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2014-03-11 08:43:53 AM  
The Jaguars have plenty of money this year, I'm anticipating good things. I'm also curious to see if there's interest in MJD out there.
 
2014-03-11 08:56:56 AM  
Looks like Brandon Albert's finally heading to the Dolphins. Look at his three newest Twitter followers-

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2014-03-11 09:37:57 AM  
I'm mad that Suh didn't redo his deal and is a jackass, because he could have freed up 9+ million in cap room for the Lions (Sure you want win, Suh).

But I'm also a little happy because the Lions are the team who would give Decker 10+ million a year.
 
2014-03-11 09:38:05 AM  
Will Jimmy Graham stay a Saint?

Yes.  It would be insane to let him get away.
 
2014-03-11 09:41:20 AM  

ristst: Will Jimmy Graham stay a Saint?

Yes.  It would be insane to let him get away.


You have to be kind of insane to try and sign him too. Even if you can get the Saints to agree to defer the picks you're giving up to 2015 and 2016, it's still a lot to give up.

I'm sure the Raiders will try to sign him, because they somehow have 80 million in cap room and are insane.
 
2014-03-11 09:42:00 AM  
Cmon Eagles, bring in Byrd or Ward, we need some talent back there, we're fine with Fletcher and Williams on the outside, as long as you give them some help
 
2014-03-11 09:53:38 AM  

skybreaker: I'm mad that Suh didn't redo his deal and is a jackass, because he could have freed up 9+ million in cap room for the Lions (Sure you want win, Suh).

But I'm also a little happy because the Lions are the team who would give Decker 10+ million a year.


10m a year would be excessive, but he could do some serious damage opposite Megatron.
 
2014-03-11 09:58:18 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Looks like Brandon Albert's finally heading to the Dolphins. Look at his three newest Twitter followers-

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Is there anything Twitter can't do?
 
2014-03-11 09:59:37 AM  

flak attack: skybreaker: I'm mad that Suh didn't redo his deal and is a jackass, because he could have freed up 9+ million in cap room for the Lions (Sure you want win, Suh).

But I'm also a little happy because the Lions are the team who would give Decker 10+ million a year.

10m a year would be excessive, but he could do some serious damage opposite Megatron.


That was a joke, even though they would overpay for him if they could.

Really, I'm just mad at Suh. Whatever team ends up with him next can have fun.
 
2014-03-11 10:05:06 AM  

Bunny Deville: The Jaguars have plenty of money this year, I'm anticipating good things. I'm also curious to see if there's interest in MJD out there.


A Jags fan and an eternal optimist?   Do you ride a unicorn?
 
2014-03-11 10:08:36 AM  

elguerodiablo: Bunny Deville: The Jaguars have plenty of money this year, I'm anticipating good things. I'm also curious to see if there's interest in MJD out there.

A Jags fan and an eternal optimist?   Do you ride a unicorn?


Yes, and it shiats rainbows, too.

We can't suck forever. Our time will come.
 
2014-03-11 10:10:27 AM  
I'm excited that Jared Allen could end up on the Bronco's.  I like Decker but his penchant for falling on his ass when he's got a wide open field in front of him has taken at least a few months off the end of my life.  This is a really deep draft but in a league with the Raiders, Browns, Jags, and Bucs I'm sure someone will be happy to overpay him.
 
2014-03-11 10:14:36 AM  

Bunny Deville: elguerodiablo: Bunny Deville: The Jaguars have plenty of money this year, I'm anticipating good things. I'm also curious to see if there's interest in MJD out there.

A Jags fan and an eternal optimist?   Do you ride a unicorn?

Yes, and it shiats rainbows, too.

We can't suck forever. Our time will come.


I would actually like to see that come to fruition but this mustache tells me he's far more likely to tie a damsel to a railroad track.

prod.static.jaguars.clubs.nfl.com
 
2014-03-11 10:16:47 AM  
blogs.swa-jkt.com
 
2014-03-11 10:18:20 AM  

elguerodiablo: Bunny Deville: elguerodiablo: Bunny Deville: The Jaguars have plenty of money this year, I'm anticipating good things. I'm also curious to see if there's interest in MJD out there.

A Jags fan and an eternal optimist?   Do you ride a unicorn?

Yes, and it shiats rainbows, too.

We can't suck forever. Our time will come.

I would actually like to see that come to fruition but this mustache tells me he's far more likely to tie a damsel to a railroad track.

[prod.static.jaguars.clubs.nfl.com image 180x240]


Don't disrespect the Khan. He's pumping a lot of money into Jacksonville, and not just into the Jaguars. And he has the most fabulous moustache this side of Salvador Dali. SO YOU HUSH YOUR WHORE MOUTH YOU

/waxed moustaches are cool
//so is money
///and threes
 
2014-03-11 10:32:40 AM  

Bunny Deville: elguerodiablo: Bunny Deville: The Jaguars have plenty of money this year, I'm anticipating good things. I'm also curious to see if there's interest in MJD out there.

A Jags fan and an eternal optimist?   Do you ride a unicorn?

Yes, and it shiats rainbows, too.

We can't suck forever. Our time will come.


I think Lions and Browns fans say the same thing.  Then again, the Cardinals somehow got to the Super Bowl one year, so maybe you're right.
 
2014-03-11 10:44:17 AM  

ristst: Will Jimmy Graham stay a Saint?

Yes.  It would be insane to let him get away.


He's already been franchised, so not sure why the question was even asked.
 
2014-03-11 10:47:32 AM  
Yes, Graham and Brees will stay Saints while Sproles and everyone else will be cut to pay their salaries. Oh, except Ingram. You guys get to keep him.
 
2014-03-11 10:50:03 AM  

TonyDanza: ristst: Will Jimmy Graham stay a Saint?

Yes.  It would be insane to let him get away.

He's already been franchised, so not sure why the question was even asked.


Because a team could decide Graham is worth 2 first rounders?.

It's not like the Skins or Browns can be trusted with their draft picks anyway, why not use them on a known talent?
 
2014-03-11 10:51:57 AM  

TonyDanza: ristst: Will Jimmy Graham stay a Saint?

Yes.  It would be insane to let him get away.

He's already been franchised, so not sure why the question was even asked.


It's non-exclusive so another team can overpay him and give up 2 first rounders.  Which will never ever happen but still...
 
2014-03-11 10:58:15 AM  

Klivian: TonyDanza: ristst: Will Jimmy Graham stay a Saint?

Yes.  It would be insane to let him get away.

He's already been franchised, so not sure why the question was even asked.

Because a team could decide Graham is worth 2 first rounders?.

It's not like the Skins or Browns can be trusted with their draft picks anyway, why not use them on a known talent?


Also, Graham and guys like Colston become stars because of QBs like Brees and the system they play in - same thing happens to receivers that play with Manning and Brady - they can lose Graham, pick up a guy like Dustin Keller and make him an all pro
 
2014-03-11 10:58:56 AM  
Cbs is reporting the skins signed Roberts from the Cards for 4 years $16M.  5 hours before Free Agency officially begins.
 
2014-03-11 10:59:00 AM  
I'm sure Mike Brown's been scouring the arrest reports for weeks leading up to this in order to see who he can get at a bargain bin rate to save money and make absolutely certain the Bengals do better only than the Browns in the next season.
 
2014-03-11 10:59:28 AM  

elguerodiablo: It's non-exclusive so another team can overpay him and give up 2 first rounders. Which will never ever happen but still...


Holy crap.  I know a crap ton of obscure (and not so obscure) rules and regulations about the NFL, but I can't believe I didn't know there were 2 different franchise tags.  Guess you really do learn something new everyday.  Pretty sure I already forgot whatever I learned yesterday though.
 
2014-03-11 11:00:21 AM  
Anybody want Julius peppers?

Hello?

Anyone?
 
2014-03-11 11:01:07 AM  
FA is overrated in the NFL. It's not like the NBA where one guy makes you a contender. And the only teams with money to sign a bunch of guys suck so bad they aren't going to help anyway.
 
2014-03-11 11:02:32 AM  

EyeballKid: I'm sure Mike Brown's been scouring the arrest reports for weeks leading up to this in order to see who he can get at a bargain bin rate to save money and make absolutely certain the Bengals do better only than the Browns in the next season.


Get with the times.  The Bengals are the clear favorite in that division for the foreseeable future.  They won't win any playoff games since the division isn't very good, but they'll have a lot of first round exits.
 
2014-03-11 11:03:32 AM  

Kevin Lomax: FA is overrated in the NFL. It's not like the NBA where one guy makes you a contender. And the only teams with money to sign a bunch of guys suck so bad they aren't going to help anyway.


Yeah, but we can at least laugh at Dan Snyder every year.
 
2014-03-11 11:04:59 AM  

TonyDanza: elguerodiablo: It's non-exclusive so another team can overpay him and give up 2 first rounders. Which will never ever happen but still...

Holy crap.  I know a crap ton of obscure (and not so obscure) rules and regulations about the NFL, but I can't believe I didn't know there were 2 different franchise tags.  Guess you really do learn something new everyday.  Pretty sure I already forgot whatever I learned yesterday though.


There is only one franchise tag, it's just that under normal circumstances, teams are unwilling to give up the 2 first round picks, meaning a player is safe.

Every now and again someone will figure it's worth it.

There is however, a similar tag, the transition tag. Salary is average of the top 10 highest salaries at the position rather than top 5, and if another team signs, they only lose 1 1st rounder.
 
2014-03-11 11:07:24 AM  
The Saints will keep JG because nobody is going to give up two 1st round picks for a TE that disapears in big games. He is soft and can't control a game like Megatron. Any team that offered him a contract knows that they would lose two 1st rounders and tie up more than $50M into a TE that has to have a great QB and at least one other WR to take the pressure off of him. He'll likely stay with NOLA on his franchise tag that he probably won't sign until halfway through the preseason. He wants $11-$12M per season and NOLA ain't giving him that. Look for him to have the same problem next year. If the Saints sign JG to a long term deal then they will have about 25% of their future cap tied up in two players, Brees and JG. I shouldn't have to tell anyone how stupid that is.

Revis will get cut and will either sign a 1 year offer with incentives to play for a title or he will chase the money, which will probably come from Oakland.

Decker will get paid around $8-$10M per year and that is stupid money to give to a WR who is not much better than Riley Cooper. Look for Jacksonville to sign him.
 
2014-03-11 11:14:31 AM  

Klivian: TonyDanza: elguerodiablo: It's non-exclusive so another team can overpay him and give up 2 first rounders. Which will never ever happen but still...

Holy crap.  I know a crap ton of obscure (and not so obscure) rules and regulations about the NFL, but I can't believe I didn't know there were 2 different franchise tags.  Guess you really do learn something new everyday.  Pretty sure I already forgot whatever I learned yesterday though.

There is only one franchise tag, it's just that under normal circumstances, teams are unwilling to give up the 2 first round picks, meaning a player is safe.

Every now and again someone will figure it's worth it.

There is however, a similar tag, the transition tag. Salary is average of the top 10 highest salaries at the position rather than top 5, and if another team signs, they only lose 1 1st rounder.


Incorrect. There are three tags total. The exclusive rights franchise tag means that the player has to either sign the tender offered or negotiate a long term deal with his parent team as no other team can offer him a contract. The non exlusive rights tag means that any team can negotiate with the player and if he signs with another team that team has to give the parent team two 1st round picks. The third tag is the transition tag where any team can negotiate with a player and if signed away from the parent team only one 1st rounder has to be given. The franchise tags cost more money than the transition tags as the salary is the average of the 5 highest paid players at that position where as the transition tag averages the 10 highest paid players at that position. That is why Cleveland put the transition tag on their center Alex Mack. Not many people are going to try and poach a center and the lower cost keeps their salary cap number down.
 
2014-03-11 11:33:50 AM  

skybreaker: ristst: Will Jimmy Graham stay a Saint?

Yes.  It would be insane to let him get away.

You have to be kind of insane to try and sign him too. Even if you can get the Saints to agree to defer the picks you're giving up to 2015 and 2016, it's still a lot to give up.

I'm sure the Raiders will try to sign him, because they somehow have 80 million in cap room and are insane.


static4.businessinsider.com

Truth.  This guy is worth over a billion dollars and no one tells him he looks like complete farktard with that haircut.
 
2014-03-11 11:33:52 AM  

Bunny Deville: The Jaguars have plenty of money this year, I'm anticipating good things. I'm also curious to see if there's interest in MJD out there.


They're off to a great start with Red Bryant. Solid player, high character, reasonable price.
 
2014-03-11 11:36:52 AM  

balfourk: Klivian: TonyDanza: elguerodiablo: It's non-exclusive so another team can overpay him and give up 2 first rounders. Which will never ever happen but still...

Holy crap.  I know a crap ton of obscure (and not so obscure) rules and regulations about the NFL, but I can't believe I didn't know there were 2 different franchise tags.  Guess you really do learn something new everyday.  Pretty sure I already forgot whatever I learned yesterday though.

There is only one franchise tag, it's just that under normal circumstances, teams are unwilling to give up the 2 first round picks, meaning a player is safe.

Every now and again someone will figure it's worth it.

There is however, a similar tag, the transition tag. Salary is average of the top 10 highest salaries at the position rather than top 5, and if another team signs, they only lose 1 1st rounder.

Incorrect. There are three tags total. The exclusive rights franchise tag means that the player has to either sign the tender offered or negotiate a long term deal with his parent team as no other team can offer him a contract. The non exlusive rights tag means that any team can negotiate with the player and if he signs with another team that team has to give the parent team two 1st round picks. The third tag is the transition tag where any team can negotiate with a player and if signed away from the parent team only one 1st rounder has to be given. The franchise tags cost more money than the transition tags as the salary is the average of the 5 highest paid players at that position where as the transition tag averages the 10 highest paid players at that position. That is why Cleveland put the transition tag on their center Alex Mack. Not many people are going to try and poach a center and the lower cost keeps their salary cap number down.


Well I'll be, thought I knew the NFL rules pretty well
 
2014-03-11 11:45:05 AM  

Klivian: There is only one franchise tag, it's just that under normal circumstances, teams are unwilling to give up the 2 first round picks, meaning a player is safe.

Every now and again someone will figure it's worth it.

There is however, a similar tag, the transition tag. Salary is average of the top 10 highest salaries at the position rather than top 5, and if another team signs, they only lose 1 1st rounder.


I actually looked it up, balfourk has it correct.  Funny thing was, right after I posted I turned on NFL network and they mentioned the last time it happened, which was Joey Galloway.  Which after they mentioned it, I actually remembered, because it came up a few years later when the Bucs traded for him for Keyshawn.
 
2014-03-11 11:45:52 AM  

elguerodiablo: skybreaker: ristst: Will Jimmy Graham stay a Saint?

Yes.  It would be insane to let him get away.

You have to be kind of insane to try and sign him too. Even if you can get the Saints to agree to defer the picks you're giving up to 2015 and 2016, it's still a lot to give up.

I'm sure the Raiders will try to sign him, because they somehow have 80 million in cap room and are insane.



Truth.  This guy is worth over a billion dollars and no one tells him he looks like complete farktard with that haircut.


And Suh is a total Raider type player.
 
2014-03-11 11:45:57 AM  
Giants have about $20 million in cap space, would rather see them spend it on OL FA so that Eli does not end up in the scrap heap sooner than expected.
 
2014-03-11 11:46:48 AM  

skybreaker: elguerodiablo: skybreaker: ristst: Will Jimmy Graham stay a Saint?

Yes.  It would be insane to let him get away.

You have to be kind of insane to try and sign him too. Even if you can get the Saints to agree to defer the picks you're giving up to 2015 and 2016, it's still a lot to give up.

I'm sure the Raiders will try to sign him, because they somehow have 80 million in cap room and are insane.

Truth.  This guy is worth over a billion dollars and no one tells him he looks like complete farktard with that haircut.

And Suh is a total Raider type player.


I wonder, would the Raiders entertain trading their 1st round pick for Suh?
 
2014-03-11 11:52:12 AM  

balfourk: Decker will get paid around $8-$10M per year and that is stupid money to give to a WR who is not much better than Riley Cooper. Look for Jacksonville to sign him.


Yes, please!

Super Chronic: They're off to a great start with Red Bryant. Solid player, high character, reasonable price.


I know! Things are looking up. Now that we have a decent coach and a GM who won't do something stupid like draft a punter instead of Russell Wilson (no, guys, I will NEVER get over it) maybe we can win some games this year.
 
2014-03-11 11:55:35 AM  

Klivian: Cmon Eagles, bring in Byrd or Ward, we need some talent back there, we're fine with Fletcher and Williams on the outside, as long as you give them some help


I like the moves that the Eagles have made so far to keep their own guys on offense, but they REALLY need some help on defense. I just hope they don't make a mess like they did with Asomugha and Rodgers-Cromartie.
 
2014-03-11 11:57:50 AM  

Rwa2play: Giants have about $20 million in cap space, would rather see them spend it on OL FA so that Eli does not end up in the scrap heap sooner than expected.


For some reason, I'm now picturing a fistfight between Ozzie Newsome and Jerry Reese over talented O-linemen.

// money's on Ozzie
// pretty sure the Ravens would take pre-Subway Jared as a center, if he could snap
 
2014-03-11 11:57:51 AM  

Cybernetic: Klivian: Cmon Eagles, bring in Byrd or Ward, we need some talent back there, we're fine with Fletcher and Williams on the outside, as long as you give them some help

I like the moves that the Eagles have made so far to keep their own guys on offense, but they REALLY need some help on defense. I just hope they don't make a mess like they did with Asomugha and Rodgers-Cromartie.


Ahhh...I smile when I remember those days and Eagles fans were all 'WE'RE GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL!"

Good times.
 
2014-03-11 11:59:15 AM  
NOLA fan here. My dream situation.

1 trade JG to either St. Louis, Oakland or Minnesota as all three of these teams have mentioned trading their 1st round picks already.
2 if a high enough pick is aquired draft Clowney or Mack, due to their production value vs their projected cost being locked in with the collective bargaining agreement
3 draft a good QB prospect either this year or next year so that he can work under Brees for a couple of years
4 sign Suh next year
5 transition to a defensive minded team built around Vacarro, Cameron Jordan, Suh and this year's 1st round pick
6 destroy Atlanta for rest of that QB's contract, which is going to destroy their cap space and limit their ability to build a solid team
 
2014-03-11 12:00:03 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Rwa2play: Giants have about $20 million in cap space, would rather see them spend it on OL FA so that Eli does not end up in the scrap heap sooner than expected.

For some reason, I'm now picturing a fistfight between Ozzie Newsome and Jerry Reese over talented O-linemen.

// money's on Ozzie


Puh-leaze, that's a sucker bet~!
 
2014-03-11 12:00:15 PM  

balfourk: The Saints will keep JG because nobody is going to give up two 1st round picks for a TE that disapears in big games. He is soft and can't control a game like Megatron. Any team that offered him a contract knows that they would lose two 1st rounders and tie up more than $50M into a TE that has to have a great QB and at least one other WR to take the pressure off of him. He'll likely stay with NOLA on his franchise tag that he probably won't sign until halfway through the preseason. He wants $11-$12M per season and NOLA ain't giving him that. Look for him to have the same problem next year. If the Saints sign JG to a long term deal then they will have about 25% of their future cap tied up in two players, Brees and JG. I shouldn't have to tell anyone how stupid that is.

Revis will get cut and will either sign a 1 year offer with incentives to play for a title or he will chase the money, which will probably come from Oakland.

Decker will get paid around $8-$10M per year and that is stupid money to give to a WR who is not much better than Riley Cooper. Look for Jacksonville to sign him.


I love Golden Tate, so I'm kinda glad he'll probably be returning to Seattle.  He's a part of a large WR market that is being had for relatively cheap, and there's a cluster of college receivers on the draft board.  Not a good year for WRs personally, but a good year for the teams.

\Seattle should extend Baldwin, too
 
2014-03-11 12:01:51 PM  

balfourk: NOLA fan here. My dream situation.

1 trade JG to either St. Louis, Oakland or Minnesota as all three of these teams have mentioned trading their 1st round picks already.
2 if a high enough pick is aquired draft Clowney or Mack, due to their production value vs their projected cost being locked in with the collective bargaining agreement
3 draft a good QB prospect either this year or next year so that he can work under Brees for a couple of years
4 sign Suh next year
5 transition to a defensive minded team built around Vacarro, Cameron Jordan, Suh and this year's 1st round pick
6 destroy Atlanta for rest of that QB's contract, which is going to destroy their cap space and limit their ability to build a solid team


Ah, there's Eagles v. Giants/Redskins/Cowboys.  Then there's ATL/NO. XD
 
2014-03-11 12:05:24 PM  
will the Dolphins be off-season winners yet again?

whizbangthedirtfarmer: balfourk: The Saints will keep JG because nobody is going to give up two 1st round picks for a TE that disapears in big games. He is soft and can't control a game like Megatron. Any team that offered him a contract knows that they would lose two 1st rounders and tie up more than $50M into a TE that has to have a great QB and at least one other WR to take the pressure off of him. He'll likely stay with NOLA on his franchise tag that he probably won't sign until halfway through the preseason. He wants $11-$12M per season and NOLA ain't giving him that. Look for him to have the same problem next year. If the Saints sign JG to a long term deal then they will have about 25% of their future cap tied up in two players, Brees and JG. I shouldn't have to tell anyone how stupid that is.

Revis will get cut and will either sign a 1 year offer with incentives to play for a title or he will chase the money, which will probably come from Oakland.

Decker will get paid around $8-$10M per year and that is stupid money to give to a WR who is not much better than Riley Cooper. Look for Jacksonville to sign him.

I love Golden Tate, so I'm kinda glad he'll probably be returning to Seattle.  He's a part of a large WR market that is being had for relatively cheap, and there's a cluster of college receivers on the draft board.  Not a good year for WRs personally, but a good year for the teams.

\Seattle should extend Baldwin, too


Seattle should draft Jordan Matthews
 
2014-03-11 12:05:28 PM  

Cybernetic: Klivian: Cmon Eagles, bring in Byrd or Ward, we need some talent back there, we're fine with Fletcher and Williams on the outside, as long as you give them some help

I like the moves that the Eagles have made so far to keep their own guys on offense, but they REALLY need some help on defense. I just hope they don't make a mess like they did with Asomugha and Rodgers-Cromartie.


DRC didn't deserve the rap he got. The whole D was a train wreck, and he actually did his job fairly well.

The Eagles being linked to Revis has me worried, I'd rather Byrd and a rookie who gets to play behind the guys we have now. There is a 0.1% chance we get Revis AND Byrd.
 
2014-03-11 12:08:47 PM  

Rwa2play: skybreaker: elguerodiablo: skybreaker: ristst: Will Jimmy Graham stay a Saint?

Yes.  It would be insane to let him get away.

You have to be kind of insane to try and sign him too. Even if you can get the Saints to agree to defer the picks you're giving up to 2015 and 2016, it's still a lot to give up.

I'm sure the Raiders will try to sign him, because they somehow have 80 million in cap room and are insane.

Truth.  This guy is worth over a billion dollars and no one tells him he looks like complete farktard with that haircut.

And Suh is a total Raider type player.

I wonder, would the Raiders entertain trading their 1st round pick for Suh?


Don't even put that idea out there anymore than you already have. Raiders management may see your post and seriously consider it.
 
2014-03-11 12:14:40 PM  

WhiskeySticks: Rwa2play: skybreaker: And Suh is a total Raider type player.

I wonder, would the Raiders entertain trading their 1st round pick for Suh?

Don't even put that idea out there anymore than you already have. Raiders management may see your post and seriously consider it.


We'll take it!
 
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