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(Patheos)   Rapes on Christian college campus result in expulsion of students. Fark: The victims, not the attackers   (patheos.com) divider line 285
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2014-03-12 05:37:02 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: wurdjunky: This article is a half-assed ripoff of a much more in depth story on Patrick Henry College from a few weeks ago.

Well, to be fair, this wasn't an article, it was a guest blog on "Slacktivist."

A google for Pensacola Christian College shows no news articles about rape, or any sort of crime or problems at all, in the first 4 pages of hits.


Found at least one on the first page :  http://www.vice.com/read/sexual-abuse-has-become-a-huge-problem-for-a m ericas-bible-colleges
 
2014-03-12 05:42:22 AM  

doglover: kortex: What do you expect for sending your kids to a school based around made up crap?

Math is just made up crap. You take some very simple rules, extrapolate a bit, and you get math. A perfect system. In the real real universe, no system is perfect, so math doesn't accurately model it. So we go back to the math, make up more stuff, try again, etc. etc. etc. Eventually we get a math that ACTUALLY WORKS to a useful degree of accuracy. Physics is chock full of it. But if you study physics for more than 10 minutes, you realize that there's still a non-trivial margin of error. That's because math is made up while matter is not. So you run the numbers a lot and make sure your math is as close as possible to the real thing. Even then, sometimes we have to re-kajigger the math to make it work again.


Religion is kind of the same thing. Take the "Word of God"TM (It's really not. It's the words of many men about the word of god, plus about 50 translations on top, and that's why you study it every week for a lifetime.) Apply, and repeat. When something's not working, back to the altar and meditate upon it and schism that shiat till it's working again. Ideally that's what happens. Ideally

But the evolution of the mental into the physical is the primary obstacle humans face in life. Almost every problem we face is just another flavor of this sour grape. So right now you have people practicing a wrong Christianity at this school. I say we should help them with compassion in our hearts and in no way spare the rod. Put them back on the cross as it were. Especially the rapists. We can literally have them following in Jesus' footsteps. Big nails are only like $3 each.


I had a friend work with one of his math professors on a proof that explained--to people with thick glasses, suspenders, and pocket protector as, anyway--that 2 plus 2 does not equal a precise 4, but something extremely close.

THIS is why I didn't major in math, but in something where people haven't stopped arguing for thousands of year: history!
 
2014-03-12 05:48:04 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: wurdjunky: This article is a half-assed ripoff of a much more in depth story on Patrick Henry College from a few weeks ago.

Well, to be fair, this wasn't an article, it was a guest blog on "Slacktivist."

A google for Pensacola Christian College shows no news articles about rape, or any sort of crime or problems at all, in the first 4 pages of hits.


That would suggest that it didn't happen *at all*; it's just a smear.
 
2014-03-12 05:55:10 AM  

JohnnyC: Perhaps if he hadn't said:

MagicMissile: Unfortunately there are a lot of non religious evil twisted farkers out there that see Christianity and other religious venues as a place to hide and find victims.

... I might be inclined to agree. But he did.

If a police officer does something horrible to someone else, do we suddenly say that he/she was never actually a police officer at all and was an anarchist hiding in the police force to look for victims? No... we say, "that police officer did something horrible". That person might get kicked off the police force for their actions, but he/she was still a member of the police.


Well, they certainly aren't following the tenets of that religion, which is typically how we define "religious", so I can see the other side, too. It's not like they are professional Christians, either. It's more like if there was a club dedicated to non-violence, and one of the members of that club liked to get into fights. He might be a member of that club, but he certainly isn't representative of the club's goals, now is he? Additionally, there's no certifying authority for religious people, but there is one for police. You don't have to apply to anything, or complete any specific course of action, in order to call yourself a member of whatever religion you want. However, there are laws against calling yourself a policeman if you have not met certain standards. I'm not sure those are comparable positions. However, again, we would not say that an anarchist who pretends to be a law enforcer in order to find victims doesn't typify police officers, but you seem to be saying that the people who pretend to be religious in order to find victims typifies religious people, and that doesn't square with my personal experience. For the record, I'm not religious, and in fact I am opposed to organized religion on principle, but that doesn't mean that I mistake the issues I have with religion with issues I have with the religious. They're not the same thing.
 
2014-03-12 05:56:51 AM  

untaken_name: However, again, we would not say that an anarchist who pretends to be a law enforcer in order to find victims doesn't DOES typify police officers


I even previewed and I missed that one.
 
2014-03-12 05:57:02 AM  
I'm skeptical. I'm not saying this doesn't happen at colleges, I'm just saying these examples seem a little far-fetched.
 
2014-03-12 06:03:58 AM  

Fury Pilot: Found at least one on the first page :  http://www.vice.com/read/sexual-abuse-has-become-a-huge-problem-for-a m ericas-bible-colleges



Vice.com.  Interesting.  Google might be taking you to specific, um, special interest, sites based on your search history.  I just repeated the search and see nothing but general admissions information and such in either "News" or "Web" tabs.  Anyway.... this post again says nothing about a police report or a crime.  It is a third hand account that an accusation was made, no one was expelled (or at least the article doesn't say so), and none of it is verified by the college or anyone else.
 
2014-03-12 06:12:49 AM  
MagicMissile:

It's not Christians doing these things ... It's sick and evil ..people..... If you can call them that..... Using Christianity as a smoke screen to commit their crimes . Unfortunately there are a lot of non religious evil twisted farkers out there that see Christianity and other religious venues as a place to hide and find victims. Laws need to be put in place to better detect and track these types of people, and like I mentioned it should become a felony with very strict penalties for abusing religious names and venues in this manner including incarceration and deportation as well as permanent exile.

uh...nope.  this is being done by a rather significant faction of modern Christianity.  you might not want them on your side (and I get it if you're disgusted with 'em, no argument from me on that score!) but you got 'em.  these days that's what Christianity has become - a place where rapists and scumbags can hide, grow, and hurt people.  this is what's become of that religion in the US.  either you face that reality, accept that Christianity has some serious soul searching and house cleaning to do and then fix it...or the problem will continue to corrupt, distort and destroy Christianity from within.
 
2014-03-12 06:15:17 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: I'm skeptical. I'm not saying this doesn't happen at colleges, I'm just saying these examples seem a little far-fetched.


no, its been something of a theme lately.  stories of rapes and rape culture have been hinted at for years about these places.  its only just recently that details have started to leak out.  I can only assume that someone forgot to pay their yearly bribe money to keep things quiet and that's why we're getting the nasty details.
 
2014-03-12 06:15:24 AM  

cretinbob: If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.


A just and wise punishment.
 
2014-03-12 06:19:59 AM  

maram500: -that 2 plus 2 does not equal a precise 4, but something extremely close.


I'm gettin' a math boner.

I may hate on the sciences here in favor of philosophy, but really who doesn't hate their ex? I was one semester away from a minor in physics and chemistry. I just didn't have the heart to keep going to school after getting a degree.
 
2014-03-12 06:27:53 AM  

Weaver95: rzrwiresunrise: I'm skeptical. I'm not saying this doesn't happen at colleges, I'm just saying these examples seem a little far-fetched.

no, its been something of a theme lately.  stories of rapes and rape culture have been hinted at for years about these places.  its only just recently that details have started to leak out.  I can only assume that someone forgot to pay their yearly bribe money to keep things quiet and that's why we're getting the nasty details.


Yeah, and the cousin of a friend that lived next door to my accountant told me the house down the street is haunted. Like I said, I'm not saying these things don't happen, but TFA gives little in the way of corroboration. The Vice.com article was much more convincing (thanks, FuryPilot).

Oh, and fark that term "rape culture."
 
2014-03-12 06:40:25 AM  
I knew a girl at university who made up a rape claim so she could miss her exams, get her entire semester thrown out all so she could avoid a single F on her transcript.
 
2014-03-12 06:42:45 AM  

Lordserb: This article was very insightful, brought out a great deal of information that was fair and impartial to both sides of the story and is likely right on the mark with its opinions.

or maybe not...


*plonk*
 
2014-03-12 06:46:03 AM  

MagicMissile: Weaver95: AirForceVet: Sounds like a great reason not to send your kids to THAT school.

Cue "You're gonna get raped" meme.

as bad as this is, were it only confined to the elite few christians all locked in the same campus and raping one another in between classes, that would be bad enough.  ok, horrific enough really.  But the crazy christian elite who run these schools train to bring their toxic culture out of their cozy little rape boxes and inflict those ideals on the rest of the country.  that's the end goal - a 'christian nation'.  in the interim, they'll settle for taking over local and state governments and putting their twisted ideology into practice.  these people scare me.  not just because they see women as disposable sex objects but because they honestly believe that they can do no wrong.  they see themselves as the chosen of their lord god almighty - by definition they CANNOT be in the wrong.  that sort of world view is very very dangerous.

It's not Christians doing these things ... It's sick and evil ..people..... If you can call them that..... Using Christianity as a smoke screen to commit their crimes . Unfortunately there are a lot of non religious evil twisted farkers out there that see Christianity and other religious venues as a place to hide and find victims. Laws need to be put in place to better detect and track these types of people, and like I mentioned it should become a felony with very strict penalties for abusing religious names and venues in this manner including incarceration and deportation as well as permanent exile.


You are obviously not a true Scotsman.
 
2014-03-12 06:56:28 AM  
While the article carries an aura of truthiness...

I also believe I detect the aroma of...

Sniff, sniff...

An axe being ground against a bullshiat wheel.
 
2014-03-12 06:56:32 AM  

MagicMissile: Ok ... If all this is true then just know that this isn't a Christian anything .... Christianity teaches that everything described in this story from the brutal assaults, rapes, expelling the victims , calling them " dirty vessels " and so on are all very evil things to do . Christianity teaches love, compassion, forgiveness, and that we are all imperfect but that God has love for all of us. We need only admit that we are sinners and reject our sins as much as we can , and accept Jesus Christ as our savior.

What is described in this story, if it's true... It is an evil organization that is falsely calling itself Christian and getting away with it. There should be an investigation , arrests made and people jailed over this . That college should be shut down as well . It should be a felony to falsely claim you represent a religion for personal gain and or to hijack a religion by using its name and then committing your crimes.


This is Florida. Not far from where I am is a place where the bodies of dead boys are being dug up and examined from deaths that took place over something like 60 years at a boys school. Just hearing about the stories makes you think of the boy's school that Jack got caught up in in the Talisman. Only this place was for really-real, and people so did not know about what was going on, even though their kids were dying, for so long that they'e just now exhuming and examining these bodies.

Give it time. The police will get around to investigating ... after the place is shut down and no longer donating to someone.
 
2014-03-12 06:57:44 AM  

nmrsnr: FTFA: "One night in May, however, she was grabbed, dragged into a construction area, beaten, restrained with bungee cord and duct tape, and then raped. As he was leaving her there, she recognized him as her boyfriend. A campus security guard discovered her, still restrained with the cord and tape, and took her to the campus clinic to file a report. In the next 24 hours, she went to the hospital, reported her attack to the police, and stayed the night with her parents. However, when she arrived back on campus with a black eye and a broken arm, her family was confronted by the dean of women and told that Beth was being expelled "because she is a fornicator."

PCC took no action against Beth's boyfriend. He graduated with honors and is now a pastor."

Okay, there has to be something missing from this story. I know that most women don't report rape, but here it says she filed a report. Even if she failed to go through with pressing charges, kidnapping and false imprisonment (and potentially attempted murder for leaving her there bound) are all crimes for which the victim doesn't have to press charges, the state can. So even if the school didn't take action, the guy should have been arrested and had a trial. The article makes no mention of this one way or the other. If he had a trial and was acquitted, then the college shouldn't have taken any action against him, because in the eyes of the law he is innocent. If he was never brought to trial despite the evidence, there is more screwed up here than a Christian college's honor code.


You know how I know you've never been to Pensacola?
 
2014-03-12 07:00:18 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: Weaver95: rzrwiresunrise: I'm skeptical. I'm not saying this doesn't happen at colleges, I'm just saying these examples seem a little far-fetched.

no, its been something of a theme lately.  stories of rapes and rape culture have been hinted at for years about these places.  its only just recently that details have started to leak out.  I can only assume that someone forgot to pay their yearly bribe money to keep things quiet and that's why we're getting the nasty details.

Yeah, and the cousin of a friend that lived next door to my accountant told me the house down the street is haunted. Like I said, I'm not saying these things don't happen, but TFA gives little in the way of corroboration. The Vice.com article was much more convincing (thanks, FuryPilot).

Oh, and fark that term "rape culture."


I don't know he way she describes that it doesn't sound like she was very clear in alleging rape at all. It sounds more like the counselor could easily take that for her confessing to letting her boyfriend talk her into doing things. Unless I missed something there she needs to kick her self in the ass for not reporting it or doing anything about it before she starts blaming the school.
 
2014-03-12 07:01:47 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Fury Pilot: Found at least one on the first page :  http://www.vice.com/read/sexual-abuse-has-become-a-huge-problem-for-a m ericas-bible-colleges


Vice.com.  Interesting.  Google might be taking you to specific, um, special interest, sites based on your search history.  I just repeated the search and see nothing but general admissions information and such in either "News" or "Web" tabs.  Anyway.... this post again says nothing about a police report or a crime.  It is a third hand account that an accusation was made, no one was expelled (or at least the article doesn't say so), and none of it is verified by the college or anyone else.


Oh FFS, vice.com is the online site of Vice magazine, a magazine on news, culture and art.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_(magazine)
 
2014-03-12 07:03:24 AM  
Goddamit! NO POPCORN?!?!

/Seriously, good thread for popcorn...
 
2014-03-12 07:06:58 AM  

timharrod: Not so fast, Sparky. You also owe her dad 50 shekels.

/lest you think God is soft on rapists


Just so we're all clear on the penalty, that's about $250 in silver.
 
2014-03-12 07:14:54 AM  

MagicMissile: Ok ... If all this is true then just know that this isn't a Christian anything .... Christianity teaches that everything described in this story from the brutal assaults, rapes, expelling the victims , calling them " dirty vessels " and so on are all very evil things to do . Christianity teaches love, compassion, forgiveness, and that we are all imperfect but that God has love for all of us. We need only admit that we are sinners and reject our sins as much as we can , and accept Jesus Christ as our savior.

What is described in this story, if it's true... It is an evil organization that is falsely calling itself Christian and getting away with it. There should be an investigation , arrests made and people jailed over this . That college should be shut down as well . It should be a felony to falsely claim you represent a religion for personal gain and or to hijack a religion by using its name and then committing your crimes.


Why, I'd wager not a single true Scotsman attends that school!
 
2014-03-12 07:22:20 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Fury Pilot: Found at least one on the first page :  http://www.vice.com/read/sexual-abuse-has-become-a-huge-problem-for-a m ericas-bible-colleges


Vice.com.  Interesting.  Google might be taking you to specific, um, special interest, sites based on your search history.  I just repeated the search and see nothing but general admissions information and such in either "News" or "Web" tabs.  Anyway.... this post again says nothing about a police report or a crime.  It is a third hand account that an accusation was made, no one was expelled (or at least the article doesn't say so), and none of it is verified by the college or anyone else.


Also,
i1024.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-12 07:22:50 AM  

fusillade762: Can we send these people to a country where they'll fit in better? Like Saudi Arabia?


a culture that teaches women who have sex are like used toothbrushes and half-eaten candybars

You can send all those used toothbrushes and half-eaten candybars my way. I'll take them.



"Look at that. A half eaten chocolate bar. It's hardly been touched. Do you want some?"
s10.postimg.org

/Obscure?
 
2014-03-12 07:31:46 AM  
The article is way too light an verifiable facts for me.

and by that I mean, none at all.
 
2014-03-12 07:32:34 AM  

Lord Farkwad: fusillade762: Can we send these people to a country where they'll fit in better? Like Saudi Arabia?


a culture that teaches women who have sex are like used toothbrushes and half-eaten candybars

You can send all those used toothbrushes and half-eaten candybars my way. I'll take them.


"Look at that. A half eaten chocolate bar. It's hardly been touched. Do you want some?"
[s10.postimg.org image 640x480]

/Obscure?


Bunky? How many times I gotta tell ya? The litter box, the litter box!
 
2014-03-12 07:34:39 AM  

log_jammin: The article is way too light an verifiable facts for me.

and by that I mean, none at all.


log_jammin: The article is way too light an verifiable facts for me.

and by that I mean, none at all.


Well, let's give the author SOME credit. There actually is a Pensacola Christian College.
 
2014-03-12 07:37:59 AM  

log_jammin: Lord Farkwad: fusillade762: Can we send these people to a country where they'll fit in better? Like Saudi Arabia?


a culture that teaches women who have sex are like used toothbrushes and half-eaten candybars

You can send all those used toothbrushes and half-eaten candybars my way. I'll take them.


"Look at that. A half eaten chocolate bar. It's hardly been touched. Do you want some?"
[s10.postimg.org image 640x480]

/Obscure?

Bunky? How many times I gotta tell ya? The litter box, the litter box!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FA4azb7tFg
 
2014-03-12 07:45:26 AM  
"a culture that teaches women who have sex are like used toothbrushes and half-eaten candybars"

imageshack.com
 
2014-03-12 07:46:50 AM  

untaken_name: Well, let's give the author SOME credit. There actually is a Pensacola Christian College.


I'm not taking away any credit from the author at all. I'm not saying they are liars or they are wrong. I'm just saying they didn't really give me anyway to easily verify any of the things they said.
 
2014-03-12 08:08:39 AM  

neongoats: Look, if you havn't figured out that "Pastor" is code for child abusing rape factory, then you don't actually ever read the news or well, participate in America.

These pastor factories are just churning out thousands of people just like this guy. They're just raping all over the place.


Rape rape here
rape rape there
rape rape everywhere

/rape is not funny, but this is fark
 
2014-03-12 08:08:59 AM  
I'm going to do a little clarification, just to throw my admittedly tiny $.02 against the intellectual heavyweights in this thread who are assuming this chick is lying because reasons.

Pensacola is an insular, fascinating old city-state on a beautiful stretch of coast. It's possible to live a very pleasant life here. It's also possible to run afoul of a streak of some of the worst social and psychological sickness I've ever encountered anywhere.

I was born here 35 years ago, and have livedin tons of places since. I've never seen anything quite like it. 99% of the people in this town are pleasant enough, if a bit placid. That 1% commits crimes that will give you nightmares to read about, let alone go through.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gunn_%28doctor%29

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/man-charged-in-fla-abortion-clinic-fire/ (2012)

http://www.inweekly.net/article.asp?artID=4718
"Panhandle top place in Florida for human trafficking "
"Saving young girls-- The biggest challenge he faces in Pensacola? 'Overcoming the opinion that they are criminals, not victims,' Dennis says."


Some reviews about PCC

http://www.studentsreview.com/FL/PCC_comments.html?page=1&type=&d_sc ho ol=Pensacola%20Christian%20College
"I dated someone that was a masked lier-pure evil.  He was manipulative and abusive but I had no one to go to or talk to becuase I would be thought guilty for something.  I was eventually raped by this person but I could not go to the deans or anyone becuase I would have been kicked out.  That is not Christian.  TO not help a fellow Christian in need is against Christ's teaching. "
"Attending Pensacola Christian College was bar none the most soul.damaging, faith robbing, and spiritually deterimental experience in my entire existence. I have been thus far mute on this issue and am taki.g.the opportunity to express myself.. All the information on control tactics, unfair gender practices, racial discrimation, outlandish, over the top gestapo agent behaviors is all true."
"As for being a Christian institution, I feel strongly that PCC is more cult-like than Christian. I say this because the administration was determined to control students and even faculty and staff instead of allowing God to work in your life and draw you closer to Him. Just like the Pharisees, it was easy to lose sight of God for all the blasted rules, and I know several former PCC students who lost faith in God as a result. I have not lost faith in God (I am a deeply committed Christian and active member of my church, which is Southern Baptist), but I must say that God used this year of my life to teach me what following God does not look like, as well as the dangers of legalism."


I have a soft spot in my heart for my hometown, but there's also no doubt in my mind the what this girl claims, actually happened. Pensacola has a streak of rapes, gay-bashing, religious threats, police brutality, even awful stories of mutilation and twisted child abuse that I won't link to here. My best friend was raped here, and I was assaulted.

It saddens me that such a beautiful and pleasurable part of the country, with such an amazing history and friendly folks, can have this dark of a mean streak running through it. I live here now, and sometimes you can almost feel the unhappy miasma in certain parts of town, and I don't mean the ghetto. I mean the goddamn schools and churches.

I talk with my friends all the time about this, and they sense it too. I'm glad to have one more year here, but I won't be back.
 
2014-03-12 08:11:48 AM  
a) they should not be accredited schools
b) I hope it happens to that guys daughter
 
2014-03-12 08:13:56 AM  
Some have even gone so far as to claim the administrations at colleges like PCC have the right to be "suspicious" of victims because "rules at that school make it nearly impossible [for a victim] to even get into a situation like this."

 Idiocracy at it's finest.  What if we treated homicide the same way?  Assault and battery is illegal, our laws make it nearly impossible for someone to be into a situation to be assaulted, so if you shoot the attacker in self defense, it's obviously murder because you were asking for it.... or something.

There's a single mention of one of the two main characters' rapes being reported to the police (the only other time police is mentioned is students not wanting to explain what happened to them even to the police).  Alight, can we stop having campus police get anywhere near handling rapes - unless of course like someone's screaming and they can actively stop it in progress - and require a department whose budget isn't tied to the PR success of the university to handle this shiat; and can we start charging university officials with obstruction for tossing out victims and protecting potential defendants?  I mean, if these bastards want to claim to be Christians, FFS WWJD... he wouldn't hide behind lawyers and school officials, he'd face the trial like a man and point out that hearsay is hearsay, conjecture conjecture, and that the facts are the facts.  Oh and he actually did stop a crowd from stoning a dirty toothbrush to death... also, he wouldn't rape people.
 
2014-03-12 08:19:07 AM  
Uncool story - My sister went to Duke and knew 2 of the girls who were raped by important players on the basketball team during a winning season. After filing reports with campus security, both were asked to leave by administration officials due to "ongoing possibility of mental issues" and campus security refused to do anything with the reports even after repeated follow-ups by their families about the status of the investigations. After a month, the families tried going to the police, not realizing that the city police were not already notified, but the school refused to acknowledge that they had any knowledge of the allegations and the local police were hesitant to investigate a "school matter." In both cases, the victims families decided that pursuing the players, who were well known to the sports media at the time, would make the problem worse for their kids because of the publicity and simply moved the girls to another school.

These things happen at universities, no matter how closely they may or may not identify with a religious institution. There have been a lot of evidence that things are changing, but schools at those levels are driven by money, and sometimes they go out of their way to hide anything that may mess with their reputations.
 
2014-03-12 08:31:49 AM  
I work in higher ed.   I was annoyed at the mandatory Title IX training I and everyone else on campus had to go through, as well as all the explicit rules about handling sexual abuse involving students that allow no leeway or grey areas in handling issues other than full bore "everything must be reported to everyone no matter what".

Then I see crap like this and I realize that a good fraction of the population is too stupid and/or evil to handle it any other way.
 
2014-03-12 08:36:36 AM  

Weaver95: cozy little rape boxes


Nirvana cover band name?

MagicMissile: It is an evil organization that is falsely calling itself Christian and getting away with it.


There sure do seem to be an awful lot of those around... To the point where they seem to be outnumbering the "real" Christians... It's really sad, because as much as I dislike religion, I have to admit that a world in which everyone followed the actual teachings of Jesus would be a pretty farking great one...
 
2014-03-12 08:41:06 AM  

Captain James T. Smirk: I don't know what is worse: the details of the article, or the fact that I am not surprised. Every day I log onto Fark, and every day I read at least a dozen stories about religious organizations, be they churches, universities, charities, or political action groups, that disgust me so much that I almost feel physically ill.


A few bad apples etc, etc...
 
2014-03-12 08:45:11 AM  

sallys: a) they should not be accredited schools
b) I hope it happens to that guys daughter



I deduct that you are wishing rape on a (hypothetical) girl that has nothing to do with the action of her father?!?!  Newsflash you are a sick person...
 
2014-03-12 08:46:13 AM  
Not to go all ITG, but if my daughter shows up all beat to hell, claiming rape, and I can't get help from the school or law enforcement, I believe I'd go on a farking rampage.
 
2014-03-12 08:47:38 AM  

nmrsnr: FTFA: "One night in May, however, she was grabbed, dragged into a construction area, beaten, restrained with bungee cord and duct tape, and then raped. As he was leaving her there, she recognized him as her boyfriend. A campus security guard discovered her, still restrained with the cord and tape, and took her to the campus clinic to file a report. In the next 24 hours, she went to the hospital, reported her attack to the police, and stayed the night with her parents. However, when she arrived back on campus with a black eye and a broken arm, her family was confronted by the dean of women and told that Beth was being expelled "because she is a fornicator."

PCC took no action against Beth's boyfriend. He graduated with honors and is now a pastor."

Okay, there has to be something missing from this story. I know that most women don't report rape, but here it says she filed a report. Even if she failed to go through with pressing charges, kidnapping and false imprisonment (and potentially attempted murder for leaving her there bound) are all crimes for which the victim doesn't have to press charges, the state can. So even if the school didn't take action, the guy should have been arrested and had a trial. The article makes no mention of this one way or the other. If he had a trial and was acquitted, then the college shouldn't have taken any action against him, because in the eyes of the law he is innocent. If he was never brought to trial despite the evidence, there is more screwed up here than a Christian college's honor code.


Not that it makes a lick of difference to the subhuman scum who run places like that, and which I would refuse to call schools, but colleges & universities rules about criminal charges usually read more like a requirement to wait until the criminal trial is dismissed or completed, THEN the college judicial system has a go at the student.  Whether or not they are acquitted or the charges dismissed has no bearing at my school.  You can be found guilty of a crime but "not in violation" of whatever college rule you broke, and vice-versa.  After all, the rules are not exactly the same as the local municipality's and state's criminal code, so you may easily have broken one but not the other.

I agree that it's awfully suspicious that there's no evidence of criminal trouble for the first assailant from the story.  Leaves us with nothing but conjecture.  Did he have powerful friends or family to squash the charges?  Did the "institution" help?  Is there more to her story we didn't hear, or is it the standard "shamed into recanting" BS?

The only reason I'm not in prison today is I haven't had the chance to meet or learn the address of any man I know to have behaved in this way, because I sincerely doubt I'd be able to restrain myself from murder if I had to look at them in person.
 
2014-03-12 08:48:24 AM  
Stories like this are why I no longer have any hope for humanity.
 
2014-03-12 08:56:11 AM  

doglover: timharrod: doglover: You're supposed to marry the man who rapes you.

It's right there in the Bible.

Not so fast, Sparky. You also owe her dad 50 shekels.

/lest you think God is soft on rapists

To be fair, have you priced shekels lately? One shekel

$125,000 is a lot of money.



As a side note: 50 shekels was on average 14 years of income for a healthy man.  Inflation and what not has brought that down a bit.  But it's interesting to think that it's where our modern child support laws were derived from.   There was also symbolism in the number, because it was the standard amount you could sell yourself into indentured servitude for.  (Slavery back then was a much different thing than slavery in american history)

Also note in the passage it states that the man may never divorce the woman he raped.  It was however common practice for the woman to divorce the man and buy a servant to help raise the kids.
 
2014-03-12 08:57:17 AM  
There is someone that priest should meet
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"You can scream now"
 
2014-03-12 09:07:13 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-12 09:09:54 AM  
The 'date rape' phenomena is not something new. Only recently have cracks finally appeared in the  cover ups that has been in place for by colleges.  The routine suppression intimidation of victims from making accusatiosn and causing bad publicity has been the standard behavior of almost every college that has ever existed.
 
2014-03-12 09:15:40 AM  
Does Pensacola have a DA?  Who is not a xian?
 
2014-03-12 09:23:53 AM  

MagicMissile: Ok ... If all this is true then just know that this isn't a Christian anything .... Christianity teaches that everything described in this story from the brutal assaults, rapes, expelling the victims , calling them " dirty vessels " and so on are all very evil things to do . Christianity teaches love, compassion, forgiveness, and that we are all imperfect but that God has love for all of us. We need only admit that we are sinners and reject our sins as much as we can , and accept Jesus Christ as our savior.

What is described in this story, if it's true... It is an evil organization that is falsely calling itself Christian and getting away with it. There should be an investigation , arrests made and people jailed over this . That college should be shut down as well . It should be a felony to falsely claim you represent a religion for personal gain and or to hijack a religion by using its name and then committing your crimes.


YEAH!

I bet they're even truly Scottish either!
 
2014-03-12 09:24:02 AM  

MagicMissile: Weaver95: AirForceVet: Sounds like a great reason not to send your kids to THAT school.

Cue "You're gonna get raped" meme.

as bad as this is, were it only confined to the elite few christians all locked in the same campus and raping one another in between classes, that would be bad enough.  ok, horrific enough really.  But the crazy christian elite who run these schools train to bring their toxic culture out of their cozy little rape boxes and inflict those ideals on the rest of the country.  that's the end goal - a 'christian nation'.  in the interim, they'll settle for taking over local and state governments and putting their twisted ideology into practice.  these people scare me.  not just because they see women as disposable sex objects but because they honestly believe that they can do no wrong.  they see themselves as the chosen of their lord god almighty - by definition they CANNOT be in the wrong.  that sort of world view is very very dangerous.

It's not Christians doing these things ... It's sick and evil ..people..... If you can call them that..... Using Christianity as a smoke screen to commit their crimes . Unfortunately there are a lot of non religious evil twisted farkers out there that see Christianity and other religious venues as a place to hide and find victims. Laws need to be put in place to better detect and track these types of people, and like I mentioned it should become a felony with very strict penalties for abusing religious names and venues in this manner including incarceration and deportation as well as permanent exile.


8/10 for the first, but this one is less convincing. 3/10.

But surely, no true Scotsman would do something like defending an organization that punishes rape victims.
 
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