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2014-03-11 01:47:11 PM

dittybopper: Karma Curmudgeon: I'm as opposed as anyone to the domestic surveillance regime.  But if true, the attempt to control by the branch of government responsible for ensuring the Agency is following the law by intimidation is many, many times more dangerous.

It's quaint that you think the two are unrelated.


Of course they're related, I didn't say they weren't.  The entire intelligence community is has been emboldened to disregard the Constitution.  However, the domestic surveillance program threatens certain civil liberties. An executive branch agency attempting to threaten a different co-equal branch threatens the very system of government that maintains all liberties.  They are at different orders of magnitude.
 
2014-03-11 01:48:47 PM

StopLurkListen: [insideevs.com image 600x347]

"Other countries, they work, they don't surveil at home.  They don't surveil by the café.  They wave off surveilling elected officials. (Pause to look at camera and break fourth wall) OFF!

Why aren't you like that?  Why aren't we like that?  Because we are crazy driven, hard working surveillers - that's why.  Those other countries think we are nuts. "

*Wink.*

N'est-ce pas?

[insideevs.com image 850x476]


That's awesome.

/Love that commercial.
//Might give Cadillac a look on the next go around since it's about time to trade in my car.
 
2014-03-11 01:48:50 PM

The Southern Dandy: As a California voter who generally votes straight ticket...


You're part of the problem.
 
2014-03-11 01:51:11 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: The Southern Dandy: As a California voter who generally votes straight ticket...

You're part of the problem.


Next-time use a sample ballot as a dart board, close your eyes, let loose the darts and let fate decide.
 
2014-03-11 01:51:13 PM
Well, look at all those knee-jerk "DON'T YOU JUST LOVE BEING SURVEILLED AT HOME, FEINSTEIN!" commenters. I'm really hoping you're all just parodying idiots, but frankly it's hard to tell.
 
2014-03-11 01:52:26 PM

EdNortonsTwin: Dancin_In_Anson: The Southern Dandy: As a California voter who generally votes straight ticket...

You're part of the problem.

Next-time use a sample ballot as a dart board, close your eyes, let loose the darts and let fate decide.


It can't be any worse.  Really.
 
2014-03-11 01:53:18 PM

EdNortonsTwin: I'm not really up to speed on all of Snowden's whistle blowing revelations, but did he reveal that more than meta-data / data was being collected as it is sent/received from our home computers; that the feds are actually breaking through peoples home firewalls and scanning their hard drives without a warrant?

Because I assume the latter what some of the folks on here are decrying as hyprocisy on on Feinsteins part.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_ANT_catalog#Capabilities_list

They do indeed have the capability.
 
2014-03-11 01:58:22 PM

media.salon.com


Dianne Feinstein on questionable NSA spying/ information collection techniques against regular US citizens:  "It's called protecting America."

Dianne Feinstein on questionable CIA spying/ information collection techniques against US Congressional Representatives/ Senate Intelligence Committee:  "I am not taking it lightly." And was noted as having mentioned, "...the CIA appears to have violated the Fourth Amendment, which bars unreasonable searches and seizures, as well as various federal laws and a presidential executive order that prevents the agency from conducting domestic searches and surveillance."

When it happens to you- GFY.  Why?  'MURICA, that's why.

When it happens to them- ZOMGZ LAWZ BROKUN!  WHAARRR MUH ANSWERS?!?!?!?!
 
2014-03-11 01:58:54 PM

Karma Curmudgeon: dittybopper: Karma Curmudgeon: I'm as opposed as anyone to the domestic surveillance regime.  But if true, the attempt to control by the branch of government responsible for ensuring the Agency is following the law by intimidation is many, many times more dangerous.

It's quaint that you think the two are unrelated.

Of course they're related, I didn't say they weren't.  The entire intelligence community is has been emboldened to disregard the Constitution.  However, the domestic surveillance program threatens certain civil liberties. An executive branch agency attempting to threaten a different co-equal branch threatens the very system of government that maintains all liberties.  They are at different orders of magnitude.


Well, I'd argue that the very system of government that maintains all liberties hasn't been doing a very good job of maintaining said liberties.

So the public revelation of this is a very, very good thing:  It'll force the pendulum to swing the other way (hopefully).  Just like the Church Committee hearings in the 1970's lead to the protections like the pre-9/11 version of FISA.
 
2014-03-11 02:01:33 PM
To be fair, many members of Congress deserve eavesdropping attention far more than the average Joe.  A bunch of Congress members have relationships with organizations that support domestic terrorism in the USA.  Like making gun purchases legal and easy for insane people so they can shoot up schools and kill unarmed people throughout the nation.  Or organizations which support bombing abortion clinics and assassinating physicians who perform abortion.

I'd guess members of Congress who support domestic terror groups run a much higher percentage than the population at large.
 
2014-03-11 02:02:03 PM

TheEdibleSnuggie: [media.salon.com image 620x412]
Dianne Feinstein on questionable NSA spying/ information collection techniques against regular US citizens:  "It's called protecting America."

Dianne Feinstein on questionable CIA spying/ information collection techniques against US Congressional Representatives/ Senate Intelligence Committee:  "I am not taking it lightly." And was noted as having mentioned, "...the CIA appears to have violated the Fourth Amendment, which bars unreasonable searches and seizures, as well as various federal laws and a presidential executive order that prevents the agency from conducting domestic searches and surveillance."

When it happens to you- GFY.  Why?  'MURICA, that's why.

When it happens to them- ZOMGZ LAWZ BROKUN!  WHAARRR MUH ANSWERS?!?!?!?!


This.
 
2014-03-11 02:03:15 PM

dj_spanmaster: Well, look at all those knee-jerk "DON'T YOU JUST LOVE BEING SURVEILLED AT HOME, FEINSTEIN!" commenters. I'm really hoping you're all just parodying idiots, but frankly it's hard to tell.


I know, some of them are even quoting the article.  Are they on the side then of the CIA and think they should be able to use enhanced interrogation techniques and then delete files off of Senators' computers when they start an investigation on it?  There are a whole lot of people in this thread that need to stop breathing out of their mouths for a minute, put the Monster energy down and actually read what this is about.
 
2014-03-11 02:05:27 PM
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2014-03-11 02:07:08 PM

SnakeLee: dj_spanmaster: Well, look at all those knee-jerk "DON'T YOU JUST LOVE BEING SURVEILLED AT HOME, FEINSTEIN!" commenters. I'm really hoping you're all just parodying idiots, but frankly it's hard to tell.

I know, some of them are even quoting the article.  Are they on the side then of the CIA and think they should be able to use enhanced interrogation techniques and then delete files off of Senators' computers when they start an investigation on it?  There are a whole lot of people in this thread that need to stop breathing out of their mouths for a minute, put the Monster energy down and actually read what this is about.


Yeah, they seem to think this is hitting Feinstein personally when the reality is an out of control arm of the executive just potentially got busted spying on another branch of government in an effort to cover up crimes.
 
2014-03-11 02:07:13 PM

EdNortonsTwin: Next-time use a sample ballot as a dart board, close your eyes, let loose the darts and let fate decide.


Same difference as voting straight ticket.
 
2014-03-11 02:09:16 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: EdNortonsTwin: Next-time use a sample ballot as a dart board, close your eyes, let loose the darts and let fate decide.

Same difference as voting straight ticket.


Throwing a dart takes a modicum of preparation before entering the booth (dart and sample ballot) and then a minimal amount of cognitive effort (remembering where the darts landed). It also displays, albeit minimally, initiative. Therefore, it is light years better than straight ticket voting.
 
2014-03-11 02:17:09 PM

HotWingConspiracy: SnakeLee: dj_spanmaster: Well, look at all those knee-jerk "DON'T YOU JUST LOVE BEING SURVEILLED AT HOME, FEINSTEIN!" commenters. I'm really hoping you're all just parodying idiots, but frankly it's hard to tell.

I know, some of them are even quoting the article.  Are they on the side then of the CIA and think they should be able to use enhanced interrogation techniques and then delete files off of Senators' computers when they start an investigation on it?  There are a whole lot of people in this thread that need to stop breathing out of their mouths for a minute, put the Monster energy down and actually read what this is about.

Yeah, they seem to think this is hitting Feinstein personally when the reality is an out of control arm of the executive just potentially got busted spying on another branch of government in an effort to cover up crimes.


So, we're potentially looking at another Watergate? What if Nixon could have said, "Hey CIA, go remove all traces of evidence from those reporters."
 
2014-03-11 02:17:59 PM

dittybopper: She was perfectly fine with the US government violating the constitutional rights of US citizens:


Seconded. That's Dianne "I'm angry because I'm the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and this shouldn't happen to me" Feinstein. She gives no farks about citizen rights and never has. She is pissed because she wasn't exempt.
 
2014-03-11 02:20:13 PM

Wingchild: dittybopper: She was perfectly fine with the US government violating the constitutional rights of US citizens:

Seconded. That's Dianne "I'm angry because I'm the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and this shouldn't happen to me" Feinstein. She gives no farks about citizen rights and never has. She is pissed because she wasn't exempt.


You understand that this has nothing to do with her personally being spied on, right?
 
2014-03-11 02:23:13 PM

Nabb1: Throwing a dart takes a modicum of preparation before entering the booth (dart and sample ballot) and then a minimal amount of cognitive effort (remembering where the darts landed). It also displays, albeit minimally, initiative. Therefore, it is light years better than straight ticket voting.


Good point.
 
2014-03-11 02:33:33 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Wingchild: dittybopper: She was perfectly fine with the US government violating the constitutional rights of US citizens:

Seconded. That's Dianne "I'm angry because I'm the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and this shouldn't happen to me" Feinstein. She gives no farks about citizen rights and never has. She is pissed because she wasn't exempt.

You understand that this has nothing to do with her personally being spied on, right?


You are correct; Senator Feinstein is not so self-centered as to believe herself the only individual in the country who should be exempt from spying operations.

She believes that anyone in the privileged position of the United States Congress should be immune to surveillance. Being spied upon is for dirty peasants, not for prominent politicians.
 
2014-03-11 02:35:50 PM

FishyFred: I'm a tiny bit surprised that this story isn't getting major traction. In a just world, this would be a Watergate-level scandal. The NSA is small potatoes compared to this.


The internet's favorite helpdesk guy just weighed in on it, so it's about to blow up.
 
2014-03-11 02:37:51 PM

Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Wingchild: dittybopper: She was perfectly fine with the US government violating the constitutional rights of US citizens:

Seconded. That's Dianne "I'm angry because I'm the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and this shouldn't happen to me" Feinstein. She gives no farks about citizen rights and never has. She is pissed because she wasn't exempt.

You understand that this has nothing to do with her personally being spied on, right?

You are correct; Senator Feinstein is not so self-centered as to believe herself the only individual in the country who should be exempt from spying operations.

She believes that anyone in the privileged position of the United States Congress should be immune to surveillance.


I'm not so sure she said that. I mean, this isn't metadata. The allegation is they were actively farking with an investigation. You're ok with this because OMG Feinstein?
 
2014-03-11 02:38:40 PM
Get this old coont out of office. She is exactly the reason we need term and age limits in Congress.
 
2014-03-11 02:39:14 PM

Wendy's Chili: FishyFred: I'm a tiny bit surprised that this story isn't getting major traction. In a just world, this would be a Watergate-level scandal. The NSA is small potatoes compared to this.

The internet's favorite helpdesk guy just weighed in on it, so it's about to blow up.


Clippy?
 
2014-03-11 02:41:27 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Wingchild: dittybopper: She was perfectly fine with the US government violating the constitutional rights of US citizens:

Seconded. That's Dianne "I'm angry because I'm the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and this shouldn't happen to me" Feinstein. She gives no farks about citizen rights and never has. She is pissed because she wasn't exempt.

You understand that this has nothing to do with her personally being spied on, right?

You are correct; Senator Feinstein is not so self-centered as to believe herself the only individual in the country who should be exempt from spying operations.

She believes that anyone in the privileged position of the United States Congress should be immune to surveillance.

I'm not so sure she said that. I mean, this isn't metadata. The allegation is they were actively farking with an investigation. You're ok with this because OMG Feinstein?


You are confusing a recognition of Senator Feinstein's hypocrisy with approval.
 
2014-03-11 02:41:29 PM

pissnmoan: To be fair, many members of Congress deserve eavesdropping attention far more than the average Joe.  A bunch of Congress members have relationships with organizations that support domestic terrorism in the USA.  Like making gun purchases legal and easy for insane people so they can shoot up schools and kill unarmed people throughout the nation.  Or organizations which support bombing abortion clinics and assassinating physicians who perform abortion.

I'd guess members of Congress who support domestic terror groups run a much higher percentage than the population at large.


Still, that's all the jurisdiction of the FBI.
 
2014-03-11 02:42:26 PM

Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Wingchild: dittybopper: She was perfectly fine with the US government violating the constitutional rights of US citizens:

Seconded. That's Dianne "I'm angry because I'm the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and this shouldn't happen to me" Feinstein. She gives no farks about citizen rights and never has. She is pissed because she wasn't exempt.

You understand that this has nothing to do with her personally being spied on, right?

You are correct; Senator Feinstein is not so self-centered as to believe herself the only individual in the country who should be exempt from spying operations.

She believes that anyone in the privileged position of the United States Congress should be immune to surveillance.

I'm not so sure she said that. I mean, this isn't metadata. The allegation is they were actively farking with an investigation. You're ok with this because OMG Feinstein?

You are confusing a recognition of Senator Feinstein's hypocrisy with approval.


I'm ok with whatever gets her on board. Maybe this will prompt her to reconsider past decisions.
 
2014-03-11 02:43:33 PM

Wingchild: dittybopper: She was perfectly fine with the US government violating the constitutional rights of US citizens:

Seconded. That's Dianne "I'm angry because I'm the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and this shouldn't happen to me" Feinstein. She gives no farks about citizen rights and never has. She is pissed because she wasn't exempt.


You noticed she didn't complain about her home.

She complained that they targeted the Senate committee that oversees the cia.
 
2014-03-11 02:45:45 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: The Southern Dandy: As a California voter who generally votes straight ticket...

You're part of the problem.


Herd to not vote straight ticket when one party is bat shiat crazy.
 
2014-03-11 02:50:27 PM

HotWingConspiracy: I'm ok with whatever gets her on board. Maybe this will prompt her to reconsider past decisions


That cute that you think a fanatic is capable of reconsidering their position.
 
2014-03-11 02:50:54 PM

SnakeLee: dj_spanmaster: Well, look at all those knee-jerk "DON'T YOU JUST LOVE BEING SURVEILLED AT HOME, FEINSTEIN!" commenters. I'm really hoping you're all just parodying idiots, but frankly it's hard to tell.

I know, some of them are even quoting the article.  Are they on the side then of the CIA and think they should be able to use enhanced interrogation techniques and then delete files off of Senators' computers when they start an investigation on it?  There are a whole lot of people in this thread that need to stop breathing out of their mouths for a minute, put the Monster energy down and actually read what this is about.


Not that I want to defend ever-creeping surveillance, but they didn't snoop through the senators' computers (at least not in this case). They were CIA computers held at a CIA site administered by CIA techs. Are we seriously going to say that the CIA should be denied access to their own property? I'm not saying the motive behind removing/changing the data isn't wrong, but that doesn't make DiFi right.
 
2014-03-11 02:52:21 PM
Bwahahahahaha.
 
2014-03-11 02:53:16 PM

shtychkn: Dancin_In_Anson: The Southern Dandy: As a California voter who generally votes straight ticket...

You're part of the problem.

Herd to not vote straight ticket when one party is bat shiat crazy.


Yes, the GOP is crazy, and many of their candidates are unworthy of a vote, BUT there are at times exceptions to those rules and it is sometimes worth actually looking past the party and assessing candidates on there own. Not to mention there are other parties out there.
 
2014-03-11 02:59:11 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Wingchild: dittybopper: She was perfectly fine with the US government violating the constitutional rights of US citizens:

Seconded. That's Dianne "I'm angry because I'm the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and this shouldn't happen to me" Feinstein. She gives no farks about citizen rights and never has. She is pissed because she wasn't exempt.

You understand that this has nothing to do with her personally being spied on, right?

You are correct; Senator Feinstein is not so self-centered as to believe herself the only individual in the country who should be exempt from spying operations.

She believes that anyone in the privileged position of the United States Congress should be immune to surveillance.

I'm not so sure she said that. I mean, this isn't metadata. The allegation is they were actively farking with an investigation. You're ok with this because OMG Feinstein?

You are confusing a recognition of Senator Feinstein's hypocrisy with approval.

I'm ok with whatever gets her on board. Maybe this will prompt her to reconsider past decisions.


Senator Feinstein has established a history of opposing civil liberties, while simultaneously enjoying those liberties herself. Your defense of her is not likely to entice her to engage in sexual intercourse with you.
 
2014-03-11 03:00:22 PM

RINO: SnakeLee: dj_spanmaster: Well, look at all those knee-jerk "DON'T YOU JUST LOVE BEING SURVEILLED AT HOME, FEINSTEIN!" commenters. I'm really hoping you're all just parodying idiots, but frankly it's hard to tell.

I know, some of them are even quoting the article.  Are they on the side then of the CIA and think they should be able to use enhanced interrogation techniques and then delete files off of Senators' computers when they start an investigation on it?  There are a whole lot of people in this thread that need to stop breathing out of their mouths for a minute, put the Monster energy down and actually read what this is about.

Not that I want to defend ever-creeping surveillance, but they didn't snoop through the senators' computers (at least not in this case). They were CIA computers held at a CIA site administered by CIA techs. Are we seriously going to say that the CIA should be denied access to their own property? I'm not saying the motive behind removing/changing the data isn't wrong, but that doesn't make DiFi right.


I looked at this the same way you do until i read the transcripts of Feinstein's comments:

Per an exchange of letters in 2009, then-Vice Chairman Bond, then-Director Panetta, and I agreed in an exchange of letters that the CIA was to provide a "stand-alone computer system" with a "network drive" "segregated from CIA networks" for the committee that would only be accessed by information technology personnel at the CIA-who would "not be permitted to" "share information from the system with other [CIA] personnel, except as otherwise authorized by the committee."

So it's not like they just went down to Langley and logged in to any old computer. They wanted to do it off-site, and only agreed to do it on-site after the CIA took steps to ensure that they wouldn't do what they eventually did.

If Feinstein's account is accurate, and the order to access the system and erase information didn't come from the President, then some heads need to roll at the CIA.
 
2014-03-11 03:00:34 PM
In this thread people not understanding the difference between metadata and actual data.
 
2014-03-11 03:02:01 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Wingchild: dittybopper: She was perfectly fine with the US government violating the constitutional rights of US citizens:

Seconded. That's Dianne "I'm angry because I'm the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and this shouldn't happen to me" Feinstein. She gives no farks about citizen rights and never has. She is pissed because she wasn't exempt.

You understand that this has nothing to do with her personally being spied on, right?

You are correct; Senator Feinstein is not so self-centered as to believe herself the only individual in the country who should be exempt from spying operations.

She believes that anyone in the privileged position of the United States Congress should be immune to surveillance.

I'm not so sure she said that. I mean, this isn't metadata. The allegation is they were actively farking with an investigation. You're ok with this because OMG Feinstein?

You are confusing a recognition of Senator Feinstein's hypocrisy with approval.

I'm ok with whatever gets her on board. Maybe this will prompt her to reconsider past decisions.


This. I'm no fan of DiFi at all, but it's not just her that's making the allegations. Sen Mark Udall is no surveillance apologist and he's been pretty instrumental in trying to get this report out to the public.

A better article with ta link he full text of her comments.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/11/feinstein-accuses-cia-i nt imidation-torture-report
 
2014-03-11 03:02:30 PM

Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Wingchild: dittybopper: She was perfectly fine with the US government violating the constitutional rights of US citizens:

Seconded. That's Dianne "I'm angry because I'm the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and this shouldn't happen to me" Feinstein. She gives no farks about citizen rights and never has. She is pissed because she wasn't exempt.

You understand that this has nothing to do with her personally being spied on, right?

You are correct; Senator Feinstein is not so self-centered as to believe herself the only individual in the country who should be exempt from spying operations.

She believes that anyone in the privileged position of the United States Congress should be immune to surveillance.

I'm not so sure she said that. I mean, this isn't metadata. The allegation is they were actively farking with an investigation. You're ok with this because OMG Feinstein?

You are confusing a recognition of Senator Feinstein's hypocrisy with approval.

I'm ok with whatever gets her on board. Maybe this will prompt her to reconsider past decisions.

Senator Feinstein has established a history of opposing civil liberties, while simultaneously enjoying those liberties herself. Your defense of her is not likely to entice her to engage in sexual intercourse with you.


But I fap on webcam every night in the hope that her spies will see it.
 
2014-03-11 03:07:57 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Wingchild: dittybopper: She was perfectly fine with the US government violating the constitutional rights of US citizens:

Seconded. That's Dianne "I'm angry because I'm the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and this shouldn't happen to me" Feinstein. She gives no farks about citizen rights and never has. She is pissed because she wasn't exempt.

You understand that this has nothing to do with her personally being spied on, right?

You are correct; Senator Feinstein is not so self-centered as to believe herself the only individual in the country who should be exempt from spying operations.

She believes that anyone in the privileged position of the United States Congress should be immune to surveillance.

I'm not so sure she said that. I mean, this isn't metadata. The allegation is they were actively farking with an investigation. You're ok with this because OMG Feinstein?


Actually considering the computers were the CIAs I am not so sure what DiFi is being pissy about. She is mad that they search computers that belong to the CIA. So the CIA searched CIA property on loan to DiFi and her committee. So it isn't OMG they broke in to our computers !!!!!. It is they searched computers for illegal documents that belonged to them. And notice that DiFi isn't all upset. She is upset she didn't get an apology. So 1) she helped create this lawlessness and has no issue when directed at the US and enriching her family 2) she isn't even upset that they did it. She just wanted them to say sorry.

This falls right in to their wheel house. CIA says the congress people should not have had access to document X. These are the same folks Difi and others who tell government workers that they should avoid wikileaks and other sites as they do not have clearance to view such things. How is this any different than the US government tapping journalists phones to determine the leak of classified material ? There is the big question of how the committee obtained the document. They were not supposed to be in possession of it, if the CIA transferred it on their own computers, are they not obligated to act so that the document doesn't fall in to UN-authorized hands ?
 
2014-03-11 03:09:28 PM

The Southern Dandy: As a California voter who generally votes straight ticket...

FARK DIANNE FEINSTEIN!

She is the complete opposite of me.  I side with the Dems on almost everything except gun control. She sides with the Republicans on everything except gun control. She's the living embodiment of cronie capitalism and gun grabber.

I wouldn't vote for her if you held a gun to my head, which if she had her way, you could do easily because I wouldn't be allowed to have one.


Wait... you think democrats aren't in general in bed with corporations? Have you not been watching the last few years?
 
2014-03-11 03:09:50 PM

shtychkn: Herd to not vote straight ticket when one party is bat shiat crazy


Nabb1: Yes, the GOP is crazy, and many of their candidates are unworthy of a vote, BUT there are at times exceptions to those rules and it is sometimes worth actually looking past the party and assessing candidates on there own. Not to mention there are other parties out there.


Exactly...straight ticket voting is what begets us dried out fossils like this old biatch who doesn't have a clue in hell what life is like in the real world and uses that knowledge to rule (or govern if that's your reality) us.
 
2014-03-11 03:12:22 PM

MyRandomName: Wait... you think democrats aren't in general in bed with corporations?


But but but they have a D by their names! They're there to fight for the little guy like you and me!
 
2014-03-11 03:12:44 PM

kindms: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Wingchild: dittybopper: She was perfectly fine with the US government violating the constitutional rights of US citizens:

Seconded. That's Dianne "I'm angry because I'm the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and this shouldn't happen to me" Feinstein. She gives no farks about citizen rights and never has. She is pissed because she wasn't exempt.

You understand that this has nothing to do with her personally being spied on, right?

You are correct; Senator Feinstein is not so self-centered as to believe herself the only individual in the country who should be exempt from spying operations.

She believes that anyone in the privileged position of the United States Congress should be immune to surveillance.

I'm not so sure she said that. I mean, this isn't metadata. The allegation is they were actively farking with an investigation. You're ok with this because OMG Feinstein?

Actually considering the computers were the CIAs I am not so sure what DiFi is being pissy about. She is mad that they search computers that belong to the CIA. So the CIA searched CIA property on loan to DiFi and her committee. So it isn't OMG they broke in to our computers !!!!!. It is they searched computers for illegal documents that belonged to them.


No, just no. And I'm not sure you understand how an investigation works. It doesn't at any point involve the people being investigated remotely blocking access to documents pertinent to the investigation.
 
2014-03-11 03:14:16 PM

kindms: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Wingchild: dittybopper: She was perfectly fine with the US government violating the constitutional rights of US citizens:

Seconded. That's Dianne "I'm angry because I'm the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and this shouldn't happen to me" Feinstein. She gives no farks about citizen rights and never has. She is pissed because she wasn't exempt.

You understand that this has nothing to do with her personally being spied on, right?

You are correct; Senator Feinstein is not so self-centered as to believe herself the only individual in the country who should be exempt from spying operations.

She believes that anyone in the privileged position of the United States Congress should be immune to surveillance.

I'm not so sure she said that. I mean, this isn't metadata. The allegation is they were actively farking with an investigation. You're ok with this because OMG Feinstein?

Actually considering the computers were the CIAs I am not so sure what DiFi is being pissy about. She is mad that they search computers that belong to the CIA. So the CIA searched CIA property on loan to DiFi and her committee. So it isn't OMG they broke in to our computers !!!!!. It is they searched computers for illegal documents that belonged to them. And notice that DiFi isn't all upset. She is upset she didn't get an apology. So 1) she helped create this lawlessness and has no issue when directed at the US and enriching her family 2) she isn't even upset that they did it. She just wanted them to say sorry.

This falls right in to their wheel house. CIA says the congress people should not have had access to document X. These are the same folks Difi and others who tell government workers that they should avoid wikileaks and other sites as they do not have clearance to view such things. How is this any different than the US government tapping journalists phones to determine the leak of classified material ? There is the big q ...


The committee disputes the claim that unauthorized material was accessed. They accuse the CIA of deleting information from their supposedly "closed network" after they were initially granted access to it.
 
2014-03-11 03:19:30 PM

zepher: Gotta love hypocrites like this old biatch.
First she uses her influence to obtain a CCW and then makes it a part of her personal agenda to deny that same right to the 'little people'.
Then she votes for establishing the NSA and for ever increasing domestic spying and then she biatches when that same spying then targets the ruling elite.

I can't wait to dance on this old bag's grave.


A nice tidbit on the CCW of hers.  At one time, there were exactly two CCWs in the entire city of San Francisco.  They belonged to Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer - two of the loudest anti-gunners in all of Congress.

Side note.  I won't celebrate their deaths.  I just won't give a shiat.
 
2014-03-11 03:20:20 PM
I'm sure there is not a smidgen of corruption here.
 
2014-03-11 03:20:47 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: MyRandomName: Wait... you think democrats aren't in general in bed with corporations?

But but but they have a D by their names! They're there to fight for the little guy like you and me!


9 out of 10 times, you are exactly right.  Sadly, that makes them better, but only marginally so, than the R's who do it 10 out 10 times.
 
2014-03-11 03:21:42 PM

HotWingConspiracy: kindms: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Wingchild: dittybopper: She was perfectly fine with the US government violating the constitutional rights of US citizens:

Seconded. That's Dianne "I'm angry because I'm the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and this shouldn't happen to me" Feinstein. She gives no farks about citizen rights and never has. She is pissed because she wasn't exempt.

You understand that this has nothing to do with her personally being spied on, right?

You are correct; Senator Feinstein is not so self-centered as to believe herself the only individual in the country who should be exempt from spying operations.

She believes that anyone in the privileged position of the United States Congress should be immune to surveillance.

I'm not so sure she said that. I mean, this isn't metadata. The allegation is they were actively farking with an investigation. You're ok with this because OMG Feinstein?

Actually considering the computers were the CIAs I am not so sure what DiFi is being pissy about. She is mad that they search computers that belong to the CIA. So the CIA searched CIA property on loan to DiFi and her committee. So it isn't OMG they broke in to our computers !!!!!. It is they searched computers for illegal documents that belonged to them.

No, just no. And I'm not sure you understand how an investigation works. It doesn't at any point involve the people being investigated remotely blocking access to documents pertinent to the investigation.


the argument as I understand it is that the document was never supposed to be transferred to them in the first place so the CIA went to see if they transferred it by mistake. If that was the case and they were acting to "secure" data that wasn't supposed to have been given to the committee. I don't see what the problem is ?

How is it any different than trying to "secure" flash drives that Greenwalds husband was traveling with ? After all this document most certainly falls under national security. So what if the oversight committee obtained illegal information that was still classified at the highest levels ? That they were not cleared to see ? They don't just get to see classified material, they have made oaths and pledges about what they are allowed to access. If they were given material that was classified or not for them they have an obligation to return that material to its rightful owners.

See how all of their tired and BS arguments about secrecy and privileged access can be turned around on them ? Funny how that works. Perhaps the NSA / CIA should go about destroying DiFi's reputation now that the see her as a "radicalizer"
 
2014-03-11 03:22:00 PM

OgreMagi: zepher: Gotta love hypocrites like this old biatch.
First she uses her influence to obtain a CCW and then makes it a part of her personal agenda to deny that same right to the 'little people'.
Then she votes for establishing the NSA and for ever increasing domestic spying and then she biatches when that same spying then targets the ruling elite.

I can't wait to dance on this old bag's grave.

A nice tidbit on the CCW of hers.  At one time, there were exactly two CCWs in the entire city of San Francisco.  They belonged to Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer - two of the loudest anti-gunners in all of Congress.

Side note.  I won't celebrate their deaths.  I just won't give a shiat.


Aaaaaannndd now we see what all the DiFi hate is really about.  Took longer than I expected.
 
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