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2014-03-11 04:33:52 PM  
9 votes:
Waco didn't go Waco because of Waco. Waco went Waco because of Reno.
jbc [TotalFark]
2014-03-11 04:41:54 PM  
7 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Waco didn't go Waco because of Waco. Waco went Waco because of Reno.


Why am I not surprised you'd side with criminals and kooks over the United States?
2014-03-11 05:03:09 PM  
3 votes:

jbc: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Waco didn't go Waco because of Waco. Waco went Waco because of Reno.

Why am I not surprised you'd side with criminals and kooks over the United States?


Why are those the only two options? You can think Koresh was a nutjob who deserved a couple to the back of the head but also realize that LE could have handled it much differently and completely avoided a standoff. Same overzealous bullshiat that led to the MOVE bombing.
2014-03-11 04:51:58 PM  
3 votes:
Sounds more akin to Rajneeshpuram than Waco, but the whole Rajneeshpuram thing didn't end well for anyone.
2014-03-11 07:33:04 PM  
2 votes:

Fano: lenfromak: mr_fulano: vudukungfu: Dafarqs a pandit?

I was wondering too, and the Google machine led me to the Wiki fount of all knowledge:

"A  pandit or  pundit (paṇḍita) is a scholar and a teacher, particularly one skilled in the Sanskrit language, who has mastered the four is derived from it but has been used to broadly refer to any of the following:
In the original usage of the word, "Pandit", synonymous to "Purohits", refers to a
The designation may also appear as the abbreviation "Pt." or "Pnt."

Robed guru type Hindu guy - aren't they supposed to be all peace-loving and shiat?

I just hate when an article like this uses local jargon withno attempt to explain it.

Someone should pandy them.


The true Panduit preaches the gospel of cable management
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Truly,
2014-03-11 06:43:36 PM  
2 votes:

Isitoveryet: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: jbc: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Waco didn't go Waco because of Waco. Waco went Waco because of Reno.

Why am I not surprised you'd side with criminals and kooks over the United States?

They (law enforcement) burned up children on purpose. I know. I taught tactics like this in the military. I saw it as it was happening. It was intentional. They waited for the windiest day they could, they punched holes into the building to build a chimney effect, and they pumped flaming tear gas into the building, to make sure they burned every person up. The U.S. were the criminals there.

I was under the impression the the Branch was given ample time to vacate.
come out with your hands up, let the women & children go.

I think the blame falls on those that put women & children on the line of fire.


It's worse than that. The Branch found out about the raid hours before it was scheduled to go off via a postal worker.

The Branch chose to hunker down, arm up and wait for intruders. To kill them.

They could have chosen many other options than to wait in ambush then murder law enforcement agents and in doing so aiding the killing of many innocent people.
2014-03-11 05:27:09 PM  
2 votes:
Watch "Waco: Rules of Engagement".
2014-03-11 05:25:18 PM  
2 votes:

jbc: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Waco didn't go Waco because of Waco. Waco went Waco because of Reno.

Why am I not surprised you'd side with criminals and kooks over the United States?


I thought the criminals and kooks were the united states.
2014-03-11 05:13:53 PM  
2 votes:

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: jbc: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Waco didn't go Waco because of Waco. Waco went Waco because of Reno.

Why am I not surprised you'd side with criminals and kooks over the United States?

They (law enforcement) burned up children on purpose. I know. I taught tactics like this in the military. I saw it as it was happening. It was intentional. They waited for the windiest day they could, they punched holes into the building to build a chimney effect, and they pumped flaming tear gas into the building, to make sure they burned every person up. The U.S. were the criminals there.


I was under the impression the the Branch was given ample time to vacate.
come out with your hands up, let the women & children go.

I think the blame falls on those that put women & children on the line of fire.
2014-03-11 05:08:33 PM  
2 votes:
People actually think the govt was justified in Waco? WTF
2014-03-11 05:07:17 PM  
2 votes:

StoPPeRmobile: vudukungfu: Dafarqs a pandit?

A kind of bear that drives an old Trans Am.


... but that's not important right now.
2014-03-11 05:06:18 PM  
2 votes:

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Why are those the only two options? You can think Koresh was a nutjob who deserved a couple to the back of the head but also realize that LE could have handled it much differently and completely avoided a standoff. Same overzealous bullshiat that led to the MOVE bombing.


We're on the Internet! Black or white, there is no Micheal Jackson.

Did the Branch Davidians over react? Yeah. Did Reno? Oh hell yeah. What the hell were tanks even doing in Waco, TX?
2014-03-12 11:39:58 AM  
1 votes:

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Mock26: Nowhere have I said that the branchies deserved to die or that they should not have had their day in court. But, sch!tt happens, and this just happens to be one situation where the sch!tt was a really big one. I am just saying that I do not blame the government. I do not think that all the leaders were sitting around and on day 51 they all said, "Hey, do you know what would look great on TV? If we went in guns blazing and murdered a bunch of innocent women and children! Yeah, that would be freaking AWESOME!" Anyone who believes that or that they decided to skip the courts and the entire judicial system and deliberately killed them is the king of idiots. The federal agents made a decision to end the siege and apprehend the criminals. Those criminals chose to fight. And they died. Sometimes that happens. And this is one of those situations. The branchies have only themselves to blame. They broke the law. They decided on armed resistance. They could have avoided all of this by giving up on Day 1. Blame them for deciding they were above the law. Do not blame the federal agents for doing their job.

[img.fark.net image 500x271]

/now do you get it?


or as Ron burgundy would say, "when in Rome?"
2014-03-11 11:36:04 PM  
1 votes:

Mock26: Sigh. You claimed that the federal agents did something very specific. When someone says, "Citation needed" then even someone with only a passing relationship to the educational system would know that it means to prove the specific claims that you made. Posting a link to some field manual does not constitute proof that supports your claim that those federal agents did specifically what you said they did. And I did not get biatchy. I got condescending, because you were too farking stupid to provide proof to back up your blatant lies.


Now it is your turn.

Frederick: Here is where you could educate me- what law were they convicted of breaking?

2014-03-11 11:11:12 PM  
1 votes:

Mock26: HeadLever: Mock26: As for those children, I put the blame on the branch davidians for putting them in harm's way.

"Harm's way" here was a two way street.  Without the government pushing the issue, there is no harm to the 'hostage'.

They were still breaking the law.  One of the key points of law enforcement is going out and catching the bad guys, not just standing around and watching them.


Yeah, who cares how many people you kill? That's my kind of justice!
2014-03-11 10:52:20 PM  
1 votes:

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: DrBenway: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: You can fark off, and learn how to ask a question respectfully, asshole.

You want to take a moment to fix your make-up and straighten your tiara, sweetie?

That's cute, but how is this:

[img.fark.net image 500x271]

a request for specific information? I repeat, fark that guy. Sweetie.


You made very specific claims, none of which were supported by that field manual text.  None.  Nowhere in that manual does it state that they intentionally burned children, or that they did in fact wait for the windiest day, or that they made holes in such and such location to create a chimney effect.  What is in a field manual does not prove intent in the field.  Even the stupidest of fark lawyers could have that field manual thrown out as evidence.
2014-03-11 10:42:30 PM  
1 votes:

Omahawg: so what's the weirdest town in Iowa then? The frog-hopping levitators of fairfield and vedic city? The hardcore capitalist religious communists of the amanas? the dutch reformed in pella who still won't let bars have lighted beer signs? the weird vibe of muscatine? The placid whitebread conformity of west des moines?

what's weird, in the end?


The conformists of WDM, for sure.  At least those other groups contribute in unique ways- Dutch letters, Amana beef...those suburbanites in WDM are creepy, aggressive, hive-minded drones; and drive like shiat.
2014-03-11 10:40:22 PM  
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I can believe that someone in Washington would order the compound taken. I can believe that mistakes were made in the taking of that compound. But I just can't believe that the ATF on the ground would have gone for that.


I dont know, I watched/listened to law enforcement burn Christopher Dorner alive very purposefully.  "We're going to uh.. going to go ahead with the plan.  Set up the burners."


"Today, hot smoke/tear gas canisters accidentally burned down the house Dorner was hiding in..."

Its SOP for barricaded suspects who have the ability and willingness to kill law enforcement.  There have been many examples throughout US history of these tactics being employed, although I dont have the energy to go looking for them all right now.  It happened a lot in the 70s in particular with the various militant groups like the BLA etc running amok.
2014-03-11 10:38:20 PM  
1 votes:

Mock26: If they really wanted to live then maybe they should not have broken the law.


If the Government wanted them to really live, it would seem like the best option would be to wait them out, or maybe capture Koresh a few months earlier, amiright?

I am sure that a good number of the folks trapped inside probably wanted to live and probably never broke the law.
2014-03-11 10:08:01 PM  
1 votes:

Mock26: HeadLever: Mock26: Oh really?  It was Reno who made them break the law?

Law breakers deserve to be in prison.  The decisions that were made led them (and many innocent people) to the morgue instead.

Sometimes lawbreakers die.  That is just the way it works out sometimes.  If they really wanted to live then maybe they should not have broken the law.


And those children they had in there with them? They deserved to burn to death too? Let's face it, the government is at least partially to blame for the deaths of those children. They had the cult completely surrounded. They could have just waited and starved them out, but no, they launched an assault and intentionally or intentionally lit the whole farking place on fire.
2014-03-11 09:50:13 PM  
1 votes:

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: demaL-demaL-yeH: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: They (law enforcement) burned up children on purpose. I know. I taught tactics like this in the military. I saw it as it was happening. It was intentional. They waited for the windiest day they could, they punched holes into the building to build a chimney effect, and they pumped flaming tear gas into the building, to make sure they burned every person up. The U.S. were the criminals there.

Bullshiat.

I know that you're a veteran (you mentioned it in a previous thread) so you know that of course, I never trained for this specific situation. But as I was a fully qualified combat engineer in an armored infantry division, and taught demolitions for thirteen years, this was an easily trained for operation that could be successfully practiced and prepared for in a matter of days. This is just an urban warfare problem, with a simple solution if the orders were given to end the operation.

Mock26:

[img.fark.net image 500x271]

Start with this: FM 5-34 Combat Engineer Field Manual, paying particular attention to chapters 1, 4, 5, 6, 8, and 10. When you've absorbed that, then I'll give you further reading.


Not very good at this whole proof thing, are you?

Here, let me rephrase it for you:  Prove that this is what the federal agents on the scene did.  Providing a link to a training manual is not proof that said material was used in the assault.  Care to try again?
2014-03-11 08:26:13 PM  
1 votes:

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: jbc: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Waco didn't go Waco because of Waco. Waco went Waco because of Reno.

Why am I not surprised you'd side with criminals and kooks over the United States?

They (law enforcement) burned up children on purpose. I know. I taught tactics like this in the military. I saw it as it was happening. It was intentional. They waited for the windiest day they could, they punched holes into the building to build a chimney effect, and they pumped flaming tear gas into the building, to make sure they burned every person up. The U.S. were the criminals there.


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2014-03-11 07:32:46 PM  
1 votes:

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: Well, that is just really weird. I apologize I thought you were getting at something haha.

No problem. I found this from a Wikipedia article:

"On February 27, 1993, the  Waco Tribune-Herald began publishing "The Sinful Messiah", a series of articles by Mark England and Darlene McCormick, who alleged that Koresh had physically abused children in the compound and had committed statutory rape by taking multiple underage brides."

I would bet that this was the article we printed, if they put it on the AP wire. I still have no idea why our editors would consider it suitable or even newsworthy for a regional daily newspaper that covered local news almost exclusively.


A community college newspaper in Phoenix wrote a story about a German diplomat and his lovely wife attending a function at the college. The local paper put the story in their paper. One of the national wire services picked the story up. One of the international wire services picked the story up. A German newspaper in the diplomat's home town ran the article. It turns out the diplomat's wife was home in Germany at the time of the function. Oops.
2014-03-11 07:19:20 PM  
1 votes:
www.pakpublishers.com
2014-03-11 07:02:43 PM  
1 votes:
Pop Quiz hotshot: You're the directOr of the ATF. You need to arrest a gunrunning pedophile who has a warehouse full of military grade hardware, including explosives, and a gang of goons willing to fight to the death for him. Do you: A) Nab him when he goes alone on his weekly trip to SSam's Club to pick up Funyuns and beer or B) Attempt to storm his fortified compound complete with an electrified moat filled with alligators, swinging blade traps, and a riddle giving sphinx?

Let's see what method Mallory Archer would choose.
2014-03-11 06:56:30 PM  
1 votes:

Isitoveryet: TheShavingofOccam123: It's worse than that. The Branch found out about the raid hours before it was scheduled to go off via a postal worker.

The Branch chose to hunker down, arm up and wait for intruders. To kill them.

They could have chosen many other options than to wait in ambush then murder law enforcement agents and in doing so aiding the killing of many innocent people.


weird isn't it? unless you want to use children as shields. which i believe he did.

Koresch was a delusional POS & it is my opinion that he was the main catalyst of the Waco incident and should be held accountable for every death that occurred on the property.


Is it possible to believe that Koresh was a worthless piece of shiat that intended to go out in a blaze of glory, and that the authorities screwed up and gave him exactly what he wanted?

The side of law is supposed to be the one that finds a better way, not to create completely fforeseeable siege that ended in death.
2014-03-11 06:56:16 PM  
1 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: Isitoveryet: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: jbc: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Waco didn't go Waco because of Waco. Waco went Waco because of Reno.

Why am I not surprised you'd side with criminals and kooks over the United States?

They (law enforcement) burned up children on purpose. I know. I taught tactics like this in the military. I saw it as it was happening. It was intentional. They waited for the windiest day they could, they punched holes into the building to build a chimney effect, and they pumped flaming tear gas into the building, to make sure they burned every person up. The U.S. were the criminals there.

I was under the impression the the Branch was given ample time to vacate.
come out with your hands up, let the women & children go.

I think the blame falls on those that put women & children on the line of fire.

It's worse than that. The Branch found out about the raid hours before it was scheduled to go off via a postal worker.

The Branch chose to hunker down, arm up and wait for intruders. To kill them.

They could have chosen many other options than to wait in ambush then murder law enforcement agents and in doing so aiding the killing of many innocent people.


Saturday, February 27, 1993, I was printing the Sunday edition of the Marin Independent Journal, a daily newspaper in Marin County, California. I had never heard of the Branch Davidians, nor had most people outside of Waco Texas. The front page story for our newspaper was a very defamatory in-depth article all about the Branch Davidians. The publication date was February 28, 1993, the very day that law enforcement first served a warrant on David Koresh.

My question is, why did a newspaper in Northern California feel the need to devote their front page banner story (a story that ran to over 4,000 words) to an obscure cult in Waco Texas, when there was nothing newsworthy about them up to that point?
2014-03-11 06:51:33 PM  
1 votes:
Anyone know anything about this "cultural exchange" program? What's the government's rationale for approving these visas for people being paid $200/month to meditate as alleged in the barely comprehensible article?
2014-03-11 06:49:47 PM  
1 votes:
They are paid $200 a month to chant and meditate, $150 of which is sent back to their families in India.

WTF visa program are they on? This is reported as fact with no explanation?

That's some fine reporting there, Lou. Who did you spoked to?
2014-03-11 06:28:01 PM  
1 votes:
Madison, who wanted to remain anonymous...

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2014-03-11 06:26:33 PM  
1 votes:

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Waco was an excellent example of the "don't start no shiat, won't be no shiat" policy. Protip: When law enforcement comes with a search warrant, and you decide to get all shooty about it, you don't really have any cause to gripe when they burn your farking house to the ground. The U.S. Government has nothing to apologize for. Fark those whackjob Davidians, and fark their apologists.


And fark those dead kids.
2014-03-11 06:18:06 PM  
1 votes:
UNAUTHORIZED FINGER:
They (law enforcement) burned up children on purpose. I know. I taught tactics like this in the military.


In the Core?
2014-03-11 06:17:17 PM  
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: They (law enforcement) burned up children on purpose. I know. I taught tactics like this in the military. I saw it as it was happening. It was intentional. They waited for the windiest day they could, they punched holes into the building to build a chimney effect, and they pumped flaming tear gas into the building, to make sure they burned every person up. The U.S. were the criminals there.

I can believe that someone in Washington would order the compound taken. I can believe that mistakes were made in the taking of that compound. But I just can't believe that the ATF on the ground would have gone for that.

so


Lots of stuff has been done to disrupt groups before. Look at the whole Second Wounded Knee incident-- which was a response to the initial condition of death squads trained by the CIA to assasinate and terrorize the political opponents of the tribal chief. The documentary "Incident at Oglala" has interviews with retired LEOs who talked about what happened and why.

When the footsoldiers in the alphabet agencies are given orders they carry them out. They are always convinced it is "necessary" by those pulling the strings.
2014-03-11 06:15:22 PM  
1 votes:
Waco was an excellent example of the "don't start no shiat, won't be no shiat" policy. Protip: When law enforcement comes with a search warrant, and you decide to get all shooty about it, you don't really have any cause to gripe when they burn your farking house to the ground. The U.S. Government has nothing to apologize for. Fark those whackjob Davidians, and fark their apologists.
2014-03-11 05:52:51 PM  
1 votes:
These guys are allowed to come here and live in a compound in-order to get paid $200 a month to chant?

Translation, these guys are brought here to do menial labor / manufactoring / assembly / agriculture of some sort and are paid a pittance.

And we expect these guys not to bust out of there at some point and move about the country?
2014-03-11 05:38:50 PM  
1 votes:
Nothing a mass deportation wouldn't fix.
2014-03-11 05:22:20 PM  
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: They (law enforcement) burned up children on purpose. I know. I taught tactics like this in the military. I saw it as it was happening. It was intentional. They waited for the windiest day they could, they punched holes into the building to build a chimney effect, and they pumped flaming tear gas into the building, to make sure they burned every person up. The U.S. were the criminals there.

I can believe that someone in Washington would order the compound taken. I can believe that mistakes were made in the taking of that compound. But I just can't believe that the ATF on the ground would have gone for that.


Federal agencies are far more concerned about looking weak on TV than how many civilians they burn.  No federal agency ever has shown evidence to the contrary.  If you have any examples of a federal agency acting like a human being, I'm all ears.
2014-03-11 05:20:59 PM  
1 votes:

vudukungfu: Dafarqs a pandit?


Thank you! Glad I'm not the only one who read the entire article hoping for an explanation or even a context clue as to WTF a pandit is.

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2014-03-11 05:20:22 PM  
1 votes:
Southeast Iowa

Well that's trouble my friends.  With a capital T, and that rhymes with P and that stands for pandit.

www.videoworthy.org
2014-03-11 05:14:28 PM  
1 votes:
VEDIC CITY, IOWA --
The Jefferson County Sheriff's Office was contacted...

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"Problem?"


/It took this long?  Really?
//Yeah, yeah, I know
2014-03-11 05:11:14 PM  
1 votes:

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: They (law enforcement) burned up children on purpose. I know. I taught tactics like this in the military. I saw it as it was happening. It was intentional. They waited for the windiest day they could, they punched holes into the building to build a chimney effect, and they pumped flaming tear gas into the building, to make sure they burned every person up. The U.S. were the criminals there.


I can believe that someone in Washington would order the compound taken. I can believe that mistakes were made in the taking of that compound. But I just can't believe that the ATF on the ground would have gone for that.

so

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2014-03-11 05:10:48 PM  
1 votes:
The Stealth Hippopotamus:  What the hell were tanks even doing in Waco, TX?

Sending a message to the American people, of what might happen if they ever got certain dangerous ideas in their heads.  You know, things like liberty, freedom, limited government, and other such things that are so very inconvenient to the rulers.
2014-03-11 05:09:16 PM  
1 votes:

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: jbc: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Waco didn't go Waco because of Waco. Waco went Waco because of Reno.

Why am I not surprised you'd side with criminals and kooks over the United States?

Why are those the only two options? You can think Koresh was a nutjob who deserved a couple to the back of the head but also realize that LE could have handled it much differently and completely avoided a standoff. Same overzealous bullshiat that led to the MOVE bombing.


THIS
2014-03-11 05:08:44 PM  
1 votes:

doubled99: Iowa pandits are the worst


I hate Iowa pandits!
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2014-03-11 05:07:01 PM  
1 votes:

jbc: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Waco didn't go Waco because of Waco. Waco went Waco because of Reno.

Why am I not surprised you'd side with criminals and kooks over the United States?


They (law enforcement) burned up children on purpose. I know. I taught tactics like this in the military. I saw it as it was happening. It was intentional. They waited for the windiest day they could, they punched holes into the building to build a chimney effect, and they pumped flaming tear gas into the building, to make sure they burned every person up. The U.S. were the criminals there.
2014-03-11 05:02:48 PM  
1 votes:

Fubegra: Bathia_Mapes: Sounds more akin to Rajneeshpuram than Waco, but the whole Rajneeshpuram thing didn't end well for anyone.

That's kind of what I was thinking too. That was an epic fustercluck if there ever was one.

A quick Google Maps search indicates that "Maharishi Vedic City, IA 52556" is a thing. In Iowa? WTF?


I know, right?

And Rajneeshpuram was indeed an epic clusterfark, right down to infecting several restaurant salad bars in The Dalles with salmonella in the hopes of preventing people from voting in an upcoming election.
2014-03-11 04:58:21 PM  
1 votes:
Another Tea Party rally?
2014-03-11 04:58:12 PM  
1 votes:

jbc: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Waco didn't go Waco because of Waco. Waco went Waco because of Reno.

Why am I not surprised you'd side with criminals and kooks over the United States?


The United States is run by criminals and kooks.
2014-03-11 04:57:33 PM  
1 votes:

vudukungfu: Dafarqs a pandit?


Hindu Teacher

/Had to look it up
//Modern Christian Cults hide in plain sight.
2014-03-11 04:55:25 PM  
1 votes:
Dafarqs a pandit?
 
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