communications on aircraft to allow it to report real-time flight data? ....."


The thing i hate about aircraft & the people that run that show is the scrimping of nickles and dimes when so many lives are bet upon perfect conditions.
Planes could easily be tracked, weigh 20% more, have ejection capsules, stronger components etc.
Ticket prices could triple and pretty much the same number of people would fly...

The way it is now, almost any minor flaw out of thousands of possible failures can doom everyone on board, sometimes while on or near the ground.
Maybe its time we mark up the cost of air travel and pay for a few simple safety features.
 There is no reason a cabin full of people should have to die because the engines quit.

Airlines currently saving a few bucks on black boxes and realtime tracking is stupid,
just look at the money being spent now, because of  airline corporate greed.
All the airlines should be tolled for the costs of the searches, and passengers should be tolled for the costs of improvements.

The cabin could be outfitted as a detachable re-entry vehicle, parachutes, etc.
No one is even working on solutions like that, which is why my idea sounds preposterous.
 Humans have no business flying if they refuse to solve these simple problems.


No, your idea sounds preposterous because it is preposterous. Even if it stopped every single fatality (which it won't) you're talking close to a billion dollars per life saved. That is not in any way shape or form a worthwhile investment.
 
2014-03-12 05:41:11 PM

Clemkadidlefark: [www.adultswimalternative.com image 275x153]


Indeed.
 
2014-03-12 07:11:55 PM

ummhima2: Cerebral Ballsy: ummhima2: Cerebral Ballsy: italie: Dansker: Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

Yup.

If the guys story rings true, it's down to the logical now.


Scenario 1) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is alive and flying what is left to fly. Radio is dead, transponder dead, flying by visual. Run out of gas before they find a point to land.

Scenario 2) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is dead from smoke inhalation/hypoxia. Plane continues on flying with the auto pilot on until it runs out of gas.

When a plane catches fire, it goes down in flames within minutes.

Have you ever seen a structure fire? I have. It take a few minutes to destroy a room or a car. A plane doesn't last an hour on fire. There's no cruising on autopilot while the passengers and crew's corpses lie dead from smoke inhalation. The crew's oxygen drops down and they either navigate safely to a landing site or the plane disintegrates in the air while the crew tries to control it. Fire moves fast.

Payne Stewart 1999

Why do you guys keep referring to the Payne Stewart Learjet? I have no idea how a Learjet functions but a 777 has an alarm that sounds in the cockpit when there is cabin depressurization.

I was talking about fire. Hypoxia is a whole other issue and not likely to have occurred. Besides the audible alarm, the crew's oxygen masks would have deployed. It's almost impossible for hypoxia to be the cause.

if your read the accident report the oxygen masks did drop but there was no delivery of oxygen to the masks so hypoxia and yes most planes have a fire alarm warning light thingy with audio similar to "fire in left engine, fire in left engine"

http://planecrashinfo.com/1999/1999-60.htm

it also veered off course in a similar way


If you want to see a more relevant case, there's an actual commercial flight this occurred on. But it's very unlikely, far less common than fire.
 
2014-03-12 07:17:00 PM

WxGuy1: italie: Dansker: Cerebral Ballsy:
Since I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation, my answer is: fire brought on by shorted out wiring. Fire wipes out a plane with alarming speed and will knock out multiple systems at once, and could have prevented the pilots from radioing mayday.

Yup.

If the guys story rings true, it's down to the logical now.


Scenario 1) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is alive and flying what is left to fly. Radio is dead, transponder dead, flying by visual. Run out of gas before they find a point to land.

Scenario 2) Plane is disabled by fire/explosion. Crew is dead from smoke inhalation/hypoxia. Plane continues on flying with the auto pilot on until it runs out of gas.

My problem with the "electronics went out, and the pilots had to fly using visuals only" is that a lot of people have smartphones now, and nearly every smartphone I know of has GPS. Of the 239 people on the plane, someone would have a smartphone with GPS with an offline mapping software (Google Maps cache even). If nothing else, there's likely to have been dozens and dozens of GPS-enabled phones that would have been able to at least give the flight crew lat/lon coordinates to direct their flight (there are many GPS apps that just give lat/lon/altitude information without needing access to the internet or needing cell service).  As such, the crew should have been able to get the plane to an airport if flight controls were not significantly compromised.

If the plane did indeed change course by nearly 150 degrees as the Malaysian military suggested happened, that implies to me that it was deliberate. It's possible ,of course, that the crew was disabled, and someone somehow changed the autopilot path, but that seems no more likely than several other hypotheses.  Heck, I've come across several reports that say that the last known location according to military radar was over the Strait of Malacca at an altitude of 32,000', which means that the plane may NOT have dropped in altitude when it was flying back to the southwest.  That's second-hand or third-hand information, though.

I'm shocked that large commercial jets aren't tracked in real-time now. It's 2014 for crying out loud, but we can't find a way to put satellite-based communications on aircraft to allow it to report real-time flight data? Heck, if there are questions about the logistics of handling so much flight data from the global fleet of commercial jets, just put in a system that would only transmit the most important flight information (lat/lon, altitude, heading, speed, etc.) when the flight deviates appreciably from the flight plan.  This really doesn't sound like rocket science here...


When controls go out on a commercial aircraft, there is a backup generator and occasionally a backup to the backup wind-powered generator. Without a root cause, like, say, an engine explosion, equipment is really unlikely to just fail.


I haven't kept up in the last few days.. If the plane didn't turn around like they're claiming then all bets are off. It really could be anything.
 
2014-03-12 07:27:08 PM

TerminalEchoes: SpdrJay: So it makes no sense and insults your intelligence?

That's typically what low IQ people say about Lost. Perhaps you should stick to watching procedural cop shows and Dance Moms. That might be more your speed.


I have a high IQ. Lost sucked ass. Is that what high IQ people normally say about Lost?

WTF attacking people because they don't like your show? What a stupid thing to get mad at someone about.
 
2014-03-12 10:08:37 PM

taoistlumberjak: I've seen the theory that Best Korea stole it.  That's both an insane theory and completely frightening all at the same time.
I would hope that hijacking and hiding a commercial airliner would be grounds for termination these days.


It couldn't get to North Korea without being detected by radar in South Korea and China.
 
2014-03-13 12:00:19 AM

You Are All Sheep: at first I was thinking shot down because of the sudden disappearance, but because of what radar is like in that area, and it can take quite a while between updates, is it possible to have rerouted the jet and landed it quickly somewhere?


... somewhere large enough for a 777, the largest twin-engine aircraft, to land, yet isolated enough that they are unable to make contact with the rest of the world for nearly a week? I don't think there is such a place.
 
2014-03-13 09:11:46 AM

Goatspunk: Stolen from Reddit.

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