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(Slate)   Rand Paul calls out GOP Chicken Hawks. COCK A DOODLE DO MOTHERFARKERS RAND PAUL IS HERE. RAND PAUL   (slate.com) divider line 41
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2014-03-11 08:31:03 AM  
So Republicans are quick to threaten military action, where American soldiers and innocent civilians might be killed, just to advance their own political careers? Must be a day that ends in 'y'.
 
2014-03-11 08:44:32 AM  
"What we don't need right now is politicians who have never seen war talking tough for the sake of their political careers."

Well, jeeze Rand, if we don't have a war going on how are we gonna get any experience in it and level up :( :( :(
 
2014-03-11 08:46:31 AM  
So who did he plagiarize this time?
 
2014-03-11 08:52:38 AM  
Fark: Where a Republican actually goes and denounces war and everyone thinks it is wrong.
 
2014-03-11 08:53:21 AM  
So Rand Paul is calling out the Republicans who like little boys? Isn't that, like, all of them?
 
2014-03-11 08:55:52 AM  
good on yah Rand.

Still not voting for your dominionist BS, but I *do* so love it when you point out the hypocrisy of Chickenhawks.
 
2014-03-11 08:56:08 AM  
He's not wrong. He's still Rand thought.

Bin Laden was right in his calculation that pretty much anyone can goad us in to going full retard at the drop of a hat, and it's only going to hurt us in the long run.

Our adversaries are pretty keen to our weaknesses and will exploit them. All they have to do is wait for us to threaten military action, then propose compromises that look rational no matter what in the face of what we're threatening.
 
2014-03-11 09:19:21 AM  
War, huh yeah
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing, oh hoh, oh
War huh yeah
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing, say it again y'all
War, huh good God
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing, listen to me

- Rand Paul
 
2014-03-11 09:21:31 AM  
War. War never changes

-Rand Paul
 
2014-03-11 09:26:54 AM  
I'm definitely warming up to him.
 
2014-03-11 09:32:56 AM  
Rand Paul couldn't take a shiat without plagiarizing the sound of the turd falling into the bowl.
 
2014-03-11 09:35:02 AM  
I still think this is part of the reason so many on the left are so hostile towards libertarians - they're more antiwar than most democrats.  If Rand was the Republican nominee, a vote for a Democrat would be a vote for the pro war party.
 
2014-03-11 09:39:55 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: He's not wrong. He's still Rand though.


This.  Still wouldn't vote for him.
 
2014-03-11 09:41:39 AM  
Too bad his ideas span the spectrum from rational thought like this where we don't need to beat the war drums to the other end where there is no need for civil rights laws and businesses should be able to serve whomever they choose.
If he could limit his lunacy he could have a shot at appealing to more mainstream thinkers.
 
2014-03-11 09:51:13 AM  

MattStafford: I still think this is part of the reason so many on the left are so hostile towards libertarians



I lol'd.

/needs moar coconuts
 
2014-03-11 09:52:32 AM  

Destructor: I'm definitely warming up to him.


No you aren't.  You started out hot for him and you've been playing Paulestinian ever since.

He's tempting until you get a close look, and his many failings are (arguably) outshined by his value as a voice making statements like this one.

Sadly, just as you ignore all his authoritarian stripes the GOP ignores all his cogent libertarian points.  He says, "drone strikes are troublesome, we need to step down our military, this security state is bad," but all the CPACers hear is, "Obama bad, Tax cuts good, Obama bad, Tax cuts good."
 
2014-03-11 09:57:21 AM  

TheBigJerk: Destructor: I'm definitely warming up to him.

No you aren't.  You started out hot for him and you've been playing Paulestinian ever since.

He's tempting until you get a close look, and his many failings are (arguably) outshined by his value as a voice making statements like this one.

Sadly, just as you ignore all his authoritarian stripes the GOP ignores all his cogent libertarian points.  He says, "drone strikes are troublesome, we need to step down our military, this security state is bad," but all the CPACers hear is, "Obama bad, Tax cuts good, Obama bad, Tax cuts good."


"Jim Crow will come back in the south, and the Bible Belt will make women religious chattel at the state level, but my taxes will go down slightly, I'll be able to smoke weed, become isolationist, and maybe have hookers" is the rallying cry of the entire Paul family.
 
2014-03-11 10:01:12 AM  
The current tussle with Russia offers a good example. Mitt Romney had a view about the global threat posed by the Russians. It might have been wrong and it might have been right. It looks more right every day.

Um, no. Mitt intimated that Russia would be up to its Cold War "we will bury you"* days. This is a clusterfark, sure, but it's not belligerence on that scale, not even close.

The world is still pretty much stable, and if on some distant planet, on some distant day, Russia does end up being Public Enemy #1, saying "Mitt Romney Johnson was right!" would be like claiming a former lottery winner could pick the next night's drawings.

// "looks more right" in the sense that a Picasso "looks more" like a person than my 1.5 year old nephew's drawings of me do

*I know the use of that phrase has undergone a bit of a postmortem. You get my point.
 
2014-03-11 10:10:07 AM  

TheBigJerk: No you aren't. You started out hot for him and you've been playing Paulestinian ever since.


I'm... pretty sure I was... I thought I was.... Actually, I used to like Paul Ryan more. But, he hasn't wow'd me lately. Have I been rooting for Rand? Yup. Incrementally he's looking better and better. IMHO, I like either Rand Paul or Paul Ryan (man, is that going to make an idiotic sounding ticket). Not much of a fan of any of the other guys. But, its early still...

TheBigJerk: He's tempting until you get a close look, and his many failings are (arguably) outshined by his value as a voice making statements like this one.


So sure, is he perfect? /shrug. I doubt it. But so far so good.

I realize we're easily one step away from hearing him (or any other hopeful) say something terribly dumb killing (depending on how dumb, justifiably) any hope of progressing further.
 
2014-03-11 10:15:39 AM  

MattStafford: I still think this is part of the reason so many on the left are so hostile towards libertarians - they're more antiwar than most democrats.  If Rand was the Republican nominee, a vote for a Democrat would be a vote for the pro war party.


Nah, it's hipsterism and symbolism.  Libertarians, or rather the people who talk for them the loudest and proudest, tend to be self-aggrandizing and hypocritical jerks who tend to end up marching lock-step with the Republicans whenever they win.  Sam Brownback was the Libertarian candidate for president if you'll remember, if you remember, and it's his governorship of Kansas that has seen all the regressive, Christian "freedom to oppress" court cases and legislation and executive initiatives.

The only thing worse than an enemy is an enemy who flies someone else' colors.  If Rand Paul ran as GOP candidate he would CLAIM to be the anti-war candidate, yet if he were president right now I can't say I would be surprised in the SLIGHTEST if he made military overtures towards Russia in the name of "contractual obligation" to one or more of the treaties we have signed.

Rationalization is so easy, and a political dogma which glorifies self-interest as the highest virtue is the quickest to be corrupted.

Don't get me wrong, Randy has his positive qualities, but I never feel the need to mention them when there are so many libertarians coming out acting like he has no flaws at all.
 
2014-03-11 10:17:10 AM  

globalwarmingpraiser: Fark: Where a Republican actually goes and denounces war and everyone thinks it is wrong.


Uh, you're thinking of CPAC.
 
2014-03-11 10:18:44 AM  
War!  What is it good for?

-Rand Paul
 
2014-03-11 10:26:59 AM  

globalwarmingpraiser: Fark: Where a Republican actually goes and denounces war and everyone thinks it is wrong.


You aren't getting that from me. Just like a dog, you reward good behavior.

No matter what the dog's reason is.
 
2014-03-11 10:58:58 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: "What we don't need right now is politicians who have never seen war talking tough for the sake of their political careers."

Well, jeeze Rand, if we don't have a war going on how are we gonna get any experience in it and level up :( :( :(


Indeed what we need is a bunch of neo-Confederate hucksters who crow about how awesome "libertarian ideals" are while at the same time suggesting that state governments should have absolute power and that the Supremacy Clause should be tossed out.
 
2014-03-11 11:08:17 AM  
Even a Republican can be right once in a while. It'll take more than that to get my vote, though. Like a complete change in direction for the entire party.
 
2014-03-11 11:30:43 AM  

Destructor: I'm definitely warming up to him.


Of course you are.
 
2014-03-11 11:42:17 AM  
What branch of the military did Rand Paul serve in?
 
2014-03-11 11:44:29 AM  

Destructor: Have I been rooting for Rand? Yup. Incrementally he's looking better and better.


It's the toupée.
 
2014-03-11 11:49:46 AM  

Without Fail: What branch of the military did Rand Paul serve in?


The military wouldn't accept him, so he formed his own and made himself General of it.
 
2014-03-11 12:02:50 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: Fark: Where a Republican actually goes and denounces war and everyone thinks it is wrong.


Look how stupid you are.

What you mean is, "where a republican actually goes and denounces war and everyone thinks he's right on THIS count but still generally a giant douchebag"
 
2014-03-11 12:02:58 PM  
Oh, man. Ron W. Paul is all up in this biznitch.
 
2014-03-11 12:59:37 PM  
Smart boy, got a mind like a steel trap - full of mice.
 
2014-03-11 03:01:23 PM  

monoski: Too bad his ideas span the spectrum from rational thought like this where we don't need to beat the war drums to the other end where there is no need for civil rights laws and businesses should be able to serve whomever they choose.
If he could limit his lunacy he could have a shot at appealing to more mainstream thinkers.



Rand Paul is not at all of the belief that there is "no need for civil rights laws," as you claim. He just agrees in the bolded part of your statement. And so do I, fwiw
 
2014-03-11 03:19:03 PM  

Kid the Universe: businesses should be able to serve whomever they choose.

Rand Paul is not at all of the belief that there is "no need for civil rights laws," as you claim. He just agrees in the bolded part of your statement. And so do I, fwiw


Private businesses don't have to serve people they don't want to.
Public businesses, that use publicly provided resources, do.

If you want to discriminate, don't run a business that is open to the public.

Ron Paul is a documented racist piece of shiat, but we don't know that about Rand Paul.
We just assume that because he is such an asshole.
 
2014-03-11 03:31:58 PM  

Without Fail: Kid the Universe: businesses should be able to serve whomever they choose.

Rand Paul is not at all of the belief that there is "no need for civil rights laws," as you claim. He just agrees in the bolded part of your statement. And so do I, fwiw

Private businesses don't have to serve people they don't want to.
Public businesses, that use publicly provided resources, do.

If you want to discriminate, don't run a business that is open to the public.

Ron Paul is a documented racist piece of shiat, but we don't know that about Rand Paul.
We just assume that because he is such an asshole.


I don't think that is accurate, though I am not a lawyer. As for public enterprises: obviously they shouldn't be allowed to discriminate

As for Ron Paul, I am aware of what you are referring to (the newsletters, etc) but this article doesn't even mention the old man so excuse me for disregarding your "sins of the father" argument. I have plenty of reasons not to like Rand Paul and his old man so I don't really need to manufacture ones out of thin air.
 
2014-03-11 04:55:38 PM  

Kid the Universe: Rand Paul is not at all of the belief that there is "no need for civil rights laws," as you claim. He just agrees in the bolded part of your statement. And so do I, fwiw


Businesses are fine choosing not to serve people who are jerks, for instance.  I've kicked people out for being jerks.

Businesses are not fine choosing not to serve people of different faiths, races, or genders/sexualities.  Why?  Look at the pre-civil-rights-era south, that should be all you need.  You might think it's not a big deal if one place discriminates because there are alternatives, but when an entire town chooses to discriminate, then there's a farking problem.
 
2014-03-11 04:55:47 PM  
Man, some of you guys can be so partisan. I'm a leftist lib, but if he keeps this up, and we can't prevent a Hillary/Kerry type from getting the DNC nomination, I'd consider voting for him. Sorry, but for me at least, fixing our toxic foreign policy/surveillance state takes priority. That said, we still have a bit of time until 2016 and I hope we can get a viable anti-war left leaner.
 
2014-03-11 05:03:27 PM  

SpacePirate: our toxic foreign policy


Oh, do go on.
 
2014-03-11 07:32:34 PM  

Kid the Universe: As for Ron Paul, I am aware of what you are referring to (the newsletters, etc) but this article doesn't even mention the old man so excuse me for disregarding your "sins of the father" argument.


What argument?

I mentioned, accurately, that Ron Paul is a documented racist.
He is.

I also mentioned that we don't know that about Rand Paul.
We don't. (Although he has never publicly disavowed his fathers racism.)

And I also pointed out that Rand Paul is an asshole.
He is.

What's the problem?
 
2014-03-11 07:36:41 PM  

SpacePirate: I'm a leftist lib, but if he keeps this up, and we can't prevent a Hillary/Kerry type from getting the DNC nomination, I'd consider voting for him.


Do some research. Rand Paul is a farking sociopath.
 
2014-03-11 07:55:16 PM  
"Constitutionally & from the standpoint of our natural rights, we should be able to discriminate in renting or otherwise using our property -sexually, racially, religiously, ethnically, or just because we don't like the person's face."

-Ron Paul  Rand Paul
 
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