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(Huffington Post)   It's disinvitation season, when students and faculty get together to disinvite commencement speakers to protest something the speaker did, said, or believes. First at bat: Condoleezza Rice   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2014-03-11 09:18:00 AM  
Again? She's a popular speaker.
 
2014-03-11 09:20:15 AM  
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2014-03-11 09:20:24 AM  
Once again the generation of gimme gimme gimme gets to sit on their hands while the generation that gave them life toils with the idea that maybe a condom wouldn't have ruined the pleasure all that much.

I remember when I was in that generation.  Oh, how much I've learned since then.

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2014-03-11 09:21:46 AM  
Even when universities don't capitulate to these demands, students have been known to organize to effectively silence a speaker via the "heckler's veto"--most notoriously at Brown University, where students prevented former NYC Police Commissioner Ray Kelly from speaking last fall.

Let's not clutter their empty little heads with the concept of free speech or differing ideologies.
 
2014-03-11 09:22:12 AM  
Good. Why they would ever want a Mexican dish to give a speech is beyond me.
 
2014-03-11 09:23:35 AM  
Yeah....but they are never racist.....
 
2014-03-11 09:24:26 AM  
Their loss.
 
2014-03-11 09:24:27 AM  
Condoleeza Rice is nice, but I prefer A-Roni.
 
2014-03-11 09:25:07 AM  
Invite the last surviving Nazi to give a commencement speech about overcoming adversity when the world is against you and see how far "exposing people to differing viewpoints" flies. We all agree that some people shouldn't be invited to give speeches at school; we just disagree where the line should be.

/yes, I Godwin'd to make a point
 
2014-03-11 09:25:15 AM  
This is of course in now way racist.  You cannot be racist against republicans.  It is right there in the rules.
 
2014-03-11 09:25:47 AM  
The inventor of the Internet spoke at my graduation. Anyone who even looked like they were going to protest was forcibly removed by the Secret Service.

How is that free speech working for you now, Comradecitizen?
 
2014-03-11 09:25:57 AM  
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Is she's refusing to wear the black boots and approach the podium while the Stars Wars theme plays?
Tell me I'm a bad libtard, Condi.  Show me what you and you husband do to trash like me.  Ohhh yeaaaah...
 
2014-03-11 09:26:54 AM  
Whose idea was it to have Condoleezza "mushroom clouds over American cities" Rice invited in the first place? You want to have a speaker who literally lied the country into a war?
 
2014-03-11 09:31:37 AM  

Tricky Chicken: This is of course in now way racist.  You cannot be racist against republicans.  It is right there in the rules.


The fark are you yammering on about?

Nothing to do with race. It's the same reason they wouldn't want Cheney giving the commencement speech either.
 
2014-03-11 09:31:48 AM  
Tolerance, this is how it works
 
2014-03-11 09:31:59 AM  
If they protest her it means they're racist.
 
2014-03-11 09:33:23 AM  
Everybody love Al Sharpton!! Even though he lies a lot.
 
2014-03-11 09:35:38 AM  
Would you want Jerry Sandusky to speak at your commencement? There's a chance he'll eventually get out of prison and he'll need something to do. Why not George Zimmerman? I'm sure he's not too busy at the moment to speak at a college graduation. After all, you could argue that those two have done far less damage and inflicted far less pain than Rice. So if it's OK to hear Rice's viewpoint, why not Zimmerman's or Sandusky's? After all, it's all about exposing people to alternative viewpoints.
 
2014-03-11 09:37:06 AM  
Why invite her in the first place if you were going to cave in to the butthurt?
 
2014-03-11 09:40:12 AM  
Sure expose students to all kinds of views: First up, Blacks for Republicans. Next up, Jews for Hitler!

Freedom of speech really should not apply to hate speech like fox news.
 
2014-03-11 09:41:15 AM  
If only there were some sort of process by which a speaker's qualifications, appropriateness for the occasion, and likely reception could be reviewed before issuing such an invitation.
 
2014-03-11 09:42:03 AM  

soporific: Would you want Jerry Sandusky to speak at your commencement? There's a chance he'll eventually get out of prison and he'll need something to do. Why not George Zimmerman? I'm sure he's not too busy at the moment to speak at a college graduation. After all, you could argue that those two have done far less damage and inflicted far less pain than Rice. So if it's OK to hear Rice's viewpoint, why not Zimmerman's or Sandusky's? After all, it's all about exposing people to alternative viewpoints.


Don't they get enough of that from their tenured professors who have never had job in the real world?
 
2014-03-11 09:42:36 AM  
Does anyone really remember who gave the commencement speech at their school much less what that person spoke about? Serious question, cause I have no freaking clue who spoke or what they said.
 
2014-03-11 09:45:26 AM  

balfourk: Does anyone really remember who gave the commencement speech at their school much less what that person spoke about? Serious question, cause I have no freaking clue who spoke or what they said.


We had some physicist who basically gave a lecture instead of a speech.
 
2014-03-11 09:48:05 AM  

soporific: Would you want Jerry Sandusky to speak at your commencement? There's a chance he'll eventually get out of prison and he'll need something to do. Why not George Zimmerman? I'm sure he's not too busy at the moment to speak at a college graduation. After all, you could argue that those two have done far less damage and inflicted far less pain than Rice. So if it's OK to hear Rice's viewpoint, why not Zimmerman's or Sandusky's? After all, it's all about exposing people to alternative viewpoints.


Sandusky, once he paid the price for his crime, sure, he was a successful football coach and most likely has some wisdom to share with college graduates about the world. Zimmerman not so much, because that would be like asking your neighbor Ralph to speak for no good reason. Ms. Rice has many accomplishments and has overcome incredible adversity to reach the position of the first black female secretary of state in the history of this country. If you don't think she's got some wisdom to share with young adults, you're an idiot.
 
2014-03-11 09:48:17 AM  
Clueless, butthurt college liberals...make sure to pay off your student loans, biatches!
 
2014-03-11 09:50:50 AM  

hitlersbrain: Sure expose students to all kinds of views: First up, Blacks for Republicans. Next up, Jews for Hitler!

Freedom of speech really should not apply to hate speech like fox news.


...or whiney Fark libs.
 
2014-03-11 09:51:24 AM  

soporific: Would you want Jerry Sandusky to speak at your commencement? There's a chance he'll eventually get out of prison and he'll need something to do. Why not George Zimmerman? I'm sure he's not too busy at the moment to speak at a college graduation. After all, you could argue that those two have done far less damage and inflicted far less pain than Rice. So if it's OK to hear Rice's viewpoint, why not Zimmerman's or Sandusky's? After all, it's all about exposing people to alternative viewpoints.


Yes.  Because a former United States Secretary of State is on par with a neighborhood watch guy and an assistant coach.  Sheesh.   Oh and congrats on adhereing to Rule 10 of the liberal handbook.

10) You must be absolutely close minded: One of the key reasons liberals spend so much time vilifying people they don't like and questioning their motivations is to protect themselves from having to consider their arguments. This helps create a completely closed system for liberals. Conservative arguments are considered wrong by default since they're conservative and not worth hearing. On the other hand, liberals aren't going to make conservative arguments. So, a liberal goes to a liberal school, watches liberal news, listens to liberal politicians, has liberal friends, and then convinces himself that conservatives are all hateful, evil, racist Nazis so that any stray conservatism he hears should be ignored. It makes liberal minds into perfectly closed loops that are impervious to anything other than liberal doctrine.
 
2014-03-11 09:54:39 AM  

soporific: Would you want Jerry Sandusky to speak at your commencement? There's a chance he'll eventually get out of prison and he'll need something to do. Why not George Zimmerman? I'm sure he's not too busy at the moment to speak at a college graduation. After all, you could argue that those two have done far less damage and inflicted far less pain than Rice. So if it's OK to hear Rice's viewpoint, why not Zimmerman's or Sandusky's? After all, it's all about exposing people to alternative viewpoints.


Because that's obviously a fair comparison
 
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2014-03-11 10:02:22 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: soporific: Would you want Jerry Sandusky to speak at your commencement? There's a chance he'll eventually get out of prison and he'll need something to do. Why not George Zimmerman? I'm sure he's not too busy at the moment to speak at a college graduation. After all, you could argue that those two have done far less damage and inflicted far less pain than Rice. So if it's OK to hear Rice's viewpoint, why not Zimmerman's or Sandusky's? After all, it's all about exposing people to alternative viewpoints.

Yes.  Because a former United States Secretary of State is on par with a neighborhood watch guy and an assistant coach.  Sheesh.   Oh and congrats on adhereing to Rule 10 of the liberal handbook.

10) You must be absolutely close minded: One of the key reasons liberals spend so much time vilifying people they don't like and questioning their motivations is to protect themselves from having to consider their arguments. This helps create a completely closed system for liberals. Conservative arguments are considered wrong by default since they're conservative and not worth hearing. On the other hand, liberals aren't going to make conservative arguments. So, a liberal goes to a liberal school, watches liberal news, listens to liberal politicians, has liberal friends, and then convinces himself that conservatives are all hateful, evil, racist Nazis so that any stray conservatism he hears should be ignored. It makes liberal minds into perfectly closed loops that are impervious to anything other than liberal doctrine.


I believe this is more in line with rule number 3:

3) What liberals like should be mandatory and what they don't like should be banned: There's an almost instinctual form of fascism that runs through most liberals. It's not enough for liberals to love gay marriage; everyone must be forced to love gay marriage. It's not enough for liberals to be afraid of guns; guns have to be banned. It's not enough for liberals to want to use energy-saving light bulbs; incandescent light bulbs must be banned. It's not enough for liberals to make sure most speakers on campuses are left-wing; conservative speakers must be shouted down or blocked from speaking.

™ but I could be wrong since I'm conservative
 
2014-03-11 10:19:51 AM  

Rat: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: soporific: Would you want Jerry Sandusky to speak at your commencement? There's a chance he'll eventually get out of prison and he'll need something to do. Why not George Zimmerman? I'm sure he's not too busy at the moment to speak at a college graduation. After all, you could argue that those two have done far less damage and inflicted far less pain than Rice. So if it's OK to hear Rice's viewpoint, why not Zimmerman's or Sandusky's? After all, it's all about exposing people to alternative viewpoints.

Yes.  Because a former United States Secretary of State is on par with a neighborhood watch guy and an assistant coach.  Sheesh.   Oh and congrats on adhereing to Rule 10 of the liberal handbook.

10) You must be absolutely close minded: One of the key reasons liberals spend so much time vilifying people they don't like and questioning their motivations is to protect themselves from having to consider their arguments. This helps create a completely closed system for liberals. Conservative arguments are considered wrong by default since they're conservative and not worth hearing. On the other hand, liberals aren't going to make conservative arguments. So, a liberal goes to a liberal school, watches liberal news, listens to liberal politicians, has liberal friends, and then convinces himself that conservatives are all hateful, evil, racist Nazis so that any stray conservatism he hears should be ignored. It makes liberal minds into perfectly closed loops that are impervious to anything other than liberal doctrine.

I believe this is more in line with rule number 3:

3) What liberals like should be mandatory and what they don't like should be banned: There's an almost instinctual form of fascism that runs through most liberals. It's not enough for liberals to love gay marriage; everyone must be forced to love gay marriage. It's not enough for liberals to be afraid of guns; guns have to be banned. It's not enough for liberals to want to use energ ...


Maybe analyze what conservatives 'love' a bit. Kids? No, too many taxes to teach them and the unwanted ones are a bother plus they keep questioning stuff. Knowledge? No, all those scientists lie no matter what the facts say. Justice? How rich you are is how right you are.
 
2014-03-11 10:22:44 AM  
When your child graduates from college, pray to the FSM, that you don't have a sitting President give the commencement speech.  When my step-daughter graduated from the University of Chicago, Clinton did the honors. Because to security, it was a pain in the ass start to finish, and this was before 9/11.  The speech itself was a piece of rambling crap, with high notes like, he was going to see that the Defense Department didn't purchase stuff from companies that used child labor.  "OK, kids, you can't assemble anymore F-16's!  Back to making sneakers." Hilarity ensued, when none of the Indian graduates, of which there were many, wouldn't shake hands with Clinton, because administration was improving ties with Pakistan.  I was very proud of my step-daughter's accomplishment, but, having the Prez there caused a laundry list of misery, that I'm not going to bore you with (yeah, some of it was self inflicted).
 
2014-03-11 10:26:34 AM  

zimbomba63: When your child graduates from college, pray to the FSM, that you don't have a sitting President give the commencement speech.  When my step-daughter graduated from the University of Chicago, Clinton did the honors. Because to security, it was a pain in the ass start to finish, and this was before 9/11.  The speech itself was a piece of rambling crap, with high notes like, he was going to see that the Defense Department didn't purchase stuff from companies that used child labor.  "OK, kids, you can't assemble anymore F-16's!  Back to making sneakers." Hilarity ensued, when none of the Indian graduates, of which there were many, wouldn't shake hands with Clinton, because administration was improving ties with Pakistan.  I was very proud of my step-daughter's accomplishment, but, having the Prez there caused a laundry list of misery, that I'm not going to bore you with (yeah, some of it was self inflicted).


Not enough coffee, so I'm writing gibberish - Substitute would for wouldn't
 
2014-03-11 11:05:30 AM  

Cymbal: Tricky Chicken: This is of course in now way racist.  You cannot be racist against republicans.  It is right there in the rules.

The fark are you yammering on about?

Nothing to do with race. It's the same reason they wouldn't want Cheney giving the commencement speech either.


Because they're both Republicans?
 
2014-03-11 11:47:19 AM  
This excerpt from the article describes Fark debate in a nutshell.  Even when someone tries to engage in a calm and reasonable debate they get savaged by the Hecklers Veto:

The social science on what happens when you have like-minded people talking only amongst themselves is quite striking: People broken up into groups of the like-minded tend to become much more extreme in their opinion, while showing an increasingly poor ability to understand the point of view of anyone who disagrees with them. Over time, the phenomena could potentially lead the country into seeing those it disagrees with as caricatures of societal evil, rather than as people who come at the same problems from different perspectives.
 
2014-03-11 11:55:19 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: 10) You must be absolutely close minded: One of the key reasons liberals spend so much time vilifying people they don't like and questioning their motivations is to protect themselves from having to consider their arguments. This helps create a completely closed system for liberals. Conservative arguments are considered wrong by default since they're conservative and not worth hearing. On the other hand, liberals aren't going to make conservative arguments. So, a liberal goes to a liberal school, watches liberal news, listens to liberal politicians, has liberal friends, and then convinces himself that conservatives are all hateful, evil, racist Nazis so that any stray conservatism he hears should be ignored. It makes liberal minds into perfectly closed loops that are impervious to anything other than liberal doctrine.


You could exchange "liberal" and "conservative" in that rant and it would not become less true.

In this case, I can sympathize with the wish not to give $35k and an honorary doctorate to somebody who's partly responsible for thousands of killings. The author doesn't focus on that, doesn't even mention it, because it must be an unwillingess to get exposed to different viewpoints. Perhaps to fit in better with his narrative?

I deal with all these issues extensively in my book which officially comes out on paperback tomorrow.

Ah.
 
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