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2014-03-11 07:27:33 PM  
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srirament.com

Lots.
 
2014-03-11 07:36:23 PM  
Yay middlemen!
 
2014-03-11 07:37:06 PM  
"Tesla's business model crushes competition."

Like there's so damn much competition in the 6-Figure Exploding Car market.  And anyway, I thought Republicans liked free market competition.   Unless, I guess, a lobbing group pays them not to.
 
2014-03-11 07:37:23 PM  
It's not bad enough that he already killed Fisker, now he wants to go after Tesla, too? When will this madness end?

/what's the big deal about requiring dealerships?
//I don't get why they need to, but I also don't get why it matters, let Musk set up one of his friends as an owner.
 
2014-03-11 07:38:04 PM  
t.qkme.me
 
2014-03-11 07:41:15 PM  

alywa: Yay middlemen!


They introduced the law for a reason. Monopolies and/or cartels suck for the consumer.
 
2014-03-11 07:42:22 PM  

spawn73: alywa: Yay middlemen!

They introduced the law for a reason. Monopolies and/or cartels suck for the consumer.


try telling that to comcast sometime, see how it works out for ya.
 
2014-03-11 07:43:35 PM  
Free markets! Competition! Other lies that idiots slurp up!
 
2014-03-11 07:45:24 PM  

spawn73: alywa: Yay middlemen!

They introduced the law for a reason. Monopolies and/or cartels suck for the consumer.


cartels... good one.

Anyway, I don't have to go to a dealer to buy almost anything else, why should cars require special protection?
 
2014-03-11 07:49:43 PM  
I'm surprised this isn't protected as interstate commerce. Is there a special exemption in the constitution for car dealers?

/Feds should have taken the opportunity of the Detroit bankruptcy to blow up this system
 
2014-03-11 07:50:28 PM  

haemaker: spawn73: alywa: Yay middlemen!

They introduced the law for a reason. Monopolies and/or cartels suck for the consumer.

cartels... good one.

Anyway, I don't have to go to a dealer to buy almost anything else, why should cars require special protection?


Because reasons*.

*specifically, the generous but totally unrelated contributions of the New Jersey Coalition of Automotive Retailers
 
2014-03-11 07:51:19 PM  

czetie: /Feds should have taken the opportunity of the Detroit bankruptcy to blow up this system


And by "Detroit" I mean the car makers metaphorically, not the city literally.

And come to think of it, that's not the kind of clarification one ought to need to be making in a 21st century first world country. I may have to go and drink heavily now.
 
2014-03-11 07:51:20 PM  

haemaker: spawn73: alywa: Yay middlemen!

They introduced the law for a reason. Monopolies and/or cartels suck for the consumer.

cartels... good one.

Anyway, I don't have to go to a dealer to buy almost anything else, why should cars require special protection?


NHTSA? Not sure, might have something to do with having a place that will perform repairs due to mandatory safety recalls if [insert Fight Club equation]
 
2014-03-11 07:53:05 PM  

StopLurkListen: haemaker: spawn73: alywa: Yay middlemen!

They introduced the law for a reason. Monopolies and/or cartels suck for the consumer.

cartels... good one.

Anyway, I don't have to go to a dealer to buy almost anything else, why should cars require special protection?

NHTSA? Not sure, might have something to do with having a place that will perform repairs due to mandatory safety recalls if [insert Fight Club equation]


NHTSA is Federal, this is a state law.
 
2014-03-11 07:57:17 PM  
GOP on Health Care: "Free Markets! " "derp!"

On direct selling autos to consumers: "Who will protect the poor car salesmen from the free market? "


/wtf, GOP
 
2014-03-11 07:59:49 PM  

czetie: I'm surprised this isn't protected as interstate commerce. Is there a special exemption in the constitution for car dealers?


There's a difference between saying "in NJ, you can't sell your product using method X" and "if you sell your product using method X, you're not permitted to operate in New Jersey." The former is fine, the latter is a violation of the ICC.
 
2014-03-11 08:02:40 PM  
Unavailable for comment...

teslatheband.com
 
2014-03-11 08:06:58 PM  
He looks like he ate all the reasons.

/nah...you can't eat dollars.
 
2014-03-11 08:10:58 PM  
Signs. signs, everywhere there are signs, blocking out the scenery, breaking my mind. Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?
 
2014-03-11 08:16:38 PM  

haemaker: spawn73: alywa: Yay middlemen!

They introduced the law for a reason. Monopolies and/or cartels suck for the consumer.

cartels... good one.

Anyway, I don't have to go to a dealer to buy almost anything else, why should cars require special protection?


Because the automobile dealers don't want to have to compete with anyone, same exact reason bootstrappy Texas has a nearly identical law.

Wait, you meant that question as "what is the vital public interest served by the existence of this rather onerous regulation on a specific industry which is run by about a half-dozen extremely wealthy Gentlemen Of Passaic"?
 
2014-03-11 08:23:40 PM  

spawn73: alywa: Yay middlemen!

They introduced the law for a reason. Monopolies and/or cartels suck for the consumer.


When you can't go see Cal anymore you have to deal with a different breed of scum

/poor spot
 
2014-03-11 08:26:15 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: "Tesla's business model crushes competition."

Like there's so damn much competition in the 6-Figure Exploding Car market.  And anyway, I thought Republicans liked free market competition.   Unless, I guess, a lobbing group pays them not to.


you are thinking of us Libertarians. Republicans HATE free market.
/quite a few people who vote Republican are in fact libertarians, they just don't know it. Republican politicians know this and fool them with libertarian sound bites.
 
2014-03-11 08:28:07 PM  
If NJ is anything like most other places I've lived, there'd be more competition in the market if you -could- buy from the automaker directly, as all of the dealerships for every make out there are owned by the same person.

Eg. Jones Honda, Jones Ford, Jones Hyundi, Jones Chrysler/Jeep, Jones GM/Chevy/Cadillac....
 
2014-03-11 08:29:26 PM  
If I recall correctly, New Jersey won't even allow you to pump your own gas.  Why would they allow you to pump your own wallet when it comes time to buy a car?
 
2014-03-11 08:32:54 PM  

mr lawson: Benevolent Misanthrope: "Tesla's business model crushes competition."

Like there's so damn much competition in the 6-Figure Exploding Car market.  And anyway, I thought Republicans liked free market competition.   Unless, I guess, a lobbing group pays them not to.

you are thinking of us Libertarians. Republicans HATE free market.
/quite a few people who vote Republican are in fact libertarians, they just don't know it. Republican politicians know this and fool them with libertarian sound bites.


Thanks for today's stupidest/unintentionally funniest comment on FARK today.
 
2014-03-11 08:38:21 PM  

buzzcut73: If NJ is anything like most other places I've lived, there'd be more competition in the market if you -could- buy from the automaker directly, as all of the dealerships for every make out there are owned by the same person.

Eg. Jones Honda, Jones Ford, Jones Hyundi, Jones Chrysler/Jeep, Jones GM/Chevy/Cadillac....


Almost every major metro area is like this.  You have one person/family/group who operates a dealership for almost every auto brand out there.  And they're filthy rich.

Which is why laws like this get passed.  Even in small towns, an auto dealership brings in a lot of tax revenue, and the owner has a lot of political clout.
 
2014-03-11 08:38:37 PM  

haemaker: Anyway, I don't have to go to a dealer to buy almost anything else, why should cars require special protection?


To be fair, you really do. You probably buy your food at a grocery store, which is essentially a food dealership. You don't buy your Spam directly from Hormel or your pineapples straight from Dole. (You can, however, buy your Sriracha directly from Huy Fong -- and it's cheaper!)

When you buy electronics, you probably bought your iDevice from an iStore -- essentially a dealership. You might buy your Walkman from Newegg, but Sony doesn't vend straight to consumers, I think.

Hell, if you want to go to a concert you're probably going to have to go through Ticket Master. That's essentially a dealership (and a horrible one at that).

Point being, we use middlemen all the gorram time.

I'm not advocating Christie's position by any means, I'm just saying that it's a normal way of life.
 
2014-03-11 08:39:16 PM  
FTFA "Tesla's business model crushes competition."

So the dude admits they can't compete.  Thus its the perfect time to blow up the existing inefficient auto sales market in NJ (and elsewhere).
 
2014-03-11 08:43:23 PM  

TwistedIvory: To be fair, you really do.


Cars are treated special.  Grocery and electronics stores aren't.

TwistedIvory: Sony doesn't vend straight to consumers


Yes it does.
 
2014-03-11 08:45:41 PM  

czetie: czetie: /Feds should have taken the opportunity of the Detroit bankruptcy to blow up this system

And by "Detroit" I mean the car makers metaphorically, not the city literally.

And come to think of it, that's not the kind of clarification one ought to need to be making in a 21st century first world country. I may have to go and drink heavily now.


Why not both?
 
2014-03-11 08:46:55 PM  
Is there anything stopping Musk from starting Tesla Auto Sales Inc as a separate corporation and signing them up as the exclusive retailer for Tesla Motors?
 
2014-03-11 08:47:39 PM  
Why is this a surprise to everyone? Signs, signs, everywhere were signs!
 
2014-03-11 08:48:59 PM  

Dinjiin: buzzcut73: If NJ is anything like most other places I've lived, there'd be more competition in the market if you -could- buy from the automaker directly, as all of the dealerships for every make out there are owned by the same person.

Eg. Jones Honda, Jones Ford, Jones Hyundi, Jones Chrysler/Jeep, Jones GM/Chevy/Cadillac....

Almost every major metro area is like this.  You have one person/family/group who operates a dealership for almost every auto brand out there.  And they're filthy rich.

Which is why laws like this get passed.  Even in small towns, an auto dealership brings in a lot of tax revenue, and the owner has a lot of political clout.


When that political clout isn't enough to keep them out of court, they can simply purchase some judicial clout.
 
2014-03-11 08:49:01 PM  

TwistedIvory: haemaker: Anyway, I don't have to go to a dealer to buy almost anything else, why should cars require special protection?

To be fair, you really do. You probably buy your food at a grocery store, which is essentially a food dealership. You don't buy your Spam directly from Hormel or your pineapples straight from Dole. (You can, however, buy your Sriracha directly from Huy Fong -- and it's cheaper!)

When you buy electronics, you probably bought your iDevice from an iStore -- essentially a dealership. You might buy your Walkman from Newegg, but Sony doesn't vend straight to consumers, I think.

Hell, if you want to go to a concert you're probably going to have to go through Ticket Master. That's essentially a dealership (and a horrible one at that).

Point being, we use middlemen all the gorram time.

I'm not advocating Christie's position by any means, I'm just saying that it's a normal way of life.


um. There being middlemen wasn't the point. The point is about laws forbidding direct sales.
 
2014-03-11 08:49:59 PM  
This is neither surprising nor uncommon. Every state has laws and/or regulations to protect and subsidize the current car dealership model. In some states, even existing carmakers can't cut off dealerships. NADA is a very powerful lobby at the state level.
 
2014-03-11 08:52:53 PM  

TwistedIvory: haemaker: Anyway, I don't have to go to a dealer to buy almost anything else, why should cars require special protection?

To be fair, you really do. You probably buy your food at a grocery store, which is essentially a food dealership. You don't buy your Spam directly from Hormel or your pineapples straight from Dole. (You can, however, buy your Sriracha directly from Huy Fong -- and it's cheaper!)

When you buy electronics, you probably bought your iDevice from an iStore -- essentially a dealership. You might buy your Walkman from Newegg, but Sony doesn't vend straight to consumers, I think.

Hell, if you want to go to a concert you're probably going to have to go through Ticket Master. That's essentially a dealership (and a horrible one at that).

Point being, we use middlemen all the gorram time.

I'm not advocating Christie's position by any means, I'm just saying that it's a normal way of life.


The difference being there are no laws that say you have to buy Spam from a supermarket. You can buy Spam from a convenience store and probably many other places. Why should cars be any different?
 
2014-03-11 08:54:37 PM  

czetie: And by "Detroit" I mean the car makers metaphorically, not the city literally.


Are any cars actually made in Detroit?

I thought that American cars were made in Mexico these days.
 
2014-03-11 08:59:15 PM  
I'd just like to be able to car shop on Sunday.
And buy beer by the six pack.

/lives in PA.
 
2014-03-11 08:59:19 PM  
There they go again. Liberals like electric cars, so Christie will harass their freedom like he did with that goddamned bridgeghazigate thing.
 
2014-03-11 09:05:53 PM  

TwistedIvory: To be fair, you really do. You probably buy your food at a grocery store, which is essentially a food dealership. You don't buy your Spam directly from Hormel or your pineapples straight from Dole.


Food is something of a special case.  You're making a lot of low quantity purchases of low cost [semi-]perishable items.  It makes sense to purchase them in a consolidated marketplace.

And there are plenty of exceptions.  Many farmers markets rent stalls to people who grow the produce themselves.  Farmers also like to setup roadside stands.  Hostess operated their own bakery outlets (now owned by Franz).  Our local dairy runs their own store which sells boutique items not normally sold in supermarkets.  And so on, if you're willing to drive around.
 
2014-03-11 09:21:11 PM  

TwistedIvory: haemaker: Anyway, I don't have to go to a dealer to buy almost anything else, why should cars require special protection?

To be fair, you really do. You probably buy your food at a grocery store, which is essentially a food dealership. You don't buy your Spam directly from Hormel or your pineapples straight from Dole. (You can, however, buy your Sriracha directly from Huy Fong -- and it's cheaper!)

When you buy electronics, you probably bought your iDevice from an iStore -- essentially a dealership. You might buy your Walkman from Newegg, but Sony doesn't vend straight to consumers, I think.

Hell, if you want to go to a concert you're probably going to have to go through Ticket Master. That's essentially a dealership (and a horrible one at that).

Point being, we use middlemen all the gorram time.

I'm not advocating Christie's position by any means, I'm just saying that it's a normal way of life.


But if I wanted to buy straight from Sony or Apple I can (see Apple stores as an example)
 
2014-03-11 09:25:47 PM  

czetie: czetie: /Feds should have taken the opportunity of the Detroit bankruptcy to blow up this system

And by "Detroit" I mean the car makers metaphorically, not the city literally.


The major automakers would have loved that.  If you could kill the dealer system at the OEM level, it would have been done years ago.  State-level legislators love to keep dealers in place.  They're a market inefficiency that benefits the local area with middle-class sales and service jobs, at a cost to the consumer.  I'm not defending the dealer concept by any means (I think it would be much better for customers and OEMs to sell direct to customers), but that's the way it is.

flondrix: Are any cars actually made in Detroit?

I thought that American cars were made in Mexico these days.


I hope you're being sarcastic.
 
2014-03-11 09:30:35 PM  
Don't burn your bridges...
 
2014-03-11 09:41:24 PM  

alywa: Yay middlemen!


Its amazing to me this is somehow his fault when there in ingrained committees in that state to control everything.

I got yelled at once for trying to pump my own gas, they acted like it took a higher power to fill my car up.
 
2014-03-11 10:06:28 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: flondrix: Are any cars actually made in Detroit?

I thought that American cars were made in Mexico these days.

I hope you're being sarcastic.


Only slightly.  I thought that even before the American auto manufacturers began outsourcing the work, much of it was distributed around other towns in Michigan, rather than Detroit itself.  Since all the news stories about Detroit make it sound like there is zero tax base anymore, is there any actual auto manufacturing taking place in the city of Detroit?
 
2014-03-11 10:37:49 PM  
Damn.  Those Teslas must be shiat hot if all the other manufacturers need to be protected from them like this.
 
2014-03-11 10:41:59 PM  
""since Tesla first began operating in New Jersey one year ago, it was made clear that the company would need to "engage" the Legislature on a bill to establish their new direct-sales operations under New Jersey law."

Elon, Christie and his buddies don't want to have to ask you to bribe engage the legislature twice.
 
2014-03-11 10:47:06 PM  

Laobaojun: Damn.  Those Teslas must be shiat hot if all the other manufacturers need to be protected from them like this.




Dealerships need protection, not manufacturers.

Saturn used to let you pick up your car at the factory. Still had to pay the delivery fees, dealer prep, and misc fees.
 
2014-03-11 10:49:37 PM  

Laobaojun: Damn.  Those Teslas must be shiat hot if all the other manufacturers need to be protected from them like this.


You gotta wonder where this is coming from.

I mean, sure the dealerships lose out on a few sales, but we're talking about a single model of a car that sells at around the $100k price point, this isn't a mass market car. We're talking about 20,000 cars nationwide a year at the moment. The Ford F-150 alone sold over 600,000 vehicles last year.

Not to get all tinfoil-hatty but the cynic in me suspects that although the dealerships would like to keep the status quo the real pressure is coming from the major automakers who want to kill Tesla before they get their rapid-charge stations installed all over the country and vehicle costs down a little.
 
2014-03-11 11:00:40 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Is there anything stopping Musk from starting Tesla Auto Sales Inc as a separate corporation and signing them up as the exclusive retailer for Tesla Motors?


The dealerships have to be franchises.  I'm sure he can find a few friends to hold front companies, though.  That or hold the franchisees by the throat like fast food companies do in order to preserve the brand.
 
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