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2014-03-11 09:28:08 AM  
I buy only locally caught Gulf shrimp.
 
2014-03-11 09:52:13 AM  
Things made with slave labor (this is not an exhaustive list):

Coffee
Chocolate
Clothing
Cell phones
Computers
Diamonds and Gold
Sugar
Cotton (go figure, the poster product of slavery)
Pretty much anything made in China
Shrimp

Here's a harsh reality. Slavery runs the world. If you make over 35k, you are the 1%. If you make over 70k you are the 0.1%. In fact, according to the U.N. nearly half the world's population, 2.8 billion people, earn less than $2 a day and according to the World Bank, 95% of those living in the developing world earn less than $10 a day.

So yeah. Most of the people in our world are basically slaves. That doesn't mean we shouldn't work to improve our conditions or theirs, but merely to acknowledge the fact that forced slavery and wage slavery is probably roughly the equivalent when you're talking half the world earning less than 2 bucks a day.
 
2014-03-11 09:52:56 AM  
I only buy shrimp from the Gulf Coast, so.. not quite slaves.
 
2014-03-11 09:55:09 AM  

Nabb1: I buy only locally caught Gulf shrimp.


HEB carries wild caught Gulf 10-12s in 2# bags...it's all I buy. But I'm sure that I buy some slave labor products and as is was so succinctly put:

bdub77: Here's a harsh reality. Slavery runs the world. If you make over 35k, you are the 1%. If you make over 70k you are the 0.1%. In fact, according to the U.N. nearly half the world's population, 2.8 billion people, earn less than $2 a day and according to the World Bank, 95% of those living in the developing world earn less than $10 a day.

So yeah. Most of the people in our world are basically slaves. That doesn't mean we shouldn't work to improve our conditions or theirs, but merely to acknowledge the fact that forced slavery and wage slavery is probably roughly the equivalent when you're talking half the world earning less than 2 bucks a day.

 
2014-03-11 10:00:27 AM  
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2014-03-11 10:04:41 AM  

bdub77: Here's a harsh reality. Slavery runs the world. If you make over 35k, you are the 1%. If you make over 70k you are the 0.1%. In fact, according to the U.N. nearly half the world's population, 2.8 billion people, earn less than $2 a day and according to the World Bank, 95% of those living in the developing world earn less than $10 a day.


Yup. I try to be conscious of this in the things I use the most of - coffee, clothing, food- but the reality is that even in this country most of the agricultural work is done by illegal immigrants. And while they aren't slaves, they make very little money and have no protection or recourse from abuse. Let's call them "serfs".

You buy anything from Walmart? Slave made. You buy anything that was grown, picked, or processed in the South West? Serf made.

Unless every single thing you consume is made by hand- or by someone who's workers you personally know- you're contributing to slavery. Eventually, you have to learn to live with that.

/don't buy diamonds though- even lab created. No one needs diamonds.
 
2014-03-11 10:20:30 AM  

what_now: Yup. I try to be conscious of this in the things I use the most of - coffee, clothing, food- but the reality is that even in this country most of the agricultural work is done by illegal immigrants. And while they aren't slaves, they make very little money and have no protection or recourse from abuse. Let's call them "serfs".

You buy anything from Walmart? Slave made. You buy anything that was grown, picked, or processed in the South West? Serf made.

Unless every single thing you consume is made by hand- or by someone who's workers you personally know- you're contributing to slavery. Eventually, you have to learn to live with that.


Arn't we dealing with economies of scale here? Yes they're making 2 dollars a day, but it's not like they are living in downtown Boston.

I'm not saying there isn't crushing poverty in the world, but just because someone is making very few USD doesn't mean they are poor. Compare cost of living within our own borders. You can't live on minimum wage in New York, NY but you can survive in Tulsa, OK and if you live in Beaumont, MS you own the damn town.
 
2014-03-11 10:25:56 AM  
Friends don't let friends eat imported shrimp, sayeth the bumper stickers around here.  The article deals with the human costs of imported shrimp, but there's also a staggering environmental cost (which TFA may also have mentioned).
 
2014-03-11 10:26:16 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Arn't we dealing with economies of scale here? Yes they're making 2 dollars a day, but it's not like they are living in downtown Boston.


Well of course. $2 a day is apparently enough to buy a family a goat, according to commercials that I see. But that doesn't mean that there aren't people living in slavery or near slavery conditions who produce the goods and products that I consume.
 
2014-03-11 10:37:36 AM  
I've been told by top men that slavery isn't all that bad and that a lot of slave owners treat their slaves like family, so don't worry about it.
 
2014-03-11 10:38:52 AM  
F*ck SALON.

dnrtfa
 
2014-03-11 10:39:27 AM  
If I did not do the purchasing of these they would not have the food. They should send to me the thanking of you card.
 
2014-03-11 10:40:42 AM  
I eat local Spot Prawns
 
2014-03-11 10:40:43 AM  
No, I don't eat seafood from Thailand.  All scrimps and crawfish eaten 'round here are from the gulf.

Stay away from Captain D's and this may be less of an issue.
 
2014-03-11 10:42:15 AM  
So Red Lobster has to pay reparations?
 
2014-03-11 10:42:15 AM  
ipads slipped into the US consciousness, then right back out, conveniently.
 
2014-03-11 10:42:35 AM  
img2u.info
 
2014-03-11 10:42:50 AM  
notquitecountrygirl.typepad.com

Anyway, like I was sayin', shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey's uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich. That- that's about it.
 
2014-03-11 10:42:55 AM  
Ah eet Gulf skrimps.

/Well, ah used ta.
 
2014-03-11 10:45:12 AM  
I'll bet you thought this was just another Simpson's gag.

OTTO
Ho! Thank the good dude I'm saved. And we can go back for the kids too.

Two fisherman converse in an East-Asian language.

FISHERMAN 1
(subtitle) Do we need another slave laborer in the cannery?

FISHERMAN 2
(subtitle) You can never have too many slave laborers.


    -- Simpsons 'Das Bus' -- Episode 5F11 Season 9 -- Air Date February 15, 1998
 
2014-03-11 10:45:17 AM  
That article was likely typed on a computer made by slaves.
 
2014-03-11 10:46:55 AM  

Nabb1: I buy only locally caught Gulf shrimp.


Amen.

And ...

5 reasons slaves still catch your seafood dinner.

Huh?  That's a bit assumptive.  It's been a long long time since a slave caught my seafood dinner.
 
2014-03-11 10:47:18 AM  
Shrimp is the plastic of the sea.
 
2014-03-11 10:47:33 AM  
Well, Thais can at least reincarnate as an oligarch, so there's that.
 
2014-03-11 10:51:16 AM  

FLMountainMan: That article was likely typed on a computer made by slaves.



Free Bobo
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-03-11 10:52:51 AM  
I remember a news report about how Red Lobster got their "seafood". It seemed pretty much like how this story went but instead of Asia it was South America.
 
2014-03-11 10:54:31 AM  
This is where my skrimps come from:
blog.nature.org
 
2014-03-11 10:55:31 AM  

what_now: bdub77: Here's a harsh reality. Slavery runs the world. If you make over 35k, you are the 1%. If you make over 70k you are the 0.1%. In fact, according to the U.N. nearly half the world's population, 2.8 billion people, earn less than $2 a day and according to the World Bank, 95% of those living in the developing world earn less than $10 a day.

Yup. I try to be conscious of this in the things I use the most of - coffee, clothing, food- but the reality is that even in this country most of the agricultural work is done by illegal immigrants. And while they aren't slaves, they make very little money and have no protection or recourse from abuse. Let's call them "serfs".

You buy anything from Walmart? Slave made. You buy anything that was grown, picked, or processed in the South West? Serf made.

Unless every single thing you consume is made by hand- or by someone who's workers you personally know- you're contributing to slavery. Eventually, you have to learn to live with that.

/don't buy diamonds though- even lab created. No one needs diamonds.


THIS and other things like THIS.
Everyone lives in a country that was won by conquest.
And before a first nation chimes in, want to BET that your tribe conquered the tribe that was living there before you and we just dont have a record of it?

Should I care that white people stole america from non-white people? meh
Should I care that there were slaves in the past history of every nation? meh
Should I care injustice happens? meh

I wish we could fix all these problems. I will think twice about thai shrimp from now on, that's for sure.
But can I check everything? NOPE

I guess I could kill myself.

/grandparents were immigrants, so america isnt my fault.
/IF you are going to argue fruits of stolen property by going back to year X, I can argue we should go back 2X years and see who you stole the property from. It is only fair.
 
2014-03-11 10:56:57 AM  
Slavery; because without it, Capitalism would never work.
 
2014-03-11 10:57:50 AM  

pkellmey: So Red Lobster has to pay reparations?


Is there ever an end to reparations? Or do they got back 4 billion years or so?
 
2014-03-11 10:57:57 AM  
Maybe if we weep our bleeding little hearts out for them their conditions will improve.

Oh, sorry no time for that I've got a diamond encrusted IPhone to purchase. Maybe I'll eat shrimp and drink a coffee on the way.
 
2014-03-11 10:58:08 AM  
People still pay for prawn?
 
2014-03-11 10:59:07 AM  

what_now: I only buy shrimp from the Gulf Coast, so.. not quite slaves.


Got over your worries about BP oil-infused shrimp finally? Good. I thought I was going to have to get a friend of mine from Wildlife and Fisheries to beat you with a wet noodle. Besides, imported shrimp are farmed in very specious conditions, hardly regulated, and seldom tested for contaminants. Many shrimp operations have them growing in waters tainted by chemicals and raw sewage. Not to mention they often have an unpleasant heavy iodine taste to them. So, between slave labor, poop, toxic chemicals, and bad taste, there's no reason to eat imported shrimp.
 
2014-03-11 10:59:46 AM  

bdub77: Things made with slave labor (this is not an exhaustive list):

Coffee
Chocolate
Clothing
Cell phones
Computers
Diamonds and Gold
Sugar
Cotton (go figure, the poster product of slavery)
Pretty much anything made in China
Shrimp

Here's a harsh reality. Slavery runs the world. If you make over 35k, you are the 1%. If you make over 70k you are the 0.1%. In fact, according to the U.N. nearly half the world's population, 2.8 billion people, earn less than $2 a day and according to the World Bank, 95% of those living in the developing world earn less than $10 a day.

So yeah. Most of the people in our world are basically slaves. That doesn't mean we shouldn't work to improve our conditions or theirs, but merely to acknowledge the fact that forced slavery and wage slavery is probably roughly the equivalent when you're talking half the world earning less than 2 bucks a day.


you forgot IPHONES. there is documented proof that apple uses slave labor in china. samsung? not so much...
 
2014-03-11 11:00:33 AM  

CruJones: No, I don't eat seafood from Thailand.  All scrimps and crawfish eaten 'round here are from the gulf.

Stay away from Captain D's and this may be less of an issue.


You had me until "stay away from captain D's"!!
 
2014-03-11 11:00:38 AM  

ajgeek: Slavery; because without it, Capitalism would never work.


As opposed to communism?  C'mon, think these things through a little more.
 
2014-03-11 11:01:27 AM  
If I could make one change to human DNA it would be to make downtrodden people instinctively band together and destroy the people oppressing them. The tolerance and even admiration (republicans) we have for cruel and oppressive power is one of our worst traits.
 
2014-03-11 11:04:15 AM  

FLMountainMan: ajgeek: Slavery; because without it, Capitalism would never work.

As opposed to communism?  C'mon, think these things through a little more.


You don't really know what Communism is... do you? (Hint: None of the following countries were ever Communist: Soviet Union, China, N. Korea).
 
2014-03-11 11:06:19 AM  

Nabb1: what_now: I only buy shrimp from the Gulf Coast, so.. not quite slaves.

Got over your worries about BP oil-infused shrimp finally? Good. I thought I was going to have to get a friend of mine from Wildlife and Fisheries to beat you with a wet noodle. Besides, imported shrimp are farmed in very specious conditions, hardly regulated, and seldom tested for contaminants. Many shrimp operations have them growing in waters tainted by chemicals and raw sewage. Not to mention they often have an unpleasant heavy iodine taste to them. So, between slave labor, poop, toxic chemicals, and bad taste, there's no reason to eat imported shrimp.


It took a while for me to eat any shrimp, honestly. I'm from New England- I'm pretty picky about my seafood. I just found out about the Thai shrimp situation a few months ago, but I generally refuse to eat any seafood that wasn't swimming relatively close to me.

For instance, I will never eat (salt water) fish in the Midwest. There's just no need.
 
2014-03-11 11:06:33 AM  

xtech: bdub77: Things made with slave labor (this is not an exhaustive list):

Coffee
Chocolate
Clothing
Cell phones
Computers
Diamonds and Gold
Sugar
Cotton (go figure, the poster product of slavery)
Pretty much anything made in China
Shrimp

Here's a harsh reality. Slavery runs the world. If you make over 35k, you are the 1%. If you make over 70k you are the 0.1%. In fact, according to the U.N. nearly half the world's population, 2.8 billion people, earn less than $2 a day and according to the World Bank, 95% of those living in the developing world earn less than $10 a day.

So yeah. Most of the people in our world are basically slaves. That doesn't mean we shouldn't work to improve our conditions or theirs, but merely to acknowledge the fact that forced slavery and wage slavery is probably roughly the equivalent when you're talking half the world earning less than 2 bucks a day.

you forgot IPHONES. there is documented proof that apple uses slave labor in china. samsung? not so much...


But Apple cares about the environment!

One of their longest running green initiatives is to mulch the least productive slaves each month. I can feel the seas stop rising and the land healing itself even as we speak.
 
2014-03-11 11:06:34 AM  

hitlersbrain: If I could make one change to human DNA it would be to make downtrodden people instinctively band together and destroy the people oppressing them. The tolerance and even admiration (republicans) we have for cruel and oppressive power is one of our worst traits.


I'll bite.

So you want to force people to resist being forced?
 
2014-03-11 11:06:35 AM  
cdn4.nwgimg.com
 
2014-03-11 11:06:41 AM  
Funny, I'm reading this from inside a small 4-walled grey structure where I spend 9 hours a day making someone else rich, in exchange for just enough resources to feed myself and have a place to sleep.
 
2014-03-11 11:07:28 AM  

what_now: Well of course. $2 a day is apparently enough to buy a family a goat, according to commercials that I see. But that doesn't mean that there aren't people living in slavery or near slavery conditions who produce the goods and products that I consume.


If you really want to believe that, that's fine. Whatever makes you happy.

I'm sure some of the items I buy arn't union made so there for it was made by oppressed people. Remember most "slaves" you're talking about have other options. Not very good ones I'll admit but options never the less.
 
2014-03-11 11:07:28 AM  

Nabb1: there's no reason to eat imported shrimp.


The entire imported seafood thing bugs me, I only buy stuff caught in North America, I just don't food safety laws and proper shipping techniques of countries 5000+ miles away.
 
2014-03-11 11:07:35 AM  
Almost all of the victims are smuggled from destitute villages in Myanmar...

It will always be Burma to me.
 
2014-03-11 11:08:18 AM  

WTFDYW: F*ck SALON.

dnrtfa


Agreed. I try to read them on my phone and they must assume I'm old and blind because the text is so large. Their assumption is right, but I am offended.

/slave shrimp is the best kind
 
2014-03-11 11:08:34 AM  
Here is my my go to shramp marinade:

1/3 of a cup of good extra virgin olive oil
4 or 5 cloves of fresh garlic through the micro plane
the juice of 1 lime
a couple of splashes of soy sauce and hot sauce
Fresh ground black pepper (1tsp)

Whisk until emulsified.  Marinade 1lb of shrimp for 20 minutes (the little buggers really absorb the flavor).  Grill 2 to 3 minutes per side on a red hot charcoal grill.  Savor the flavor of exploitation.
 
2014-03-11 11:08:35 AM  
Thailand is not the South as subby implies

/racist
 
2014-03-11 11:08:53 AM  
I buy farm raised shrimp which is happily destroying the local ecology.
 
2014-03-11 11:09:15 AM  

Tom_Slick: Nabb1: there's no reason to eat imported shrimp.

The entire imported seafood thing bugs me, I only buy stuff caught in North America, I just don't food safety laws and proper shipping techniques of countries 5000+ miles away.


I've been adopting that policy more and more. Coffee is a hard one, so I do put some effort into finding out about what I am buying.
 
2014-03-11 11:09:58 AM  

hitlersbrain: FLMountainMan: ajgeek: Slavery; because without it, Capitalism would never work.

As opposed to communism?  C'mon, think these things through a little more.

You don't really know what Communism is... do you? (Hint: None of the following countries were ever Communist: Soviet Union, China, N. Korea).


I met a Scotsman who was communist once.  True story.
 
2014-03-11 11:11:06 AM  

hitlersbrain: If I could make one change to human DNA it would be to make downtrodden people instinctively band together and destroy the people oppressing them.


Chances are, you'd qualify to be one of the people that the downtrodden would destroy.
 
2014-03-11 11:11:09 AM  

Evil Mackerel: hitlersbrain: If I could make one change to human DNA it would be to make downtrodden people instinctively band together and destroy the people oppressing them. The tolerance and even admiration (republicans) we have for cruel and oppressive power is one of our worst traits.

I'll bite.

So you want to force people to resist being forced?


I think he forgot about every revolution ever, but that may be the oppressive republican in me, it's much better to centralize all industry and power in the government of course
 
2014-03-11 11:13:30 AM  

hitlersbrain: If I could make one change to human DNA it would be to make downtrodden people instinctively band together and destroy the people oppressing them. The tolerance and even admiration (republicans) we have for cruel and oppressive power is one of our worst traits.


History is full of revolutions by the downtrodden. It's not an issue of DNA, but a matter of extraneous factors.
 
2014-03-11 11:13:54 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Almost all of the victims are smuggled from destitute villages in Myanmar...

It will always be Burma to me.


It was Imperial first
The Brits had it next
They gained independence
but now it's a wreck
Bur-Myanmar
 
2014-03-11 11:14:38 AM  

what_now: Nabb1: what_now: I only buy shrimp from the Gulf Coast, so.. not quite slaves.

Got over your worries about BP oil-infused shrimp finally? Good. I thought I was going to have to get a friend of mine from Wildlife and Fisheries to beat you with a wet noodle. Besides, imported shrimp are farmed in very specious conditions, hardly regulated, and seldom tested for contaminants. Many shrimp operations have them growing in waters tainted by chemicals and raw sewage. Not to mention they often have an unpleasant heavy iodine taste to them. So, between slave labor, poop, toxic chemicals, and bad taste, there's no reason to eat imported shrimp.

It took a while for me to eat any shrimp, honestly. I'm from New England- I'm pretty picky about my seafood. I just found out about the Thai shrimp situation a few months ago, but I generally refuse to eat any seafood that wasn't swimming relatively close to me.

For instance, I will never eat (salt water) fish in the Midwest. There's just no need.


Oysters ship surprisingly well as long as they stay on ice.
 
2014-03-11 11:14:57 AM  
Well, duh. Shrimp just isn't the same if it isn't infused with the tears of a peasant.
 
2014-03-11 11:14:58 AM  
Abe Vigoda's Ghost Almost all of the victims are smuggled from destitute villages in Myanmar... It will always be Burma to me.25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-03-11 11:15:29 AM  
I find child labor improves the taste of shrimp.
 
2014-03-11 11:16:12 AM  
I get my shrimp from some tard and gymp down on the gulf...

You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey's uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich. That- that's about it
 
2014-03-11 11:17:32 AM  
5. Consumers don't seem to care

Dear Salon writer:   Inconvenient truth: consumers can't research every. single. item. they purchase in order to see where it comes from.
 
2014-03-11 11:18:58 AM  
media1.giphy.com
 
2014-03-11 11:19:13 AM  

xtech: bdub77: Things made with slave labor (this is not an exhaustive list):

Coffee
Chocolate
Clothing
Cell phones
Computers
Diamonds and Gold
Sugar
Cotton (go figure, the poster product of slavery)
Pretty much anything made in China
Shrimp

Here's a harsh reality. Slavery runs the world. If you make over 35k, you are the 1%. If you make over 70k you are the 0.1%. In fact, according to the U.N. nearly half the world's population, 2.8 billion people, earn less than $2 a day and according to the World Bank, 95% of those living in the developing world earn less than $10 a day.

So yeah. Most of the people in our world are basically slaves. That doesn't mean we shouldn't work to improve our conditions or theirs, but merely to acknowledge the fact that forced slavery and wage slavery is probably roughly the equivalent when you're talking half the world earning less than 2 bucks a day.

you forgot IPHONES. there is documented proof that apple uses slave labor in china. samsung? not so much...


I said cell phones. Also, most cell phone manufacturers use minerals mined from slave labor mines in Africa. And you don't think the working conditions at Samsung are nearly as bad as Foxconn?
 
2014-03-11 11:19:42 AM  
I pay taxes, doesn't that make me a slave too?
 
2014-03-11 11:21:08 AM  
I buy shrimp fresh off of the boat for a few bucks a pound, so getting a kick...
 
2014-03-11 11:22:19 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: hitlersbrain: If I could make one change to human DNA it would be to make downtrodden people instinctively band together and destroy the people oppressing them.

Chances are, you'd qualify to be one of the people that the downtrodden would destroy.


Everybody wants to rule the world... but nobody should.

/my slaves would not be sweaty, stinky fishermen. I'd be more like Sardu the guy in Bloodsucking Freaks.
 
2014-03-11 11:22:21 AM  

Devo: I find child labor improves the taste of shrimp.


Their tears adds that special flavor.
 
2014-03-11 11:23:20 AM  
I'd have to care first.
 
2014-03-11 11:23:30 AM  
I will, thank you. Mmmm. I wondering if the slavery is what makes them taste so good? Oh well, who cares. I think I'll get sushi for dinner now.
 
2014-03-11 11:23:58 AM  

highbrow45: I pay taxes, doesn't that make me a slave too?


I hear there are great opportunities for fishermen in thailand... tax free!
 
2014-03-11 11:24:01 AM  
Not a single restaurant on this famous shrimper's dock actually serves local caught shrimp.  Only The Wreck does, located just a little further down, which while considered one of the best taste-wise, also constantly gets complaints from locals about being "over-priced".

www.charlestonartmarket.com
 
2014-03-11 11:24:06 AM  

highbrow45: I pay taxes, doesn't that make me a slave too?


A slave to FOX News, apparently.
 
2014-03-11 11:24:13 AM  
First: Shrimp are not made by slaves...They are made because a mommy shrimp and a daddy shrimp loved each other very much.

Second: Buy local...

Well, unless you're from Thailand. Then it's, apparently, still bad.
 
2014-03-11 11:24:55 AM  
raise your hand if you've ever peed in the ocean.  now raise your hand if you've ever peed on a cow.

fark your nasty seafood.
 
2014-03-11 11:25:21 AM  

bdub77: xtech: bdub77: Things made with slave labor (this is not an exhaustive list):

Coffee
Chocolate
Clothing
Cell phones
Computers
Diamonds and Gold
Sugar
Cotton (go figure, the poster product of slavery)
Pretty much anything made in China
Shrimp

Here's a harsh reality. Slavery runs the world. If you make over 35k, you are the 1%. If you make over 70k you are the 0.1%. In fact, according to the U.N. nearly half the world's population, 2.8 billion people, earn less than $2 a day and according to the World Bank, 95% of those living in the developing world earn less than $10 a day.

So yeah. Most of the people in our world are basically slaves. That doesn't mean we shouldn't work to improve our conditions or theirs, but merely to acknowledge the fact that forced slavery and wage slavery is probably roughly the equivalent when you're talking half the world earning less than 2 bucks a day.

you forgot IPHONES. there is documented proof that apple uses slave labor in china. samsung? not so much...

I said cell phones. Also, most cell phone manufacturers use minerals mined from slave labor mines in Africa. And you don't think the working conditions at Samsung are nearly as bad as Foxconn?


if they were, we'd hear about it on the news like we do apple and slave labor.

maybe samsung is better at hiding it? idk, but apple has a lot of well documented cases against it for using slave labor.

samsung has documented ALLEGATIONS going back to 2011/2012. since then, a few random cases (2?) showed up, but it seems like samsung cleaned up its act. apple? not so much. still using the same factories where people jump to their deaths, where kids are pulled out of school and made to work at the factories, and if they dont they mysteriously find their college funding non-existent, or their families suddenly have the gov't knocking on their door.
 
2014-03-11 11:26:25 AM  

demarke: Evil Mackerel: hitlersbrain: If I could make one change to human DNA it would be to make downtrodden people instinctively band together and destroy the people oppressing them. The tolerance and even admiration (republicans) we have for cruel and oppressive power is one of our worst traits.

I'll bite.

So you want to force people to resist being forced?

I think he forgot about every revolution ever, but that may be the oppressive republican in me, it's much better to centralize all industry and power in the government of course


Also, Napoleon Pig learned to walk upright.
 
2014-03-11 11:26:53 AM  

That Guy Jeff: I will, thank you. Mmmm. I wondering if the slavery is what makes them taste so good? Oh well, who cares. I think I'll get sushi for dinner now.


LOL,  Asian shrimp tastes terrible.  You have bad taste.
 
2014-03-11 11:27:12 AM  

stonelotus: raise your hand if you've ever peed in the ocean.  now raise your hand if you've ever peed on a cow.

fark your nasty seafood.


You've apparently avoided all knowledge of modern cattle feed lots. Good for you.
 
2014-03-11 11:28:00 AM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Not a single restaurant on this famous shrimper's dock actually serves local caught shrimp.  Only The Wreck does, located just a little further down, which while considered one of the best taste-wise, also constantly gets complaints from locals about being "over-priced".

[www.charlestonartmarket.com image 640x226]


When I lived in Charleston, everyone knew that hole area was where tourists went to eat fried seafood platters. I used to go down to a little place just before you got to Folly Beach from James Island and there was a shop at a small dock where some shrimp boats would come in. You could get head-on shrimp for $1.25 a pound. Being poor and in college, we'd pool our money, get some seasoning, a case of beer, and peel and boil those things on a Saturday. There was something great about being broke and still knowing that you were eating shrimp that had been swimming in the ocean twelve hours ago.
 
2014-03-11 11:29:04 AM  

stonelotus: raise your hand if you've ever peed in the ocean.  now raise your hand if you've ever peed on a cow.

fark your nasty seafood.


Do cows not shiat and piss in the very pastures they roam and eat grass?
 
2014-03-11 11:30:57 AM  

lockers: stonelotus: raise your hand if you've ever peed in the ocean.  now raise your hand if you've ever peed on a cow.

fark your nasty seafood.

You've apparently avoided all knowledge of modern cattle feed lots. Good for you.


It doesn't even have to be a modern feed lot, cows don't seem to be put off by their own or neighbors waste.

/Went to the old family dairy farm over 30 years ago, cows poop while being milked. It was funny to 5 year old.
 
2014-03-11 11:32:59 AM  

bdub77: Things made with slave labor (this is not an exhaustive list):

Coffee
Chocolate
Clothing
Cell phones
Computers
Diamonds and Gold
Sugar
Cotton (go figure, the poster product of slavery)
Pretty much anything made in China
Shrimp

Here's a harsh reality. Slavery runs the world. If you make over 35k, you are the 1%. If you make over 70k you are the 0.1%. In fact, according to the U.N. nearly half the world's population, 2.8 billion people, earn less than $2 a day and according to the World Bank, 95% of those living in the developing world earn less than $10 a day.

So yeah. Most of the people in our world are basically slaves. That doesn't mean we shouldn't work to improve our conditions or theirs, but merely to acknowledge the fact that forced slavery and wage slavery is probably roughly the equivalent when you're talking half the world earning less than 2 bucks a day.


Capitalism!
 
2014-03-11 11:33:04 AM  

Nabb1: hitlersbrain: If I could make one change to human DNA it would be to make downtrodden people instinctively band together and destroy the people oppressing them. The tolerance and even admiration (republicans) we have for cruel and oppressive power is one of our worst traits.

History is full of revolutions by the downtrodden. It's not an issue of DNA, but a matter of extraneous factors.


Unfortunately it was usually more of a changing of the guard... new king same as old king. Even today in the USA the fight goes on, with the help of the tea party we are poised to fall back into corporate sponsored fascism. Evolution favors those who can tolerate being slaves, same as evolution favors the livestock we slaughter for food. Evolution can really suck.
 
2014-03-11 11:33:09 AM  

Nabb1: I buy only locally caught Gulf shrimp.


Same here. I'll admit I buy a ring or two of cocktail shrimp from from grocery stores occasionally, but I trust locally caught stocks better if I'm serving it up to friends and family for simple reasons; I know where it's from and if there's PSP in the water I'll know about it. Also....the sidebar story how white women belly dancing is somehow racist is more interesting because....big butts and I can not lie.

/Thailand is not the south as already posted.
 
2014-03-11 11:33:50 AM  

Nabb1: stonelotus: raise your hand if you've ever peed in the ocean.  now raise your hand if you've ever peed on a cow.

fark your nasty seafood.

Do cows not shiat and piss in the very pastures they roam and eat grass?


Absolutely every bit of non-solar energy that we consume has been shiat in one form or another in the past. There are no plants without shiat. There is no food without shiat. Shiat is the most important thing we produce.
 
2014-03-11 11:34:12 AM  

stonelotus: raise your hand if you've ever peed in the ocean.  now raise your hand if you've ever peed on a cow.

fark your nasty seafood.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-11 11:36:59 AM  
Hurry, Up Shrimp!
 
2014-03-11 11:37:24 AM  

Nabb1: what_now: Nabb1: what_now: I only buy shrimp from the Gulf Coast, so.. not quite slaves.

Got over your worries about BP oil-infused shrimp finally? Good. I thought I was going to have to get a friend of mine from Wildlife and Fisheries to beat you with a wet noodle. Besides, imported shrimp are farmed in very specious conditions, hardly regulated, and seldom tested for contaminants. Many shrimp operations have them growing in waters tainted by chemicals and raw sewage. Not to mention they often have an unpleasant heavy iodine taste to them. So, between slave labor, poop, toxic chemicals, and bad taste, there's no reason to eat imported shrimp.

It took a while for me to eat any shrimp, honestly. I'm from New England- I'm pretty picky about my seafood. I just found out about the Thai shrimp situation a few months ago, but I generally refuse to eat any seafood that wasn't swimming relatively close to me.

For instance, I will never eat (salt water) fish in the Midwest. There's just no need.

Oysters ship surprisingly well as long as they stay on ice.


I found that to also be the case with hookers.
 
2014-03-11 11:37:32 AM  
www.bricoleurbanism.org
 
2014-03-11 11:37:38 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-11 11:37:51 AM  

NicoFinn: Ah eet Gulf skrimps.

/Well, ah used ta.


BP's gonna start a marketing sideline (if they ain't already)
 
2014-03-11 11:38:12 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Arn't we dealing with economies of scale here? Yes they're making 2 dollars a day, but it's not like they are living in downtown Boston.


That $2/day isn't a lot of money anywhere. The cost of living is low because the standard of living is low. When you have several generations of a family crammed into a tiny room in a shanty town wedged between a chemical refinery and a landfill, all of whom are getting barely enough nutrition to survive, then sure - your 'cost of living' is low.
 
2014-03-11 11:39:21 AM  
Do they dance in the evenings on the ships?

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2014-03-11 11:41:32 AM  

Rapmaster2000: That Guy Jeff: I will, thank you. Mmmm. I wondering if the slavery is what makes them taste so good? Oh well, who cares. I think I'll get sushi for dinner now.

LOL,  Asian shrimp tastes terrible.  You have bad taste.


Oh, this will be good. Please, enlighten me as to what "asian shrimp" is.
 
2014-03-11 11:41:46 AM  

Nabb1: Kraftwerk Orange: Not a single restaurant on this famous shrimper's dock actually serves local caught shrimp.  Only The Wreck does, located just a little further down, which while considered one of the best taste-wise, also constantly gets complaints from locals about being "over-priced".

[www.charlestonartmarket.com image 640x226]

When I lived in Charleston, everyone knew that hole area was where tourists went to eat fried seafood platters. I used to go down to a little place just before you got to Folly Beach from James Island and there was a shop at a small dock where some shrimp boats would come in. You could get head-on shrimp for $1.25 a pound. Being poor and in college, we'd pool our money, get some seasoning, a case of beer, and peel and boil those things on a Saturday. There was something great about being broke and still knowing that you were eating shrimp that had been swimming in the ocean twelve hours ago.


I've eaten there.  Just past the Angel Oak.  IIRC, the trawlers were owned by family members.

A couple of the restaurants on Folly bought from them, too.
 
2014-03-11 11:43:37 AM  

CruJones: crawfish


Ah, last time I checked crawfish were fresh water creatures raised in ponds inland.
 
2014-03-11 11:43:49 AM  

That Guy Jeff: Rapmaster2000: That Guy Jeff: I will, thank you. Mmmm. I wondering if the slavery is what makes them taste so good? Oh well, who cares. I think I'll get sushi for dinner now.

LOL,  Asian shrimp tastes terrible.  You have bad taste.

Oh, this will be good. Please, enlighten me as to what "asian shrimp" is.


It's those little yellow bastards.
 
2014-03-11 11:45:11 AM  
I don't eat shrimp unless it is caught by my 23rd cousins down in the Gulf.

Unless I'm at Olive Garden. Sweet sweet Olive Garden.
 
2014-03-11 11:46:44 AM  

theflatline: CruJones: crawfish

Ah, last time I checked crawfish were fresh water creatures raised in ponds inland.


Yes, they are, and thanks to numerous spells of unusually cold weather down here, those little mudbugs are quite expensive this year.
 
2014-03-11 11:47:01 AM  
"i own people: meh"

classic!
 
2014-03-11 11:47:32 AM  

twiztedjustin: Sweet sweet Olive Garden.


*hurk*
 
2014-03-11 11:50:00 AM  
I don't eat seafood often, but when I do, I go through the best supplier in this area, who buys from American fisheries.

Also when I visit my brother in Seattle, my aunt in Florida, or my other aunt in South Carolina, I eat locally caught seafood like I'm f*cking Neptune.
 
2014-03-11 11:50:09 AM  

R.A.Danny: Coffee


There is no coffee produced that is not produced by some form of slave labor, indentured servitude, or share cropping.

In Colombia the large coffee farms are tended by local peasants who are paid a pittance but are allowed to live on the land and have their own little vegetable and fruit gardens to maintain the crops.

When the crops are harvested seasonal migrant workers come in to do the harvests and are paid a pittance.

This happens on the big farms and the free trade farms.
 
2014-03-11 11:52:13 AM  
Thanks, I will.
 
2014-03-11 11:52:16 AM  

Nabb1: theflatline: CruJones: crawfish

Ah, last time I checked crawfish were fresh water creatures raised in ponds inland.

Yes, they are, and thanks to numerous spells of unusually cold weather down here, those little mudbugs are quite expensive this year.


I worked crawfishing in Thibodaux in college for a few weeks back in 91, fark all that noise, I would rather be beat with whips rowing a slave ship.

Back breaking labor avoiding gators and snakes but the plus side our bosses idea of a bonus program was "you can keep all the frogs you can catch".

I went back to bartending.
 
2014-03-11 11:53:45 AM  

theflatline: There is no coffee produced that is not produced by some form of slave labor, indentured servitude, or share cropping.


Hawaii is pretty good about these.
 
2014-03-11 11:54:21 AM  
i.ytimg.com

Mr. President, I'm Forrest Gump, owner of Bubba Gump Shrimp.

Shrimp? I love shrimp. Shrimp cocktails, shrimp scampi, shrimp puffs, shrimp kebab, peanut butter and shrimp sandwiches, shrimp milkshakes, shrimp wine, count shrimpula cereal, and blueberry pie with a scoop of vanilla ice cream, a little brown sugar and some shrimp.

You sure like shrimp, Mr. President.

Did you say shrimp? I love shrimp. Shrimp cocktail, shrimp scampi, shrimp puffs, shrimp kebab...
 
2014-03-11 11:57:33 AM  

Another Government Employee: Nabb1: Kraftwerk Orange: Not a single restaurant on this famous shrimper's dock actually serves local caught shrimp.  Only The Wreck does, located just a little further down, which while considered one of the best taste-wise, also constantly gets complaints from locals about being "over-priced".

[www.charlestonartmarket.com image 640x226]

When I lived in Charleston, everyone knew that hole area was where tourists went to eat fried seafood platters. I used to go down to a little place just before you got to Folly Beach from James Island and there was a shop at a small dock where some shrimp boats would come in. You could get head-on shrimp for $1.25 a pound. Being poor and in college, we'd pool our money, get some seasoning, a case of beer, and peel and boil those things on a Saturday. There was something great about being broke and still knowing that you were eating shrimp that had been swimming in the ocean twelve hours ago.

I've eaten there.  Just past the Angel Oak.  IIRC, the trawlers were owned by family members.

A couple of the restaurants on Folly bought from them, too.


Nowhere near the Angel Oak (which is on Johns Island), in case anyone is trying to actually find the place:    Crosby's.
 
2014-03-11 11:57:54 AM  
bdub77:
Here's a harsh reality. Slavery runs the world. If you make over 35k, you are the 1%. If you make over 70k you are the 0.1%. In fact, according to the U.N. nearly half the world's population, 2.8 billion people, earn less than $2 a day and according to the World Bank, 95% of those living in the developing world earn less than $10 a day.


Not arguing your numbers or sentiment, but try living on $35k in San Francisco (with a family) and then try living on the same amount in Laos. In SF you're going to be POOR...in Laos you're going to live like a king.
 
2014-03-11 11:58:06 AM  
i512.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-11 11:58:06 AM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: 5. Consumers don't seem to care

Dear Salon writer:   Inconvenient truth: consumers can't research every. single. item. they purchase in order to see where it comes from.


Is there anything that Salon  doesn't find racist/oppressive?
 
2014-03-11 11:58:16 AM  

theflatline: Nabb1: theflatline: CruJones: crawfish

Ah, last time I checked crawfish were fresh water creatures raised in ponds inland.

Yes, they are, and thanks to numerous spells of unusually cold weather down here, those little mudbugs are quite expensive this year.

I worked crawfishing in Thibodaux in college for a few weeks back in 91, fark all that noise, I would rather be beat with whips rowing a slave ship.

Back breaking labor avoiding gators and snakes but the plus side our bosses idea of a bonus program was "you can keep all the frogs you can catch".

I went back to bartending.


I had a chum who wanted to be a commercial fisherman.  After his first six months he quit. He told me "You know the difference between a fishing boat and jail? You can escape from jail sometimes."

/CSB, yeah
 
2014-03-11 11:58:49 AM  
There is a disappointing lack of gumbo recipes in this thread.
 
2014-03-11 12:00:26 PM  

macadamnut: [i512.photobucket.com image 500x496]


At whatever percentage they agree to?

Now, stop whining and get a job.
 
2014-03-11 12:00:37 PM  

theflatline: Nabb1: theflatline: CruJones: crawfish

Ah, last time I checked crawfish were fresh water creatures raised in ponds inland.

Yes, they are, and thanks to numerous spells of unusually cold weather down here, those little mudbugs are quite expensive this year.

I worked crawfishing in Thibodaux in college for a few weeks back in 91, fark all that noise, I would rather be beat with whips rowing a slave ship.

Back breaking labor avoiding gators and snakes but the plus side our bosses idea of a bonus program was "you can keep all the frogs you can catch".

I went back to bartending.


That's some funny shiat right there. One of the things that kept me motivated to finish college was the trips I would make on a grouper boats over the summers. Nice for the first few days, then it starts to get bad.
 
2014-03-11 12:00:55 PM  

Shtetl G: Here is my my go to shramp marinade:

1/3 of a cup of good extra virgin olive oil
4 or 5 cloves of fresh garlic through the micro plane
the juice of 1 lime
a couple of splashes of soy sauce and hot sauce
Fresh ground black pepper (1tsp)

Whisk until emulsified.  Marinade 1lb of shrimp for 20 minutes (the little buggers really absorb the flavor).  Grill 2 to 3 minutes per side on a red hot charcoal grill.  Savor the flavor of exploitation.


You left out the 1/4 c of Slave's tears - it adds the salty sweet flavor to the dish others lack...
 
2014-03-11 12:02:38 PM  

what_now: There is a disappointing lack of gumbo recipes in this thread.


Team jambalaya!
 
2014-03-11 12:04:09 PM  
Old and busted: Meat is Murder. New hotness: Shrimp is Slavery.

/the entitlements will grow until WWIII is started over them
//after that, it will all be sticks and stones
 
2014-03-11 12:05:01 PM  

Nabb1: When I lived in Charleston, everyone knew that hole area was where tourists went to eat fried seafood platters. I used to go down to a little place just before you got to Folly Beach from James Island and there was a shop at a small dock where some shrimp boats would come in. You could get head-on shrimp for $1.25 a pound. Being poor and in college, we'd pool our money, get some seasoning, a case of beer, and peel and boil those things on a Saturday. There was something great about being broke and still knowing that you were eating shrimp that had been swimming in the ocean twelve hours ago.


A buddy in college was from IOP.  His dad owned one of those shrimp boats, so we'd get the most amazing, huge, wonderful shrimp that was so fresh their families hadn't even noticed they were missing.

/and, subby, I've been informed by fark that only southern white men have ever been responsible for slavery
 
2014-03-11 12:05:50 PM  
While Thailand's seafood slave labor is deplorable, it's probably nowhere near what African blood diamond workers experience.
 
2014-03-11 12:06:49 PM  

what_now: There is a disappointing lack of gumbo recipes in this thread.


If I had my mother-in-law's seafood gumbo recipe handy, I would post it because it is awesome.
 
2014-03-11 12:07:10 PM  

macadamnut: [i512.photobucket.com image 500x496]


When the laborer can freely find other employment it is not slavery. The ability to walk away creates the ability to negotiate wages.
 
2014-03-11 12:08:10 PM  
Well,  we aren't the policemen of the world.    So Salon will have to get over the fact that I eat food from where ever the FARK I want.
 
2014-03-11 12:15:56 PM  

stonelotus: raise your hand if you've ever peed on a cow.



*raises hand*
...may or may not have been during a time we looked for mushrooms while drunk. Could have been another time, but I've definitely peed on a cow.

It's funny the way Fark brings out these memories.
 
2014-03-11 12:16:05 PM  
Here in Seattle, the grocery stores generally sell the peel-and-eat white shrimp from Thailand and the bigger, more expensive gulf shrimp. There is a big shrimping season for Hood Canal, but I don't think they have a commercial fishery. Anyway, not only is the Gulf shrimp AT LEAST twice as expensive, but it also tends to be mushy compared to the firm, plump little Thai buggers.

The other thing about this exploited worker situation is that it represents a very small percentage of the workers. The article halfway admits that, but it says there are 25,000 registered fishing vessels and that the estimated victim count is in the 1000's. That's past and current victims. It's deplorable, of course, but it means the vast majority of workers are legit. Considering we had the article just yesterday about American turkey farms using developmentally-challenged adults as indentured servants, I think we shouldn't be so quick to condemn Asian seafood producers.
 
2014-03-11 12:19:02 PM  
I'm conflicted.  The Bible is against shellfish but pro slavery.  What to do, what to do.

/I'll ponder it while having gay sex
 
2014-03-11 12:20:14 PM  

R.A.Danny: Nabb1: stonelotus: raise your hand if you've ever peed in the ocean.  now raise your hand if you've ever peed on a cow.

fark your nasty seafood.

Do cows not shiat and piss in the very pastures they roam and eat grass?

Absolutely every bit of non-solar energy that we consume has been shiat in one form or another in the past. There are no plants without shiat. There is no food without shiat. Shiat is the most important thing we produce.


Shiat run Bartertown!
 
2014-03-11 12:23:32 PM  
Wasn't it Romney, "They should get jobs"?

O, that was the Poor.
never mind
 
2014-03-11 12:24:13 PM  

snocone: R.A.Danny: Nabb1: stonelotus: raise your hand if you've ever peed in the ocean.  now raise your hand if you've ever peed on a cow.

fark your nasty seafood.

Do cows not shiat and piss in the very pastures they roam and eat grass?

Absolutely every bit of non-solar energy that we consume has been shiat in one form or another in the past. There are no plants without shiat. There is no food without shiat. Shiat is the most important thing we produce.

Shiat run Bartertown!


This planet runs like Bartertown.
 
2014-03-11 12:27:41 PM  

R.A.Danny: snocone: R.A.Danny: Nabb1: stonelotus: raise your hand if you've ever peed in the ocean.  now raise your hand if you've ever peed on a cow.

fark your nasty seafood.

Do cows not shiat and piss in the very pastures they roam and eat grass?

Absolutely every bit of non-solar energy that we consume has been shiat in one form or another in the past. There are no plants without shiat. There is no food without shiat. Shiat is the most important thing we produce.

Shiat run Bartertown!

This planet runs like Bartertown.


Right down to the tiny fist.

EMBARGO ON!
 
2014-03-11 12:28:16 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: 5. Consumers don't seem to care

Dear Salon writer:   Inconvenient truth: consumers can't research every. single. item. they purchase in order to see where it comes from.


Even after reading the article, odds are most won't change their seafood habits, let alone try to increase the awareness of others.

i.e. Consumers don't seem to care.
 
2014-03-11 12:30:34 PM  

macadamnut: [i512.photobucket.com image 500x496]


At the point where the employee can negtotiate a fair market price for his labor it is no longer slavery.


/Glad I could help
 
2014-03-11 12:30:37 PM  

kaseyfarksdaladies: I'm conflicted.  The Bible is against shellfish but pro slavery.  What to do, what to do.

/I'll ponder it while having gay sex


Ummm...I think the ban on shellfish is for people of the Jewish faith.
 
2014-03-11 12:32:17 PM  

offmymeds: kaseyfarksdaladies: I'm conflicted.  The Bible is against shellfish but pro slavery.  What to do, what to do.

/I'll ponder it while having gay sex

Ummm...I think the ban on shellfish is for people of the Jewish faith.


IT'S IN LEVITICUS, HEATHEN!
 
2014-03-11 12:34:22 PM  

FLMountainMan: That article was likely typed on a computer made by slaves.


Yea, I noticed that. Why would anyone use that font?
 
2014-03-11 12:36:22 PM  

kaseyfarksdaladies: offmymeds: kaseyfarksdaladies: I'm conflicted.  The Bible is against shellfish but pro slavery.  What to do, what to do.

/I'll ponder it while having gay sex

Ummm...I think the ban on shellfish is for people of the Jewish faith.

IT'S IN LEVITICUS, HEATHEN!


Old Testament laws don't apply to Christians, except for the Ten Commandments.  The whole point of Christianity is that Jesus broke the old Jewish covenants to establish a new one.
 
2014-03-11 12:37:54 PM  

what_now: There is a disappointing lack of gumbo recipes in this thread.


I won't post the whole recipe, but here's a link.
 
2014-03-11 12:40:50 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: kaseyfarksdaladies: offmymeds: kaseyfarksdaladies: I'm conflicted.  The Bible is against shellfish but pro slavery.  What to do, what to do.

/I'll ponder it while having gay sex

Ummm...I think the ban on shellfish is for people of the Jewish faith.

IT'S IN LEVITICUS, HEATHEN!

Old Testament laws don't apply to Christians, except for the Ten Commandments.  The whole point of Christianity is that Jesus broke the old Jewish covenants to establish a new one.


Um, no. You sort of missed the point. Jesus fulfilled the covenant. That's why there are all those references back to the Old Testament in the New Testament.
 
2014-03-11 12:41:23 PM  
add this to the list of shiat I don't care about.

they are "slaves" Don't give me that. She don't make enough money that she can quit.
 
2014-03-11 12:41:42 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: kaseyfarksdaladies: offmymeds: kaseyfarksdaladies: I'm conflicted.  The Bible is against shellfish but pro slavery.  What to do, what to do.

/I'll ponder it while having gay sex

Ummm...I think the ban on shellfish is for people of the Jewish faith.

IT'S IN LEVITICUS, HEATHEN!

Old Testament laws don't apply to Christians, except for the Ten Commandments.  The whole point of Christianity is that Jesus broke the old Jewish covenants to establish a new one.


Even then you'd be hard pressed to find someone who hasn't broken at least one of the commandments, including kaseyfarksdaladies.
 
2014-03-11 12:43:08 PM  
I haven't eaten shrimp in a decade. Once i realized it was the equivalent of clear-cutting a forest to get the deer, I have completely avoided it.

Shrimping leaves behind vast underwater deserts. Farm raising shrimp has its own host of problems.

/not some hippy, I just don't feel like supporting an industry that ruins everything it touches.
 
2014-03-11 12:45:55 PM  
offmymeds: Kraftwerk Orange: kaseyfarksdaladies: offmymeds: kaseyfarksdaladies: I'm conflicted.  The Bible is against shellfish but pro slavery.  What to do, what to do.

/I'll ponder it while having gay sex

Ummm...I think the ban on shellfish is for people of the Jewish faith.

IT'S IN LEVITICUS, HEATHEN!

Old Testament laws don't apply to Christians, except for the Ten Commandments.  The whole point of Christianity is that Jesus broke the old Jewish covenants to establish a new one.

Even then you'd be hard pressed to find someone who hasn't broken at least one of the commandments, including especially kaseyfarksdaladies.

Agreeing with pkellmey.  The OT wasn't thrown out the window for Christians.
 
2014-03-11 12:47:17 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: macadamnut: [i512.photobucket.com image 500x496]

At the point where the employee can negtotiate a fair market price for his labor it is no longer slavery.


/Glad I could help


Slaves are paid market price for their labor. The market price just happens to be $0.
 
2014-03-11 12:47:25 PM  
www.foodrepublic.com

www.united-academics.org
 
2014-03-11 12:47:28 PM  

pkellmey: Kraftwerk Orange: kaseyfarksdaladies: offmymeds: kaseyfarksdaladies: I'm conflicted.  The Bible is against shellfish but pro slavery.  What to do, what to do.

/I'll ponder it while having gay sex

Ummm...I think the ban on shellfish is for people of the Jewish faith.

IT'S IN LEVITICUS, HEATHEN!

Old Testament laws don't apply to Christians, except for the Ten Commandments.  The whole point of Christianity is that Jesus broke the old Jewish covenants to establish a new one.

Um, no. You sort of missed the point. Jesus fulfilled the covenant. That's why there are all those references back to the Old Testament in the New Testament.


Ok, yes.  He fulfilled the old covenants, releasing the obligations to follow them.  He then created a new covenant, that was much less based on rules and laws (Jewish tradition) and more based on being nice to each other.
 
2014-03-11 12:49:19 PM  

That Guy Jeff: Rapmaster2000: That Guy Jeff: I will, thank you. Mmmm. I wondering if the slavery is what makes them taste so good? Oh well, who cares. I think I'll get sushi for dinner now.

LOL,  Asian shrimp tastes terrible.  You have bad taste.

Oh, this will be good. Please, enlighten me as to what "asian shrimp" is.


If you weren't some broke schlub from the sticks you would know this.
 
2014-03-11 12:51:44 PM  

FLMountainMan: That article was likely typed on a computer made by slaves.


i218.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-11 12:58:04 PM  

Nabb1: I buy only locally caught Gulf shrimp.


That's the correct answer. Safer for you, too. I would also accept "Canadian or American" wild seafood and certified farmed seafood. The fisheries in Alaska are among the most sustainable and least damaging, while even farmed shrimp is likely to be a lot cleaner and environmentally-friendly in the US and Canada.

Asian shrimp are often farmed under horrible circumstances (pollution, antibiotics, slavery) or caught by trawlers which scour the sea floor, destroying everything in their wake. I've seen aerial and satellite photos of the mud stirred up by trawler fleets. Not pretty.

I love seafood so I am loathe to give it up, but there's not a lot of "clean" seafood. The well-to-do nations have laws and inspections and so forth to encourage best practices. South East Asia is the worst for wanton destructiveness and low health and worker safety standards.

Not doubt part of this is the result of poverty--massive populations have to be fed cheaply until they can afford to think about things like safety, work conditions, and the environment. But we should definitely discourage this sort of thing as much as our small influence can make things better for people and the environment.

I don't go so far as to boycott all seafood, but I would like mine to be safe and sound environmentally as well as economically. To my thinking, economics is a sub-set of ecology. It's man-made ecology, and it should be made to last like Mother Nature's fine, resilient work.
 
2014-03-11 12:58:58 PM  
Oh Lord, more of this.

As stated yesterday- this is hardly new. What is surprising is that there are some fresh caught shrimp in SE Asia.

This is only a surprise for the uneducated, or those with Social Science, IT, Humanities degrees.

We don't want to face certain ugly truths because they would be very inconvenient. Normies (most of you), don't want to take the medicine required to remedy this. So we publish old, outdated, known information in order to spread the word- it's the First World thing to do. If we can educate others, then we've done our part! Woooo!

Try shopping all First World, with products manufactured with parts grown/produced in the same First World country. It's harder than you'd imagine, and you'd never be online to read this.

So rather than poo-poo slavery, let's face facts: The author was only able to Spread the Word(tm) by the use of slave labor. The author is probably clothed by slave labor, and fed by slave labor as well.

We love, we adore slavery. If we didn't, what would we do to change things other than hope/pray some "one" in a position of power will take the steps necessary?
 
2014-03-11 01:04:36 PM  

theflatline: CruJones: crawfish

Ah, last time I checked crawfish were fresh water creatures raised in ponds inland.


A rather large portion still come from Thailand.   Frozen.

/had a crawfish boil last weekend, not too small for this time of year
 
2014-03-11 01:04:45 PM  

Meesterjojo: Oh Lord, more of this.

As stated yesterday- this is hardly new. What is surprising is that there are some fresh caught shrimp in SE Asia.

This is only a surprise for the uneducated, or those with Social Science, IT, Humanities degrees.

We don't want to face certain ugly truths because they would be very inconvenient. Normies (most of you), don't want to take the medicine required to remedy this. So we publish old, outdated, known information in order to spread the word- it's the First World thing to do. If we can educate others, then we've done our part! Woooo!

Try shopping all First World, with products manufactured with parts grown/produced in the same First World country. It's harder than you'd imagine, and you'd never be online to read this.

So rather than poo-poo slavery, let's face facts: The author was only able to Spread the Word(tm) by the use of slave labor. The author is probably clothed by slave labor, and fed by slave labor as well.

We love, we adore slavery. If we didn't, what would we do to change things other than hope/pray some "one" in a position of power will take the steps necessary?


Awww, STFU. While I get your minor point that Americans are apathetic, your primary point that you're better than everyone else is noted and it's corny. if you have information that others dont then educate without spending the majority of the time pontificating about how good you are for knowing something.
 
2014-03-11 01:12:01 PM  

Munchkin City Coroner: FLMountainMan: That article was likely typed on a computer made by slaves.

[i218.photobucket.com image 800x510]


I call BS.  Where are their anti-static wrist straps?
 
2014-03-11 01:17:22 PM  

namatad: what_now: bdub77: Here's a harsh reality. Slavery runs the world. If you make over 35k, you are the 1%. If you make over 70k you are the 0.1%. In fact, according to the U.N. nearly half the world's population, 2.8 billion people, earn less than $2 a day and according to the World Bank, 95% of those living in the developing world earn less than $10 a day.

Yup. I try to be conscious of this in the things I use the most of - coffee, clothing, food- but the reality is that even in this country most of the agricultural work is done by illegal immigrants. And while they aren't slaves, they make very little money and have no protection or recourse from abuse. Let's call them "serfs".

You buy anything from Walmart? Slave made. You buy anything that was grown, picked, or processed in the South West? Serf made.

Unless every single thing you consume is made by hand- or by someone who's workers you personally know- you're contributing to slavery. Eventually, you have to learn to live with that.

/don't buy diamonds though- even lab created. No one needs diamonds.

THIS and other things like THIS.
Everyone lives in a country that was won by conquest.
And before a first nation chimes in, want to BET that your tribe conquered the tribe that was living there before you and we just dont have a record of it?

Should I care that white people stole america from non-white people? meh
Should I care that there were slaves in the past history of every nation? meh
Should I care injustice happens? meh

I wish we could fix all these problems. I will think twice about thai shrimp from now on, that's for sure.
But can I check everything? NOPE

I guess I could kill myself.

/grandparents were immigrants, so america isnt my fault.
/IF you are going to argue fruits of stolen property by going back to year X, I can argue we should go back 2X years and see who you stole the property from. It is only fair.


"I guess I could kill myself."


Now you're thinking.
 
2014-03-11 01:20:55 PM  

Shtetl G: Here is my my go to shramp marinade:

1/3 of a cup of good extra virgin olive oil
4 or 5 cloves of fresh garlic through the micro plane
the juice of 1 lime
a couple of splashes of soy sauce and hot sauce
Fresh ground black pepper (1tsp)

Whisk until emulsified.  Marinade 1lb of shrimp for 20 minutes (the little buggers really absorb the flavor).  Grill 2 to 3 minutes per side on a red hot charcoal grill.  Savor the flavor of exploitation.


Minus the soy sauce, that sounds farking delicious, I'll keep that in mind. I don't typically use citrus with shrimp, I normally just pan fry with butter and garlic, but I've substituted lime for lemon cooking rock cod and it turned out well. Sometimes I'll use a chipotle sauce.

I love cooking seafood though, it's such a delicate operation to get it perfect. I find no challenge in properly doing most meals, but fish and shellfish? Oh the joy when I get it cooked to a perfect texture. The only way it can be better is if I caught them myself.
 
2014-03-11 01:25:14 PM  

what_now: There is a disappointing lack of gumbo recipes in this thread.



1.Make a brown roux and cool it off.
2.  Have a beer
3.
 Cut up celery, onion, green bell pepper, and garlic very fine like you would for a gazpacho.

Can of beef broth and can of diced or crushed or stewed tomatoes.
Heat that up with the veggies in it.
Season with what you call your spices, you can go Cajun or you can go creole or at this point, you can go farking Mexican if you want.
When it boils you can start whisking in the cold roux and thicken it up.

Simmer for a while to meld the seasonings.

Toss in some peeled, deveined shrimp, maybe some cleaned up clams, mussels, bits of fish.

Fark Okra.

Serve with bread.
 
2014-03-11 01:27:46 PM  

Nabb1: I buy only locally caught Gulf shrimp.


My local grocer has fresh 31-40 Gulf shrimp for $18 a LB right now.  Frozen shrimp is $35 for a 2-lb bag.

WHAT IS HAPPENING?

Yeah, there's a Kroger but all their seafood smells like bleach and tastes wrong. Whatever happened to $6 a lb. skrimps?
 
2014-03-11 01:31:10 PM  

hitlersbrain: If I could make one change to human DNA it would be to make downtrodden people instinctively band together and destroy the people oppressing them. The tolerance and even admiration (republicans) we have for cruel and oppressive power is one of our worst traits.


The problem has ALWAYS been that when they band together, a bunch of them die.

The US is where it is today because the downtrodden have JUST enough (bread and circuses) to keep them from dying to get more.  This is the biggest threat to the GOP cutting off food stamps.  Starving people have nothing to lose.  Fed and entertained people? MEH, easier to watch my shows and just mellow out.

I am MORE surprised that governments havent been completely in favor of legalizing POT for this reason.
Cheaper and safer than alcohol, with none of the violent effects of alcohol.  Dope the masses into giggling happiness and they will never revolt.
 
2014-03-11 01:35:56 PM  

namatad: The problem has ALWAYS been that when they band together, a bunch of them die.


that is how you get them in the nets.
that is the purpose of shrimping.

You should google shrimping.
Better yet, turn safe search off, and do a google image search for "Shrimping"
 
2014-03-11 01:36:23 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: kaseyfarksdaladies: offmymeds: kaseyfarksdaladies: I'm conflicted.  The Bible is against shellfish but pro slavery.  What to do, what to do.

/I'll ponder it while having gay sex

Ummm...I think the ban on shellfish is for people of the Jewish faith.

IT'S IN LEVITICUS, HEATHEN!

Old Testament laws don't apply to Christians, except for the Ten Commandments.  The whole point of Christianity is that Jesus broke the old Jewish covenants to establish a new one.


For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
 
2014-03-11 01:51:04 PM  

offmymeds: While Thailand's seafood slave labor is deplorable, it's probably nowhere near what African blood diamond workers experience.


All parts of the world are different.
Some are WONDERFUL - Sweden.
Some are farking Somalia or Haiti.

Unless we are willing to return to the days of imperialism, this will always be the case.
Even something as "simple" as peacekeeping is virtually impossible to execute.

So Thailand is unwilling to stop the shrimp and sex slave market?
OK
Sanctions. Well those never work unless everyone agrees with the sanctions.
War. Destroy the existing government. Patrol the waters, kill all the slavers.
Rinse and Repeat.

Except that history is rife with examples of how bad humans are at fixing these problems.
Look at something as "simple" as basic human rights.  People in most muslim countries have zero freedom of religion. But the rest of the world is OK with that.  HOW would we change that?

The shining beacon of freedom has in some ways been the only solution which has worked. Slowly.
 
2014-03-11 01:54:52 PM  
Do your best to buy locally sourced foodstuffs. It's getting easier and easier to do so, and doing so is a market "force multiplier," helping to quell such activities. Yes, it's more expensive - that's the damned point. If you can afford to do so, do so.
 
2014-03-11 01:55:19 PM  

namatad: hitlersbrain: If I could make one change to human DNA it would be to make downtrodden people instinctively band together and destroy the people oppressing them. The tolerance and even admiration (republicans) we have for cruel and oppressive power is one of our worst traits.

The problem has ALWAYS been that when they band together, a bunch of them die.

The US is where it is today because the downtrodden have JUST enough (bread and circuses) to keep them from dying to get more.  This is the biggest threat to the GOP cutting off food stamps.  Starving people have nothing to lose.  Fed and entertained people? MEH, easier to watch my shows and just mellow out.

I am MORE surprised that governments havent been completely in favor of legalizing POT for this reason.
Cheaper and safer than alcohol, with none of the violent effects of alcohol.  Dope the masses into giggling happiness and they will never revolt.


If only we could all be as perfect as you right?
 
2014-03-11 02:03:05 PM  

vudukungfu: namatad: The problem has ALWAYS been that when they band together, a bunch of them die.

that is how you get them in the nets.
that is the purpose of shrimping.

You should google shrimping.
Better yet, turn safe search off, and do a google image search for "Shrimping"


NO NO NO NO NO
but you did make me LOL
 
2014-03-11 02:05:35 PM  

namatad: NO NO NO NO NO
but you did make me LOL


rats.
so close
 
2014-03-11 02:17:01 PM  

kaseyfarksdaladies: I'm conflicted.  The Bible is against shellfish but pro slavery.  What to do, what to do.


Read the New Testament.  After the gay sex, of course.
 
2014-03-11 03:05:39 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND:
We love, we adore slavery. If we didn't, what would we do to change things other than hope/pray some "one" in a position of power will take the steps necessary?

Awww, STFU. While I get your minor point that Americans are apathetic, your primary point that you're better than everyone else is noted and it's corny. if you have information that others dont then educate without spending the majority of the time pontificating about how good you are for knowing something.


People like that often use the proselytizing as their contribution to ending the practice. It accomplishes nothing, but it makes them feel like they're doing something.
 
2014-03-11 03:38:25 PM  
ionehellobeautiful.files.wordpress.com

"Pay?!?! Haha, get back over there and gets me mah shree-imps, darky!"
 
2014-03-11 04:30:32 PM  
They used to have a kick ass shrimp farm in the desert, just 40 miles south.  I could get a cheap 10 lb bag, frozen, at my doorstep with zero shipping.  Lousy foreign shrimp ruined the profit margin and now it's an algae farm.

I refuse to pay what other vendors want to charge for substandard shrimp; I've pretty much gone without for years.  Most of it tastes like pure chlorine anymore anyways.
 
2014-03-11 04:48:54 PM  

vudukungfu: namatad: The problem has ALWAYS been that when they band together, a bunch of them die.

that is how you get them in the nets.
that is the purpose of shrimping.

You should google shrimping.
Better yet, turn safe search off, and do a google image search for "Shrimping"


I was expecting far worse, to be honest...unless Urban Dictionary lied to me.  Some of the images are pretty funny, actually...
 
2014-03-11 05:10:46 PM  

hitlersbrain: namatad: hitlersbrain: If I could make one change to human DNA it would be to make downtrodden people instinctively band together and destroy the people oppressing them. The tolerance and even admiration (republicans) we have for cruel and oppressive power is one of our worst traits.

The problem has ALWAYS been that when they band together, a bunch of them die.

The US is where it is today because the downtrodden have JUST enough (bread and circuses) to keep them from dying to get more.  This is the biggest threat to the GOP cutting off food stamps.  Starving people have nothing to lose.  Fed and entertained people? MEH, easier to watch my shows and just mellow out.

I am MORE surprised that governments havent been completely in favor of legalizing POT for this reason.
Cheaper and safer than alcohol, with none of the violent effects of alcohol.  Dope the masses into giggling happiness and they will never revolt.

If only we could all be as perfect as you right?


LOLWUT?!
I was mostly agreeing with you.
You are in favor of genetically modifying the masses so that they would revolt more.
I just pointed out WHY the masses dont revolt.
 
2014-03-11 05:12:48 PM  

azmoviez: They used to have a kick ass shrimp farm in the desert, just 40 miles south.  I could get a cheap 10 lb bag, frozen, at my doorstep with zero shipping.  Lousy foreign shrimp ruined the profit margin and now it's an algae farm.

I refuse to pay what other vendors want to charge for substandard shrimp; I've pretty much gone without for years.  Most of it tastes like pure chlorine anymore anyways.


Slave labor and cheap international shipping rumps local.
Pain in the ass.

If only we were LESS interested in "FREE MARKET" and more interested in fair market.
Oh well.  Wont change until we kill off a few more of the free market GOP.
 
2014-03-11 05:52:28 PM  

bdub77: xtech: bdub77: Things made with slave labor (this is not an exhaustive list):

Coffee
Chocolate
Clothing
Cell phones
Computers
Diamonds and Gold
Sugar
Cotton (go figure, the poster product of slavery)
Pretty much anything made in China
Shrimp

Here's a harsh reality. Slavery runs the world. If you make over 35k, you are the 1%. If you make over 70k you are the 0.1%. In fact, according to the U.N. nearly half the world's population, 2.8 billion people, earn less than $2 a day and according to the World Bank, 95% of those living in the developing world earn less than $10 a day.

So yeah. Most of the people in our world are basically slaves. That doesn't mean we shouldn't work to improve our conditions or theirs, but merely to acknowledge the fact that forced slavery and wage slavery is probably roughly the equivalent when you're talking half the world earning less than 2 bucks a day.

you forgot IPHONES. there is documented proof that apple uses slave labor in china. samsung? not so much...

I said cell phones. Also, most cell phone manufacturers use minerals mined from slave labor mines in Africa. And you don't think the working conditions at Samsung are nearly as bad as Foxconn?


Citation for that last statement.
 
2014-03-11 09:38:38 PM  

FLMountainMan: kaseyfarksdaladies: I'm conflicted.  The Bible is against shellfish but pro slavery.  What to do, what to do.

Read the New Testament.  After the gay sex, of course.


Acts Chapter 10

Who has the energy to read the whole thing? Like most straights, your average gay likes a nap after the sex.
 
2014-03-12 04:14:06 AM  
I cannot check the material facts of this article, but look at this one sentence:

Thailand is America's oldest Asian ally. The two nations have been buddies since the Vietnam War, when the US launched jets from Thailand to carpet-bomb suspected communist rebels.

Uh, no.  India and the Philippines have effectively never not been our allies. Burma (occasionally) and Indonesia (officially) were our allies in WWII.  South Korean and Japanese forces actually saw combat side-by-side with American troops fighting the North Koreans (1950-1953). Thailand didn't formally become a U.S. ally until 1954.

And we weren't bombing communist "rebels" in Vietnam, but elements of a communist country (North Vietnam).  Plus, although B-52s are jet-powered, they aren't what you typically think of as "jets".

So am I supposed to take their word for the stuff I cannot check?  The sea seems a dangerous place to be depending on slaves.
 
2014-03-12 04:16:52 AM  

mlorton: I cannot check the material facts of this article, but look at this one sentence:


For large values of "one".

Muphry's law.
 
2014-03-12 04:35:10 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Meesterjojo: Oh Lord, more of this.

As stated yesterday- this is hardly new. What is surprising is that there are some fresh caught shrimp in SE Asia.

This is only a surprise for the uneducated, or those with Social Science, IT, Humanities degrees.

We don't want to face certain ugly truths because they would be very inconvenient. Normies (most of you), don't want to take the medicine required to remedy this. So we publish old, outdated, known information in order to spread the word- it's the First World thing to do. If we can educate others, then we've done our part! Woooo!

Try shopping all First World, with products manufactured with parts grown/produced in the same First World country. It's harder than you'd imagine, and you'd never be online to read this.

So rather than poo-poo slavery, let's face facts: The author was only able to Spread the Word(tm) by the use of slave labor. The author is probably clothed by slave labor, and fed by slave labor as well.

We love, we adore slavery. If we didn't, what would we do to change things other than hope/pray some "one" in a position of power will take the steps necessary?

Awww, STFU. While I get your minor point that Americans are apathetic, your primary point that you're better than everyone else is noted and it's corny. if you have information that others dont then educate without spending the majority of the time pontificating about how good you are for knowing something.



That was awesome : )
 
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