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(Salon)   Enjoy your shrimp, you despicable slave-owning, Southern plantation master   (salon.com) divider line 177
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2014-03-11 11:47:01 AM  
"i own people: meh"

classic!
 
2014-03-11 11:47:32 AM  

twiztedjustin: Sweet sweet Olive Garden.


*hurk*
 
2014-03-11 11:50:00 AM  
I don't eat seafood often, but when I do, I go through the best supplier in this area, who buys from American fisheries.

Also when I visit my brother in Seattle, my aunt in Florida, or my other aunt in South Carolina, I eat locally caught seafood like I'm f*cking Neptune.
 
2014-03-11 11:50:09 AM  

R.A.Danny: Coffee


There is no coffee produced that is not produced by some form of slave labor, indentured servitude, or share cropping.

In Colombia the large coffee farms are tended by local peasants who are paid a pittance but are allowed to live on the land and have their own little vegetable and fruit gardens to maintain the crops.

When the crops are harvested seasonal migrant workers come in to do the harvests and are paid a pittance.

This happens on the big farms and the free trade farms.
 
2014-03-11 11:52:13 AM  
Thanks, I will.
 
2014-03-11 11:52:16 AM  

Nabb1: theflatline: CruJones: crawfish

Ah, last time I checked crawfish were fresh water creatures raised in ponds inland.

Yes, they are, and thanks to numerous spells of unusually cold weather down here, those little mudbugs are quite expensive this year.


I worked crawfishing in Thibodaux in college for a few weeks back in 91, fark all that noise, I would rather be beat with whips rowing a slave ship.

Back breaking labor avoiding gators and snakes but the plus side our bosses idea of a bonus program was "you can keep all the frogs you can catch".

I went back to bartending.
 
2014-03-11 11:53:45 AM  

theflatline: There is no coffee produced that is not produced by some form of slave labor, indentured servitude, or share cropping.


Hawaii is pretty good about these.
 
2014-03-11 11:54:21 AM  
i.ytimg.com

Mr. President, I'm Forrest Gump, owner of Bubba Gump Shrimp.

Shrimp? I love shrimp. Shrimp cocktails, shrimp scampi, shrimp puffs, shrimp kebab, peanut butter and shrimp sandwiches, shrimp milkshakes, shrimp wine, count shrimpula cereal, and blueberry pie with a scoop of vanilla ice cream, a little brown sugar and some shrimp.

You sure like shrimp, Mr. President.

Did you say shrimp? I love shrimp. Shrimp cocktail, shrimp scampi, shrimp puffs, shrimp kebab...
 
2014-03-11 11:57:33 AM  

Another Government Employee: Nabb1: Kraftwerk Orange: Not a single restaurant on this famous shrimper's dock actually serves local caught shrimp.  Only The Wreck does, located just a little further down, which while considered one of the best taste-wise, also constantly gets complaints from locals about being "over-priced".

[www.charlestonartmarket.com image 640x226]

When I lived in Charleston, everyone knew that hole area was where tourists went to eat fried seafood platters. I used to go down to a little place just before you got to Folly Beach from James Island and there was a shop at a small dock where some shrimp boats would come in. You could get head-on shrimp for $1.25 a pound. Being poor and in college, we'd pool our money, get some seasoning, a case of beer, and peel and boil those things on a Saturday. There was something great about being broke and still knowing that you were eating shrimp that had been swimming in the ocean twelve hours ago.

I've eaten there.  Just past the Angel Oak.  IIRC, the trawlers were owned by family members.

A couple of the restaurants on Folly bought from them, too.


Nowhere near the Angel Oak (which is on Johns Island), in case anyone is trying to actually find the place:    Crosby's.
 
2014-03-11 11:57:54 AM  
bdub77:
Here's a harsh reality. Slavery runs the world. If you make over 35k, you are the 1%. If you make over 70k you are the 0.1%. In fact, according to the U.N. nearly half the world's population, 2.8 billion people, earn less than $2 a day and according to the World Bank, 95% of those living in the developing world earn less than $10 a day.


Not arguing your numbers or sentiment, but try living on $35k in San Francisco (with a family) and then try living on the same amount in Laos. In SF you're going to be POOR...in Laos you're going to live like a king.
 
2014-03-11 11:58:06 AM  
i512.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-11 11:58:06 AM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: 5. Consumers don't seem to care

Dear Salon writer:   Inconvenient truth: consumers can't research every. single. item. they purchase in order to see where it comes from.


Is there anything that Salon  doesn't find racist/oppressive?
 
2014-03-11 11:58:16 AM  

theflatline: Nabb1: theflatline: CruJones: crawfish

Ah, last time I checked crawfish were fresh water creatures raised in ponds inland.

Yes, they are, and thanks to numerous spells of unusually cold weather down here, those little mudbugs are quite expensive this year.

I worked crawfishing in Thibodaux in college for a few weeks back in 91, fark all that noise, I would rather be beat with whips rowing a slave ship.

Back breaking labor avoiding gators and snakes but the plus side our bosses idea of a bonus program was "you can keep all the frogs you can catch".

I went back to bartending.


I had a chum who wanted to be a commercial fisherman.  After his first six months he quit. He told me "You know the difference between a fishing boat and jail? You can escape from jail sometimes."

/CSB, yeah
 
2014-03-11 11:58:49 AM  
There is a disappointing lack of gumbo recipes in this thread.
 
2014-03-11 12:00:26 PM  

macadamnut: [i512.photobucket.com image 500x496]


At whatever percentage they agree to?

Now, stop whining and get a job.
 
2014-03-11 12:00:37 PM  

theflatline: Nabb1: theflatline: CruJones: crawfish

Ah, last time I checked crawfish were fresh water creatures raised in ponds inland.

Yes, they are, and thanks to numerous spells of unusually cold weather down here, those little mudbugs are quite expensive this year.

I worked crawfishing in Thibodaux in college for a few weeks back in 91, fark all that noise, I would rather be beat with whips rowing a slave ship.

Back breaking labor avoiding gators and snakes but the plus side our bosses idea of a bonus program was "you can keep all the frogs you can catch".

I went back to bartending.


That's some funny shiat right there. One of the things that kept me motivated to finish college was the trips I would make on a grouper boats over the summers. Nice for the first few days, then it starts to get bad.
 
2014-03-11 12:00:55 PM  

Shtetl G: Here is my my go to shramp marinade:

1/3 of a cup of good extra virgin olive oil
4 or 5 cloves of fresh garlic through the micro plane
the juice of 1 lime
a couple of splashes of soy sauce and hot sauce
Fresh ground black pepper (1tsp)

Whisk until emulsified.  Marinade 1lb of shrimp for 20 minutes (the little buggers really absorb the flavor).  Grill 2 to 3 minutes per side on a red hot charcoal grill.  Savor the flavor of exploitation.


You left out the 1/4 c of Slave's tears - it adds the salty sweet flavor to the dish others lack...
 
2014-03-11 12:02:38 PM  

what_now: There is a disappointing lack of gumbo recipes in this thread.


Team jambalaya!
 
2014-03-11 12:04:09 PM  
Old and busted: Meat is Murder. New hotness: Shrimp is Slavery.

/the entitlements will grow until WWIII is started over them
//after that, it will all be sticks and stones
 
2014-03-11 12:05:01 PM  

Nabb1: When I lived in Charleston, everyone knew that hole area was where tourists went to eat fried seafood platters. I used to go down to a little place just before you got to Folly Beach from James Island and there was a shop at a small dock where some shrimp boats would come in. You could get head-on shrimp for $1.25 a pound. Being poor and in college, we'd pool our money, get some seasoning, a case of beer, and peel and boil those things on a Saturday. There was something great about being broke and still knowing that you were eating shrimp that had been swimming in the ocean twelve hours ago.


A buddy in college was from IOP.  His dad owned one of those shrimp boats, so we'd get the most amazing, huge, wonderful shrimp that was so fresh their families hadn't even noticed they were missing.

/and, subby, I've been informed by fark that only southern white men have ever been responsible for slavery
 
2014-03-11 12:05:50 PM  
While Thailand's seafood slave labor is deplorable, it's probably nowhere near what African blood diamond workers experience.
 
2014-03-11 12:06:49 PM  

what_now: There is a disappointing lack of gumbo recipes in this thread.


If I had my mother-in-law's seafood gumbo recipe handy, I would post it because it is awesome.
 
2014-03-11 12:07:10 PM  

macadamnut: [i512.photobucket.com image 500x496]


When the laborer can freely find other employment it is not slavery. The ability to walk away creates the ability to negotiate wages.
 
2014-03-11 12:08:10 PM  
Well,  we aren't the policemen of the world.    So Salon will have to get over the fact that I eat food from where ever the FARK I want.
 
2014-03-11 12:15:56 PM  

stonelotus: raise your hand if you've ever peed on a cow.



*raises hand*
...may or may not have been during a time we looked for mushrooms while drunk. Could have been another time, but I've definitely peed on a cow.

It's funny the way Fark brings out these memories.
 
2014-03-11 12:16:05 PM  
Here in Seattle, the grocery stores generally sell the peel-and-eat white shrimp from Thailand and the bigger, more expensive gulf shrimp. There is a big shrimping season for Hood Canal, but I don't think they have a commercial fishery. Anyway, not only is the Gulf shrimp AT LEAST twice as expensive, but it also tends to be mushy compared to the firm, plump little Thai buggers.

The other thing about this exploited worker situation is that it represents a very small percentage of the workers. The article halfway admits that, but it says there are 25,000 registered fishing vessels and that the estimated victim count is in the 1000's. That's past and current victims. It's deplorable, of course, but it means the vast majority of workers are legit. Considering we had the article just yesterday about American turkey farms using developmentally-challenged adults as indentured servants, I think we shouldn't be so quick to condemn Asian seafood producers.
 
2014-03-11 12:19:02 PM  
I'm conflicted.  The Bible is against shellfish but pro slavery.  What to do, what to do.

/I'll ponder it while having gay sex
 
2014-03-11 12:20:14 PM  

R.A.Danny: Nabb1: stonelotus: raise your hand if you've ever peed in the ocean.  now raise your hand if you've ever peed on a cow.

fark your nasty seafood.

Do cows not shiat and piss in the very pastures they roam and eat grass?

Absolutely every bit of non-solar energy that we consume has been shiat in one form or another in the past. There are no plants without shiat. There is no food without shiat. Shiat is the most important thing we produce.


Shiat run Bartertown!
 
2014-03-11 12:23:32 PM  
Wasn't it Romney, "They should get jobs"?

O, that was the Poor.
never mind
 
2014-03-11 12:24:13 PM  

snocone: R.A.Danny: Nabb1: stonelotus: raise your hand if you've ever peed in the ocean.  now raise your hand if you've ever peed on a cow.

fark your nasty seafood.

Do cows not shiat and piss in the very pastures they roam and eat grass?

Absolutely every bit of non-solar energy that we consume has been shiat in one form or another in the past. There are no plants without shiat. There is no food without shiat. Shiat is the most important thing we produce.

Shiat run Bartertown!


This planet runs like Bartertown.
 
2014-03-11 12:27:41 PM  

R.A.Danny: snocone: R.A.Danny: Nabb1: stonelotus: raise your hand if you've ever peed in the ocean.  now raise your hand if you've ever peed on a cow.

fark your nasty seafood.

Do cows not shiat and piss in the very pastures they roam and eat grass?

Absolutely every bit of non-solar energy that we consume has been shiat in one form or another in the past. There are no plants without shiat. There is no food without shiat. Shiat is the most important thing we produce.

Shiat run Bartertown!

This planet runs like Bartertown.


Right down to the tiny fist.

EMBARGO ON!
 
2014-03-11 12:28:16 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: 5. Consumers don't seem to care

Dear Salon writer:   Inconvenient truth: consumers can't research every. single. item. they purchase in order to see where it comes from.


Even after reading the article, odds are most won't change their seafood habits, let alone try to increase the awareness of others.

i.e. Consumers don't seem to care.
 
2014-03-11 12:30:34 PM  

macadamnut: [i512.photobucket.com image 500x496]


At the point where the employee can negtotiate a fair market price for his labor it is no longer slavery.


/Glad I could help
 
2014-03-11 12:30:37 PM  

kaseyfarksdaladies: I'm conflicted.  The Bible is against shellfish but pro slavery.  What to do, what to do.

/I'll ponder it while having gay sex


Ummm...I think the ban on shellfish is for people of the Jewish faith.
 
2014-03-11 12:32:17 PM  

offmymeds: kaseyfarksdaladies: I'm conflicted.  The Bible is against shellfish but pro slavery.  What to do, what to do.

/I'll ponder it while having gay sex

Ummm...I think the ban on shellfish is for people of the Jewish faith.


IT'S IN LEVITICUS, HEATHEN!
 
2014-03-11 12:34:22 PM  

FLMountainMan: That article was likely typed on a computer made by slaves.


Yea, I noticed that. Why would anyone use that font?
 
2014-03-11 12:36:22 PM  

kaseyfarksdaladies: offmymeds: kaseyfarksdaladies: I'm conflicted.  The Bible is against shellfish but pro slavery.  What to do, what to do.

/I'll ponder it while having gay sex

Ummm...I think the ban on shellfish is for people of the Jewish faith.

IT'S IN LEVITICUS, HEATHEN!


Old Testament laws don't apply to Christians, except for the Ten Commandments.  The whole point of Christianity is that Jesus broke the old Jewish covenants to establish a new one.
 
2014-03-11 12:37:54 PM  

what_now: There is a disappointing lack of gumbo recipes in this thread.


I won't post the whole recipe, but here's a link.
 
2014-03-11 12:40:50 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: kaseyfarksdaladies: offmymeds: kaseyfarksdaladies: I'm conflicted.  The Bible is against shellfish but pro slavery.  What to do, what to do.

/I'll ponder it while having gay sex

Ummm...I think the ban on shellfish is for people of the Jewish faith.

IT'S IN LEVITICUS, HEATHEN!

Old Testament laws don't apply to Christians, except for the Ten Commandments.  The whole point of Christianity is that Jesus broke the old Jewish covenants to establish a new one.


Um, no. You sort of missed the point. Jesus fulfilled the covenant. That's why there are all those references back to the Old Testament in the New Testament.
 
2014-03-11 12:41:23 PM  
add this to the list of shiat I don't care about.

they are "slaves" Don't give me that. She don't make enough money that she can quit.
 
2014-03-11 12:41:42 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: kaseyfarksdaladies: offmymeds: kaseyfarksdaladies: I'm conflicted.  The Bible is against shellfish but pro slavery.  What to do, what to do.

/I'll ponder it while having gay sex

Ummm...I think the ban on shellfish is for people of the Jewish faith.

IT'S IN LEVITICUS, HEATHEN!

Old Testament laws don't apply to Christians, except for the Ten Commandments.  The whole point of Christianity is that Jesus broke the old Jewish covenants to establish a new one.


Even then you'd be hard pressed to find someone who hasn't broken at least one of the commandments, including kaseyfarksdaladies.
 
2014-03-11 12:43:08 PM  
I haven't eaten shrimp in a decade. Once i realized it was the equivalent of clear-cutting a forest to get the deer, I have completely avoided it.

Shrimping leaves behind vast underwater deserts. Farm raising shrimp has its own host of problems.

/not some hippy, I just don't feel like supporting an industry that ruins everything it touches.
 
2014-03-11 12:45:55 PM  
offmymeds: Kraftwerk Orange: kaseyfarksdaladies: offmymeds: kaseyfarksdaladies: I'm conflicted.  The Bible is against shellfish but pro slavery.  What to do, what to do.

/I'll ponder it while having gay sex

Ummm...I think the ban on shellfish is for people of the Jewish faith.

IT'S IN LEVITICUS, HEATHEN!

Old Testament laws don't apply to Christians, except for the Ten Commandments.  The whole point of Christianity is that Jesus broke the old Jewish covenants to establish a new one.

Even then you'd be hard pressed to find someone who hasn't broken at least one of the commandments, including especially kaseyfarksdaladies.

Agreeing with pkellmey.  The OT wasn't thrown out the window for Christians.
 
2014-03-11 12:47:17 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: macadamnut: [i512.photobucket.com image 500x496]

At the point where the employee can negtotiate a fair market price for his labor it is no longer slavery.


/Glad I could help


Slaves are paid market price for their labor. The market price just happens to be $0.
 
2014-03-11 12:47:25 PM  
www.foodrepublic.com

www.united-academics.org
 
2014-03-11 12:47:28 PM  

pkellmey: Kraftwerk Orange: kaseyfarksdaladies: offmymeds: kaseyfarksdaladies: I'm conflicted.  The Bible is against shellfish but pro slavery.  What to do, what to do.

/I'll ponder it while having gay sex

Ummm...I think the ban on shellfish is for people of the Jewish faith.

IT'S IN LEVITICUS, HEATHEN!

Old Testament laws don't apply to Christians, except for the Ten Commandments.  The whole point of Christianity is that Jesus broke the old Jewish covenants to establish a new one.

Um, no. You sort of missed the point. Jesus fulfilled the covenant. That's why there are all those references back to the Old Testament in the New Testament.


Ok, yes.  He fulfilled the old covenants, releasing the obligations to follow them.  He then created a new covenant, that was much less based on rules and laws (Jewish tradition) and more based on being nice to each other.
 
2014-03-11 12:49:19 PM  

That Guy Jeff: Rapmaster2000: That Guy Jeff: I will, thank you. Mmmm. I wondering if the slavery is what makes them taste so good? Oh well, who cares. I think I'll get sushi for dinner now.

LOL,  Asian shrimp tastes terrible.  You have bad taste.

Oh, this will be good. Please, enlighten me as to what "asian shrimp" is.


If you weren't some broke schlub from the sticks you would know this.
 
2014-03-11 12:51:44 PM  

FLMountainMan: That article was likely typed on a computer made by slaves.


i218.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-11 12:58:04 PM  

Nabb1: I buy only locally caught Gulf shrimp.


That's the correct answer. Safer for you, too. I would also accept "Canadian or American" wild seafood and certified farmed seafood. The fisheries in Alaska are among the most sustainable and least damaging, while even farmed shrimp is likely to be a lot cleaner and environmentally-friendly in the US and Canada.

Asian shrimp are often farmed under horrible circumstances (pollution, antibiotics, slavery) or caught by trawlers which scour the sea floor, destroying everything in their wake. I've seen aerial and satellite photos of the mud stirred up by trawler fleets. Not pretty.

I love seafood so I am loathe to give it up, but there's not a lot of "clean" seafood. The well-to-do nations have laws and inspections and so forth to encourage best practices. South East Asia is the worst for wanton destructiveness and low health and worker safety standards.

Not doubt part of this is the result of poverty--massive populations have to be fed cheaply until they can afford to think about things like safety, work conditions, and the environment. But we should definitely discourage this sort of thing as much as our small influence can make things better for people and the environment.

I don't go so far as to boycott all seafood, but I would like mine to be safe and sound environmentally as well as economically. To my thinking, economics is a sub-set of ecology. It's man-made ecology, and it should be made to last like Mother Nature's fine, resilient work.
 
2014-03-11 12:58:58 PM  
Oh Lord, more of this.

As stated yesterday- this is hardly new. What is surprising is that there are some fresh caught shrimp in SE Asia.

This is only a surprise for the uneducated, or those with Social Science, IT, Humanities degrees.

We don't want to face certain ugly truths because they would be very inconvenient. Normies (most of you), don't want to take the medicine required to remedy this. So we publish old, outdated, known information in order to spread the word- it's the First World thing to do. If we can educate others, then we've done our part! Woooo!

Try shopping all First World, with products manufactured with parts grown/produced in the same First World country. It's harder than you'd imagine, and you'd never be online to read this.

So rather than poo-poo slavery, let's face facts: The author was only able to Spread the Word(tm) by the use of slave labor. The author is probably clothed by slave labor, and fed by slave labor as well.

We love, we adore slavery. If we didn't, what would we do to change things other than hope/pray some "one" in a position of power will take the steps necessary?
 
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