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(New York Magazine)   When confronted with the fact that her insurance is cheaper under Obamacare, a fake GOP Obamacare "victim" turns to faith and refuses to believe it   (nymag.com ) divider line
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2014-03-11 08:08:03 AM  
I am surprised.
 
2014-03-11 08:08:04 AM  
Study it out.
 
2014-03-11 08:10:15 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Study it out.


Now I see.
 
2014-03-11 08:10:50 AM  
"I personally do not believe that" is what is killing us. Everyone should learn that what you personally believe is meaningless.
 
2014-03-11 08:11:33 AM  
Gold nugget from the comments:

"If you like your cancer, you can keep your cancer."
 
2014-03-11 08:12:06 AM  
She just unskewed the costs.
 
2014-03-11 08:14:21 AM  
The vast majority of folks I've heard complaining about Obamacare policies being too expensive for them personally (as opposed to just complaining about the law) are my fb friends in low-end minimum-wage type jobs. They're not covered because their Tea Party governor Nikki Haley rejected federal medicaid expansion. I understand that they're in a bit of a pickle -- but I can't for the life of me figure out why they aren't mad at the governor who rejected the funding to pay for the coverage.
 
2014-03-11 08:14:42 AM  
That ad makes me stabby when I see it.  She complains that the insurance she got due to ACA didn't meet her needs.  ACA doesn't impose an insurance policy on anyone, it creates a market place where people can purchase insurance.  If she ended up with insurance that didn't meet her needs then it is because she chose insurance that didn't meet her needs from the market place.
 
2014-03-11 08:18:20 AM  
Living in a world made better by the policies of Obama causes debilitating flare ups of Obama Derangement Syndrome which is not covered by Obamacare. Daily electroshock therapy isn't cheap, therefore Obamacare greatly increased her healthcare costs.
 
2014-03-11 08:19:01 AM  
Cancer of the cognitive brain functions is one of the worst kinds.
 
2014-03-11 08:24:08 AM  

dukeblue219: The vast majority of folks I've heard complaining about Obamacare policies being too expensive for them personally (as opposed to just complaining about the law) are my fb friends in low-end minimum-wage type jobs. They're not covered because their Tea Party governor Nikki Haley rejected federal medicaid expansion. I understand that they're in a bit of a pickle -- but I can't for the life of me figure out why they aren't mad at the governor who rejected the funding to pay for the coverage.


Republicans are banking that voters will be just as likely to blame Obama as their governor for not getting insurance.

Notice that none of the Republican Governors are really boasting specifically about not expanding Medicare in their state.
 
2014-03-11 08:26:43 AM  
As with most Republican policy positions it is more about what they believe in their hearts than what is verifiable via observation.
 
2014-03-11 08:27:10 AM  

LasersHurt: "I personally do not believe that" is what is killing us. Everyone should learn that what you personally believe is meaningless.


Is this something you personally believe?

dukeblue219: The vast majority of folks I've heard complaining about Obamacare policies being too expensive for them personally (as opposed to just complaining about the law) are my fb friends in low-end minimum-wage type jobs. They're not covered because their Tea Party governor Nikki Haley rejected federal medicaid expansion. I understand that they're in a bit of a pickle -- but I can't for the life of me figure out why they aren't mad at the governor who rejected the funding to pay for the coverage.


Have they made any comments regarding medicaid being a terrible government program or not wanting the federal government interfering with state government?
 
2014-03-11 08:28:02 AM  
Obamacare but apparently GOPdont.
 
2014-03-11 08:29:14 AM  

moistD: LasersHurt: "I personally do not believe that" is what is killing us. Everyone should learn that what you personally believe is meaningless.

Is this something you personally believe?


I believe so.
 
2014-03-11 08:30:09 AM  
In a pre-Obamacare world this woman would have been denied insurance due to a preexisting condition.
 
2014-03-11 08:30:26 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-11 08:31:18 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: Obamacare but apparently GOPdont.


Due to the blast politicking.
 
2014-03-11 08:32:08 AM  
Bengazzzziii!!! *Gentle sobbing* Bengazi...
 
2014-03-11 08:32:57 AM  

dukeblue219: The vast majority of folks I've heard complaining about Obamacare policies being too expensive for them personally (as opposed to just complaining about the law) are my fb friends in low-end minimum-wage type jobs. They're not covered because their Tea Party governor Nikki Haley rejected federal medicaid expansion. I understand that they're in a bit of a pickle -- but I can't for the life of me figure out why they aren't mad at the governor who rejected the funding to pay for the coverage.


Your friends are stupid. Get new friends.
 
2014-03-11 08:33:15 AM  
I was going to post a Blind Faith reference and say, "What this woman might have looked like once upon a time."  And then I realized how NSFW that cover is.  I need more coffee.
 
2014-03-11 08:33:17 AM  

LasersHurt: moistD: LasersHurt: "I personally do not believe that" is what is killing us. Everyone should learn that what you personally believe is meaningless.

Is this something you personally believe?

I believe so.


static.comicvine.com
 
2014-03-11 08:33:21 AM  

moistD: Have they made any comments regarding medicaid being a terrible government program...


I would assume not since he didn't say his friends were developmentally disabled.
 
2014-03-11 08:35:28 AM  
Here's an idea - let's get these derpheads to convert to a religion in which lying about something bad someone else did is a sin. Then they'd stop this bullshiat. We'd have to give it a snappy name though, like ... Uh... How about "bearing false witness."

Oh. Wait.

shiat.
 
2014-03-11 08:35:46 AM  

dukeblue219: The vast majority of folks I've heard complaining about Obamacare policies being too expensive for them personally (as opposed to just complaining about the law) are my fb friends in low-end minimum-wage type jobs. They're not covered because their Tea Party governor Nikki Haley rejected federal medicaid expansion. I understand that they're in a bit of a pickle -- but I can't for the life of me figure out why they aren't mad at the governor who rejected the funding to pay for the coverage.


Don't let friends herp and derp.
 
2014-03-11 08:35:51 AM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: moistD: Have they made any comments regarding medicaid being a terrible government program...

I would assume not since he didn't say his friends were developmentally disabled.


Seriously. Since when is Medicaid a terrible program?
 
2014-03-11 08:35:56 AM  
I've been pretty much for Obamacare since the beginning, but I gotta tell you; I'm getting hit hard. I don't know who to point the finger at, but my costs have quadrupled. I had to change doctors and health plans, and now all I can afford is a high-deductible Kaiser plan. Even that reduces my take home pay over $250.00 a month

/And I make too much for subsidies
//this sucks
 
2014-03-11 08:37:25 AM  

ginandbacon: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: moistD: Have they made any comments regarding medicaid being a terrible government program...

I would assume not since he didn't say his friends were developmentally disabled.

Seriously. Since when is Medicaid a terrible program?


Since it helps the poors.
 
2014-03-11 08:38:15 AM  
This reminds me of a guy on my FB feed who insisted that his premiums doubled, his deductibles tripled, and his level of coverage is now worse than it was pre-ACA.  I suggested that he contact Fox News immediately, since they'd love to have someone who's been hurt by Obamacare who isn't lying through their teeth.  For some reason he started getting mad, saying that I was "accusing him of lying."  I assured him that was not the case, I was just telling him about a great opportunity to make some money and garner some fame.

Strangely, my comments on his post disappeared shortly thereafter.
 
2014-03-11 08:41:42 AM  

bmongar: ginandbacon: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: moistD: Have they made any comments regarding medicaid being a terrible government program...

I would assume not since he didn't say his friends were developmentally disabled.

Seriously. Since when is Medicaid a terrible program?

Since it helps the poors.


Ah. I guess I forgot about that tiny detail.
 
2014-03-11 08:42:04 AM  
"The point here is not just that he lies when he says conservative things, even if he believes something different in his heart of hearts-but that lying is what makes you sound the way a conservative is supposed to sound, in pretty much the same way that curlicuing all around the note makes you sound like a contestant on  American Idol is supposed to sound."

- RAND PAUL
 
2014-03-11 08:45:05 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I've been pretty much for Obamacare since the beginning, but I gotta tell you; I'm getting hit hard. I don't know who to point the finger at, but my costs have quadrupled. I had to change doctors and health plans, and now all I can afford is a high-deductible Kaiser plan. Even that reduces my take home pay over $250.00 a month

/And I make too much for subsidies
//this sucks



I suggest that you contact Fox News immediately, since they'd love to have someone who's been hurt by Obamacare who isn't lying through their teeth.
 
2014-03-11 08:45:46 AM  

dukeblue219: The vast majority of folks I've heard complaining about Obamacare policies being too expensive for them personally (as opposed to just complaining about the law) are my fb friends in low-end minimum-wage type jobs. They're not covered because their Tea Party governor Nikki Haley rejected federal medicaid expansion. I understand that they're in a bit of a pickle -- but I can't for the life of me figure out why they aren't mad at the governor who rejected the funding to pay for the coverage.


Have they found one of these commercial 'stories' about the increased premiums to be true yet?  Every one I have heard of has been refuted and turns out most have not even gone to the website to check on the insurance, they are only reading pamplets and listening to GOP members telling them the premiums will go up.
 
2014-03-11 08:47:40 AM  

born_yesterday: Bengazzzziii!!! *Gentle sobbing* Bengazi...

cue bongos


♬ Ho! Ho! Ho! ♬ 

Benghazi!  Harp on it!  Harp on it!   Harp on it!

G-O-P!    Harp on it!  Harp on it! Harp on it!

Darrell Issa!   Harp on it!  Harp on it! Harp on it!

Tea Party!   Harp on it!  Harp on it!

 A-booga-booga-booga-booga!
 
2014-03-11 08:50:30 AM  

LasersHurt: "I personally do not believe that" is what is killing us. Everyone should learn that what you personally believe is meaningless.


That right there is one of the new mental illness problems in the USA.The idea that all opinions are equally valid.

I have had conservative acquaintances yell at me and say "Well that's your opinion. I have my own opinion", but they use this "argument" even when debating facts. When I say "This isn't an opinion, it is measurable and documented." they just sort of blink and then repeat that they too have their own opinions.

It's really bizarre.
 
2014-03-11 08:52:11 AM  

dukeblue219: The vast majority of folks I've heard complaining about Obamacare policies being too expensive for them personally (as opposed to just complaining about the law) are my fb friends in low-end minimum-wage type jobs. They're not covered because their Tea Party governor Nikki Haley rejected federal medicaid expansion. I understand that they're in a bit of a pickle -- but I can't for the life of me figure out why they aren't mad at the governor who rejected the funding to pay for the coverage.


Because facts don't matter, just what team they support.
 
2014-03-11 08:55:19 AM  

moistD: Have they made any comments regarding medicaid being a terrible government program or not wanting the federal government interfering with state government?


I understand those arguments -- I truly do. But I'm talking about people who were uninsured completely and now are forced to buy insurance through Obamacare and don't have subsidies because of the state government, but don't seem to grasp that. I guess you can take a ethical stance that it's not right for the federal government (and obviously the taxpayers) to pay for your state's heathcare needs, but when your current health plan is just showing up at the ER uninsured for every little illness it rings pretty hollow. It seems to me everything would work a lot smoother if we just expanded Medicaid instead of having people show up for uninsured treatment of a sore throat at the ER.
 
2014-03-11 08:55:22 AM  

SpectroBoy: LasersHurt: "I personally do not believe that" is what is killing us. Everyone should learn that what you personally believe is meaningless.

That right there is one of the new mental illness problems in the USA.The idea that all opinions are equally valid.

I have had conservative acquaintances yell at me and say "Well that's your opinion. I have my own opinion", but they use this "argument" even when debating facts. When I say "This isn't an opinion, it is measurable and documented." they just sort of blink and then repeat that they too have their own opinions.

It's really bizarre.


Libfacts™ aren't REAL facts.

/truthiness
 
2014-03-11 08:56:17 AM  

Teufelaffe: This reminds me of a guy on my FB feed who insisted that his premiums doubled, his deductibles tripled, and his level of coverage is now worse than it was pre-ACA.  I suggested that he contact Fox News immediately, since they'd love to have someone who's been hurt by Obamacare who isn't lying through their teeth.  For some reason he started getting mad, saying that I was "accusing him of lying."  I assured him that was not the case, I was just telling him about a great opportunity to make some money and garner some fame.

Strangely, my comments on his post disappeared shortly thereafter.


Something very similar happened with a friend of mine.
 
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2014-03-11 08:56:56 AM  
SpectroBoy:
That right there is one of the new mental illness problems in the USA.The idea that all opinions are equally valid.

I have had conservative acquaintances yell at me and say "Well that's your opinion. I have my own opinion", but they use this "argument" even when debating facts. When I say "This isn't an opinion, it is measurable and documented." they just sort of blink and then repeat that they too have their own opinions.


I don't think it's all that new.  Some people are not empiricists.  To them belief is more important than facts.
 
2014-03-11 09:00:29 AM  

SpectroBoy: LasersHurt: "I personally do not believe that" is what is killing us. Everyone should learn that what you personally believe is meaningless.

That right there is one of the new mental illness problems in the USA.The idea that all opinions are equally valid.

I have had conservative acquaintances yell at me and say "Well that's your opinion. I have my own opinion", but they use this "argument" even when debating facts. When I say "This isn't an opinion, it is measurable and documented." they just sort of blink and then repeat that they too have their own opinions.

It's really bizarre.


I had this exact problem yesterday when trying to explain why Welfare Queens was a bullshiat idea, etc. Apparently, "nuh uh," also "liberal studies" and "but I saw them with phones."
 
2014-03-11 09:02:10 AM  
When advised of the details of her Blues' plan, Boonstra said the idea that it would be cheaper "can't be true."
"I personally do not believe that," Boonstra said.


Completely disregarding factual information to suit her partisan and religious beliefs.

She isn't on the fringe or an extremist. She's the average Republican. She is literally substituting reality with her own beliefs. If this type of scenario where brought before a judge she would be required to undergo psychological analysis and treatment.
 
2014-03-11 09:02:47 AM  

LasersHurt: SpectroBoy: LasersHurt: "I personally do not believe that" is what is killing us. Everyone should learn that what you personally believe is meaningless.

That right there is one of the new mental illness problems in the USA.The idea that all opinions are equally valid.

I have had conservative acquaintances yell at me and say "Well that's your opinion. I have my own opinion", but they use this "argument" even when debating facts. When I say "This isn't an opinion, it is measurable and documented." they just sort of blink and then repeat that they too have their own opinions.

It's really bizarre.

I had this exact problem yesterday when trying to explain why Welfare Queens was a bullshiat idea, etc. Apparently, "nuh uh," also "liberal studies" and "but I saw them with phones."


Fox News has really harmed our nation.
 
2014-03-11 09:03:28 AM  
Just wondering why a local insurance agent doesn't contact her to offer her the same plan for the same rate she was paying, then at the end of her first year of enrollment or upon successful treatment of her cancer, give her the money she saved and let her know she has an ACA compliant plan?
 
2014-03-11 09:04:10 AM  

Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 245x220]


Heh... That's great. Nice work.
 
2014-03-11 09:05:12 AM  

LittleJoeSF: Just wondering why a local insurance agent doesn't contact her to offer her the same plan for the same rate she was paying, then at the end of her first year of enrollment or upon successful treatment of her cancer, give her

half the money she saved and let her know she has an ACA compliant plan?

We're talking about insurance companies now.  Be realistic.
 
2014-03-11 09:06:21 AM  

LasersHurt: "I personally do not believe that" is what is killing us. Everyone should learn that what you personally believe is meaningless.


Yeah, pretty much.  One person's beliefs are not as good as another person's facts.
 
2014-03-11 09:07:03 AM  
The new motto of the Party of Personal Responsibility: "Look what you made me do".

Sometimes I wonder if the world that conservatives live in really is more dire and horrible than the liberals' world, simply due to the amount of self-harm they inflict in protest of being proven wrong (and then blame the liberals for making them hurt themselves).
 
2014-03-11 09:07:15 AM  
"Here are the facts."
"I personally don't believe it."


Yup, she's a Republican all right.
 
2014-03-11 09:07:52 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I've been pretty much for Obamacare since the beginning, but I gotta tell you; I'm getting hit hard. I don't know who to point the finger at, but my costs have quadrupled. I had to change doctors and health plans, and now all I can afford is a high-deductible Kaiser plan. Even that reduces my take home pay over $250.00 a month

/And I make too much for subsidies
//this sucks


That's pretty massive.  How come?
Not covered through work?
Old plan was really cheap and shiatty?
Why couldn't you keep the old plan?
Nobody on the exchange or privately offered anything close to the cost of the old plan?

I mean, yeah, some people and areas saw costs go up a bit, but quadruple?  That's awful.
 
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