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2014-03-11 09:28:08 AM
I buy only locally caught Gulf shrimp.
 
2014-03-11 09:52:13 AM
Things made with slave labor (this is not an exhaustive list):

Coffee
Chocolate
Clothing
Cell phones
Computers
Diamonds and Gold
Sugar
Cotton (go figure, the poster product of slavery)
Pretty much anything made in China
Shrimp

Here's a harsh reality. Slavery runs the world. If you make over 35k, you are the 1%. If you make over 70k you are the 0.1%. In fact, according to the U.N. nearly half the world's population, 2.8 billion people, earn less than $2 a day and according to the World Bank, 95% of those living in the developing world earn less than $10 a day.

So yeah. Most of the people in our world are basically slaves. That doesn't mean we shouldn't work to improve our conditions or theirs, but merely to acknowledge the fact that forced slavery and wage slavery is probably roughly the equivalent when you're talking half the world earning less than 2 bucks a day.
 
2014-03-11 09:52:56 AM
I only buy shrimp from the Gulf Coast, so.. not quite slaves.
 
2014-03-11 09:55:09 AM

Nabb1: I buy only locally caught Gulf shrimp.


HEB carries wild caught Gulf 10-12s in 2# bags...it's all I buy. But I'm sure that I buy some slave labor products and as is was so succinctly put:

bdub77: Here's a harsh reality. Slavery runs the world. If you make over 35k, you are the 1%. If you make over 70k you are the 0.1%. In fact, according to the U.N. nearly half the world's population, 2.8 billion people, earn less than $2 a day and according to the World Bank, 95% of those living in the developing world earn less than $10 a day.

So yeah. Most of the people in our world are basically slaves. That doesn't mean we shouldn't work to improve our conditions or theirs, but merely to acknowledge the fact that forced slavery and wage slavery is probably roughly the equivalent when you're talking half the world earning less than 2 bucks a day.

 
2014-03-11 10:00:27 AM
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2014-03-11 10:04:41 AM

bdub77: Here's a harsh reality. Slavery runs the world. If you make over 35k, you are the 1%. If you make over 70k you are the 0.1%. In fact, according to the U.N. nearly half the world's population, 2.8 billion people, earn less than $2 a day and according to the World Bank, 95% of those living in the developing world earn less than $10 a day.


Yup. I try to be conscious of this in the things I use the most of - coffee, clothing, food- but the reality is that even in this country most of the agricultural work is done by illegal immigrants. And while they aren't slaves, they make very little money and have no protection or recourse from abuse. Let's call them "serfs".

You buy anything from Walmart? Slave made. You buy anything that was grown, picked, or processed in the South West? Serf made.

Unless every single thing you consume is made by hand- or by someone who's workers you personally know- you're contributing to slavery. Eventually, you have to learn to live with that.

/don't buy diamonds though- even lab created. No one needs diamonds.
 
2014-03-11 10:20:30 AM

what_now: Yup. I try to be conscious of this in the things I use the most of - coffee, clothing, food- but the reality is that even in this country most of the agricultural work is done by illegal immigrants. And while they aren't slaves, they make very little money and have no protection or recourse from abuse. Let's call them "serfs".

You buy anything from Walmart? Slave made. You buy anything that was grown, picked, or processed in the South West? Serf made.

Unless every single thing you consume is made by hand- or by someone who's workers you personally know- you're contributing to slavery. Eventually, you have to learn to live with that.


Arn't we dealing with economies of scale here? Yes they're making 2 dollars a day, but it's not like they are living in downtown Boston.

I'm not saying there isn't crushing poverty in the world, but just because someone is making very few USD doesn't mean they are poor. Compare cost of living within our own borders. You can't live on minimum wage in New York, NY but you can survive in Tulsa, OK and if you live in Beaumont, MS you own the damn town.
 
2014-03-11 10:25:56 AM
Friends don't let friends eat imported shrimp, sayeth the bumper stickers around here.  The article deals with the human costs of imported shrimp, but there's also a staggering environmental cost (which TFA may also have mentioned).
 
2014-03-11 10:26:16 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Arn't we dealing with economies of scale here? Yes they're making 2 dollars a day, but it's not like they are living in downtown Boston.


Well of course. $2 a day is apparently enough to buy a family a goat, according to commercials that I see. But that doesn't mean that there aren't people living in slavery or near slavery conditions who produce the goods and products that I consume.
 
2014-03-11 10:37:36 AM
I've been told by top men that slavery isn't all that bad and that a lot of slave owners treat their slaves like family, so don't worry about it.
 
2014-03-11 10:38:52 AM
F*ck SALON.

dnrtfa
 
2014-03-11 10:39:27 AM
If I did not do the purchasing of these they would not have the food. They should send to me the thanking of you card.
 
2014-03-11 10:40:42 AM
I eat local Spot Prawns
 
2014-03-11 10:40:43 AM
No, I don't eat seafood from Thailand.  All scrimps and crawfish eaten 'round here are from the gulf.

Stay away from Captain D's and this may be less of an issue.
 
2014-03-11 10:42:15 AM
So Red Lobster has to pay reparations?
 
2014-03-11 10:42:15 AM
ipads slipped into the US consciousness, then right back out, conveniently.
 
2014-03-11 10:42:35 AM
img2u.info
 
2014-03-11 10:42:50 AM
notquitecountrygirl.typepad.com

Anyway, like I was sayin', shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey's uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich. That- that's about it.
 
2014-03-11 10:42:55 AM
Ah eet Gulf skrimps.

/Well, ah used ta.
 
2014-03-11 10:45:12 AM
I'll bet you thought this was just another Simpson's gag.

OTTO
Ho! Thank the good dude I'm saved. And we can go back for the kids too.

Two fisherman converse in an East-Asian language.

FISHERMAN 1
(subtitle) Do we need another slave laborer in the cannery?

FISHERMAN 2
(subtitle) You can never have too many slave laborers.


    -- Simpsons 'Das Bus' -- Episode 5F11 Season 9 -- Air Date February 15, 1998
 
2014-03-11 10:45:17 AM
That article was likely typed on a computer made by slaves.
 
2014-03-11 10:46:55 AM

Nabb1: I buy only locally caught Gulf shrimp.


Amen.

And ...

5 reasons slaves still catch your seafood dinner.

Huh?  That's a bit assumptive.  It's been a long long time since a slave caught my seafood dinner.
 
2014-03-11 10:47:18 AM
Shrimp is the plastic of the sea.
 
2014-03-11 10:47:33 AM
Well, Thais can at least reincarnate as an oligarch, so there's that.
 
2014-03-11 10:51:16 AM

FLMountainMan: That article was likely typed on a computer made by slaves.



Free Bobo
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-03-11 10:52:51 AM
I remember a news report about how Red Lobster got their "seafood". It seemed pretty much like how this story went but instead of Asia it was South America.
 
2014-03-11 10:54:31 AM
This is where my skrimps come from:
blog.nature.org
 
2014-03-11 10:55:31 AM

what_now: bdub77: Here's a harsh reality. Slavery runs the world. If you make over 35k, you are the 1%. If you make over 70k you are the 0.1%. In fact, according to the U.N. nearly half the world's population, 2.8 billion people, earn less than $2 a day and according to the World Bank, 95% of those living in the developing world earn less than $10 a day.

Yup. I try to be conscious of this in the things I use the most of - coffee, clothing, food- but the reality is that even in this country most of the agricultural work is done by illegal immigrants. And while they aren't slaves, they make very little money and have no protection or recourse from abuse. Let's call them "serfs".

You buy anything from Walmart? Slave made. You buy anything that was grown, picked, or processed in the South West? Serf made.

Unless every single thing you consume is made by hand- or by someone who's workers you personally know- you're contributing to slavery. Eventually, you have to learn to live with that.

/don't buy diamonds though- even lab created. No one needs diamonds.


THIS and other things like THIS.
Everyone lives in a country that was won by conquest.
And before a first nation chimes in, want to BET that your tribe conquered the tribe that was living there before you and we just dont have a record of it?

Should I care that white people stole america from non-white people? meh
Should I care that there were slaves in the past history of every nation? meh
Should I care injustice happens? meh

I wish we could fix all these problems. I will think twice about thai shrimp from now on, that's for sure.
But can I check everything? NOPE

I guess I could kill myself.

/grandparents were immigrants, so america isnt my fault.
/IF you are going to argue fruits of stolen property by going back to year X, I can argue we should go back 2X years and see who you stole the property from. It is only fair.
 
2014-03-11 10:56:57 AM
Slavery; because without it, Capitalism would never work.
 
2014-03-11 10:57:50 AM

pkellmey: So Red Lobster has to pay reparations?


Is there ever an end to reparations? Or do they got back 4 billion years or so?
 
2014-03-11 10:57:57 AM
Maybe if we weep our bleeding little hearts out for them their conditions will improve.

Oh, sorry no time for that I've got a diamond encrusted IPhone to purchase. Maybe I'll eat shrimp and drink a coffee on the way.
 
2014-03-11 10:58:08 AM
People still pay for prawn?
 
2014-03-11 10:59:07 AM

what_now: I only buy shrimp from the Gulf Coast, so.. not quite slaves.


Got over your worries about BP oil-infused shrimp finally? Good. I thought I was going to have to get a friend of mine from Wildlife and Fisheries to beat you with a wet noodle. Besides, imported shrimp are farmed in very specious conditions, hardly regulated, and seldom tested for contaminants. Many shrimp operations have them growing in waters tainted by chemicals and raw sewage. Not to mention they often have an unpleasant heavy iodine taste to them. So, between slave labor, poop, toxic chemicals, and bad taste, there's no reason to eat imported shrimp.
 
2014-03-11 10:59:46 AM

bdub77: Things made with slave labor (this is not an exhaustive list):

Coffee
Chocolate
Clothing
Cell phones
Computers
Diamonds and Gold
Sugar
Cotton (go figure, the poster product of slavery)
Pretty much anything made in China
Shrimp

Here's a harsh reality. Slavery runs the world. If you make over 35k, you are the 1%. If you make over 70k you are the 0.1%. In fact, according to the U.N. nearly half the world's population, 2.8 billion people, earn less than $2 a day and according to the World Bank, 95% of those living in the developing world earn less than $10 a day.

So yeah. Most of the people in our world are basically slaves. That doesn't mean we shouldn't work to improve our conditions or theirs, but merely to acknowledge the fact that forced slavery and wage slavery is probably roughly the equivalent when you're talking half the world earning less than 2 bucks a day.


you forgot IPHONES. there is documented proof that apple uses slave labor in china. samsung? not so much...
 
2014-03-11 11:00:33 AM

CruJones: No, I don't eat seafood from Thailand.  All scrimps and crawfish eaten 'round here are from the gulf.

Stay away from Captain D's and this may be less of an issue.


You had me until "stay away from captain D's"!!
 
2014-03-11 11:00:38 AM

ajgeek: Slavery; because without it, Capitalism would never work.


As opposed to communism?  C'mon, think these things through a little more.
 
2014-03-11 11:01:27 AM
If I could make one change to human DNA it would be to make downtrodden people instinctively band together and destroy the people oppressing them. The tolerance and even admiration (republicans) we have for cruel and oppressive power is one of our worst traits.
 
2014-03-11 11:04:15 AM

FLMountainMan: ajgeek: Slavery; because without it, Capitalism would never work.

As opposed to communism?  C'mon, think these things through a little more.


You don't really know what Communism is... do you? (Hint: None of the following countries were ever Communist: Soviet Union, China, N. Korea).
 
2014-03-11 11:06:19 AM

Nabb1: what_now: I only buy shrimp from the Gulf Coast, so.. not quite slaves.

Got over your worries about BP oil-infused shrimp finally? Good. I thought I was going to have to get a friend of mine from Wildlife and Fisheries to beat you with a wet noodle. Besides, imported shrimp are farmed in very specious conditions, hardly regulated, and seldom tested for contaminants. Many shrimp operations have them growing in waters tainted by chemicals and raw sewage. Not to mention they often have an unpleasant heavy iodine taste to them. So, between slave labor, poop, toxic chemicals, and bad taste, there's no reason to eat imported shrimp.


It took a while for me to eat any shrimp, honestly. I'm from New England- I'm pretty picky about my seafood. I just found out about the Thai shrimp situation a few months ago, but I generally refuse to eat any seafood that wasn't swimming relatively close to me.

For instance, I will never eat (salt water) fish in the Midwest. There's just no need.
 
2014-03-11 11:06:33 AM

xtech: bdub77: Things made with slave labor (this is not an exhaustive list):

Coffee
Chocolate
Clothing
Cell phones
Computers
Diamonds and Gold
Sugar
Cotton (go figure, the poster product of slavery)
Pretty much anything made in China
Shrimp

Here's a harsh reality. Slavery runs the world. If you make over 35k, you are the 1%. If you make over 70k you are the 0.1%. In fact, according to the U.N. nearly half the world's population, 2.8 billion people, earn less than $2 a day and according to the World Bank, 95% of those living in the developing world earn less than $10 a day.

So yeah. Most of the people in our world are basically slaves. That doesn't mean we shouldn't work to improve our conditions or theirs, but merely to acknowledge the fact that forced slavery and wage slavery is probably roughly the equivalent when you're talking half the world earning less than 2 bucks a day.

you forgot IPHONES. there is documented proof that apple uses slave labor in china. samsung? not so much...


But Apple cares about the environment!

One of their longest running green initiatives is to mulch the least productive slaves each month. I can feel the seas stop rising and the land healing itself even as we speak.
 
2014-03-11 11:06:34 AM

hitlersbrain: If I could make one change to human DNA it would be to make downtrodden people instinctively band together and destroy the people oppressing them. The tolerance and even admiration (republicans) we have for cruel and oppressive power is one of our worst traits.


I'll bite.

So you want to force people to resist being forced?
 
2014-03-11 11:06:35 AM
cdn4.nwgimg.com
 
2014-03-11 11:06:41 AM
Funny, I'm reading this from inside a small 4-walled grey structure where I spend 9 hours a day making someone else rich, in exchange for just enough resources to feed myself and have a place to sleep.
 
2014-03-11 11:07:28 AM

what_now: Well of course. $2 a day is apparently enough to buy a family a goat, according to commercials that I see. But that doesn't mean that there aren't people living in slavery or near slavery conditions who produce the goods and products that I consume.


If you really want to believe that, that's fine. Whatever makes you happy.

I'm sure some of the items I buy arn't union made so there for it was made by oppressed people. Remember most "slaves" you're talking about have other options. Not very good ones I'll admit but options never the less.
 
2014-03-11 11:07:28 AM

Nabb1: there's no reason to eat imported shrimp.


The entire imported seafood thing bugs me, I only buy stuff caught in North America, I just don't food safety laws and proper shipping techniques of countries 5000+ miles away.
 
2014-03-11 11:07:35 AM
Almost all of the victims are smuggled from destitute villages in Myanmar...

It will always be Burma to me.
 
2014-03-11 11:08:18 AM

WTFDYW: F*ck SALON.

dnrtfa


Agreed. I try to read them on my phone and they must assume I'm old and blind because the text is so large. Their assumption is right, but I am offended.

/slave shrimp is the best kind
 
2014-03-11 11:08:34 AM
Here is my my go to shramp marinade:

1/3 of a cup of good extra virgin olive oil
4 or 5 cloves of fresh garlic through the micro plane
the juice of 1 lime
a couple of splashes of soy sauce and hot sauce
Fresh ground black pepper (1tsp)

Whisk until emulsified.  Marinade 1lb of shrimp for 20 minutes (the little buggers really absorb the flavor).  Grill 2 to 3 minutes per side on a red hot charcoal grill.  Savor the flavor of exploitation.
 
2014-03-11 11:08:35 AM
Thailand is not the South as subby implies

/racist
 
2014-03-11 11:08:53 AM
I buy farm raised shrimp which is happily destroying the local ecology.
 
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