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(CNN)   Using Twitter to advocate an uprising against the government in Egypt? Yeah, that's a 10-year jailin'. Arab Spring, great success   (cnn.com) divider line 36
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2014-03-11 09:09:35 AM
This Is An Outrage!
 
2014-03-11 09:10:07 AM
Coming soon to an America near you.
 
2014-03-11 09:10:50 AM
Who they should arrest are the Jr. cub reporters who retweet local news stories like it's their job.
 
2014-03-11 09:12:12 AM
Saudi Arabia is called Egypt now?
 
2014-03-11 09:13:34 AM
They'd be up for 20 years in the land of the free.
 
2014-03-11 09:16:15 AM

generallyso: Saudi Arabia is called Egypt now?


Sure, why not?

I also like that they're swiping at the Arab Spring in Egypt, when the former dictator's cronies just overthrew the democratically elected government that formed in the wake of the Spring. In other words, the pre-Spring government is back in control.
 
2014-03-11 09:17:02 AM
Egypt is a kingdom again?

Spiffy! Who got elected Pharaoh?
 
2014-03-11 09:21:50 AM
Saudi Arabia, Egypt... whats the difference, really? I mean they're all brown and got towels on their heads.

/amidoinitrite?
 
2014-03-11 09:26:30 AM

HotWingConspiracy: generallyso: Saudi Arabia is called Egypt now?

Sure, why not?

I also like that they're swiping at the Arab Spring in Egypt, when the former dictator's cronies just overthrew the democratically elected government that formed in the wake of the Spring. In other words, the pre-Spring government is back in control.


You mean the government that was trying to give Morsy all the power and turn him into an Islamic dictator?  It sounds like the people chose the lesser of two evils.
 
2014-03-11 09:28:21 AM
MLB was a pack of criminals and dictators in waiting. Why you pin heads can't grasp that not every guy that is elected is a good guy, I will never get.
 
2014-03-11 09:46:32 AM

HotWingConspiracy: the former dictator's cronies just overthrew the democratically elected government that formed in the wake of the Spring


Those were quite a lot of cronies. And the elected just happened to be an islamic fundamentalist who tried to form an islamic dictatorship. This guy was the epitome of democracy! strange that so many were pissed.

The "Arab Spring" was a failure. It continues to be one (see Syria).
 
2014-03-11 09:59:27 AM

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: the former dictator's cronies just overthrew the democratically elected government that formed in the wake of the Spring

Those were quite a lot of cronies. And the elected just happened to be an islamic fundamentalist who tried to form an islamic dictatorship. This guy was the epitome of democracy! strange that so many were pissed.


Nothing you can say changes the truth in my statement. Everything I said would go down there has come to pass, including the outlawing of the only party capable of challenging the military junta. Why you support military dictatorships over democratic elections is anyone's guess.

The "Arab Spring" was a failure. It continues to be one (see Syria).

Well a few cruise missiles, gas attacks and starvation will tend to wear a revolution down.
 
2014-03-11 10:06:11 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Nothing you can say changes the truth in my statement.


You mean besides the actual facts ? the actual reality of what happened explained in detail in the links i provided ?

HotWingConspiracy: Why you support military dictatorships over democratic elections is anyone's guess


How hard is to understand that Morsi, while elected democratically, was not living up to the expectations of a ruling as a democracy ? does 'islamic dictatorship' means democracy to you ? why do you ignore this obvious fact ?

HotWingConspiracy: Well a few cruise missiles, gas attacks and starvation will tend to wear a revolution down.


Not being able to sustain a functional democracy helps a bit too.
 
2014-03-11 10:07:37 AM
Should consider themselves lucky.  Putin would have had them killed.
 
2014-03-11 10:10:28 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Why you support military dictatorships over democratic elections is anyone's guess.


Just noticed this gem.
What makes you think i support a military dictatorship ? where have i ever said anything of the sort ? unlike you i know that in Egypt the options are 'Islamic jihadist theocracy' or 'oppressive ruthless military dictatorship'.

Both options suck.
 
2014-03-11 10:11:44 AM

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: Nothing you can say changes the truth in my statement.

You mean besides the actual facts ? the actual reality of what happened explained in detail in the links i provided ?


Actual facts like a military coup deposing a democratically elected president? That happened in front of the world. I'm sure it's complete happenstance that the former general is now running essentially unopposed for president.

HotWingConspiracy: Why you support military dictatorships over democratic elections is anyone's guess

How hard is to understand that Morsi, while elected democratically, was not living up to the expectations of a ruling as a democracy ? does 'islamic dictatorship' means democracy to you ? why do you ignore this obvious fact ?


The article points out he had opposition. Dictators have no such concerns. He had no ability to exert the kind of control you're alleging.

HotWingConspiracy: Well a few cruise missiles, gas attacks and starvation will tend to wear a revolution down.

Not being able to sustain a functional democracy helps a bit too.


I'm not so sure they were given the opportunity to create one, but ok.
 
2014-03-11 10:18:04 AM

HotWingConspiracy: TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: Nothing you can say changes the truth in my statement.

You mean besides the actual facts ? the actual reality of what happened explained in detail in the links i provided ?

Actual facts like a military coup deposing a democratically elected president? That happened in front of the world. I'm sure it's complete happenstance that the former general is now running essentially unopposed for president.

HotWingConspiracy: Why you support military dictatorships over democratic elections is anyone's guess

How hard is to understand that Morsi, while elected democratically, was not living up to the expectations of a ruling as a democracy ? does 'islamic dictatorship' means democracy to you ? why do you ignore this obvious fact ?

The article points out he had opposition. Dictators have no such concerns. He had no ability to exert the kind of control you're alleging.

HotWingConspiracy: Well a few cruise missiles, gas attacks and starvation will tend to wear a revolution down.

Not being able to sustain a functional democracy helps a bit too.

I'm not so sure they were given the opportunity to create one, but ok.


That's because he was in the process of reforming the constitution to give him all the power.  The people realized this and figured this option was even worse.  Stop being deliberately blind because you don't want to accept the truth.
 
2014-03-11 10:18:21 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Actual facts like a military coup deposing a democratically elected president? That happened in front of the world


What the fark is wrong with you ? doe the facts in the links i provided too complex for you ?

HotWingConspiracy: The article points out he had opposition. Dictators have no such concerns. He had no ability to exert the kind of control you're alleging.


Ah so you simply had no clue about the facts. You had no idea what he tried to do. Explain to me how that is democratic.

HotWingConspiracy: I'm not so sure they were given the opportunity to create one, but ok.


'Not sure' are the key words here.
 
2014-03-11 10:21:25 AM

AntonChigger: That's because he was in the process of reforming the constitution to give him all the power


HotWingConspriracyseems to have a blind spot for this simple fact.

AntonChigger: The people realized this and figured this option was even worse


Correct as explained in details in the links i provided.
 
2014-03-11 10:40:28 AM

AntonChigger: That's because he was in the process of reforming the constitution to give him all the power.


Which is a direct result of the military holding the reigns of power there. Any democratically elected leader would be a fool to not take on a cartel like that.

But no worries, they've taken care of that threat. Now they'll get a general elected by outlawing his only opposition and you'll cheer.
 
2014-03-11 10:42:03 AM

AntonChigger: The people realized this and figured this option was even worse.


Also, you might want to qualify that this was not universal. Many MANY Egyptians are viscerally opposed to living under a military dictatorship again.

They don't matter in your world.
 
2014-03-11 10:55:48 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Which is a direct result of the military holding the reigns of power there. Any democratically elected leader would be a fool to not take on a cartel like that.


But that's not what happened. That's you making shiat up.

HotWingConspiracy: Also, you might want to qualify that this was not universal. Many MANY Egyptians are viscerally opposed to living under a military dictatorship again


Many MANY Egyptians understand that an islamic theocracy is not a democracy. You seem to have a bit of difficulty in that department.
How do you justify this fact to yourself ? convince yourself that all those protesters were 'military cronies' ?
 
2014-03-11 10:57:03 AM

TappingTheVein: AntonChigger: That's because he was in the process of reforming the constitution to give him all the power

HotWingConspriracyseems to have a blind spot for this simple fact.

AntonChigger: The people realized this and figured this option was even worse

Correct as explained in details in the links i provided.


Y'know, I agree with most of what you said.
Except Morsi never tried to set up an Islamic state.
Heck, the people there would have rallied behind him if he had tried that. It was just a power grab.
Nope. The Casinos remained after he came to power. The night clubs/cabarets as well. Alcohol was not banned.

I've said it once I'll say it again:
Muslim Brotherhood =\= Muslim Party.

I've spoken to guy who was ex-MB and he told how it was an underground group that rallied for power, had non-Muslims as members and rallied the uneducated by calls of reform.
(Sounds like most parties). The only difference was their secrecy.

Regardless of who is in power, things won't change because the people haven't changed.

/Meet new boss. Same as old boss.
 
2014-03-11 10:59:16 AM

HotWingConspiracy: AntonChigger: That's because he was in the process of reforming the constitution to give him all the power.

Which is a direct result of the military holding the reigns of power there. Any democratically elected leader would be a fool to not take on a cartel like that.


You're honestly going to claim that its ok for a democratically elected leader to assign himself all the power and become another dictator just so he can give the previous government the middle finger?  You're insane.

But no worries, they've taken care of that threat. Now they'll get a general elected by outlawing his only opposition and you'll cheer.

I'm not cheering anything.  Its a shiatty situation, and the people know this, so they seem to have chosen what they deem to be the lesser of two evils.

HotWingConspiracy: AntonChigger: The people realized this and figured this option was even worse.

Also, you might want to qualify that this was not universal. Many MANY Egyptians are viscerally opposed to living under a military dictatorship again.

They don't matter in your world.


Of course they matter!  However, NOTHING is universal.  The world is not black and white, so stop acting like it is.  Plenty of americans didn't want Obama to win the election, but the majority voted for him, so he won.  Someone will ALWAYS be unhappy with the current conditions, but in Egypt's case more people were unhappy under what was rapidly becoming an Islamist government than under military rule, and that won out in the end.  Again, its a shiatty situation.
 
2014-03-11 11:04:41 AM

Resident Muslim: Except Morsi never tried to set up an Islamic state.


He gave himself the authority to write the constitution.What kind of constitution islamic fundamentalists like the Muslim Brotherhood would come up with ?

Resident Muslim: The Casinos remained after he came to power. The night clubs/cabarets as well. Alcohol was not banned.


So did the clubs in Gaza when Hamas took over. Guess what happened a couple of years later ?

Resident Muslim: Regardless of who is in power, things won't change because the people haven't changed.


Exactly. This is why the Arab Spring was doomed from the start.
 
2014-03-11 11:19:25 AM
Go on! Entertain me my fellow farkers! Entertain!
 
2014-03-11 11:28:14 AM
Organized rebellion is never well received.

i.imgur.com

Unless you win.
 
2014-03-11 11:45:46 AM

TappingTheVein: Resident Muslim: Except Morsi never tried to set up an Islamic state.

He gave himself the authority to write the constitution.What kind of constitution islamic fundamentalists like the Muslim Brotherhood would come up with ?

Resident Muslim: The Casinos remained after he came to power. The night clubs/cabarets as well. Alcohol was not banned.

So did the clubs in Gaza when Hamas took over. Guess what happened a couple of years later ?

Resident Muslim: Regardless of who is in power, things won't change because the people haven't changed.

Exactly. This is why the Arab Spring was doomed from the start.


Uhm. I keep repeating this.
MB is not an Islamic Fundamentalist group. It is a political party that tries to paint itself with that brush.
One of the 'Fundamentals' of Islam is that you do not overthrow the ruler/government. In almost all the cases I've read, (and trust me, this Arab Spring got my attention) things get worse for a full generation after a coup before they start improving. The question can then be asked are these improvements directly related or would have happened over time anyway.
My cynical self suspects the second.
The Wikipedia link you provided (even though I know it's wiki, and therefore has multiple authors) seems to contradict itself in several locations.
If I'm not mistaken, the casinos are still there.
Searching online pulled up a link of -ironically- the Gaza Casino being destroyed by IDF bombing in 2006.

/wiki link you provided did offer amusement in the latest fearmongering with its use of the word 'Talibanization'!
 
2014-03-11 12:31:51 PM

sandbar67: Saudi Arabia, Egypt... whats the difference, really? I mean they're all brown and got towels on their heads.

/amidoinitrite?


Yeah, but this guy would disagree.
www.elginism.com
 
2014-03-11 12:39:46 PM

Resident Muslim: MB is not an Islamic Fundamentalist group. It is a political party that tries to paint itself with that brush.


Hamas is also a political party. It is also an offshoot of Egypt's MB. Sort of the local branch.

Resident Muslim: The Wikipedia link you provided (even though I know it's wiki, and therefore has multiple authors) seems to contradict itself in several locations.


Hamas, without a doubt, started  enforcing their vision of Islamic law resulting in the islamization of Gaza. which details seem to be contradicting ?

Resident Muslim: Searching online pulled up a link of -ironically- the Gaza Casino being destroyed by IDF bombing in 2006.


Care to post it ? i'm curious to see if it was one of Hamas' 'Israel will never touch us here, let's fire our missiles from this building!' tried and true tactic.

Resident Muslim: wiki link you provided did offer amusement in the latest fearmongering with its use of the word 'Talibanization'!


Amusing ? maybe. Accurate though: "whereby the Islamist organization imposed strict rules on women, discouraged activities commonly associated with Western or Christian culture, oppressed non-Muslim minorities, imposed sharia law, and deployed religious police to enforce these laws".
 
2014-03-11 01:23:42 PM

AntonChigger: Its a shiatty situation, and the people know this, so they seem to have chosen what they deem to be the lesser of two evils.


The people chose a leader via a legal election, then there was a military coup. On tv. In front of the world. You're ok with this because Muslim.

You don't give a flying shiat about Egyptians and their right to democracy.
 
2014-03-11 01:25:49 PM

AntonChigger: Of course they matter!  However, NOTHING is universal.  The world is not black and white, so stop acting like it is.  Plenty of americans didn't want Obama to win the election, but the majority voted for him, so he won.


And you'll support a military coup to depose him?
 
2014-03-11 01:27:21 PM

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: Also, you might want to qualify that this was not universal. Many MANY Egyptians are viscerally opposed to living under a military dictatorship again

Many MANY Egyptians understand that an islamic theocracy is not a democracy. You seem to have a bit of difficulty in that department.
How do you justify this fact to yourself ? convince yourself that all those protesters were 'military cronies' ?


Just go ahead and apply whatever tortured logic your bigoted mind uses to somehow construe a military coup as being a savior of democracy.
 
2014-03-11 01:51:25 PM

generallyso: Saudi Arabia is called Egypt now?


Saudi/Egypt same difference.
 
2014-03-11 02:51:03 PM

HotWingConspiracy: AntonChigger: Of course they matter!  However, NOTHING is universal.  The world is not black and white, so stop acting like it is.  Plenty of americans didn't want Obama to win the election, but the majority voted for him, so he won.

And you'll support a military coup to depose him?


Is Obama instilling himself as dictatorial head of the US?  I think not, so no.

HotWingConspiracy: TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: Also, you might want to qualify that this was not universal. Many MANY Egyptians are viscerally opposed to living under a military dictatorship again

Many MANY Egyptians understand that an islamic theocracy is not a democracy. You seem to have a bit of difficulty in that department.
How do you justify this fact to yourself ? convince yourself that all those protesters were 'military cronies' ?

Just go ahead and apply whatever tortured logic your bigoted mind uses to somehow construe a military coup as being a savior of democracy.


And where exactly did I claim that?  Your delusional mind must be in overdrive because I keep having to repeat the fact that they chose the lesser of two evils.  Neither is a good democratic solution, unless they can elect someone that won't try to reform the constitution to turn the democracy into a dictatorship.  All I've been trying to do is explain why the people overthrew Morsi and that he wasn't a shining beacon of democracy like you claim he is.
 
2014-03-11 03:41:26 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Just go ahead and apply whatever tortured logic your bigoted mind uses to somehow construe a military coup as being a savior of democracy.


I never said that, i simply pointed out how your observations are laughingly wrong and i provided clear evidence for your stupidity, several times.  In fact i quite clearly said the opposite about the military dictatorship.

I seriously don't get you. How can you ignore the facts when they are shoved in your face over and over ?  selective reading ? and why do you come up with this lying about the military dictatorship ? especially when i pointed out the exact opposite ?
 
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