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2014-03-12 09:25:02 AM  

incrdbil: The 'date rape' phenomena is not something new. Only recently have cracks finally appeared in the  cover ups that has been in place for by colleges.  The routine suppression intimidation of victims from making accusatiosn and causing bad publicity has been the standard behavior of almost every college that has ever existed.


Except this isn't about date rape.  This is an allegation by a woman that a man abducted her, tied her up, beat her causing serious injuries and raped her.  He happened to also be her "friend".  In the other allegation, a man claimed he was gang raped by his roommates.
 
2014-03-12 09:25:48 AM  
Well, that's not fair. Who are we gonna rape then?
 
2014-03-12 09:36:10 AM  
PCC took no action against Beth's boyfriend. He graduated with honors and is now a pastor.

I'm kinda glad, in a way. With scumbags allowed to be a part of church, at least we know where the scumbags are.
 
2014-03-12 09:37:31 AM  
At this point I view religious people - at least those that are religious to the extent that they would seek out a private religious school with strict "moral" codes like the ones referenced in TFA - like smokers. There was a time you could claim ignorance, but, at this point, the risks of hanging out with nutty religious crackpots and subjecting yourself to their rules and contracts should be pretty obvious. If you choose to accept those risks then the consequences are entirely on your own head. No suing the tobacco companies when you get lung cancer any more, no complaining about religious colleges when you get kicked out for being a rape victim.

If they weren't treated fairly by law enforcement or the courts in relation to the criminal end of it, that's another matter not brought up in the article, but, as for their expulsions?

Too f'ing bad. Maybe try hanging out with people who have a slightly more intelligent view of human sexuality than this guy:

lgsquirrel.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-12 09:38:28 AM  

CivicMindedFive: incrdbil: The 'date rape' phenomena is not something new. Only recently have cracks finally appeared in the  cover ups that has been in place for by colleges.  The routine suppression intimidation of victims from making accusatiosn and causing bad publicity has been the standard behavior of almost every college that has ever existed.

Except this isn't about date rape.  This is an allegation by a woman that a man abducted her, tied her up, beat her causing serious injuries and raped her.  He happened to also be her "friend".  In the other allegation, a man claimed he was gang raped by his roommates.


"Date rape" is a term often used to describe assaults by those the victim knew, that were not family--as opposed to attacks by a stranger.

"Acquaintance rape" is a synonym. So yes, this is a "date" rape, though he didn't present her flowers before breaking the law.
 
2014-03-12 09:47:27 AM  
I can't possibly be the only one seeing similarities between this school and the village from Hot Fuzz.  The aspect of the 'moral code' being used to suppress victims and prop up the university is only for The Greater Good of the school.

/I think I'm gonna be sick
 
2014-03-12 09:48:36 AM  

skozlaw: At this point I view religious people - at least those that are religious to the extent that they would seek out a private religious school with strict "moral" codes like the ones referenced in TFA - like smokers. There was a time you could claim ignorance, but, at this point, the risks of hanging out with nutty religious crackpots and subjecting yourself to their rules and contracts should be pretty obvious. If you choose to accept those risks then the consequences are entirely on your own head. No suing the tobacco companies when you get lung cancer any more, no complaining about religious colleges when you get kicked out for being a rape victim.

If they weren't treated fairly by law enforcement or the courts in relation to the criminal end of it, that's another matter not brought up in the article, but, as for their expulsions?

Too f'ing bad. Maybe try hanging out with people who have a slightly more intelligent view of human sexuality than this guy:

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You make a decent point, but many area kids head to this school because it's basically a choice between PCC, Liberty "University", or excommunication from their families.

Not kidding. That's what happened to my mother, the daughter of one of the founding pastors at a local church. She chose to skip college and marry instead, and became the black sheep of the family.

Local Christian kids don't all choose this place because they like rules and raping people, though some obviously do. Even many students from hardcore conservative Baptist families, used to authoritarian environments, get shocked and embittered by what they find at PCC. It's like a fascist cult compound masquerading as a "nice school, and safe for little Suzy". Hardcore conservative parents insist on it, or no $$ for school...and these kids had been kept in such anti-government ignorance that they don't even know about student loans, or what "not accredited" really means for their futures.

That this little punkass went on to be a pastor isn't surprising at all. A certain amount of sadism appears to be required in that field.

As for the Farker that asked about a non-Christian Pensacola DA: I've never heard of one. If anybody knows otherwise, that knowledge would be useful and appreciated.
 
2014-03-12 09:50:11 AM  

CivicMindedFive: incrdbil: The 'date rape' phenomena is not something new. Only recently have cracks finally appeared in the  cover ups that has been in place for by colleges.  The routine suppression intimidation of victims from making accusatiosn and causing bad publicity has been the standard behavior of almost every college that has ever existed.

Except this isn't about date rape.  This is an allegation by a woman that a man abducted her, tied her up, beat her causing serious injuries and raped her.  He happened to also be her "friend".  In the other allegation, a man claimed he was gang raped by his roommates.


Sorry if I was not clear enough. Colleges/schools cover up any form of crime, or instituionalized behavior (hazing, alcohol abuse) that might make them look bad, even at the victims expense. At best, they may pay lip serviice to being concerned and taking action, but their first concern, over student safety, is protecting their publicity.  Rape, of any kind, is no exception.
 
2014-03-12 09:50:55 AM  

Epic Fap Session: Not to go all ITG, but if my daughter shows up all beat to hell, claiming rape, and I can't get help from the school or law enforcement, I believe I'd go on a farking rampage.


Yeah, this.  I can't imagine a single instance of seeing someone I love beaten to the point of broken bones and raped that doesn't end with my fists, feet and any other weapons that I could get my hands on being used.  I'm not saying I'd be very good at this, only that I find it hard to imagine restraining myself.
 
2014-03-12 09:52:41 AM  

Lordserb: This article was very insightful, brought out a great deal of information that was fair and impartial to both sides of the story and is likely right on the mark with its opinions.

or maybe not...


Oh, by all means, tell us the rapists' sides of the story.
 
2014-03-12 09:55:18 AM  
What was she wearing?

/rolls eyes - thank yew cheesus!
 
2014-03-12 09:57:39 AM  

noblewolf: [i242.photobucket.com image 640x507]


The "left" fork of the initial splits on that is wrong.  The orthodox churches didn't fragment very much, where the Roman Catholic+protestant line did.
 
2014-03-12 09:58:29 AM  

MagicMissile: Weaver95: AirForceVet: Sounds like a great reason not to send your kids to THAT school.

Cue "You're gonna get raped" meme.

as bad as this is, were it only confined to the elite few christians all locked in the same campus and raping one another in between classes, that would be bad enough.  ok, horrific enough really.  But the crazy christian elite who run these schools train to bring their toxic culture out of their cozy little rape boxes and inflict those ideals on the rest of the country.  that's the end goal - a 'christian nation'.  in the interim, they'll settle for taking over local and state governments and putting their twisted ideology into practice.  these people scare me.  not just because they see women as disposable sex objects but because they honestly believe that they can do no wrong.  they see themselves as the chosen of their lord god almighty - by definition they CANNOT be in the wrong.  that sort of world view is very very dangerous.

It's not Christians doing these things ... It's sick and evil ..people..... If you can call them that..... Using Christianity as a smoke screen to commit their crimes . Unfortunately there are a lot of non religious evil twisted farkers out there that see Christianity and other religious venues as a place to hide and find victims. Laws need to be put in place to better detect and track these types of people, and like I mentioned it should become a felony with very strict penalties for abusing religious names and venues in this manner including incarceration and deportation as well as permanent exile.


Read the Bible, doofus.  The whole thing, not just the nice parts.  Fact is, based on his actions, your god is an asshole, and so are his followers, since they use his dickish behavior to justify their own.
 
2014-03-12 09:58:36 AM  

MagicMissile: Ok ... If all this is true then just know that this isn't a Christian anything .... Christianity teaches that everything described in this story from the brutal assaults, rapes, expelling the victims , calling them " dirty vessels " and so on are all very evil things to do . Christianity teaches love, compassion, forgiveness, and that we are all imperfect but that God has love for all of us. We need only admit that we are sinners and reject our sins as much as we can , and accept Jesus Christ as our savior.

What is described in this story, if it's true... It is an evil organization that is falsely calling itself Christian and getting away with it. There should be an investigation , arrests made and people jailed over this . That college should be shut down as well . It should be a felony to falsely claim you represent a religion for personal gain and or to hijack a religion by using its name and then committing your crimes.



R i g h t....  Next you'll be telling us that not all Muslims are bloodthirsty terrorists!
 
2014-03-12 10:02:26 AM  

MagicMissile: Ok ... If all this is true then just know that this isn't a Christian anything .... Christianity teaches that everything described in this story from the brutal assaults, rapes, expelling the victims , calling them " dirty vessels " and so on are all very evil things to do . Christianity teaches love, compassion, forgiveness, and that we are all imperfect but that God has love for all of us. We need only admit that we are sinners and reject our sins as much as we can , and accept Jesus Christ as our savior.

What is described in this story, if it's true... It is an evil organization that is falsely calling itself Christian and getting away with it. There should be an investigation , arrests made and people jailed over this . That college should be shut down as well . It should be a felony to falsely claim you represent a religion for personal gain and or to hijack a religion by using its name and then committing your crimes.


Nice thing about Christianity it tells a lot of people different things up to and including genocide.

If you are a Christian today the faith you believe in is one that has been twisted and warped out of any recognition to what was worshiped when the cult first started.
 The radical changes in doctrine is a testament to the inheritance of corruption from each generation of Christian leaders.  The idea of the hippy loving Jesus is a pretty recent example of how doctrine changes over time according to the need for the religion to control a new generation.
 
2014-03-12 10:04:04 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: I knew a girl at university who made up a rape claim so she could miss her exams, get her entire semester thrown out all so she could avoid a single F on her transcript.


Did she break her own arm to make her claim seem more convincing?

\not sure what your point is
 
2014-03-12 10:05:06 AM  
Question from the new SAT: So you're walking down the street one day, and on one side there's a church, and on the other there's a mosque.  How wide the street need to be before you can make it to the end of the block without being raped or blown up by a suicide bomber?

Assume the Earth is a perfect sphere.  Disregard friction due to atmospheric drag.  All meteorological conditions at STP (standard temperature and pressure).  Relativistic effects due to proximity of high-density concentration of derp in Central Florida may be ignored.  Show all work.
 
2014-03-12 10:05:26 AM  

supageil: CivicMindedFive: incrdbil: The 'date rape' phenomena is not something new. Only recently have cracks finally appeared in the  cover ups that has been in place for by colleges.  The routine suppression intimidation of victims from making accusatiosn and causing bad publicity has been the standard behavior of almost every college that has ever existed.

Except this isn't about date rape.  This is an allegation by a woman that a man abducted her, tied her up, beat her causing serious injuries and raped her.  He happened to also be her "friend".  In the other allegation, a man claimed he was gang raped by his roommates.

"Date rape" is a term often used to describe assaults by those the victim knew, that were not family--as opposed to attacks by a stranger.

"Acquaintance rape" is a synonym. So yes, this is a "date" rape, though he didn't present her flowers before breaking the law.


I prefer "casual rape"... I'm not really at a place in my life for anything serious...
 
2014-03-12 10:06:52 AM  
*sigh* You people act like this is just a Christian college or university thing. Rapes on most colleges or universities usually end with the victim being removed from campus. Most are "encouraged" to do so "voluntarily", but some are just out right harassed into it. I'm surprised that this college just comes out and boots the victim, but don' act like this is exclusive to Christian colleges.
 
2014-03-12 10:08:36 AM  
I am Jack's utter lack of surprise.
 
2014-03-12 10:14:08 AM  

MagicMissile: Weaver95: AirForceVet: Sounds like a great reason not to send your kids to THAT school.

Cue "You're gonna get raped" meme.

as bad as this is, were it only confined to the elite few christians all locked in the same campus and raping one another in between classes, that would be bad enough.  ok, horrific enough really.  But the crazy christian elite who run these schools train to bring their toxic culture out of their cozy little rape boxes and inflict those ideals on the rest of the country.  that's the end goal - a 'christian nation'.  in the interim, they'll settle for taking over local and state governments and putting their twisted ideology into practice.  these people scare me.  not just because they see women as disposable sex objects but because they honestly believe that they can do no wrong.  they see themselves as the chosen of their lord god almighty - by definition they CANNOT be in the wrong.  that sort of world view is very very dangerous.

It's not Christians doing these things ... It's sick and evil ..people..... If you can call them that..... Using Christianity as a smoke screen to commit their crimes . Unfortunately there are a lot of non religious evil twisted farkers out there that see Christianity and other religious venues as a place to hide and find victims. Laws need to be put in place to better detect and track these types of people, and like I mentioned it should become a felony with very strict penalties for abusing religious names and venues in this manner including incarceration and deportation as well as permanent exile.


When violence is as inherent to a belief system, as it is in Christianity when does it stop being a few lone ass holes and becomes millions of believers acting according to their belief system?

Just because the small sect you belong to has rejected violence does not mean, the faith as a whole is rotten to the core. It has been for about 1800 years now. I don't expect you to know the day to day negatives about your faith but surely you are not naive as to not know about the near constant genocide your faith has been part of? Violence spanning every part of the globe. Every Christian country has some example of extreme wholesale violence committed by the Christian population in the name of God.
 
2014-03-12 10:15:02 AM  

MagicMissile: Try not to be so naive guys


Ok, this is obviously a troll.  To say what this person said, then get the exact responses that pretty much anyone could have predicted (no true Scotsman), and follow up by accusing everyone else of naivete is too ironic to be real.
 
2014-03-12 10:15:20 AM  

Kali-Yuga: cretinbob:

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)      If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

And then of course according to Deuteronomy 22:13-21 she must be stoned to death on her wedding day for not being a virgin.


So you're saying the "can-never-divorce-her" thing isn't really a big deal?  The Bible, always thinking ahead.
 
2014-03-12 10:20:39 AM  

sallys: a) they should not be accredited schools
b) I hope it happens to that guys daughter


You do realize, don't you, this with this comment you have lowered yourself to the level of the school administrators who expelled the rape victims.  You consider the hypothetical daughter in question worthless and disposable, useful only as a vessel for punishing the father.

You are a horrible person.
 
2014-03-12 10:21:06 AM  

AirForceVet: Sounds like a great reason not to send your kids to THAT school.

Cue "You're gonna get raped" meme.


It's only going to get worse in the short term. Now predators know they can literally get away with rape. All they have to do is praise Jesus nice and loud when they aren't raping anyone. Before these schools were just places where predators happened to get away with it. Now, unless the schools crack down and start changing, they're going to attract predators who are enticed by a school that will throw the VICTIMS out.
 
2014-03-12 10:22:44 AM  

Brick-House: Well, that's not fair. Who are we gonna rape then?


There's always a new class of incoming freshmen...
 
2014-03-12 10:23:03 AM  
After article/comments: Now teaching all my kids: If you're raped, go to the hospital. Alert the attending that you have been raped. Demand a rape kit, and a rape sensitive officer be brought to you to get your statement and any photos necessary. Call me after they go to get officer and let me know where you are. I'll get there asap. Do not sign anything unless I am there, or you have a lawyer there to help review.

DO NOT go to campus security, or school officers. Go Directly to Hospital. Collect Mom.

O_O

Not to Godwin the "They're not really Xtians!!" group or anything, but Hitler was a Christian, and used Christianity as a front for all of his evil malicious deeds. That's part of the reason all of the Christians in Germany were so willing to follow him.
 
2014-03-12 10:24:47 AM  

shamanwest: MagicMissile: Ok ... If all this is true then just know that this isn't a Christian anything .... Christianity teaches that everything described in this story from the brutal assaults, rapes, expelling the victims , calling them " dirty vessels " and so on are all very evil things to do . Christianity teaches love, compassion, forgiveness, and that we are all imperfect but that God has love for all of us. We need only admit that we are sinners and reject our sins as much as we can , and accept Jesus Christ as our savior.

What is described in this story, if it's true... It is an evil organization that is falsely calling itself Christian and getting away with it. There should be an investigation , arrests made and people jailed over this . That college should be shut down as well . It should be a felony to falsely claim you represent a religion for personal gain and or to hijack a religion by using its name and then committing your crimes.

This is Florida. Not far from where I am is a place where the bodies of dead boys are being dug up and examined from deaths that took place over something like 60 years at a boys school. Just hearing about the stories makes you think of the boy's school that Jack got caught up in in the Talisman. Only this place was for really-real, and people so did not know about what was going on, even though their kids were dying, for so long that they'e just now exhuming and examining these bodies.

Give it time. The police will get around to investigating ... after the place is shut down and no longer donating to someone.


I should also mention children in religiously fundamental homes almost never report sexual abuse. If they do it is normally to a trusted friend or an elder.  The elder then will pretty universally sweep it under the rug or blames the victim. These communities are not a fun place to grow up in. It takes a long time just to learn to be a normal person when you escape out of them.
 
2014-03-12 10:28:49 AM  
Story would be better had it included some more actual facts
 
2014-03-12 10:30:26 AM  

tlars699: Not to Godwin the "They're not really Xtians!!" group or anything, but Hitler was a Christian, and used Christianity as a front for all of his evil malicious deeds. That's part of the reason all of the Christians in Germany were so willing to follow him.


If you're a murderer, you're not a christian.  Hitler may have said he was, but he wasn't.
I can say I am a super hero if I want to, it doesn't make it true.
 
2014-03-12 10:31:07 AM  

Rozotorical: shamanwest: MagicMissile: Ok ... If all this is true then just know that this isn't a Christian anything .... Christianity teaches that everything described in this story from the brutal assaults, rapes, expelling the victims , calling them " dirty vessels " and so on are all very evil things to do . Christianity teaches love, compassion, forgiveness, and that we are all imperfect but that God has love for all of us. We need only admit that we are sinners and reject our sins as much as we can , and accept Jesus Christ as our savior.

What is described in this story, if it's true... It is an evil organization that is falsely calling itself Christian and getting away with it. There should be an investigation , arrests made and people jailed over this . That college should be shut down as well . It should be a felony to falsely claim you represent a religion for personal gain and or to hijack a religion by using its name and then committing your crimes.

This is Florida. Not far from where I am is a place where the bodies of dead boys are being dug up and examined from deaths that took place over something like 60 years at a boys school. Just hearing about the stories makes you think of the boy's school that Jack got caught up in in the Talisman. Only this place was for really-real, and people so did not know about what was going on, even though their kids were dying, for so long that they'e just now exhuming and examining these bodies.

Give it time. The police will get around to investigating ... after the place is shut down and no longer donating to someone.

I should also mention children in religiously fundamental homes almost never report sexual abuse. If they do it is normally to a trusted friend or an elder.  The elder then will pretty universally sweep it under the rug or blames the victim. These communities are not a fun place to grow up in. It takes a long time just to learn to be a normal person when you escape out of them.


That's also an answer to "why didn't her parents do more????"
 
2014-03-12 10:31:14 AM  

Big Ramifications: You sound like a hateful hate-filled C U Next Tuesday of a human being. Are you for real?


Weaver95 is most certainly for real.  And what part was hateful?  He is speaking the truth.
 
2014-03-12 10:31:46 AM  

nmrsnr: FTFA: "One night in May, however, she was grabbed, dragged into a construction area, beaten, restrained with bungee cord and duct tape, and then raped. As he was leaving her there, she recognized him as her boyfriend. A campus security guard discovered her, still restrained with the cord and tape, and took her to the campus clinic to file a report. In the next 24 hours, she went to the hospital, reported her attack to the police, and stayed the night with her parents. However, when she arrived back on campus with a black eye and a broken arm, her family was confronted by the dean of women and told that Beth was being expelled "because she is a fornicator."

PCC took no action against Beth's boyfriend. He graduated with honors and is now a pastor."

Okay, there has to be something missing from this story. I know that most women don't report rape, but here it says she filed a report. Even if she failed to go through with pressing charges, kidnapping and false imprisonment (and potentially attempted murder for leaving her there bound) are all crimes for which the victim doesn't have to press charges, the state can. So even if the school didn't take action, the guy should have been arrested and had a trial. The article makes no mention of this one way or the other. If he had a trial and was acquitted, then the college shouldn't have taken any action against him, because in the eyes of the law he is innocent. If he was never brought to trial despite the evidence, there is more screwed up here than a Christian college's honor code.


This.

People are going to take the word of some blog versus the criminal justice system? This "story" smells of fake all over.
 
2014-03-12 10:33:51 AM  

stonicus: tlars699: Not to Godwin the "They're not really Xtians!!" group or anything, but Hitler was a Christian, and used Christianity as a front for all of his evil malicious deeds. That's part of the reason all of the Christians in Germany were so willing to follow him.

If you're a murderer, you're not a christian.  Hitler may have said he was, but he wasn't.
I can say I am a super hero if I want to, it doesn't make it true.


Killing people even in the worse way imaginable has no affect with your standing with God son. We are all just as guilty, it's sin nature don't you know. Now so long as we repent and super love Jesus we all get into heaven with the gold and the whores.
 
2014-03-12 10:34:43 AM  

Lady Indica: nmrsnr: FTFA: "One night in May, however, she was grabbed, dragged into a construction area, beaten, restrained with bungee cord and duct tape, and then raped. As he was leaving her there, she recognized him as her boyfriend. A campus security guard discovered her, still restrained with the cord and tape, and took her to the campus clinic to file a report. In the next 24 hours, she went to the hospital, reported her attack to the police, and stayed the night with her parents. However, when she arrived back on campus with a black eye and a broken arm, her family was confronted by the dean of women and told that Beth was being expelled "because she is a fornicator."

PCC took no action against Beth's boyfriend. He graduated with honors and is now a pastor."

Okay, there has to be something missing from this story. I know that most women don't report rape, but here it says she filed a report. Even if she failed to go through with pressing charges, kidnapping and false imprisonment (and potentially attempted murder for leaving her there bound) are all crimes for which the victim doesn't have to press charges, the state can. So even if the school didn't take action, the guy should have been arrested and had a trial. The article makes no mention of this one way or the other. If he had a trial and was acquitted, then the college shouldn't have taken any action against him, because in the eyes of the law he is innocent. If he was never brought to trial despite the evidence, there is more screwed up here than a Christian college's honor code.

I think there's certainly more to the story...but it doesn't matter in the context of what the article asserts. She was rescued by campus police (so really no question here about the rape, even if there may be a question *who* did it), taken to a hospital, etc and upon returning to school the next day was expelled for being a fornicator.

Immediately after being brutally raped, bones broken, she was expelled for being a fornicator.


What proof is there she was raped? As far as the school knows, she got stuck tied up after a BDSM session. If she didn't press criminal charges (and if the state declined to prosecute for the ones she doesn't have to press) then it is more likely that she made it up after being found tied up and naked.
 
2014-03-12 10:37:36 AM  

MagicMissile: Ok ... If all this is true then just know that this isn't a Christian anything .... Christianity teaches that everything described in this story from the brutal assaults, rapes, expelling the victims , calling them " dirty vessels " and so on are all very evil things to do . Christianity teaches love, compassion, forgiveness, and that we are all imperfect but that God has love for all of us. We need only admit that we are sinners and reject our sins as much as we can , and accept Jesus Christ as our savior.

What is described in this story, if it's true... It is an evil organization that is falsely calling itself Christian and getting away with it. There should be an investigation , arrests made and people jailed over this . That college should be shut down as well . It should be a felony to falsely claim you represent a religion for personal gain and or to hijack a religion by using its name and then committing your crimes.


You're trying to reason with hate filled liberals. Heck, if the story here is true, it is probably liberals pretending to be Christians to advance their cause.
 
2014-03-12 10:38:08 AM  

Bullseyed: What proof is there she was raped?


Somehow you missed the part where she was EXPELLED FOR BRINGING UP RAPE CHARGES.

Let me say that one more time in case you missed it.

She was expelled for bringing up rape charges.
 
2014-03-12 10:38:47 AM  

supageil: Rozotorical: shamanwest: MagicMissile: Ok ... If all this is true then just know that this isn't a Christian anything .... Christianity teaches that everything described in this story from the brutal assaults, rapes, expelling the victims , calling them " dirty vessels " and so on are all very evil things to do . Christianity teaches love, compassion, forgiveness, and that we are all imperfect but that God has love for all of us. We need only admit that we are sinners and reject our sins as much as we can , and accept Jesus Christ as our savior.

What is described in this story, if it's true... It is an evil organization that is falsely calling itself Christian and getting away with it. There should be an investigation , arrests made and people jailed over this . That college should be shut down as well . It should be a felony to falsely claim you represent a religion for personal gain and or to hijack a religion by using its name and then committing your crimes.

This is Florida. Not far from where I am is a place where the bodies of dead boys are being dug up and examined from deaths that took place over something like 60 years at a boys school. Just hearing about the stories makes you think of the boy's school that Jack got caught up in in the Talisman. Only this place was for really-real, and people so did not know about what was going on, even though their kids were dying, for so long that they'e just now exhuming and examining these bodies.

Give it time. The police will get around to investigating ... after the place is shut down and no longer donating to someone.

I should also mention children in religiously fundamental homes almost never report sexual abuse. If they do it is normally to a trusted friend or an elder.  The elder then will pretty universally sweep it under the rug or blames the victim. These communities are not a fun place to grow up in. It takes a long time just to learn to be a normal person when you escape out of them.

That's also an answ ...


There is a reflection of the children's actions socially to the adults.  A lot of pressure to have perfect Jesus loving children. Religion can be a funny thing, when you wrap your entire lifestyle and belief system around it the idea of being rejected even slightly by your peers is a powerful motivator to do extremely shiatty things to people you care about.
 
2014-03-12 10:39:31 AM  

doosh: nmrsnr: FTFA: "One night in May, however, she was grabbed, dragged into a construction area, beaten, restrained with bungee cord and duct tape, and then raped. As he was leaving her there, she recognized him as her boyfriend. A campus security guard discovered her, still restrained with the cord and tape, and took her to the campus clinic to file a report. In the next 24 hours, she went to the hospital, reported her attack to the police, and stayed the night with her parents. However, when she arrived back on campus with a black eye and a broken arm, her family was confronted by the dean of women and told that Beth was being expelled "because she is a fornicator."

PCC took no action against Beth's boyfriend. He graduated with honors and is now a pastor."

Okay, there has to be something missing from this story. I know that most women don't report rape, but here it says she filed a report. Even if she failed to go through with pressing charges, kidnapping and false imprisonment (and potentially attempted murder for leaving her there bound) are all crimes for which the victim doesn't have to press charges, the state can. So even if the school didn't take action, the guy should have been arrested and had a trial. The article makes no mention of this one way or the other. If he had a trial and was acquitted, then the college shouldn't have taken any action against him, because in the eyes of the law he is innocent. If he was never brought to trial despite the evidence, there is more screwed up here than a Christian college's honor code.

Maybe I'm getting jaded from having been on Fark too long but my spidey senses were a-tingling along the same lines. The whole article reads like something posted to outrage you but with nary a detail that can be used to verify any of this actually happened. If this in fact actually happened that family would (or should) have reported this to the local media and it would have become national news overnight.


If her family sent her to a place like that, they probably approve of the schools handling of the situation. But yea, there's a lot missing here.
 
2014-03-12 10:42:00 AM  

stonicus: tlars699: Not to Godwin the "They're not really Xtians!!" group or anything, but Hitler was a Christian, and used Christianity as a front for all of his evil malicious deeds. That's part of the reason all of the Christians in Germany were so willing to follow him.

If you're a murderer, you're not a christian.  Hitler may have said he was, but he wasn't.
I can say I am a super hero if I want to, it doesn't make it true.


I'm going with the duck theory:

If he walks like a Christian into his weekly christian service, talks like a christian espousing Jesus, including how Jesus used violence against the temple's oppressors (hint: They were Jews!),
and acts like a Christian in public in doing these things, and gathering the poor Aryan youths and giving them purpose and drive, encouraging the other Christians to get higher education to become doctors and lawyers, because "teaching to fish", etc.

...Then he was a Christian. You can be a BAD Christian, and still believe in Christ.

 King Herod was technically a Christian, for crying out loud- He actually believed that Jesus was the King of the Jews, and hence ordered all male babies to be found, registered, and eventually slain.
 
2014-03-12 10:42:38 AM  

Rozotorical: supageil: Rozotorical: shamanwest: MagicMissile: Ok ... If all this is true then just know that this isn't a Christian anything .... Christianity teaches that everything described in this story from the brutal assaults, rapes, expelling the victims , calling them " dirty vessels " and so on are all very evil things to do . Christianity teaches love, compassion, forgiveness, and that we are all imperfect but that God has love for all of us. We need only admit that we are sinners and reject our sins as much as we can , and accept Jesus Christ as our savior.

What is described in this story, if it's true... It is an evil organization that is falsely calling itself Christian and getting away with it. There should be an investigation , arrests made and people jailed over this . That college should be shut down as well . It should be a felony to falsely claim you represent a religion for personal gain and or to hijack a religion by using its name and then committing your crimes.

This is Florida. Not far from where I am is a place where the bodies of dead boys are being dug up and examined from deaths that took place over something like 60 years at a boys school. Just hearing about the stories makes you think of the boy's school that Jack got caught up in in the Talisman. Only this place was for really-real, and people so did not know about what was going on, even though their kids were dying, for so long that they'e just now exhuming and examining these bodies.

Give it time. The police will get around to investigating ... after the place is shut down and no longer donating to someone.

I should also mention children in religiously fundamental homes almost never report sexual abuse. If they do it is normally to a trusted friend or an elder.  The elder then will pretty universally sweep it under the rug or blames the victim. These communities are not a fun place to grow up in. It takes a long time just to learn to be a normal person when you escape out of them.

That's al ...


huh, there is a lot wrong with that last post.

Basically the church can be a powerful motivator in keeping Parents of abuse quit. In a lot of ways similar to what it does to the abuse victim.

For an extreme example. What is still currently happening in Bolivia

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/the-ghost-rapes-of-bolivia-000300-v20 n8
 
2014-03-12 10:42:51 AM  

harleyquinnical: I can't possibly be the only one seeing similarities between this school and the village from Hot Fuzz.  The aspect of the 'moral code' being used to suppress victims and prop up the university is only for The Greater Good of the school.

/I think I'm gonna be sick


I suspect that villages like the one in Hot Fuzz may be more common than we'd like to think.
 
2014-03-12 10:45:40 AM  

Rozotorical: stonicus: tlars699: Not to Godwin the "They're not really Xtians!!" group or anything, but Hitler was a Christian, and used Christianity as a front for all of his evil malicious deeds. That's part of the reason all of the Christians in Germany were so willing to follow him.

If you're a murderer, you're not a christian.  Hitler may have said he was, but he wasn't.
I can say I am a super hero if I want to, it doesn't make it true.

Killing people even in the worse way imaginable has no affect with your standing with God son. We are all just as guilty, it's sin nature don't you know. Now so long as we repent and super love Jesus we all get into heaven with the gold and the whores.


He killed himself... no pass for him...
 
2014-03-12 10:45:43 AM  

JohnnyC: So your plan is to pretend that Christians who do horrible things are actually atheists who infiltrate religious venues to hide and find victims?


That's why words have definitions. For example, you're not Catholic if you have voted for a pro-choice politician. You can go to church all you want. You can pray, donate money, whatever. You aren't Catholic.  That's why gay marriage is no big deal. It isn't real marriage.

If Catholics, Jews, Muslims, or even "fundamentalist christians" are right, whatever the rules are will define who was or was not a true member, regardless of what they called themselves. Say the Catholic version is correct. When Hitler died, he couldn't just say "oh yeah I was Catholic and went to Church" and get in to heaven.
 
2014-03-12 10:48:14 AM  

Bullseyed: he couldn't just say "oh yeah I was Catholic and went to Church" and get in to heaven


You are assuming that someone who has violated the first commandment their entire lives will get into heaven.  That's a bit of a stretch.
 
2014-03-12 10:48:15 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Bullseyed: What proof is there she was raped?

Somehow you missed the part where she was EXPELLED FOR BRINGING UP RAPE CHARGES.

Let me say that one more time in case you missed it.

She was expelled for bringing up rape charges.


Except she didn't bring up rape charges. If she did, cite the police records, the national media story, etc. If she did, the entire hospital where she got her rape kit done is going to jail too for not reporting it.

Some blog on the internet making things up doesn't make it true.
 
2014-03-12 10:50:50 AM  

stonicus: Rozotorical: stonicus: tlars699: Not to Godwin the "They're not really Xtians!!" group or anything, but Hitler was a Christian, and used Christianity as a front for all of his evil malicious deeds. That's part of the reason all of the Christians in Germany were so willing to follow him.

If you're a murderer, you're not a christian.  Hitler may have said he was, but he wasn't.
I can say I am a super hero if I want to, it doesn't make it true.

Killing people even in the worse way imaginable has no affect with your standing with God son. We are all just as guilty, it's sin nature don't you know. Now so long as we repent and super love Jesus we all get into heaven with the gold and the whores.

He killed himself... no pass for him...


Nah son, you don't know Hitler killed himself. There were no surviving witnesses. Hitler being a good fearing man. More then likely had his sister girlfriend shoot him before offing herself.  So don't worry you uncle Hitler will be in a mansion in heaven drinking from the same fountain Jesus and your pappy.

Now that Gandhi sick-o, that little fark is burning in hell each and every second for the rest of motherfarking time.
 
2014-03-12 10:51:34 AM  

Bullseyed: Except she didn't bring up rape charges. If she did, cite the police records, the national media story, etc. If she did, the entire hospital where she got her rape kit done is going to jail too for not reporting it.

Some blog on the internet making things up doesn't make it true.


If it was an isolated incident I would discount it.  These "incidents" are like a rash across the country, as you can see:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/18/missouri.school.rape.claim/
http://www.redandblack.com/news/student-accused-of-rape-expelled-cla im s-uga-denied-due-process/article_5383b38e-39c4-11e2-8540-001a4bcf6878. html
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/unc-student-accused-harassing- ex -boyfriend-after-f/nWb3S/
http://jezebel.com/5986693/college-rape-survivor-faces-potential-exp ul sion-for-intimidating-her-rapist

And those incidents are from SECULAR schools.
 
2014-03-12 10:52:10 AM  

Bullseyed: Except she didn't bring up rape charges


So she was expelled for no reason then.
 
2014-03-12 10:52:44 AM  
I see that Fark's Conservative dumbass racial apologist has entered the thread.
 
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