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2014-03-11 06:31:17 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Waco was an excellent example of the "don't start no shiat, won't be no shiat" policy. Protip: When law enforcement comes with a search warrant, and you decide to get all shooty about it, you don't really have any cause to gripe when they burn your farking house to the ground. The U.S. Government has nothing to apologize for. Fark those whackjob Davidians, and fark their apologists.


Randy Weaver says FU!

truthalliance.net
 
2014-03-11 06:31:31 PM

Torchsong: [www.cultureblues.com image 490x276]

SCRIPTURE!!!


What a great movie!
 
2014-03-11 06:31:35 PM

FormlessOne: And fark those dead kids.


And whose fault is it they're dead? Hint: It's not the government's. It's the fault of the mouth breathers who thought, "Hey, I've got a great idea! Let's shoot at those guys serving that search warrant. I bet they'll just go away and forget about us." Don't start shiat you don't want other people to finish.
 
2014-03-11 06:31:52 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: jbc: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Waco didn't go Waco because of Waco. Waco went Waco because of Reno.

Why am I not surprised you'd side with criminals and kooks over the United States?

They (law enforcement) burned up children on purpose. I know. I taught tactics like this in the military. I saw it as it was happening. It was intentional. They waited for the windiest day they could, they punched holes into the building to build a chimney effect, and they pumped flaming tear gas into the building, to make sure they burned every person up. The U.S. were the criminals there.


As they say, napalm sticks to kids.
 
2014-03-11 06:33:13 PM
There are some weird sumsanabishes around Fairfield.
 
2014-03-11 06:36:40 PM

Gunny Highway: Lee451: /After that, they changed the FBI's Official Song to "We didn't start the fire..."

What was it before that?


The Roof is on Fire.
 
2014-03-11 06:43:00 PM
Rodgers whatever his name is, reminds me of Billy Clyde Tuggle.
 
2014-03-11 06:43:36 PM

Isitoveryet: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: jbc: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Waco didn't go Waco because of Waco. Waco went Waco because of Reno.

Why am I not surprised you'd side with criminals and kooks over the United States?

They (law enforcement) burned up children on purpose. I know. I taught tactics like this in the military. I saw it as it was happening. It was intentional. They waited for the windiest day they could, they punched holes into the building to build a chimney effect, and they pumped flaming tear gas into the building, to make sure they burned every person up. The U.S. were the criminals there.

I was under the impression the the Branch was given ample time to vacate.
come out with your hands up, let the women & children go.

I think the blame falls on those that put women & children on the line of fire.


It's worse than that. The Branch found out about the raid hours before it was scheduled to go off via a postal worker.

The Branch chose to hunker down, arm up and wait for intruders. To kill them.

They could have chosen many other options than to wait in ambush then murder law enforcement agents and in doing so aiding the killing of many innocent people.
 
2014-03-11 06:44:19 PM

JohnAnnArbor: My question: why didn't they wait them out? Cordon off and wait?


apparently, costs.

Janet Reno claims that the daily costs were to high to wait the Davidians out.

but honestly, we don't simply sit there and wait for crazy people to come to their senses, we take the law breakers into custody.
 
2014-03-11 06:45:20 PM

cig-mkr: FTA: KTVO spoked to several Fairfield residents to gauge their opinion on the pandits and the incident that took place.
Is spoked really a word ? Maybe the past tense of spoke ?


Yes, but only as an adjective describing tires.
 
2014-03-11 06:45:24 PM
You mean when a Democrat president and his administration chose to raid vs. capture outside of the compound and killed innocent women and children?  Should we mention Elian Gonzalez or wait for another thread?
 
2014-03-11 06:48:05 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: It's worse than that. The Branch found out about the raid hours before it was scheduled to go off via a postal worker.

The Branch chose to hunker down, arm up and wait for intruders. To kill them.

They could have chosen many other options than to wait in ambush then murder law enforcement agents and in doing so aiding the killing of many innocent people.



weird isn't it? unless you want to use children as shields. which i believe he did.

Koresch was a delusional POS & it is my opinion that he was the main catalyst of the Waco incident and should be held accountable for every death that occurred on the property.
 
2014-03-11 06:49:45 PM

JohnAnnArbor: My question: why didn't they wait them out? Cordon off and wait?


Like I said Fustercluck.  That said I think they thought that the Davidian were going to do something exactly like they did and were trying to go in first.  But on the hole, fustercluck.

And someone said something about getting Koresh on his run, Wacking a charismatic like that often sets off the followers before they collapse.
 
2014-03-11 06:49:47 PM
They are paid $200 a month to chant and meditate, $150 of which is sent back to their families in India.

WTF visa program are they on? This is reported as fact with no explanation?

That's some fine reporting there, Lou. Who did you spoked to?
 
2014-03-11 06:50:02 PM

Mean Daddy: You mean when a Democrat president and his administration chose to raid vs. capture outside of the compound and killed innocent women and children?  Should we mention Elian Gonzalez or wait for another thread?


Derp.
 
2014-03-11 06:51:33 PM
Anyone know anything about this "cultural exchange" program? What's the government's rationale for approving these visas for people being paid $200/month to meditate as alleged in the barely comprehensible article?
 
2014-03-11 06:51:54 PM

Isitoveryet: TheShavingofOccam123: It's worse than that. The Branch found out about the raid hours before it was scheduled to go off via a postal worker.

The Branch chose to hunker down, arm up and wait for intruders. To kill them.

They could have chosen many other options than to wait in ambush then murder law enforcement agents and in doing so aiding the killing of many innocent people.


weird isn't it? unless you want to use children as shields. which i believe he did.

Koresch was a delusional POS & it is my opinion that he was the main catalyst of the Waco incident and should be held accountable for every death that occurred on the property.


I think there is blame to go around?  Or is it important that we lay all the blame on one person?

/the shades of gray are blinding
 
2014-03-11 06:53:03 PM

Mean Daddy: You mean when a Democrat president and his administration chose to raid vs. capture outside of the compound and killed innocent women and children?  Should we mention Elian Gonzalez or wait for another thread?


Slick Willy didn't get involved until after state and local authorities had already done a piss poor job.
I don't think his involvement would have altered the ending either way.
the Davidians wanted to die, martyrdom or some crazy bunch of hooey.
 
2014-03-11 06:53:38 PM
I helped build Vedic City.

/I was a mason tender in the early to mid 90s.
 
2014-03-11 06:56:16 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Isitoveryet: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: jbc: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Waco didn't go Waco because of Waco. Waco went Waco because of Reno.

Why am I not surprised you'd side with criminals and kooks over the United States?

They (law enforcement) burned up children on purpose. I know. I taught tactics like this in the military. I saw it as it was happening. It was intentional. They waited for the windiest day they could, they punched holes into the building to build a chimney effect, and they pumped flaming tear gas into the building, to make sure they burned every person up. The U.S. were the criminals there.

I was under the impression the the Branch was given ample time to vacate.
come out with your hands up, let the women & children go.

I think the blame falls on those that put women & children on the line of fire.

It's worse than that. The Branch found out about the raid hours before it was scheduled to go off via a postal worker.

The Branch chose to hunker down, arm up and wait for intruders. To kill them.

They could have chosen many other options than to wait in ambush then murder law enforcement agents and in doing so aiding the killing of many innocent people.


Saturday, February 27, 1993, I was printing the Sunday edition of the Marin Independent Journal, a daily newspaper in Marin County, California. I had never heard of the Branch Davidians, nor had most people outside of Waco Texas. The front page story for our newspaper was a very defamatory in-depth article all about the Branch Davidians. The publication date was February 28, 1993, the very day that law enforcement first served a warrant on David Koresh.

My question is, why did a newspaper in Northern California feel the need to devote their front page banner story (a story that ran to over 4,000 words) to an obscure cult in Waco Texas, when there was nothing newsworthy about them up to that point?
 
2014-03-11 06:56:30 PM

Isitoveryet: TheShavingofOccam123: It's worse than that. The Branch found out about the raid hours before it was scheduled to go off via a postal worker.

The Branch chose to hunker down, arm up and wait for intruders. To kill them.

They could have chosen many other options than to wait in ambush then murder law enforcement agents and in doing so aiding the killing of many innocent people.


weird isn't it? unless you want to use children as shields. which i believe he did.

Koresch was a delusional POS & it is my opinion that he was the main catalyst of the Waco incident and should be held accountable for every death that occurred on the property.


Is it possible to believe that Koresh was a worthless piece of shiat that intended to go out in a blaze of glory, and that the authorities screwed up and gave him exactly what he wanted?

The side of law is supposed to be the one that finds a better way, not to create completely fforeseeable siege that ended in death.
 
2014-03-11 06:57:09 PM

Gunny Highway: I think there is blame to go around? Or is it important that we lay all the blame on one person?

/the shades of gray are blinding


well, typically things don't simply explode there are always underlying circumstances that lead up to the explosion and in this case i think that was in part due to Koresh's unwillingness to work with authorities, then again, he was crazy.

then again, again, it does take 2 to tango and i could easily agree that in this case the authorities totally farked up what should have been a simple conversation (at least) prior to all the actions taken.
 
2014-03-11 06:58:27 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: TheShavingofOccam123: Isitoveryet: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: jbc: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Waco didn't go Waco because of Waco. Waco went Waco because of Reno.

Why am I not surprised you'd side with criminals and kooks over the United States?

They (law enforcement) burned up children on purpose. I know. I taught tactics like this in the military. I saw it as it was happening. It was intentional. They waited for the windiest day they could, they punched holes into the building to build a chimney effect, and they pumped flaming tear gas into the building, to make sure they burned every person up. The U.S. were the criminals there.

I was under the impression the the Branch was given ample time to vacate.
come out with your hands up, let the women & children go.

I think the blame falls on those that put women & children on the line of fire.

It's worse than that. The Branch found out about the raid hours before it was scheduled to go off via a postal worker.

The Branch chose to hunker down, arm up and wait for intruders. To kill them.

They could have chosen many other options than to wait in ambush then murder law enforcement agents and in doing so aiding the killing of many innocent people.

Saturday, February 27, 1993, I was printing the Sunday edition of the Marin Independent Journal, a daily newspaper in Marin County, California. I had never heard of the Branch Davidians, nor had most people outside of Waco Texas. The front page story for our newspaper was a very defamatory in-depth article all about the Branch Davidians. The publication date was February 28, 1993, the very day that law enforcement first served a warrant on David Koresh.

My question is, why did a newspaper in Northern California feel the need to devote their front page banner story (a story that ran to over 4,000 words) to an obscure cult in Waco Texas, when there was nothing newsworthy about them up to that point?


Why dont you just answer your own question.
 
2014-03-11 06:59:07 PM

Fano: Is it possible to believe that Koresh was a worthless piece of shiat that intended to go out in a blaze of glory, and that the authorities screwed up and gave him exactly what he wanted?

The side of law is supposed to be the one that finds a better way, not to create completely fforeseeable siege that ended in death.


of course.
 
2014-03-11 07:02:43 PM
Pop Quiz hotshot: You're the directOr of the ATF. You need to arrest a gunrunning pedophile who has a warehouse full of military grade hardware, including explosives, and a gang of goons willing to fight to the death for him. Do you: A) Nab him when he goes alone on his weekly trip to SSam's Club to pick up Funyuns and beer or B) Attempt to storm his fortified compound complete with an electrified moat filled with alligators, swinging blade traps, and a riddle giving sphinx?

Let's see what method Mallory Archer would choose.
 
2014-03-11 07:02:44 PM

JohnAnnArbor: My question: why didn't they wait them out? Cordon off and wait?


Because children.  Because of a rumor that the children were being abused.

/that's the excuse they used, at any rate
//they did save a lot of childrens from further abuse
 
2014-03-11 07:03:12 PM

Gunny Highway: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: TheShavingofOccam123: Isitoveryet: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: jbc: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Waco didn't go Waco because of Waco. Waco went Waco because of Reno.

Why am I not surprised you'd side with criminals and kooks over the United States?

They (law enforcement) burned up children on purpose. I know. I taught tactics like this in the military. I saw it as it was happening. It was intentional. They waited for the windiest day they could, they punched holes into the building to build a chimney effect, and they pumped flaming tear gas into the building, to make sure they burned every person up. The U.S. were the criminals there.

I was under the impression the the Branch was given ample time to vacate.
come out with your hands up, let the women & children go.

I think the blame falls on those that put women & children on the line of fire.

It's worse than that. The Branch found out about the raid hours before it was scheduled to go off via a postal worker.

The Branch chose to hunker down, arm up and wait for intruders. To kill them.

They could have chosen many other options than to wait in ambush then murder law enforcement agents and in doing so aiding the killing of many innocent people.

Saturday, February 27, 1993, I was printing the Sunday edition of the Marin Independent Journal, a daily newspaper in Marin County, California. I had never heard of the Branch Davidians, nor had most people outside of Waco Texas. The front page story for our newspaper was a very defamatory in-depth article all about the Branch Davidians. The publication date was February 28, 1993, the very day that law enforcement first served a warrant on David Koresh.

My question is, why did a newspaper in Northern California feel the need to devote their front page banner story (a story that ran to over 4,000 words) to an obscure cult in Waco Texas, when there was nothing newsworthy about them up to that point?

Why dont you just answer your own question.


I honestly don't know. It seemed like a non sequitur at the time, and it still does. Until then, our editorial choices had followed a set, sane pattern. That article came out of left field, and made no sense in any context. I honestly wonder if it was released a day or so too early.
 
2014-03-11 07:03:48 PM

Sgygus: JohnAnnArbor: My question: why didn't they wait them out? Cordon off and wait?

Because children.  Because of a rumor that the children were being abused.

/that's the excuse they used, at any rate
//they did save a lot of childrens from further abuse


darnit! i forgot about the child abuse allegations.
 
2014-03-11 07:04:01 PM
They are paid $200 a month to pray? Can someone out there, a hindu maybe, explain this to me?
 
2014-03-11 07:04:36 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: TheShavingofOccam123: Isitoveryet: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: jbc: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Waco didn't go Waco because of Waco. Waco went Waco because of Reno.

Why am I not surprised you'd side with criminals and kooks over the United States?

They (law enforcement) burned up children on purpose. I know. I taught tactics like this in the military. I saw it as it was happening. It was intentional. They waited for the windiest day they could, they punched holes into the building to build a chimney effect, and they pumped flaming tear gas into the building, to make sure they burned every person up. The U.S. were the criminals there.

I was under the impression the the Branch was given ample time to vacate.
come out with your hands up, let the women & children go.

I think the blame falls on those that put women & children on the line of fire.

It's worse than that. The Branch found out about the raid hours before it was scheduled to go off via a postal worker.

The Branch chose to hunker down, arm up and wait for intruders. To kill them.

They could have chosen many other options than to wait in ambush then murder law enforcement agents and in doing so aiding the killing of many innocent people.

Saturday, February 27, 1993, I was printing the Sunday edition of the Marin Independent Journal, a daily newspaper in Marin County, California. I had never heard of the Branch Davidians, nor had most people outside of Waco Texas. The front page story for our newspaper was a very defamatory in-depth article all about the Branch Davidians. The publication date was February 28, 1993, the very day that law enforcement first served a warrant on David Koresh.

My question is, why did a newspaper in Northern California feel the need to devote their front page banner story (a story that ran to over 4,000 words) to an obscure cult in Waco Texas, when there was nothing newsworthy about them up to that point?

Why dont you just answer your own question.

...


Well, that is just really weird.  I apologize I thought you were getting at something haha.
 
2014-03-11 07:08:59 PM
I met some people from Maharishi once. Good folks. Hope everything's OK. I would assume they aren't a cult, because they allow their students to travel and such.
 
2014-03-11 07:16:33 PM
Can the Air Force AA systems be adjusted to shoot down flying Sadhus? If not, we might have a problem.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-03-11 07:17:27 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: They (law enforcement) burned up children on purpose. I know. I taught tactics like this in the military. I saw it as it was happening. It was intentional. They waited for the windiest day they could, they punched holes into the building to build a chimney effect, and they pumped flaming tear gas into the building, to make sure they burned every person up. The U.S. were the criminals there.


Bullshiat.
 
2014-03-11 07:19:20 PM
www.pakpublishers.com
 
2014-03-11 07:19:26 PM
Harvey Manfrenjensenjen:   You can think Koresh was a nutjob who deserved a couple to the back of the head but also realize that LE could have handled it much differently and completely avoided a standoff. Same overzealous bullshiat that led to the MOVE bombing.

I'm STILL  trying to figure out which letter of BATF's acronym covers "child abuse".
 
2014-03-11 07:20:41 PM
Oh FANTASTIC, there's not enough shiat hitting the fan and now I gotta worry about loose Pandits. And not just any Pandits, angry Pandits. Pandits, Pandits everywhere!

/TFA wrote "Pandit" 31 times
 
2014-03-11 07:20:42 PM

Gunny Highway: Well, that is just really weird. I apologize I thought you were getting at something haha.


No problem. I found this from a Wikipedia article:

"On February 27, 1993, the  Waco Tribune-Herald began publishing "The Sinful Messiah", a series of articles by Mark England and Darlene McCormick, who alleged that Koresh had physically abused children in the compound and had committed statutory rape by taking multiple underage brides."

I would bet that this was the article we printed, if they put it on the AP wire. I still have no idea why our editors would consider it suitable or even newsworthy for a regional daily newspaper that covered local news almost exclusively.
 
2014-03-11 07:22:51 PM
"They are paid $200 a month to chant and meditate, $150 of which is sent back to their families in India. "


i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-11 07:23:45 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I would bet that this was the article we printed, if they put it on the AP wire. I still have no idea why our editors would consider it suitable or even newsworthy for a regional daily newspaper that covered local news almost exclusively.


Yeah, that is really strange.  I was pretty young at the time so I don't have any insight on what society was like in 1993 never mind what publishers thought people wanted to read.  The story does have intrigue though.  Hell, we are talking about it all these years later.
 
2014-03-11 07:25:12 PM
UNAUTHORIZED FINGER:  I still have no idea why our editors would consider it suitable or even newsworthy for a regional daily newspaper that covered local news almost exclusively.

The original raid just happened to occur a few days before BATF's budget was supposed to come up in Congressional hearings.  Needless to say, BATF is a truly sterling example of the Government's integrity, so I'm sure that had nothing to do with the timing of the original raid.

BTW:  Want to guess what Ruby Ridge and Waco had in common?
 
2014-03-11 07:28:46 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER:  I still have no idea why our editors would consider it suitable or even newsworthy for a regional daily newspaper that covered local news almost exclusively.

The original raid just happened to occur a few days before BATF's budget was supposed to come up in Congressional hearings.  Needless to say, BATF is a truly sterling example of the Government's integrity, so I'm sure that had nothing to do with the timing of the original raid.

BTW:  Want to guess what Ruby Ridge and Waco had in common?


A fascist leader who refused to cooperate with authorities and ended up contributing to the deaths of innocents? That's my guess.

/Koresh had a contest to see if he or another pastor could bring someone back from the dead. The stink won.
 
2014-03-11 07:28:50 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER:  I still have no idea why our editors would consider it suitable or even newsworthy for a regional daily newspaper that covered local news almost exclusively.

The original raid just happened to occur a few days before BATF's budget was supposed to come up in Congressional hearings.  Needless to say, BATF is a truly sterling example of the Government's integrity, so I'm sure that had nothing to do with the timing of the original raid.

BTW:  Want to guess what Ruby Ridge and Waco had in common?


A particular sniper?
 
2014-03-11 07:32:46 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: Well, that is just really weird. I apologize I thought you were getting at something haha.

No problem. I found this from a Wikipedia article:

"On February 27, 1993, the  Waco Tribune-Herald began publishing "The Sinful Messiah", a series of articles by Mark England and Darlene McCormick, who alleged that Koresh had physically abused children in the compound and had committed statutory rape by taking multiple underage brides."

I would bet that this was the article we printed, if they put it on the AP wire. I still have no idea why our editors would consider it suitable or even newsworthy for a regional daily newspaper that covered local news almost exclusively.


A community college newspaper in Phoenix wrote a story about a German diplomat and his lovely wife attending a function at the college. The local paper put the story in their paper. One of the national wire services picked the story up. One of the international wire services picked the story up. A German newspaper in the diplomat's home town ran the article. It turns out the diplomat's wife was home in Germany at the time of the function. Oops.
 
2014-03-11 07:33:00 PM
Larry Potts.
 
2014-03-11 07:33:04 PM

Fano: lenfromak: mr_fulano: vudukungfu: Dafarqs a pandit?

I was wondering too, and the Google machine led me to the Wiki fount of all knowledge:

"A  pandit or  pundit (paṇḍita) is a scholar and a teacher, particularly one skilled in the Sanskrit language, who has mastered the four is derived from it but has been used to broadly refer to any of the following:
In the original usage of the word, "Pandit", synonymous to "Purohits", refers to a
The designation may also appear as the abbreviation "Pt." or "Pnt."

Robed guru type Hindu guy - aren't they supposed to be all peace-loving and shiat?

I just hate when an article like this uses local jargon withno attempt to explain it.

Someone should pandy them.


The true Panduit preaches the gospel of cable management
s14.postimg.org
Truly,
 
2014-03-11 07:34:56 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: Well, that is just really weird. I apologize I thought you were getting at something haha.

No problem. I found this from a Wikipedia article:

"On February 27, 1993, the  Waco Tribune-Herald began publishing "The Sinful Messiah", a series of articles by Mark England and Darlene McCormick, who alleged that Koresh had physically abused children in the compound and had committed statutory rape by taking multiple underage brides."

I would bet that this was the article we printed, if they put it on the AP wire. I still have no idea why our editors would consider it suitable or even newsworthy for a regional daily newspaper that covered local news almost exclusively.

A community college newspaper in Phoenix wrote a story about a German diplomat and his lovely wife attending a function at the college. The local paper put the story in their paper. One of the national wire services picked the story up. One of the international wire services picked the story up. A German newspaper in the diplomat's home town ran the article. It turns out the diplomat's wife was home in Germany at the time of the function. Oops.


Heh, oh man that's harsh. Busted!
 
2014-03-11 07:38:06 PM

That Guy Jeff: They are going to be murdered by the federal government?

/reads article

Nope, a large group of people decided to go for a protest march after one of their members was arrested and the authorities tried to prevent them from marching, inciting violence until the people were successfully prevented from exercising their rights and were confined to their property.

Am I reading this correctly? And what the hell is a pandit?


Nope. You didn't read it correctly. At all.
 
2014-03-11 07:38:44 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Larry Potts.


Wow, I'd never heard of the guy. I Googled him, and am reading an article in the Deseret News that claims that Timothy McVeigh fingered him as the FBI guy that was giving him orders. Curiouser and curiouser.
 
2014-03-11 07:44:17 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Waco was an excellent example of the "don't start no shiat, won't be no shiat" policy. Protip: When law enforcement comes with a search warrant, and you decide to get all shooty about it, you don't really have any cause to gripe when they burn your farking house to the ground. The U.S. Government has nothing to apologize for. Fark those whackjob Davidians, and fark their apologists.


Funny how Reno gets a free pass for murdering innocent people (most of the followers of Koresh but not Koresh himself) yet Marines are courtmartialed, jailed, and ruined when they do the same thing in Iraq. So fark the government and fark you.
 
2014-03-11 07:44:24 PM
Waco needed to burn and they got what they deserved.
 
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