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(The Raw Story)   KY children's home enacts anti-discrimination policy to allow LGBT employees in order to avoid losing government funding. KY churches decide to withhold their funding instead. Won't someone please think of the children?   (rawstory.com) divider line 274
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2014-03-11 03:53:36 PM  
Did someone say "KY" and "children"?

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2014-03-11 03:53:39 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Christians.  Just... Christians.  Fark.


Pretty much this.  Church is the new white hood.
 
2014-03-11 03:54:09 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Jesus wanted little kids suffering though, IIRC.


Well, he did say, "Suffer the little children..."
 
2014-03-11 03:56:34 PM  

ox45tallboy: miss diminutive: ox45tallboy: miss diminutive: I'll admit, I'm no expert on their specific denomination and I don't know any Southern Baptists well, but is there some kind of underlined or italicized text in the Baptist Bible that encourages so many of them to be such raging assholes?

How would they know?

Bold text?

Okay, how would they know about the bold text?


Are you implying that they don't read the bible...or that they collectively suffer from an inability to read bold text?
 
2014-03-11 03:56:47 PM  
It's almost funny in a way to see these whacky fundies keep fighting a battle that's already over. Like those batshiat crazy old Japanese guys in New Guinea, shaking rusty bayonets at the locals and screaming out "Emperor take New York!``
 
2014-03-11 03:58:11 PM  
This facility will be closed within 24 months.
 
2014-03-11 03:58:12 PM  

ox45tallboy: Old_Chief_Scott: *sigh*

Then again, I'm a techie guy. I gave up on "hacker" and "cable/DSL modem" a long time ago. They now mean something different than they used to (hell, a cable or DSL "modem" is not in any shape, form, or fashion a "modem" since there is no modulating/demodulating), and I can't do a damn thing about it.


Totally OT but... since when?

DOCSIS uses QAM, which has Modulation right in the acronym:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Features

Similar with DSL modems that use very high frequencies. They require a filter so you can use a standard phone with them, because otherwise you interrupt the modulation/demodulation.

Now, it's not using the classic audio-frequency level modulation of a traditional telephone modem, but it's still quite assuredly a modem.
 
2014-03-11 03:59:21 PM  
Once again, regardless you say it's for peace, whatever, it's all a scam;. It's about holding others down;. Doesn't matter how they coat it, it still stinks like a shiat sandwich.
If they're gay, Bi, or whatever, supposedly you say it's gods will what he does with these people, but I know, if these people were speaking for me, I'd be tempted to go all old testament on their asses. I'd do it Korea-style too. 3 generations.
 
2014-03-11 03:59:55 PM  
There comes a time when awake Christians realize that they have met more demons inside the Church than outside it.
 
2014-03-11 04:00:04 PM  

Friction8r: scottydoesntknow: I'd really like to know how many children were removed from broken homes of homosexual parents.

I'd really like to know how many children were created by homosexual parents.


www3.pictures.zimbio.com
"Oh, Marcus and I are the proud parents of 28* wonderful children.... wait, what?"



*This is actually true. They have five children of their own and had custody of 23 different foster children for at least some time
 
2014-03-11 04:00:55 PM  

miss diminutive: ox45tallboy: miss diminutive: I'll admit, I'm no expert on their specific denomination and I don't know any Southern Baptists well, but is there some kind of underlined or italicized text in the Baptist Bible that encourages so many of them to be such raging assholes?

How would they know?

Bold text?


I think he was subtly implying they don't actually read the Bible.
 
2014-03-11 04:01:14 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Why would any organization fund something that it opposes? You may not like and it may suck but it's perfectly reasonable.


"We want to help children but they might come into contact with the gay, so we will pull your funding and because you even considered employing the gay you should lose your job."

Yep, perfectly reasonable.
 
2014-03-11 04:01:39 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Why would any organization fund something that it opposes? You may not like and it may suck but it's perfectly reasonable.


They aren't required to, but it really isn't reasonable. They're using children as pawns in their bullshiat, which is as slimy as it gets. We're perfectly allowed to call them out on their Christian behavior.
 
2014-03-11 04:02:04 PM  
Nice of the Feds to hold a Children's Home hostage.
 
2014-03-11 04:02:27 PM  
Anyone who has any kind of moral center in KY will immediately stop giving money to the church and will give the same amount directly to this children's charity.

It is so repulsive that this church group feels that spreading and enforcing their hate is more important than a children's charity.
 
2014-03-11 04:03:29 PM  
I dunno if they want to fund this or that with their charity money that is their decision, maybe a secular charity group can take up the mantle.
 
2014-03-11 04:03:43 PM  

miss diminutive: Are you implying that they don't read the bible...or that they collectively suffer from an inability to read bold text?


There are Bibles that put words attributed to God/YHWH in all caps, and words attributed to Jesus in red letters. I guess you could have thought I meant that.

But I mean the first thing. I've seldom met a Southern Protestant of any flavor that knew the Bible better than me, and I stopped going to church when I was 18 and became an atheist soon afterwards.

Jesus would not have behaved the way these churches have.
 
2014-03-11 04:04:20 PM  
Children are always pawns.  We just pay them lip service.
 
2014-03-11 04:04:20 PM  
As we all Know Jesus VERY clearly said in Matthew 25:41 ""Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; for you were occasional not a humongous dick to a gay person, and you once in a while treated them like a human being and did not take every opportunity to hurt them or marginalize them, or anyone who ever treated them decently'

So really what is a "Christian" church gonna do?
 
2014-03-11 04:06:10 PM  
ox45tallboy: They're technically a religious nonprofit, but it's still up in the air as to whether they are considered a "church"

No, it very much isn't.

They receive government funding, therefore they've openly declared themselves not a church in their charter.

The government, especially the federal government, isn't legally allowed to give money to churches.
 
2014-03-11 04:06:10 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: I love the people that think:

"Not allowing me to discriminate as I see fit is a form of discrimination. I should be allowed to discriminate against anyone I choose, and not letting me do that is an infringement of my rights."


Believe it or not, I had this very argument with a Christian friend of mine a couple of weeks ago.  He feels strongly that (so-called) Christian businesses (like Hobby Lobby) have every right to require employees and customers adhere to the religious beliefs of the business owners.

That includes the freedom  to discriminate.
 
2014-03-11 04:07:25 PM  

miss diminutive: Let me guess....Baptists?

*checks article*

The Kentucky Baptist Convention, which approves of the anti-LGBT policy, is now back in the Sunrise's corner.

Sweet merciful crap, I wish I were more surprised. These people really have a hard-on for prejudice against gays, don't they?

I'll admit, I'm no expert on their specific denomination and I don't know any Southern Baptists well, but is there some kind of underlined or italicized text in the Baptist Bible that encourages so many of them to be such raging assholes?


Never go fishing with just one Baptist, he'll drink all of your beer.
 
2014-03-11 04:07:44 PM  
I bet their membership is proud of their church... to the tune of Seven Million (plus) Dollars they have previously donated.
 
2014-03-11 04:07:46 PM  

MilesTeg: Nice of the Feds to hold a Children's Home hostage.


Ooh, I'd love to hear the reasoning behind this.
 
2014-03-11 04:08:15 PM  

Pitabred: Totally OT but... since when?

DOCSIS uses QAM, which has Modulation right in the acronym:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Features

Similar with DSL modems that use very high frequencies. They require a filter so you can use a standard phone with them, because otherwise you interrupt the modulation/demodulation.

Now, it's not using the classic audio-frequency level modulation of a traditional telephone modem, but it's still quite assuredly a modem.


They're digital signal converters. There is no modulation/demodulation from digital to analog, which is where the telephone modem got it's name - it converted the digital computer signal to analog tones. You don't call anything that modulates a modem just because it modulates - the name was applied specifically to devices which made the D/A conversion for use on an analog phone line.

/okay, that's enough threadjack. If you still don't agree, shoot me an email.
 
2014-03-11 04:08:26 PM  

mainstreet62: Did someone say "KY" and "children"?

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2014-03-11 04:08:38 PM  
"Now that our churches have confidence in the leadership of Sunrise and the direction of Sunrise, we'll give them the opportunity to re-invest in this ministry to children We are disgusting bigots," Kentucky Baptist Convention Executive Director Paul Chitwood told WDRB.

FTFH.
 
2014-03-11 04:10:27 PM  

ox45tallboy: netizencain: It's more important to discriminate against gays than to provide day care services to poor people

This isn't day care services; it's for children who have been removed from their parents' care due to abuse or neglect. Sometimes the parents are in prison, sometimes they are drug addicts who can't or won't provide for their children. Places like this provide an alternative to the "boarding school" atmosphere of most state-run facilities. It provides the kids with a more home-like atmosphere, usually with their own bedrooms. The one I spent the most time at even provided private bathrooms for each child. Each home generally has about 6-8 kids and a set of full-time "house parents" who perform mommy and daddy duties on a more personal level than the institutions.


My ex's brother lives in Louisville now. He's unequivocally stated that gay people are going to Hell. He's made comments that make me believe he thinks his nephew is illegitimate since his mother and father were not married when he was conceived. I bet that if he knows about this organization, he would be cheering the churches who are intentionally withholding money from these neglected children.
 
2014-03-11 04:11:14 PM  
OK, but the Catholic run children's homes are still good, right?
 
2014-03-11 04:11:31 PM  
It's just the iron fist of the government - attached to a limp wrist.
 
2014-03-11 04:12:29 PM  
Because priests hate competition?
 
2014-03-11 04:14:12 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: Benevolent Misanthrope: But it's still WAY more important for a good Christian to discriminate against gay people than to provide kids with food, clothing and shelter.

So, it's not bigotry when you do it. I get it.


You need to call a doctor. Lack of a humerus bone is a frightening way to live life, Sir.
 
2014-03-11 04:14:55 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: I love the people ASSHOLES that think:

"Not allowing me to discriminate as I see fit is a form of discrimination. I should be allowed to discriminate against anyone I choose, and not letting me do that is an infringement of my rights."


FTFY.
 
2014-03-11 04:15:09 PM  
So gays boycott the Salvation Army for their anti-gay stance. Churches cut funding to children's home for accepting gays. Both circumstances involve a group of people "voting with their wallet" for what they believe in. What's the difference, honestly?
 
2014-03-11 04:15:30 PM  

Headso: I dunno if they want to fund this or that with their charity money that is their decision, maybe a secular charity group can take up the mantle.


Well, it's not that simple. Often these organizations are run with a specific charter, and their legitimacy comes from the church organization that they are affiliated with. They can't "break away" from the church any more than a Catholic school could break away from the diocese.

Also, keep in mind that the director of the home that was fired was basically the CEO of the company - he proposed this new policy of accepting LGBT people, but it was never enacted because it was shot down by the Board of Directors, who are in all likelihood clergymen and other leaders in Baptist churches in the area.

The fact that this sort of proposal was made public in the first place shows that someone on the Board didn't like him and played petty politics to get donor pressure up in order to show him the door.
 
2014-03-11 04:16:34 PM  
And Jesus said unto them, "Fark your neighbors. Only love Christians who aren't gays."
 
2014-03-11 04:17:21 PM  
This seems like a great opportunity for GLBT, atheist or liberal charities to set up.   Maybe they can show some real tolerance and compassion by reaching into their own pockets instead of pointing out other peoples failures.

This is not a defense of the people withdrawing funding.
 
2014-03-11 04:18:56 PM  

TerminalEchoes: So gays boycott the Salvation Army for their anti-gay stance. Churches cut funding to children's home for accepting gays. Both circumstances involve a group of people "voting with their wallet" for what they believe in. What's the difference, honestly?


Gays decide to boycott SA because they discriminate. The church decides to cut funding because the children's home won't discriminate.

If you don't see a difference, I don't think anyone can help you.
 
2014-03-11 04:18:59 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Why would any organization fund something that it opposes? You may not like and it may suck but it's perfectly reasonable.

The Baptist church opposes children's homes? That doesn't sound right.

Ohh you mean it opposes hiring homosexuals. Because of all those passages in the bible about not hiring homosexuals.

Which passages are those?


Oh, it's in there somewhere.  Probably near the back.
 
2014-03-11 04:19:30 PM  

Friction8r: scottydoesntknow: I'd really like to know how many children were removed from broken homes of homosexual parents.

I'd really like to know how many children were created by homosexual parents.


They are out there. I have a friend who's dad is gay.  She's cool, and so is he and his boyfriend.
 
2014-03-11 04:21:11 PM  
Ironically, religion (a choice) is a protected status, but sexual preference (not a choice) isn't.
 
2014-03-11 04:24:17 PM  
For shame, subby. KY, gay people, children getting screwed, and not a single lube comment?
 
2014-03-11 04:24:50 PM  

grumpfuff: MilesTeg: Nice of the Feds to hold a Children's Home hostage.

Ooh, I'd love to hear the reasoning behind this.


Well, obviously, it was the Feds that started this ruckus in the first place by requiring that they not discriminate if they wanted government funding to continue. At that point, the Baptist organization had no choice but to withhold their own funding or else they would be damned for eternity. Duh.
 
2014-03-11 04:24:53 PM  

scottydoesntknow: TerminalEchoes: So gays boycott the Salvation Army for their anti-gay stance. Churches cut funding to children's home for accepting gays. Both circumstances involve a group of people "voting with their wallet" for what they believe in. What's the difference, honestly?

Gays decide to boycott SA because they discriminate. The church decides to cut funding because the children's home won't discriminate.

If you don't see a difference, I don't think anyone can help you.


This.
 
2014-03-11 04:26:02 PM  
Meh, people can spend their money however they want to spend their money. I'm not too thrilled with a children's home being funded by religious folks anyway. They usually attach strings or least try to get people to read their incredibly violent and pornographic novelization of Hebrew history.
 
2014-03-11 04:26:22 PM  

MilesTeg: Nice of the Feds to hold a Children's Home hostage.


A+++++++.  Would LOL again.
 
2014-03-11 04:26:54 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: Benevolent Misanthrope: But it's still WAY more important for a good Christian to discriminate against gay people than to provide kids with food, clothing and shelter.

So, it's not bigotry when you do it. I get it.


Ahhhh...The ironing is delicious.
 
2014-03-11 04:28:40 PM  

Jim_Callahan: No, it very much isn't.

They receive government funding, therefore they've openly declared themselves not a church in their charter.

The government, especially the federal government, isn't legally allowed to give money to churches.


I beg to differ, sir. Their legitimacy as an organization receiving Bush's FBO funds depends on their affiliation with an organized, established religion. I can't create the "Ox45's Church of the Tall Can" and get government funding for my homeless shelter through a Faith-Based Initiative program - I'd have to get a congregation up first.

I could do it differently as a secular organization, but this is not a secular organization.

Now, they do have to abide by certain guidelines, and they're not supposed to proselytize or mandate religious worship or rituals as a condition for disbursement of aid paid for by the government, but many do, and it's difficult to enforce. But a church food bank most certainly can receive federal funds as long as they are not shown to have violated the rules for Faith-Based Organizations. Normally the church where the food bank is located would just set up a separate organizational and accounting structure, but to say it is not owned and controlled by the church it resides in and shares personnel and management with is laughable.
 
2014-03-11 04:30:29 PM  

TerminalEchoes: So gays boycott the Salvation Army for their anti-gay stance. Churches cut funding to children's home for accepting gays. Both circumstances involve a group of people "voting with their wallet" for what they believe in. What's the difference, honestly?


One is on the right side of history, and one is not.
 
2014-03-11 04:30:43 PM  

ox45tallboy: Headso: I dunno if they want to fund this or that with their charity money that is their decision, maybe a secular charity group can take up the mantle.

Well, it's not that simple. Often these organizations are run with a specific charter, and their legitimacy comes from the church organization that they are affiliated with. They can't "break away" from the church any more than a Catholic school could break away from the diocese.


it seems a number of churches stopped funding the home, that is who I was referring to.
 
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