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2014-03-12 01:24:22 AM
13 votes:
FTFA: "One night in May, however, she was grabbed, dragged into a construction area, beaten, restrained with bungee cord and duct tape, and then raped. As he was leaving her there, she recognized him as her boyfriend. A campus security guard discovered her, still restrained with the cord and tape, and took her to the campus clinic to file a report. In the next 24 hours, she went to the hospital, reported her attack to the police, and stayed the night with her parents. However, when she arrived back on campus with a black eye and a broken arm, her family was confronted by the dean of women and told that Beth was being expelled "because she is a fornicator."

PCC took no action against Beth's boyfriend. He graduated with honors and is now a pastor."

Okay, there has to be something missing from this story. I know that most women don't report rape, but here it says she filed a report. Even if she failed to go through with pressing charges, kidnapping and false imprisonment (and potentially attempted murder for leaving her there bound) are all crimes for which the victim doesn't have to press charges, the state can. So even if the school didn't take action, the guy should have been arrested and had a trial. The article makes no mention of this one way or the other. If he had a trial and was acquitted, then the college shouldn't have taken any action against him, because in the eyes of the law he is innocent. If he was never brought to trial despite the evidence, there is more screwed up here than a Christian college's honor code.
2014-03-12 04:55:29 AM
8 votes:

MagicMissile: It's not Christians doing these things ... It's sick and evil ..people..... If you can call them that..... Using Christianity as a smoke screen to commit their crimes . Unfortunately there are a lot of non religious evil twisted farkers out there that see Christianity and other religious venues as a place to hide and find victims. Laws need to be put in place to better detect and track these types of people, and like I mentioned it should become a felony with very strict penalties for abusing religious names and venues in this manner including incarceration and deportation as well as permanent exile.


So your plan is to pretend that Christians who do horrible things are actually atheists who infiltrate religious venues to hide and find victims? Then you have the audacity to insinuate that anyone who disagrees with your position is naive. 

You have demonstrated that you are not a good person. You not only can't accept the reality that not all "Christians" are decent people, but you tried to demonize people who had nothing to do with this situation. You know those "bad Christians" you and others are talking about? You're one of them. Shame on the people who taught you to think that way.
2014-03-12 12:53:36 AM
8 votes:

AirForceVet: Sounds like a great reason not to send your kids to THAT school.

Cue "You're gonna get raped" meme.


as bad as this is, were it only confined to the elite few christians all locked in the same campus and raping one another in between classes, that would be bad enough.  ok, horrific enough really.  But the crazy christian elite who run these schools train to bring their toxic culture out of their cozy little rape boxes and inflict those ideals on the rest of the country.  that's the end goal - a 'christian nation'.  in the interim, they'll settle for taking over local and state governments and putting their twisted ideology into practice.  these people scare me.  not just because they see women as disposable sex objects but because they honestly believe that they can do no wrong.  they see themselves as the chosen of their lord god almighty - by definition they CANNOT be in the wrong.  that sort of world view is very very dangerous.
2014-03-12 04:18:08 AM
6 votes:
Ok ... If all this is true then just know that this isn't a Christian anything .... Christianity teaches that everything described in this story from the brutal assaults, rapes, expelling the victims , calling them " dirty vessels " and so on are all very evil things to do . Christianity teaches love, compassion, forgiveness, and that we are all imperfect but that God has love for all of us. We need only admit that we are sinners and reject our sins as much as we can , and accept Jesus Christ as our savior.

What is described in this story, if it's true... It is an evil organization that is falsely calling itself Christian and getting away with it. There should be an investigation , arrests made and people jailed over this . That college should be shut down as well . It should be a felony to falsely claim you represent a religion for personal gain and or to hijack a religion by using its name and then committing your crimes.
2014-03-11 11:50:38 PM
6 votes:
Can we send these people to a country where they'll fit in better? Like Saudi Arabia?


a culture that teaches women who have sex are like used toothbrushes and half-eaten candybars

You can send all those used toothbrushes and half-eaten candybars my way. I'll take them.
2014-03-12 06:12:49 AM
5 votes:
MagicMissile:

It's not Christians doing these things ... It's sick and evil ..people..... If you can call them that..... Using Christianity as a smoke screen to commit their crimes . Unfortunately there are a lot of non religious evil twisted farkers out there that see Christianity and other religious venues as a place to hide and find victims. Laws need to be put in place to better detect and track these types of people, and like I mentioned it should become a felony with very strict penalties for abusing religious names and venues in this manner including incarceration and deportation as well as permanent exile.

uh...nope.  this is being done by a rather significant faction of modern Christianity.  you might not want them on your side (and I get it if you're disgusted with 'em, no argument from me on that score!) but you got 'em.  these days that's what Christianity has become - a place where rapists and scumbags can hide, grow, and hurt people.  this is what's become of that religion in the US.  either you face that reality, accept that Christianity has some serious soul searching and house cleaning to do and then fix it...or the problem will continue to corrupt, distort and destroy Christianity from within.
2014-03-12 04:33:03 AM
5 votes:

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2014-03-12 05:29:51 AM
4 votes:

untaken_name: JohnnyC: So your plan is to pretend that Christians who do horrible things are actually atheists who infiltrate religious venues to hide and find victims? Then you have the audacity to insinuate that anyone who disagrees with your position is naive.

Not to derail your righteous rage, but I didn't read the post you're responding to in that light. More in the light that it is the sickness and twistedness inside the people that is making them act in a sick and twisted fashion. Not that it's some sort of fifth column organized effort to discredit a religion. But that some people are bad, and some of those bad people pretend to be things they aren't - Christians, educators, mentors, family friends, etc - and then use the trust gained by their position to take advantage of others. Hey, maybe I'm wrong and the OP really did mean that it was an organized infiltratory effort by atheists, but I'll just present the above as an alternative to that.


Perhaps if he hadn't said:

MagicMissile: Unfortunately there are a lot of non religious evil twisted farkers out there that see Christianity and other religious venues as a place to hide and find victims.


... I might be inclined to agree. But he did.

If a police officer does something horrible to someone else, do we suddenly say that he/she was never actually a police officer at all and was an anarchist hiding in the police force to look for victims? No... we say, "that police officer did something horrible". That person might get kicked off the police force for their actions, but he/she was still a member of the police.
2014-03-12 10:23:03 AM
3 votes:
After article/comments: Now teaching all my kids: If you're raped, go to the hospital. Alert the attending that you have been raped. Demand a rape kit, and a rape sensitive officer be brought to you to get your statement and any photos necessary. Call me after they go to get officer and let me know where you are. I'll get there asap. Do not sign anything unless I am there, or you have a lawyer there to help review.

DO NOT go to campus security, or school officers. Go Directly to Hospital. Collect Mom.

O_O

Not to Godwin the "They're not really Xtians!!" group or anything, but Hitler was a Christian, and used Christianity as a front for all of his evil malicious deeds. That's part of the reason all of the Christians in Germany were so willing to follow him.
2014-03-12 10:08:36 AM
3 votes:
I am Jack's utter lack of surprise.
2014-03-12 08:31:49 AM
3 votes:
I work in higher ed.   I was annoyed at the mandatory Title IX training I and everyone else on campus had to go through, as well as all the explicit rules about handling sexual abuse involving students that allow no leeway or grey areas in handling issues other than full bore "everything must be reported to everyone no matter what".

Then I see crap like this and I realize that a good fraction of the population is too stupid and/or evil to handle it any other way.
2014-03-12 08:19:07 AM
3 votes:
Uncool story - My sister went to Duke and knew 2 of the girls who were raped by important players on the basketball team during a winning season. After filing reports with campus security, both were asked to leave by administration officials due to "ongoing possibility of mental issues" and campus security refused to do anything with the reports even after repeated follow-ups by their families about the status of the investigations. After a month, the families tried going to the police, not realizing that the city police were not already notified, but the school refused to acknowledge that they had any knowledge of the allegations and the local police were hesitant to investigate a "school matter." In both cases, the victims families decided that pursuing the players, who were well known to the sports media at the time, would make the problem worse for their kids because of the publicity and simply moved the girls to another school.

These things happen at universities, no matter how closely they may or may not identify with a religious institution. There have been a lot of evidence that things are changing, but schools at those levels are driven by money, and sometimes they go out of their way to hide anything that may mess with their reputations.
2014-03-12 08:08:59 AM
3 votes:
I'm going to do a little clarification, just to throw my admittedly tiny $.02 against the intellectual heavyweights in this thread who are assuming this chick is lying because reasons.

Pensacola is an insular, fascinating old city-state on a beautiful stretch of coast. It's possible to live a very pleasant life here. It's also possible to run afoul of a streak of some of the worst social and psychological sickness I've ever encountered anywhere.

I was born here 35 years ago, and have livedin tons of places since. I've never seen anything quite like it. 99% of the people in this town are pleasant enough, if a bit placid. That 1% commits crimes that will give you nightmares to read about, let alone go through.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gunn_%28doctor%29

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/man-charged-in-fla-abortion-clinic-fire/ (2012)

http://www.inweekly.net/article.asp?artID=4718
"Panhandle top place in Florida for human trafficking "
"Saving young girls-- The biggest challenge he faces in Pensacola? 'Overcoming the opinion that they are criminals, not victims,' Dennis says."


Some reviews about PCC

http://www.studentsreview.com/FL/PCC_comments.html?page=1&type=&d_sc ho ol=Pensacola%20Christian%20College
"I dated someone that was a masked lier-pure evil.  He was manipulative and abusive but I had no one to go to or talk to becuase I would be thought guilty for something.  I was eventually raped by this person but I could not go to the deans or anyone becuase I would have been kicked out.  That is not Christian.  TO not help a fellow Christian in need is against Christ's teaching. "
"Attending Pensacola Christian College was bar none the most soul.damaging, faith robbing, and spiritually deterimental experience in my entire existence. I have been thus far mute on this issue and am taki.g.the opportunity to express myself.. All the information on control tactics, unfair gender practices, racial discrimation, outlandish, over the top gestapo agent behaviors is all true."
"As for being a Christian institution, I feel strongly that PCC is more cult-like than Christian. I say this because the administration was determined to control students and even faculty and staff instead of allowing God to work in your life and draw you closer to Him. Just like the Pharisees, it was easy to lose sight of God for all the blasted rules, and I know several former PCC students who lost faith in God as a result. I have not lost faith in God (I am a deeply committed Christian and active member of my church, which is Southern Baptist), but I must say that God used this year of my life to teach me what following God does not look like, as well as the dangers of legalism."


I have a soft spot in my heart for my hometown, but there's also no doubt in my mind the what this girl claims, actually happened. Pensacola has a streak of rapes, gay-bashing, religious threats, police brutality, even awful stories of mutilation and twisted child abuse that I won't link to here. My best friend was raped here, and I was assaulted.

It saddens me that such a beautiful and pleasurable part of the country, with such an amazing history and friendly folks, can have this dark of a mean streak running through it. I live here now, and sometimes you can almost feel the unhappy miasma in certain parts of town, and I don't mean the ghetto. I mean the goddamn schools and churches.

I talk with my friends all the time about this, and they sense it too. I'm glad to have one more year here, but I won't be back.
2014-03-12 04:28:23 AM
3 votes:

Weaver95: AirForceVet: Sounds like a great reason not to send your kids to THAT school.

Cue "You're gonna get raped" meme.

as bad as this is, were it only confined to the elite few christians all locked in the same campus and raping one another in between classes, that would be bad enough.  ok, horrific enough really.  But the crazy christian elite who run these schools train to bring their toxic culture out of their cozy little rape boxes and inflict those ideals on the rest of the country.  that's the end goal - a 'christian nation'.  in the interim, they'll settle for taking over local and state governments and putting their twisted ideology into practice.  these people scare me.  not just because they see women as disposable sex objects but because they honestly believe that they can do no wrong.  they see themselves as the chosen of their lord god almighty - by definition they CANNOT be in the wrong.  that sort of world view is very very dangerous.


It's not Christians doing these things ... It's sick and evil ..people..... If you can call them that..... Using Christianity as a smoke screen to commit their crimes . Unfortunately there are a lot of non religious evil twisted farkers out there that see Christianity and other religious venues as a place to hide and find victims. Laws need to be put in place to better detect and track these types of people, and like I mentioned it should become a felony with very strict penalties for abusing religious names and venues in this manner including incarceration and deportation as well as permanent exile.
2014-03-12 04:22:09 AM
3 votes:

nmrsnr: FTFA: "One night in May, however, she was grabbed, dragged into a construction area, beaten, restrained with bungee cord and duct tape, and then raped. As he was leaving her there, she recognized him as her boyfriend. A campus security guard discovered her, still restrained with the cord and tape, and took her to the campus clinic to file a report. In the next 24 hours, she went to the hospital, reported her attack to the police, and stayed the night with her parents. However, when she arrived back on campus with a black eye and a broken arm, her family was confronted by the dean of women and told that Beth was being expelled "because she is a fornicator."

PCC took no action against Beth's boyfriend. He graduated with honors and is now a pastor."

Okay, there has to be something missing from this story. I know that most women don't report rape, but here it says she filed a report. Even if she failed to go through with pressing charges, kidnapping and false imprisonment (and potentially attempted murder for leaving her there bound) are all crimes for which the victim doesn't have to press charges, the state can. So even if the school didn't take action, the guy should have been arrested and had a trial. The article makes no mention of this one way or the other. If he had a trial and was acquitted, then the college shouldn't have taken any action against him, because in the eyes of the law he is innocent. If he was never brought to trial despite the evidence, there is more screwed up here than a Christian college's honor code.


Maybe I'm getting jaded from having been on Fark too long but my spidey senses were a-tingling along the same lines. The whole article reads like something posted to outrage you but with nary a detail that can be used to verify any of this actually happened. If this in fact actually happened that family would (or should) have reported this to the local media and it would have become national news overnight.
2014-03-12 04:07:55 AM
3 votes:
What do you expect for sending your kids to a school based around made up crap?
2014-03-12 03:57:02 AM
3 votes:
Look, if you havn't figured out that "Pastor" is code for child abusing rape factory, then you don't actually ever read the news or well, participate in America.

These pastor factories are just churning out thousands of people just like this guy. They're just raping all over the place.
2014-03-12 03:40:59 PM
2 votes:

ciberido: doglover: kortex: What do you expect for sending your kids to a school based around made up crap?

Math is just made up crap.

No, it isn't.  Like distant galaxies, mathematics existed long before humans discovered it.


As a mathematically educated person, I would take a middle ground between those two positions. It isn't (entirely) made up crap, but neither is math some immutable property of the universe. First of all there is no singular "math", humans have invented many math systems, some of which look at things in different ways. For example in Galois field math, basic operations such as addition and subtraction are defined differently than you are used to - simply because it is useful to do so in some situations.

Maths are systems of formal logic. Which means they are models by which we represent and work on concepts. Godel proved that our math systems (formal logic systems) cannot be both complete and internally consistent. We get to choose one, (or neither).

It may also be telling about the general consensus on this subject, that most (all) mathematicians refer to Newton as having "developed" calculus, not "discovered" it. And likewise for for all other fields of math. Galois developed new fields of math, he didn't "discover" them as if they were a pre-existing entity. We (humans) define the rules as we find useful to model certain concepts.
2014-03-12 02:20:12 PM
2 votes:

nmrsnr: A campus security guard discovered her, still restrained with the cord and tape, and took her to the campus clinic to file a report.


1) If it was a campus security guard, the school might have had words with him about what not to say to the real police.

2) If she filed a report and the campus clinic, it probably never reached any real police outside the campus.

3) And finally, even if she did go to the real police...they don't always do so good a job prosecuting rape cases either, especially ones that happen on a campus.
2014-03-12 12:36:33 PM
2 votes:

rzrwiresunrise: Ant: rzrwiresunrise: Oh, and fark that term "rape culture."

Why?

Cuz there's no such thing. It's this amorphous term thrown around to make it seem like there's some grand conspiracy to rape women, and the only distinctive feature one has to have to be a member of this "culture" is a penis. It's an insinuated accusation. There's no secret handshake, no peculiar argot, no hidden sign or wink that allows rapists to identify each other and exchange traditions and form a "culture" around rape. "Patriarchy" is almost as bad, but that at least has some foundation to it. If one wants to talk about female powerlessness in a male-dominated society, one in which rape is swept under the rug, please, have a rational discussion. Throw around the "rape culture" epithet, and all that's accomplished is man-shaming.

And cue the projection/something-to-hide/MRA responses in 3... 2... 1...


Um?
You're overgeneralizing the meaning of the term. No- it is inherent in our culture that any female should be on the constant lookout for her well-being against being raped, or she is considered complicit in being attacked.
It's a more specific term for "blaming the victim" that is pervasive in our society; "rape culture" identifies that this blaming the victim for being a victim, is more apparent in the cases involving rape victims, and how they are unable to report it without being judged for their actions simultaneously.
2014-03-12 12:18:42 PM
2 votes:

nmrsnr: FTFA: "One night in May, however, she was grabbed, dragged into a construction area, beaten, restrained with bungee cord and duct tape, and then raped. As he was leaving her there, she recognized him as her boyfriend. A campus security guard discovered her, still restrained with the cord and tape, and took her to the campus clinic to file a report. In the next 24 hours, she went to the hospital, reported her attack to the police, and stayed the night with her parents. However, when she arrived back on campus with a black eye and a broken arm, her family was confronted by the dean of women and told that Beth was being expelled "because she is a fornicator."

PCC took no action against Beth's boyfriend. He graduated with honors and is now a pastor."

Okay, there has to be something missing from this story. I know that most women don't report rape, but here it says she filed a report. Even if she failed to go through with pressing charges, kidnapping and false imprisonment (and potentially attempted murder for leaving her there bound) are all crimes for which the victim doesn't have to press charges, the state can. So even if the school didn't take action, the guy should have been arrested and had a trial. The article makes no mention of this one way or the other. If he had a trial and was acquitted, then the college shouldn't have taken any action against him, because in the eyes of the law he is innocent. If he was never brought to trial despite the evidence, there is more screwed up here than a Christian college's honor code.


Considering the high-profile rape cases that have been in the news lately, police departments seems to have a very "meh" attitude to rape reports, even in very "obvious" cases such as this.  It's farking shocking and a damn shame.

Stubenville - a good chunk of the town and a CNN report focused on how the rapists football careers where ruined. How about the victims lives?

Maryville - despite video evidence, the case never gets to trial (one of the accused has a US senator relative) and one of the victims houses is burned down.

New Zealand Roast Busters - There was a teen rape gang that lured underaged girls (like 13 years old) and piled them with alcohol and drugs, raped them, and laughed about it on Facebook. They where reported to the police multiple times who claimed they couldn't do anything, despite the fact that having sex with someone under 16 is considered Statutory Rape under NZ law.

Detroit - Thousands of rape kits went un-tested due to "lack of funds" for years. A campaign finally secured funding and even though they only tested a few hundred they discovered 15 serial rapists, one of whom became a sexual serial killer and was arrested after killing 5 women. If they had tested the rape kits then they could have caught him before they started killing.

Moreover, I wouldn't be surprised if the family declined to prosecute to "avoid the stress of a trial" AKA "let's pretend this didn't happen and quietly go away".

People with this neo-con evangelical beliefs probably believe that it's always the her fault anyway for "tempting him" because men can't control themselves at all so women have to wear burkas to protect themselves.
2014-03-12 12:10:19 PM
2 votes:

supageil: nmrsnr: FTFA: "One night in May, however, she was grabbed, dragged into a construction area, beaten, restrained with bungee cord and duct tape, and then raped. As he was leaving her there, she recognized him as her boyfriend. A campus security guard discovered her, still restrained with the cord and tape, and took her to the campus clinic to file a report. In the next 24 hours, she went to the hospital, reported her attack to the police, and stayed the night with her parents. However, when she arrived back on campus with a black eye and a broken arm, her family was confronted by the dean of women and told that Beth was being expelled "because she is a fornicator."

PCC took no action against Beth's boyfriend. He graduated with honors and is now a pastor."

Okay, there has to be something missing from this story. I know that most women don't report rape, but here it says she filed a report. Even if she failed to go through with pressing charges, kidnapping and false imprisonment (and potentially attempted murder for leaving her there bound) are all crimes for which the victim doesn't have to press charges, the state can. So even if the school didn't take action, the guy should have been arrested and had a trial. The article makes no mention of this one way or the other. If he had a trial and was acquitted, then the college shouldn't have taken any action against him, because in the eyes of the law he is innocent. If he was never brought to trial despite the evidence, there is more screwed up here than a Christian college's honor code.

You know how I know you've never been to Pensacola?


I went to BJU for a year so I have some knowledge about the environments these fudie institutions breed.  If Pensacola is anything like Greenville, SC, many of the local cops went to the school in question.  So the rape kits were conveniently "misplaced".   The cops in Greenville used to call in students breaking student rules to the Dean all the time (rules mind you, not laws).  The students would then get in trouble.

I wish I could say that this story sounds "fishy" or that the schools weren't this corrupt, but it simply isn't the case.

/The More You Know.
2014-03-12 11:35:35 AM
2 votes:

rzrwiresunrise: Weaver95: rzrwiresunrise: I'm skeptical. I'm not saying this doesn't happen at colleges, I'm just saying these examples seem a little far-fetched.

no, its been something of a theme lately.  stories of rapes and rape culture have been hinted at for years about these places.  its only just recently that details have started to leak out.  I can only assume that someone forgot to pay their yearly bribe money to keep things quiet and that's why we're getting the nasty details.

Yeah, and the cousin of a friend that lived next door to my accountant told me the house down the street is haunted. Like I said, I'm not saying these things don't happen, but TFA gives little in the way of corroboration. The Vice.com article was much more convincing (thanks, FuryPilot).

Oh, and fark that term "rape culture."


So, sorry miss, you weren't raped because the reporter who wrote the article I read sucked at his job? Seems like a damn good argument to me.
2014-03-12 10:57:49 AM
2 votes:

Bullseyed: if the story here is true, it is probably liberals pretending to be Christians to advance their cause.


If anyone needs more proof that conservatives are out of their farking trees, look up an inch or so.
2014-03-12 10:20:39 AM
2 votes:

sallys: a) they should not be accredited schools
b) I hope it happens to that guys daughter


You do realize, don't you, this with this comment you have lowered yourself to the level of the school administrators who expelled the rape victims.  You consider the hypothetical daughter in question worthless and disposable, useful only as a vessel for punishing the father.

You are a horrible person.
2014-03-12 09:58:29 AM
2 votes:

MagicMissile: Weaver95: AirForceVet: Sounds like a great reason not to send your kids to THAT school.

Cue "You're gonna get raped" meme.

as bad as this is, were it only confined to the elite few christians all locked in the same campus and raping one another in between classes, that would be bad enough.  ok, horrific enough really.  But the crazy christian elite who run these schools train to bring their toxic culture out of their cozy little rape boxes and inflict those ideals on the rest of the country.  that's the end goal - a 'christian nation'.  in the interim, they'll settle for taking over local and state governments and putting their twisted ideology into practice.  these people scare me.  not just because they see women as disposable sex objects but because they honestly believe that they can do no wrong.  they see themselves as the chosen of their lord god almighty - by definition they CANNOT be in the wrong.  that sort of world view is very very dangerous.

It's not Christians doing these things ... It's sick and evil ..people..... If you can call them that..... Using Christianity as a smoke screen to commit their crimes . Unfortunately there are a lot of non religious evil twisted farkers out there that see Christianity and other religious venues as a place to hide and find victims. Laws need to be put in place to better detect and track these types of people, and like I mentioned it should become a felony with very strict penalties for abusing religious names and venues in this manner including incarceration and deportation as well as permanent exile.


Read the Bible, doofus.  The whole thing, not just the nice parts.  Fact is, based on his actions, your god is an asshole, and so are his followers, since they use his dickish behavior to justify their own.
2014-03-12 06:46:03 AM
2 votes:

MagicMissile: Weaver95: AirForceVet: Sounds like a great reason not to send your kids to THAT school.

Cue "You're gonna get raped" meme.

as bad as this is, were it only confined to the elite few christians all locked in the same campus and raping one another in between classes, that would be bad enough.  ok, horrific enough really.  But the crazy christian elite who run these schools train to bring their toxic culture out of their cozy little rape boxes and inflict those ideals on the rest of the country.  that's the end goal - a 'christian nation'.  in the interim, they'll settle for taking over local and state governments and putting their twisted ideology into practice.  these people scare me.  not just because they see women as disposable sex objects but because they honestly believe that they can do no wrong.  they see themselves as the chosen of their lord god almighty - by definition they CANNOT be in the wrong.  that sort of world view is very very dangerous.

It's not Christians doing these things ... It's sick and evil ..people..... If you can call them that..... Using Christianity as a smoke screen to commit their crimes . Unfortunately there are a lot of non religious evil twisted farkers out there that see Christianity and other religious venues as a place to hide and find victims. Laws need to be put in place to better detect and track these types of people, and like I mentioned it should become a felony with very strict penalties for abusing religious names and venues in this manner including incarceration and deportation as well as permanent exile.


You are obviously not a true Scotsman.
2014-03-12 05:02:09 AM
2 votes:

ThrobblefootSpectre: nmrsnr: Okay, there has to be something missing from this story. I know that most women don't report rape, but here it says she filed a report. Even if she failed to go through with pressing charges, kidnapping and false imprisonment (and potentially attempted murder for leaving her there bound) are all crimes for which the victim doesn't have to press charges, the state can. So even if the school didn't take action, the guy should have been arrested and had a trial. The article makes no mention of this one way or the other. If he had a trial and was acquitted, then the college shouldn't have taken any action against him, because in the eyes of the law he is innocent. If he was never brought to trial despite the evidence, there is more screwed up here than a Christian college's honor code.

Yeah, I was wondering about this myself.  Since there were witnesses to her kidnapped state (the guy who found her) and injuries, such as the doctors who treated her (who have to report all suspicions of a crime), how did the pastor guy not go to prison for 15 years?  If the accused perpetrator was tried and found innocent then I have no problem with the school not taking action against him.

So apparently she either identified the wrong guy, or no incident actually occurred?  Unless we conclude that local hospitals, law enforcement, courts, and construction workers are all in on the conspiracy. Lacking further details, Occam's razor may have some advice on which conclusion to favor.


I can totally believe either a) the local cops are so shiatty they didn't take rape kit samples or b) the local cops are so shiatty any sample they did take was conveniently misplaced.

Don't forget, Pensacola is in the very derpicenter of Florida.
2014-03-12 04:48:28 AM
2 votes:

MagicMissile: deportation as well as permanent exile.


What makes you think you can foist your misfits on another country?
2014-03-12 04:45:06 AM
2 votes:

nmrsnr: Okay, there has to be something missing from this story. I know that most women don't report rape, but here it says she filed a report. Even if she failed to go through with pressing charges, kidnapping and false imprisonment (and potentially attempted murder for leaving her there bound) are all crimes for which the victim doesn't have to press charges, the state can. So even if the school didn't take action, the guy should have been arrested and had a trial. The article makes no mention of this one way or the other. If he had a trial and was acquitted, then the college shouldn't have taken any action against him, because in the eyes of the law he is innocent. If he was never brought to trial despite the evidence, there is more screwed up here than a Christian college's honor code.


Yeah, I was wondering about this myself.  Since there were witnesses to her kidnapped state (the guy who found her) and injuries, such as the doctors who treated her (who have to report all suspicions of a crime), how did the pastor guy not go to prison for 15 years?  If the accused perpetrator was tried and found innocent then I have no problem with the school not taking action against him.

So apparently she either identified the wrong guy, or no incident actually occurred?  Unless we conclude that local hospitals, law enforcement, courts, and construction workers are all in on the conspiracy. Lacking further details, Occam's razor may have some advice on which conclusion to favor.
2014-03-12 04:35:25 AM
2 votes:

MagicMissile: Ok ... If all this is true then just know that this isn't a Christian anything .... Christianity teaches that everything described in this story from the brutal assaults, rapes, expelling the victims , calling them " dirty vessels " and so on are all very evil things to do . Christianity teaches love, compassion, forgiveness, and that we are all imperfect but that God has love for all of us. We need only admit that we are sinners and reject our sins as much as we can , and accept Jesus Christ as our savior.

What is described in this story, if it's true... It is an evil organization that is falsely calling itself Christian and getting away with it. There should be an investigation , arrests made and people jailed over this . That college should be shut down as well . It should be a felony to falsely claim you represent a religion for personal gain and or to hijack a religion by using its name and then committing your crimes.


There was a time I'd agree with you. A time when I, too, would say "Ah, this must be one of those FAKE Christian groups, not REAL Christians like mine." But then I found out my group of Christians were protecting child molestors.
The truth is, like it or not, this is real Christianity. The truth is, you're not a real Christian. In fact, you're a decent, compassionate human being. And that's a good thing.
2014-03-12 04:30:48 AM
2 votes:
Try not to be so naive guys
2014-03-12 03:51:00 AM
2 votes:

nmrsnr: FTFA: "One night in May, however, she was grabbed, dragged into a construction area, beaten, restrained with bungee cord and duct tape, and then raped. As he was leaving her there, she recognized him as her boyfriend. A campus security guard discovered her, still restrained with the cord and tape, and took her to the campus clinic to file a report. In the next 24 hours, she went to the hospital, reported her attack to the police, and stayed the night with her parents. However, when she arrived back on campus with a black eye and a broken arm, her family was confronted by the dean of women and told that Beth was being expelled "because she is a fornicator."

PCC took no action against Beth's boyfriend. He graduated with honors and is now a pastor."

Okay, there has to be something missing from this story. I know that most women don't report rape, but here it says she filed a report. Even if she failed to go through with pressing charges, kidnapping and false imprisonment (and potentially attempted murder for leaving her there bound) are all crimes for which the victim doesn't have to press charges, the state can. So even if the school didn't take action, the guy should have been arrested and had a trial. The article makes no mention of this one way or the other. If he had a trial and was acquitted, then the college shouldn't have taken any action against him, because in the eyes of the law he is innocent. If he was never brought to trial despite the evidence, there is more screwed up here than a Christian college's honor code.


I think there's certainly more to the story...but it doesn't matter in the context of what the article asserts. She was rescued by campus police (so really no question here about the rape, even if there may be a question *who* did it), taken to a hospital, etc and upon returning to school the next day was expelled for being a fornicator.

Immediately after being brutally raped, bones broken, she was expelled for being a fornicator.
2014-03-12 03:49:11 AM
2 votes:
It's really creepy that the rapist is now a pastor. Just lovely.
2014-03-12 03:48:44 AM
2 votes:
cretinbob:

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)      If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

And then of course according to Deuteronomy 22:13-21 she must be stoned to death on her wedding day for not being a virgin.
2014-03-12 03:46:27 AM
2 votes:
I don't know what is worse: the details of the article, or the fact that I am not surprised. Every day I log onto Fark, and every day I read at least a dozen stories about religious organizations, be they churches, universities, charities, or political action groups, that disgust me so much that I almost feel physically ill.
2014-03-12 03:42:29 AM
2 votes:
(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

    If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.


Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
2014-03-12 01:24:59 AM
2 votes:
They just earned their accreditation in 2013. I think we can forcibly take that from them.

You know what? On second thought...

www.zerosun.com
2014-03-12 12:06:03 AM
2 votes:
You're supposed to marry the man who rapes you.

It's right there in the Bible.
2014-03-12 10:56:32 PM
1 votes:
Fark rapists.
Fark the people who cover it up.
Fark those who shiat all over the victims.

And fark this thread.
2014-03-12 07:17:57 PM
1 votes:

grumpfuff: tlars699: From the wiki:
Hitler viewed the church as an important politically conservative influence on society, and he adopted a strategic relationship with it "that suited his immediate political purposes". In public, Hitler often praised Christian heritage and German Christian culture, though professing a belief in an "Aryan" Jesus-one who fought against the Jews.Any pro-Christian public rhetoric was at variance with his personal beliefs, which described Christianity as "absurdity" and nonsense founded on lies.

Okay- my previous assessment was based on his speeches and how he would constantly say that they had to fight the Jews' oppression of the Aryan race for Jesus.
He did also make public appearances at churches from time to time to continue this charade.
But this is very interesting. :\

See? :)

Hitler's personal religious belief is a matter that is debated by historians, and probably always will be.


Like all rules, he believed that religion was useful.  That much is indisputable.
2014-03-12 07:01:16 PM
1 votes:

tlars699: From the wiki:
Hitler viewed the church as an important politically conservative influence on society, and he adopted a strategic relationship with it "that suited his immediate political purposes". In public, Hitler often praised Christian heritage and German Christian culture, though professing a belief in an "Aryan" Jesus-one who fought against the Jews.Any pro-Christian public rhetoric was at variance with his personal beliefs, which described Christianity as "absurdity" and nonsense founded on lies.

Okay- my previous assessment was based on his speeches and how he would constantly say that they had to fight the Jews' oppression of the Aryan race for Jesus.
He did also make public appearances at churches from time to time to continue this charade.
But this is very interesting. :\


See? :)

Hitler's personal religious belief is a matter that is debated by historians, and probably always will be.
2014-03-12 05:23:37 PM
1 votes:

cervier: She got expelled from a college BECAUSE she was raped


No, she was expelled because she was a "fornicator". She had sex with somebody who wasn't her husband which she agreed not to do which is a violation of the code she agreed to. Fornication technically (and, more importantly, as it's typically applied by religious lunatics) includes getting raped.

You're viewing this through the wrong lens. All the people involved are fundamentalist Christians who agreed to a fundamentalist code of ethics. What you and I think of that code is immaterial. She agreed, as a fundie, to be obligated to a fundie code that would be enforced by fundies. Same with the guy.

They violated an agreement they made. It doesn't matter that the agreement was obviously ridiculous, they still agreed to it. Don't sign stupid things. It's certainly unfortunate that this is how they had to learn that valuable life lesson, but it's still true.
2014-03-12 04:43:07 PM
1 votes:

grumpfuff: I fail to see how you can hold all of Christians to the same standard with the Bible


Because that's literally the only source of anything even remotely relevant to the idea that Jesus was a person who said things.  This is important.  "I believe in the divinity of this person I literally know nothing about other than that"?

You can't actually take the bible out of Christianity, because that's nonsense.  I mean... what?  What point are you trying to make?
2014-03-12 04:37:12 PM
1 votes:

stonicus: grumpfuff: Being as I'm not a Christian, why should I care what Christianity has ...

It appears I was... *clears throat*  wrong on the internet...  *DOH*

Carry on then... =)


It's alright.  I once got called a theocrat for saying Dawkins is a whiny, arrogant, piece of shiat who fails to grasp Philosophy 101, so this was hardly a big deal.
2014-03-12 04:19:22 PM
1 votes:

firefly212: ciberido: doglover: kortex: What do you expect for sending your kids to a school based around made up crap?

Math is just made up crap.

No, it isn't.  Like distant galaxies, mathematics existed long before humans discovered it.

Idiots really believe everything is subjective, even math itself. A friend of mine at Fairfield was taking a class called "Philosophy of Mathematics"... when she described the class, I damn near raged hard enough to have an aneurysm pop.


See my previous -p-o-s-t. Things like that should not drive you into a rage. And not everything is black and white definable in absolute terms. Not formal logic, and not even reality itself, as we are discovering more and more. Get over the idea that you know everything, or even that everything is knowable. It's looking more and more like not everything is knowable (at least not all at once in one time and space, for example, by a human). Both our limited systems of formal logic and physics agree on that. (Relax a bit, and go apologize to your friend.)

You should also get over the idea that anyone who expresses an idea you don't like is an idiot.
2014-03-12 04:15:31 PM
1 votes:

grumpfuff: believe in the divinity of Jesus



grumpfuff: Bible when not all of them hold it for the literal truth,


It's too late not to turn this into a religious debate, but tell me what I'm missing here:

"We believe a man called Jesus is literally god, because the bible says so, but the bible isn't literally true."  Isn't that an intuitively nutso position?  I mean once you dismiss the bible as absolute truth, there's nothing substantiating Jesus as God at all.  I mean, "I personally believe one of the most unsubstantiated claims of the bible, while thinking other parts of it silly".


I get that there are people who put no thought into it, but I'm trying to not presume that's what's going on with these people.  Why would this seem like a logical improvement on the position?
2014-03-12 03:58:26 PM
1 votes:

ikanreed: Rozotorical: No, Christians defend Christian corruption extremely diligently.

Also Islam is basically a slightly nicer version of Christianity.

Eh... in words, maybe?  The Koran is pretty flowery in a new testamenty kinda way.  In pragmatic reality, the same fundamental hang-ups(you know, non-questioning of answers, strict gender roles, people doing horrible things thinking themselves moral and good) cause even worse problems in the real world.


Oh mai, I didn't mean to say it was a moral way to live your life.  Just a slightly nicer creed then Christianity.
2014-03-12 03:36:37 PM
1 votes:

stuffy: Who would have guessed a tight assed sudo religious school would be more interested in protecting its image than its students.


There's nothing "pseudo" about the religious part.  Quite a lot of Bible- and Qur'an-thumpers actually believe that Dirty Jezebels deserve to be raped.

"Tight-assed religious pseudo-school" works just fine.
2014-03-12 01:39:43 PM
1 votes:

scotchlandia: I am a Christian. I don't tolerate Christians who commit crimes against women, or use drugs, or cheat on their taxes.... fill in the blank.

What I don't see is a bunch of Christians coming into this thread and defending the rapist or the school. I think if you took a poll most Christians would say "let the rapist rot in prison." That's how I feel, if that were my daughter I would be on the warpath, and I am outraged at this behavior even though this woman is not my daughter.

Weirdly every time a muslim commits an atrocity I do see CAIR release statements defending the perpetrator. Whenever a black athelete commits a crime Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton defend the perpetrator. Whenever a quaterback commits a crime, members of the NFL go on Sports Center and defend the perpetrator. Why? It is human nature to want our institutions to not be corrupt, to want to believe the best in the organizations that we spend our time and capitol on.

I am a member of the military, that freely admits it has a "rape culture" and has spent close to $$1Billion dollars on education programs meant to combat it. I refuse to defend our leadership that has failed in this regard. The military has a rape culture because it has failed to hold rapists accountable.

If Pensacola Chistian fails to hold its students and faculty accountable, they are the worst kind of Christians. Jesus said it would be better if a "mill-stone were hung around their necks and they were thrown into the ocean," then they face the wrath of the last days. All of this is an "if" because we can't substantiate it one way or the other. The blog references nothing and points us back to nothing to base an assertion on. That doesn't mean that this doesn't happen every day in Churches across America. Also happens in schools, in the military and in the corporate culture.

The real question is when are organizations (of any type) going to stop tolerating this?

-J


Translation: "I'm a bigot, and I personally ignore all the plentiful evidence of people defending this, chastising Muslims, and I really can't even imagine that my religion played an active roll in this happening, even though plentiful elements of my religion actively endorse rapists over the raped"

You are one of the people defending this.
2014-03-12 01:27:10 PM
1 votes:

Latinwolf: I see that Fark's Conservative dumbass racial apologist has entered the thread.


There's only one?
Ant
2014-03-12 01:13:29 PM
1 votes:

MagicMissile: If a group of pedophiles started a school for boys age 3-12 and named it "Athiest school for Boys" and then received funding from atheists, political and police protections , and then started child molesting and so on... does that mean that every Atheist is a child molester and a pedophile?

Or does it meant that a group of sick people started that thing up for money and victims? I am sorry but people are sick and evil and these twisted farkers will do anything to get their rocks off.


Some of you are going to go out and bash Christianity for half of your day and then spend the other half preaching about human rights and freedoms, gay rights, and claim you are against prejudice and stereotyping and so on.


All I am saying is that the Christian religion teaches that everything this school did is evil and wrong.... if you are an axe murderer that attends church every day.... I am sorry but you are not a Christian Axe Murderer... you are still just an axe murder that goes to Church every day.


Nobody is saying "All Christians are XYZ". We're saying that, like it or not, these are Christians. If a group of atheist pedos started a school for young boys, we'd still acknowledge that they were atheists. They'd just be atheists who happen to also be pedophile jerks.

/atheist
//knows that assholes can be atheists too
///I'm looking at you, Ayn Rand
Ant
2014-03-12 12:57:29 PM
1 votes:

rzrwiresunrise: Cuz there's no such thing.


There is though. Call it something else if you like. It's kind of an offshoot of just world theory: If something bad happened to you, you probably deserved it in some way. Why is it so common to ask questions like "what was she wearing?" or "was she drinking?" or "why was she alone with that guy?"
2014-03-12 12:43:34 PM
1 votes:
THIS WHOLE THREAD:
img.fark.net
2014-03-12 12:12:27 PM
1 votes:

doosh: nmrsnr: FTFA: "One night in May, however, she was grabbed, dragged into a construction area, beaten, restrained with bungee cord and duct tape, and then raped. As he was leaving her there, she recognized him as her boyfriend. A campus security guard discovered her, still restrained with the cord and tape, and took her to the campus clinic to file a report. In the next 24 hours, she went to the hospital, reported her attack to the police, and stayed the night with her parents. However, when she arrived back on campus with a black eye and a broken arm, her family was confronted by the dean of women and told that Beth was being expelled "because she is a fornicator."

PCC took no action against Beth's boyfriend. He graduated with honors and is now a pastor."

Okay, there has to be something missing from this story. I know that most women don't report rape, but here it says she filed a report. Even if she failed to go through with pressing charges, kidnapping and false imprisonment (and potentially attempted murder for leaving her there bound) are all crimes for which the victim doesn't have to press charges, the state can. So even if the school didn't take action, the guy should have been arrested and had a trial. The article makes no mention of this one way or the other. If he had a trial and was acquitted, then the college shouldn't have taken any action against him, because in the eyes of the law he is innocent. If he was never brought to trial despite the evidence, there is more screwed up here than a Christian college's honor code.

Maybe I'm getting jaded from having been on Fark too long but my spidey senses were a-tingling along the same lines. The whole article reads like something posted to outrage you but with nary a detail that can be used to verify any of this actually happened. If this in fact actually happened that family would (or should) have reported this to the local media and it would have become national news overnight.


Yeah, they should have reported it, but just because they didn't doesn't mean it didn't happen. Religious people bury the truth and cover up for their abusers all the time.

CSB: Back when I was a freshman in college I was dating a Pentecostal girl who was a senior in high school. Her and her friends were all in this youth group at their church. One of the girls in the group was overweight and depressed so the very creepy youth pastor began meeting with her one on one to "counsel" her, an after a couple of sessions of him making improper suggestions, he just flat out raped her. After a few weeks she finally told her family and friends what happened and they confronted the youth pastor with the church elders. He admitted to forcing himself on her, but blamed her (and Satan) for tempting him. The church elders agreed with him. To keep attending the curch (and to prevent being ostracized by their friends in the church), she and her family had to go in front of the congregation the next Sunday and apologize to her rapist and his wife for tempting him and for the hardship she'd brought upon his family and the church. She attempted suicide a few months later and then developed a bad drug problem. An the cherry on top is about a year later they fired the guy after he was caught taking money from the youth group "missionary" fund. They couldn't tolerate such a violation of the church. So to recap: Raping a minor you are in a position of authority over, a-ok, but stealing a few hundred dollars from the ski trip to Aspen "missionary" fund, completely unacceptable.
2014-03-12 11:52:39 AM
1 votes:
Here's the worst part:

The school feels they are addressing the problem in the best way possible, either from a religious standpoint, or a pragmatic PR standpoint.

I am getting more and more disgusted at just how often people are treat as means or obstacles to an end.

Shamelessly lifted from Pratchett...


"...There is a very interesting debate raging at the moment on the nature of sin, for example."
"And what do they think? Against it, are they?"
"It is not as simple as that. It's not a black and white issue. There are so many shades of gray."
"Nope."
"Pardon?"
There's no grays, only white that's got grubby. I'm surprised you don't know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
"It's a lot more complicated than that--"
"No it ain't. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they're getting worried that they won't like the truth. People as things, that's where it starts."
"Oh, I'm sure there are worse crimes-"
"But they Starts with thinking about people as things..."

Or for the more high-brow among you:

"Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, never merely as a means to an end, but always at the same time as an end." - Kant
2014-03-12 11:16:14 AM
1 votes:

stonicus: tlars699: Not to Godwin the "They're not really Xtians!!" group or anything, but Hitler was a Christian, and used Christianity as a front for all of his evil malicious deeds. That's part of the reason all of the Christians in Germany were so willing to follow him.

If you're a murderer, you're not a christian.  Hitler may have said he was, but he wasn't.
I can say I am a super hero if I want to, it doesn't make it true.


Yeah, uh, no. Murderers, rapists, and thieves can be Christian. Stop making excuses. If you identify as Christian, go to church, praise Jeebus and then rape hitchhikers, you are a christian rapist. Also, eat a dick.
2014-03-12 11:14:36 AM
1 votes:

tlars699: MinkeyMan: Bullseyed: pkellmey: Uncool story - My sister went to Duke and knew 2 of the girls who were raped by important players on the basketball team during a winning season.

Which means they went to a party, got black out drunk and decided to have sex with the guys and changed their mind a day or two later when the guys told everyone in the school.

Just out of interest, if a women close to you (girlfriend, wife, sister, daughter) came to you and said she'd been raped, is there anything she could say that would convince you it was true... or would you just assume she was a slut?

Dude, I have a feeling that even if they had been wearing a burka that he'd bring up something about needing an escort.


His first question would be, "Why were you out of the house?"
Ant
2014-03-12 11:09:38 AM
1 votes:

untaken_name: Well, they certainly aren't following the tenets of that religion, which is typically how we define "religious", so I can see the other side, too.


Which tenets? Some Christians think that all that is required is to accept Jesus' sacrifice. Some think that good works are required. Some think that God has already chosen who will be saved, so there is no way to get yourself into Heaven through acts.

Like it or not, these are Christians. They might not be your brand of Christians, but they are Christians nonetheless.
2014-03-12 11:06:37 AM
1 votes:

Bullseyed: pkellmey: Uncool story - My sister went to Duke and knew 2 of the girls who were raped by important players on the basketball team during a winning season.

Which means they went to a party, got black out drunk and decided to have sex with the guys and changed their mind a day or two later when the guys told everyone in the school.


Just out of interest, if a women close to you (girlfriend, wife, sister, daughter) came to you and said she'd been raped, is there anything she could say that would convince you it was true... or would you just assume she was a slut?
2014-03-12 10:59:34 AM
1 votes:

Bullseyed: pkellmey: Uncool story - My sister went to Duke and knew 2 of the girls who were raped by important players on the basketball team during a winning season.

Which means they went to a party, got black out drunk and decided to have sex with the guys and changed their mind a day or two later when the guys told everyone in the school.


You might want to consider using your super-powered cognition for good instead of just playing on the internet all day.
2014-03-12 10:52:44 AM
1 votes:
I see that Fark's Conservative dumbass racial apologist has entered the thread.
2014-03-12 10:42:00 AM
1 votes:

stonicus: tlars699: Not to Godwin the "They're not really Xtians!!" group or anything, but Hitler was a Christian, and used Christianity as a front for all of his evil malicious deeds. That's part of the reason all of the Christians in Germany were so willing to follow him.

If you're a murderer, you're not a christian.  Hitler may have said he was, but he wasn't.
I can say I am a super hero if I want to, it doesn't make it true.


I'm going with the duck theory:

If he walks like a Christian into his weekly christian service, talks like a christian espousing Jesus, including how Jesus used violence against the temple's oppressors (hint: They were Jews!),
and acts like a Christian in public in doing these things, and gathering the poor Aryan youths and giving them purpose and drive, encouraging the other Christians to get higher education to become doctors and lawyers, because "teaching to fish", etc.

...Then he was a Christian. You can be a BAD Christian, and still believe in Christ.

 King Herod was technically a Christian, for crying out loud- He actually believed that Jesus was the King of the Jews, and hence ordered all male babies to be found, registered, and eventually slain.
2014-03-12 10:38:08 AM
1 votes:

Bullseyed: What proof is there she was raped?


Somehow you missed the part where she was EXPELLED FOR BRINGING UP RAPE CHARGES.

Let me say that one more time in case you missed it.

She was expelled for bringing up rape charges.
2014-03-12 10:21:06 AM
1 votes:

AirForceVet: Sounds like a great reason not to send your kids to THAT school.

Cue "You're gonna get raped" meme.


It's only going to get worse in the short term. Now predators know they can literally get away with rape. All they have to do is praise Jesus nice and loud when they aren't raping anyone. Before these schools were just places where predators happened to get away with it. Now, unless the schools crack down and start changing, they're going to attract predators who are enticed by a school that will throw the VICTIMS out.
2014-03-12 10:06:52 AM
1 votes:
*sigh* You people act like this is just a Christian college or university thing. Rapes on most colleges or universities usually end with the victim being removed from campus. Most are "encouraged" to do so "voluntarily", but some are just out right harassed into it. I'm surprised that this college just comes out and boots the victim, but don' act like this is exclusive to Christian colleges.
2014-03-12 09:50:55 AM
1 votes:

Epic Fap Session: Not to go all ITG, but if my daughter shows up all beat to hell, claiming rape, and I can't get help from the school or law enforcement, I believe I'd go on a farking rampage.


Yeah, this.  I can't imagine a single instance of seeing someone I love beaten to the point of broken bones and raped that doesn't end with my fists, feet and any other weapons that I could get my hands on being used.  I'm not saying I'd be very good at this, only that I find it hard to imagine restraining myself.
2014-03-12 09:37:31 AM
1 votes:
At this point I view religious people - at least those that are religious to the extent that they would seek out a private religious school with strict "moral" codes like the ones referenced in TFA - like smokers. There was a time you could claim ignorance, but, at this point, the risks of hanging out with nutty religious crackpots and subjecting yourself to their rules and contracts should be pretty obvious. If you choose to accept those risks then the consequences are entirely on your own head. No suing the tobacco companies when you get lung cancer any more, no complaining about religious colleges when you get kicked out for being a rape victim.

If they weren't treated fairly by law enforcement or the courts in relation to the criminal end of it, that's another matter not brought up in the article, but, as for their expulsions?

Too f'ing bad. Maybe try hanging out with people who have a slightly more intelligent view of human sexuality than this guy:

lgsquirrel.files.wordpress.com
2014-03-12 09:09:54 AM
1 votes:
The 'date rape' phenomena is not something new. Only recently have cracks finally appeared in the  cover ups that has been in place for by colleges.  The routine suppression intimidation of victims from making accusatiosn and causing bad publicity has been the standard behavior of almost every college that has ever existed.
2014-03-12 08:45:11 AM
1 votes:

sallys: a) they should not be accredited schools
b) I hope it happens to that guys daughter



I deduct that you are wishing rape on a (hypothetical) girl that has nothing to do with the action of her father?!?!  Newsflash you are a sick person...
2014-03-12 07:32:34 AM
1 votes:

Lord Farkwad: fusillade762: Can we send these people to a country where they'll fit in better? Like Saudi Arabia?


a culture that teaches women who have sex are like used toothbrushes and half-eaten candybars

You can send all those used toothbrushes and half-eaten candybars my way. I'll take them.


"Look at that. A half eaten chocolate bar. It's hardly been touched. Do you want some?"
[s10.postimg.org image 640x480]

/Obscure?


Bunky? How many times I gotta tell ya? The litter box, the litter box!
2014-03-12 07:22:50 AM
1 votes:

fusillade762: Can we send these people to a country where they'll fit in better? Like Saudi Arabia?


a culture that teaches women who have sex are like used toothbrushes and half-eaten candybars

You can send all those used toothbrushes and half-eaten candybars my way. I'll take them.



"Look at that. A half eaten chocolate bar. It's hardly been touched. Do you want some?"
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2014-03-12 06:15:17 AM
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rzrwiresunrise: I'm skeptical. I'm not saying this doesn't happen at colleges, I'm just saying these examples seem a little far-fetched.


no, its been something of a theme lately.  stories of rapes and rape culture have been hinted at for years about these places.  its only just recently that details have started to leak out.  I can only assume that someone forgot to pay their yearly bribe money to keep things quiet and that's why we're getting the nasty details.
2014-03-12 05:37:02 AM
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ThrobblefootSpectre: wurdjunky: This article is a half-assed ripoff of a much more in depth story on Patrick Henry College from a few weeks ago.

Well, to be fair, this wasn't an article, it was a guest blog on "Slacktivist."

A google for Pensacola Christian College shows no news articles about rape, or any sort of crime or problems at all, in the first 4 pages of hits.


Found at least one on the first page :  http://www.vice.com/read/sexual-abuse-has-become-a-huge-problem-for-a m ericas-bible-colleges
2014-03-12 05:35:34 AM
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I think the problem here is they turned to a bunch of crazy people instead of the police when reporting these rather serious crimes.  Actually the bigger problem is they decided to attend a school based on crazy.
2014-03-12 05:06:35 AM
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The hopeless imp: MagicMissile: Ok ... If all this is true then just know that this isn't a Christian anything .... Christianity teaches that everything described in this story from the brutal assaults, rapes, expelling the victims , calling them " dirty vessels " and so on are all very evil things to do . Christianity teaches love, compassion, forgiveness, and that we are all imperfect but that God has love for all of us. We need only admit that we are sinners and reject our sins as much as we can , and accept Jesus Christ as our savior.

What is described in this story, if it's true... It is an evil organization that is falsely calling itself Christian and getting away with it. There should be an investigation , arrests made and people jailed over this . That college should be shut down as well . It should be a felony to falsely claim you represent a religion for personal gain and or to hijack a religion by using its name and then committing your crimes.

There was a time I'd agree with you. A time when I, too, would say "Ah, this must be one of those FAKE Christian groups, not REAL Christians like mine." But then I found out my group of Christians were protecting child molestors.
The truth is, like it or not, this is real Christianity. The truth is, you're not a real Christian. In fact, you're a decent, compassionate human being. And that's a good thing.


You have a waaay different definition if 'decent' and 'compassionate' than I do.
2014-03-12 04:47:41 AM
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This article is a half-assed ripoff of a much more in depth story on Patrick Henry College from a few weeks ago.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/11 6623/sexual-assault-patrick-henr y -college-gods-harvard

/ no hotlinky from phone
2014-03-12 04:35:44 AM
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FTA:  "One night in May, however, she was grabbed, dragged into a construction area, beaten, restrained with bungee cord and duct tape, and then raped. As he was leaving her there, she recognized him as her boyfriend "

Yeah, sounds legit.
2014-03-12 04:06:13 AM
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I doubt any of these schools will ever produce a Nobel laureate.
2014-03-12 03:58:23 AM
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liltingbanshee: It's really creepy that the rapist is now a pastor. Just lovely.


Closet gay trying to prove something about his own sexuality to himself. Creepy, but par for the fundy course.
2014-03-12 03:55:34 AM
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This article was very insightful, brought out a great deal of information that was fair and impartial to both sides of the story and is likely right on the mark with its opinions.

or maybe not...
2014-03-12 12:14:21 AM
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Sounds like a great reason not to send your kids to THAT school.

Cue "You're gonna get raped" meme.
 
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