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2014-03-11 05:24:48 PM  

Fubegra: Zooming in on Vedic City in with satellite view shows all sorts of weirdness. In the northwest corner of the town, there's an area that looks an awful lot like military barracks (or a concentration camp).

Then there's a giant mandala on the east side.


If you look at it in map view, the barracks is the Maharishi Vedic Pandit Campus.
 
2014-03-11 05:25:18 PM  

jbc: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Waco didn't go Waco because of Waco. Waco went Waco because of Reno.

Why am I not surprised you'd side with criminals and kooks over the United States?


I thought the criminals and kooks were the united states.
 
2014-03-11 05:27:09 PM  
Watch "Waco: Rules of Engagement".
 
2014-03-11 05:27:12 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: VEDIC CITY, IOWA --
The Jefferson County Sheriff's Office was contacted...

[i1214.photobucket.com image 240x320]
"Problem?"


/It took this long?  Really?
//Yeah, yeah, I know


I love you a little bit right now.
 
2014-03-11 05:30:23 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Fubegra: Bathia_Mapes: Sounds more akin to Rajneeshpuram than Waco, but the whole Rajneeshpuram thing didn't end well for anyone.

That's kind of what I was thinking too. That was an epic fustercluck if there ever was one.

A quick Google Maps search indicates that "Maharishi Vedic City, IA 52556" is a thing. In Iowa? WTF?

I know, right?

And Rajneeshpuram was indeed an epic clusterfark, right down to infecting several restaurant salad bars in The Dalles with salmonella in the hopes of preventing people from voting in an upcoming election.


Don't forgot the Rolls Royce hotness!
 
2014-03-11 05:30:36 PM  
Is it 1998 again?
 
2014-03-11 05:30:53 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Why are those the only two options? You can think Koresh was a nutjob who deserved a couple to the back of the head but also realize that LE could have handled it much differently and completely avoided a standoff. Same overzealous bullshiat that led to the MOVE bombing.

We're on the Internet! Black or white, there is no Micheal Jackson.

Did the Branch Davidians over react? Yeah. Did Reno? Oh hell yeah. What the hell were tanks even doing in Waco, TX?


The tanks in Waco were commandeered from civilians.

In Texas you have the right to bare heavy artillery. Anyone who is anyone has their own private SAM station.
 
2014-03-11 05:31:41 PM  

htomc: The Stealth Hippopotamus:  What the hell were tanks even doing in Waco, TX?

Sending a message to the American people, of what might happen if they ever got certain dangerous ideas in their heads.  You know, things like liberty, freedom, limited government, and other such things that are so very inconvenient to the rulers.

img.fark.net
So by liberty, freedom, and limited government you mean stockpiling weapons and pumping out Tater Jrs for a creepy guy who claims he's Jesus? Or do you mean being the creepy guy who claims he's Jesus?
/What's that? Oh no, it's the black helicopters coming to put you in a FEMA camp next to the NAFTA superhighway!
 
2014-03-11 05:32:50 PM  
Shouldn't "Pandit" be capitalized? I have no idea what they're all about, but I think it's a proper noun, no?
 
2014-03-11 05:32:59 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Benevolent Misanthrope: VEDIC CITY, IOWA --
The Jefferson County Sheriff's Office was contacted...

[i1214.photobucket.com image 240x320]
"Problem?"

/It took this long?  Really?
//Yeah, yeah, I know

I love you a little bit right now.


Well, I should have known someone would beat me to the DS9 ref, but here's mine anyway.

GIS for "vedek pants"

www.yourprops.com
 
2014-03-11 05:36:40 PM  

what_now: Shouldn't "Pandit" be capitalized? I have no idea what they're all about, but I think it's a proper noun, no?


No.  "pandit" really just means "scholar", specifically an authority on Vedic scripture.
 
2014-03-11 05:38:50 PM  
Nothing a mass deportation wouldn't fix.
 
2014-03-11 05:40:53 PM  
Smokey and the Pandit.
 
2014-03-11 05:42:55 PM  
having lived in iowa city, i have had occasion to interact with many a fairfielder. usually they're from california or new york and have relocated to be close to Maharishi. this means that they're typically very wealthy and possess the thousand-yard stare of a zealot.

i worked in a retail store in IC and once had a "floater," as we called them, return a baseball cap because it "interfered with [his] aura."

/CSB
 
2014-03-11 05:43:17 PM  
I think it's going to take more than rocks and debris being thrown about to make another Waco.....
 
2014-03-11 05:44:03 PM  
i must add that i think that meditation, transcendental or otherwise, is probably a very good thing for the body and mind. it's just that those who gravitated to fairfield seemed to be the ones who were waaay over the top into it.
 
2014-03-11 05:44:22 PM  



            CRIMEA RIVER            ¡

 
2014-03-11 05:44:51 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
What a Pandit looks like.
 
2014-03-11 05:47:59 PM  
We've got something similar here, just a few miles east of town way out in the countryside: ISCKON (i.e. the Hare Krishnas) New Talavan Farm.

www.newtalavana.org

I've seen this view of them many times from my balloon.  Bless 'em, they've let me land on their property more times than I can count.  Once a friend landed there around sunset and the HK's all lined up on the road like signposts to help guide us in to where he'd landed. Their cattle are all over the place and I try to avoid them, but all of 'em, cattle and people alike, are mighty placid.

www.newtalavana.org
 
2014-03-11 05:51:31 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: What the hell were tanks even doing in Waco, TX?


It's called force protection.  See if the opposing force makes it clear they have you outgunned (shooting through the roof of a building and punching right on through the Kevlar body armor) you get something they are unlikely to shoot through.  An APC like a M113 is possibly breach able.  The Governor can call up guard engineer units and get M60 engineer tanks and M88's (just because they came from Ft. Hood does not mean they are Active duty).

But here is the point everyone seems to forget.  If they wanted it ended fast with no chance of risk to anyone not a Branch Davidian , they had a couple of options to end it really f'ing fast with little or no fire.

A) the compound was not that big, line up the tanks in a line in the front of the compound and have tank races to the rear.

B) The M728 (M60 engineer tank) has a 165mm main gun specifically designed for breaching.  They could have fired in, blew the piss out of the building, killed most of the defenders and stunned the rest.

That raid was a first class fustercluck, but the Branch Davidians set that up to go like that from the start.  The fire is clearly accelerant fueled, because one of the first rules of fortress tactics is that if it is flamey and not essential to battle it is stored the hell away from the fight.  They intended to die.  Th followed a very familiar model/path.

/oh crap did I just comment in what was becoming a waco thread...
 
2014-03-11 05:52:16 PM  
vedic city

huh
 
2014-03-11 05:52:51 PM  
These guys are allowed to come here and live in a compound in-order to get paid $200 a month to chant?

Translation, these guys are brought here to do menial labor / manufactoring / assembly / agriculture of some sort and are paid a pittance.

And we expect these guys not to bust out of there at some point and move about the country?
 
2014-03-11 05:53:30 PM  
Huh! And all this time I thought that "pandit" was just a contraction for "pants-bandit." The more you know!
 
2014-03-11 05:55:58 PM  
MBooda:

img.fark.net

Bottom left, Jesse Pinkman sighting!
 
2014-03-11 06:02:18 PM  

caddisfly: Bathia_Mapes: Sounds more akin to Rajneeshpuram than Waco, but the whole Rajneeshpuram thing didn't end well for anyone.

http://www.amazon.com/Golden-Guru-Strange-Journey-Rajneesh/dp/0828906 3 00 Link

Pulled this off the shelf of a rented cabin in Central Oregon and couldn't put it down. I'm amazed folks still follow this guy after what was so clearly exposed.


Thanks!

Sounds like an interesting read. In fact I just checked & my local library has a copy.
 
2014-03-11 06:03:01 PM  

mr_fulano: vudukungfu: Dafarqs a pandit?

I was wondering too, and the Google machine led me to the Wiki fount of all knowledge:

"A  pandit or  pundit (paṇḍita) is a scholar and a teacher, particularly one skilled in the Sanskrit language, who has mastered the four is derived from it but has been used to broadly refer to any of the following:
In the original usage of the word, "Pandit", synonymous to "Purohits", refers to a
The designation may also appear as the abbreviation "Pt." or "Pnt."

Robed guru type Hindu guy - aren't they supposed to be all peace-loving and shiat?


Only in the same way that all priests are supposed to be.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence_in_India

Fun fact, our term pundit comes from pandit.
 
2014-03-11 06:04:03 PM  

fst_creeper: Fubegra: Zooming in on Vedic City in with satellite view shows all sorts of weirdness. In the northwest corner of the town, there's an area that looks an awful lot like military barracks (or a concentration camp).

Reminds me of something far worse than a barracks area.
[img.fark.net image 640x426]


Good thing it doesn't look anything like Jonestown. Anything.
 
2014-03-11 06:07:31 PM  

fst_creeper: The Stealth Hippopotamus: What the hell were tanks even doing in Waco, TX?

It's called force protection.  See if the opposing force makes it clear they have you outgunned (shooting through the roof of a building and punching right on through the Kevlar body armor) you get something they are unlikely to shoot through.  An APC like a M113 is possibly breach able.  The Governor can call up guard engineer units and get M60 engineer tanks and M88's (just because they came from Ft. Hood does not mean they are Active duty).

But here is the point everyone seems to forget.  If they wanted it ended fast with no chance of risk to anyone not a Branch Davidian , they had a couple of options to end it really f'ing fast with little or no fire.

A) the compound was not that big, line up the tanks in a line in the front of the compound and have tank races to the rear.

B) The M728 (M60 engineer tank) has a 165mm main gun specifically designed for breaching.  They could have fired in, blew the piss out of the building, killed most of the defenders and stunned the rest.

That raid was a first class fustercluck, but the Branch Davidians set that up to go like that from the start.  The fire is clearly accelerant fueled, because one of the first rules of fortress tactics is that if it is flamey and not essential to battle it is stored the hell away from the fight.  They intended to die.  Th followed a very familiar model/path.

/oh crap did I just comment in what was becoming a waco thread...


My question: why didn't they wait them out? Cordon off and wait?
 
2014-03-11 06:08:11 PM  

MBooda: We've got something similar here, just a few miles east of town way out in the countryside: ISCKON (i.e. the Hare Krishnas) New Talavan Farm.

[www.newtalavana.org image 707x398]

I've seen this view of them many times from my balloon.  Bless 'em, they've let me land on their property more times than I can count.  Once a friend landed there around sunset and the HK's all lined up on the road like signposts to help guide us in to where he'd landed. Their cattle are all over the place and I try to avoid them, but all of 'em, cattle and people alike, are mighty placid.

[www.newtalavana.org image 640x480]


Krishnas are generally OK and they have great food.
 
2014-03-11 06:08:30 PM  
img2.imagesbn.com

http://books.google.com/books?id=Ml6wziyGGVkC&printsec=frontcover&so ur ce=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

Related to the subject of cults but not this story in particular.  Fascinating book.  Worth checking out.
 
2014-03-11 06:09:10 PM  

Fano: Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: jbc: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Waco didn't go Waco because of Waco. Waco went Waco because of Reno.

Why am I not surprised you'd side with criminals and kooks over the United States?

Why are those the only two options? You can think Koresh was a nutjob who deserved a couple to the back of the head but also realize that LE could have handled it much differently and completely avoided a standoff. Same overzealous bullshiat that led to the MOVE bombing.

THIS


David Koresh went jogging every day (outside the compound, I believe) and the FBI could have picked him up then. Instead, they lay siege to the place, blast music and noise at the compound 24/7, then start a firefight. I believe it was a CS canister that started the fire.


/After that, they changed the FBI's Official Song to "We didn't start the fire..."
 
2014-03-11 06:11:54 PM  

Lee451: /After that, they changed the FBI's Official Song to "We didn't start the fire..."


What was it before that?
 
2014-03-11 06:15:22 PM  
Waco was an excellent example of the "don't start no shiat, won't be no shiat" policy. Protip: When law enforcement comes with a search warrant, and you decide to get all shooty about it, you don't really have any cause to gripe when they burn your farking house to the ground. The U.S. Government has nothing to apologize for. Fark those whackjob Davidians, and fark their apologists.
 
2014-03-11 06:15:49 PM  
TFA:
the project on Invincible America Drive


That is the most jingoistic street name I have seen. Does it intersect with Awesome American Patriot Avenue?
 
2014-03-11 06:17:17 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: They (law enforcement) burned up children on purpose. I know. I taught tactics like this in the military. I saw it as it was happening. It was intentional. They waited for the windiest day they could, they punched holes into the building to build a chimney effect, and they pumped flaming tear gas into the building, to make sure they burned every person up. The U.S. were the criminals there.

I can believe that someone in Washington would order the compound taken. I can believe that mistakes were made in the taking of that compound. But I just can't believe that the ATF on the ground would have gone for that.

so


Lots of stuff has been done to disrupt groups before. Look at the whole Second Wounded Knee incident-- which was a response to the initial condition of death squads trained by the CIA to assasinate and terrorize the political opponents of the tribal chief. The documentary "Incident at Oglala" has interviews with retired LEOs who talked about what happened and why.

When the footsoldiers in the alphabet agencies are given orders they carry them out. They are always convinced it is "necessary" by those pulling the strings.
 
2014-03-11 06:18:06 PM  
UNAUTHORIZED FINGER:
They (law enforcement) burned up children on purpose. I know. I taught tactics like this in the military.


In the Core?
 
2014-03-11 06:19:20 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: caddisfly: Bathia_Mapes: Sounds more akin to Rajneeshpuram than Waco, but the whole Rajneeshpuram thing didn't end well for anyone.

http://www.amazon.com/Golden-Guru-Strange-Journey-Rajneesh/dp/0828906 3 00 Link

Pulled this off the shelf of a rented cabin in Central Oregon and couldn't put it down. I'm amazed folks still follow this guy after what was so clearly exposed.

Thanks!

Sounds like an interesting read. In fact I just checked & my local library has a copy.


I live in Central Oregon and actually have one of the old A-Frame cabins from the commune on my property.  We made it into a little guest house and we have old pictures of Rajneeshpuram hanging and some books about Osho for people to get freaked out by.
 
2014-03-11 06:21:42 PM  
My handle is doubly appropriate for this thread, and I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...
 
2014-03-11 06:22:19 PM  

Gunny Highway: Lee451: /After that, they changed the FBI's Official Song to "We didn't start the fire..."

What was it before that?


I Fought The Law.
 
2014-03-11 06:23:56 PM  

Richard C Stanford: Gunny Highway: Lee451: /After that, they changed the FBI's Official Song to "We didn't start the fire..."

What was it before that?

I Fought The Law.


I figured it would be Washington Bullets if it was a Clash song haha.
 
2014-03-11 06:24:25 PM  
farm8.staticflickr.com

Also

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-11 06:25:14 PM  
Here's a series of blog posts about this compound. Apparently it's indentured servitude. The "pandits" are poor Indians who are not allowed to leave the compound. They hired security to fetch people back who try to escape.
 
2014-03-11 06:26:12 PM  

Armand Tanzarian: Bathia_Mapes: caddisfly: Bathia_Mapes: Sounds more akin to Rajneeshpuram than Waco, but the whole Rajneeshpuram thing didn't end well for anyone.

http://www.amazon.com/Golden-Guru-Strange-Journey-Rajneesh/dp/0828906 3 00 Link

Pulled this off the shelf of a rented cabin in Central Oregon and couldn't put it down. I'm amazed folks still follow this guy after what was so clearly exposed.

Thanks!

Sounds like an interesting read. In fact I just checked & my local library has a copy.

I live in Central Oregon and actually have one of the old A-Frame cabins from the commune on my property.  We made it into a little guest house and we have old pictures of Rajneeshpuram hanging and some books about Osho for people to get freaked out by.


Heh! That's awesome
 
2014-03-11 06:26:15 PM  
Whoops, wrong thread.
 
2014-03-11 06:26:26 PM  

Oldiron_79: jbc: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Waco didn't go Waco because of Waco. Waco went Waco because of Reno.

Why am I not surprised you'd side with criminals and kooks over the United States?

The United States is run by criminals and kooks.


No, it's run by criminals and people who get the big joke.
 
2014-03-11 06:26:33 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Waco was an excellent example of the "don't start no shiat, won't be no shiat" policy. Protip: When law enforcement comes with a search warrant, and you decide to get all shooty about it, you don't really have any cause to gripe when they burn your farking house to the ground. The U.S. Government has nothing to apologize for. Fark those whackjob Davidians, and fark their apologists.


And fark those dead kids.
 
2014-03-11 06:27:11 PM  

FlashHarry: having lived in iowa city, i have had occasion to interact with many a fairfielder. usually they're from california or new york and have relocated to be close to Maharishi. this means that they're typically very wealthy and possess the thousand-yard stare of a zealot.

i worked in a retail store in IC and once had a "floater," as we called them, return a baseball cap because it "interfered with [his] aura."

/CSB


This news story allowed me to finally piece together the story behind similar interactions I've had in Iowa City with the talk of a new age commune from India being set up in a bankrupt college south of there (and the reports back then of visitors from India being frightfully unprepared for a midwest winter clothing-wise). Looking more into the history behind this movement, it definitely appears to be in the same genus as Scientology, built on a clash of modern mass marketing and spirituality for fun and profit- even propagating through the help of celebrity endorsements. Though I can't say I see any of the same blood (or salmonella) on their hands as Scientology or Rajneeshpuram, it is still disappointing to see positive ideas and practices used so cynically to separate people from their money while maintaining a religious non-profit facade.
 
2014-03-11 06:28:01 PM  
Madison, who wanted to remain anonymous...

assets.gearlive.com
 
2014-03-11 06:30:20 PM  

Richard C Stanford: htomc: The Stealth Hippopotamus:  What the hell were tanks even doing in Waco, TX?

Sending a message to the American people, of what might happen if they ever got certain dangerous ideas in their heads.  You know, things like liberty, freedom, limited government, and other such things that are so very inconvenient to the rulers.
[img.fark.net image 474x300]
So by liberty, freedom, and limited government you mean stockpiling weapons and pumping out Tater Jrs for a creepy guy who claims he's Jesus? Or do you mean being the creepy guy who claims he's Jesus?
/What's that? Oh no, it's the black helicopters coming to put you in a FEMA camp next to the NAFTA superhighway!


Beat me to it...that guy is one of the worst trolls I have seen in Fark...and there are some REALLY bad trolls here...
 
2014-03-11 06:30:41 PM  
FTA: KTVO spoked to several Fairfield residents to gauge their opinion on the pandits and the incident that took place.
Is spoked really a word ? Maybe the past tense of spoke ?
 
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