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(Reuters)   While families selfishly grieve the loss of their loved ones on Malaysia flight MH370, one reporter questions the true tragedy of how one company lost twenty employees on that same flight, and wonders why they didn't have a policy to prevent it   (in.reuters.com) divider line 51
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2014-03-11 12:05:46 AM
Not even one quote from the company saying how heartbroken they are to lose members of their corporate family, or, something. Damn, that's cold.

/too soon, mister reporter, too soon.
 
2014-03-11 09:27:57 AM
The vanished employees were engineers or specialists involved in projects to streamline and cut costs at key manufacturing facilities in China and Malaysia.

Good people. Shame.
 
2014-03-11 09:28:43 AM
The employees couldn't have been too important if they were flying commercial.
 
2014-03-11 09:29:08 AM
I'm going to go with "the improbability of this type of thing happening on a given flight" as my answer.
 
2014-03-11 09:29:26 AM
So does one have to get a lobotomy to be a reporter?
 
2014-03-11 09:29:46 AM
That's a lot to read into the article, subby.
 
2014-03-11 09:31:03 AM

theotherles: So does one have to get a lobotomy to be a reporter?


No, just the creativity to milk a story with no real information to talk about.
 
2014-03-11 09:32:51 AM
It's a valid business continuity question. "We don't think there's a high probability of an issue" is also a valid answer.
 
2014-03-11 09:33:50 AM
That poor corporation.  Sad.
 
2014-03-11 09:35:08 AM
Which is why brazillionaire Donald Trump protects himself while flying and at all other times by keeping his head far up his ass.

eggs/basket.
 
2014-03-11 09:36:02 AM
I had that idea a few weeks ago as 8 engineers including myself were flying on the same plane to a customer.  I suppose we're not important enough to worry about, which I can see.  Most engineers have yet to figure out how replaceable they are yet.
 
2014-03-11 09:36:19 AM
So there are some job openings in Texas now?
 
2014-03-11 09:36:57 AM
Unnecessarily inflammatory Fark headline is unnecessarily inflammatory. Par for the course, I suppose.

Headline from TFA:

Freescale loss in Malaysia tragedy leads to travel policy questions


Newsflash for schlubmitter: sometimes news articles focus on one very specific aspect of an event.
 
2014-03-11 09:37:02 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

"Hey, guys! What's going on in this thread?"
 
2014-03-11 09:37:31 AM

wxboy: I'm going to go with "the improbability of this type of thing happening on a given flight" as my answer.


Losing a large number of dudes isn't critical.  Losing a large number of dudes that know how the company is run is another.  Basically if three people know the combination to safe of corporate secrets, they don't ride on the same plane, or in the same car.

Thats usually not a problem, because one of them come right out and say he does not like to ride in Audi r8's that are red or black, so he will take his white r8 instead.
 
2014-03-11 09:38:24 AM

Gonz: It's a valid business continuity question. "We don't think there's a high probability of an issue" is also a valid answer.


We laughed about it when we saw it in our policies last fall, but it's there -- no more than 6 company employees shall use the same mode of conveyance, nor more than 50% of any team or division.
 
2014-03-11 09:38:28 AM
Someone's been playing too much Shadowrun.
 
2014-03-11 09:39:41 AM
Standard risk assessment stuff, not really about the emotional side of it. Even low level military folks get an earful on how this works.
 
2014-03-11 09:40:50 AM
I wonder how big of brick he'll shiat when he learn that entire sports teams often fly all in just one or maybe two planes.
 
2014-03-11 09:40:55 AM
I've always wondered how people will react when this eventually happens to an entire NFL team...
 
2014-03-11 09:41:24 AM
You know how I know you don't know a thing about business continuance plans, Subby? Losing 20 employees in a plane crash can easily mean the end of your business. Corporate officers and high level managers never travel together. Neither do key personnel. This is just common sense.
 
2014-03-11 09:43:32 AM
Why exactly is this asinine? You mean there can't be multiple story lines to come out of a tragedy (the creators of Lost are devistated to hear this news)

Anyway, it is a valid point about the potential danger to business when a high volume of staff are lost in one tragic event. Sorry, Subby, I know this issue must have affected you deeply to care so much.
 
2014-03-11 09:46:23 AM
FTMFA: "While they accounted for less than 1 percent of Freescale's 16,800 employees..."

Yeah, a hell of a lot less than 1% as in 1/8th of 1%.

Idiot reporter type person.
 
2014-03-11 09:48:13 AM
Large companies send employees on plant visits all the time.   These guys were probably run-of-the-mill QA guys and yield enhancement engineers.  Sad, but no lasting impact to a company of Freescale's size.
 
2014-03-11 09:48:45 AM
Dirty little secret that most workers are unaware of: Most employers will PROFIT from the death of an employee.  Most employers take out life insurance polices...payable to the employer.....for "key employees".  A key employee is defined as pretty much any worker that's making more than minimum wage.   Worker gets killed on the way to the job?  Profit!
 
2014-03-11 09:49:35 AM
This is why 20 people should not be flying commercial. A quick Kayak search for 20 tickets...

$400 for Malaysia Airlines....lets use Singapore ;) which comes up at 450...so $9,000.
 
2014-03-11 09:52:14 AM
Fissile: Dirty little secret that most workers are unaware of: Most employers will PROFIT from the death of an employee.  Most employers take out life insurance polices...payable to the employer.....for "key employees".  A key employee is defined as pretty much any worker that's making more than minimum wage.   Worker gets killed on the way to the job?  Profit!

This is what some people actually believe.  Wow.
 
2014-03-11 09:57:38 AM

FLMountainMan: Fissile: Dirty little secret that most workers are unaware of: Most employers will PROFIT from the death of an employee.  Most employers take out life insurance polices...payable to the employer.....for "key employees".  A key employee is defined as pretty much any worker that's making more than minimum wage.   Worker gets killed on the way to the job?  Profit!

This is what some people actually believe.  Wow.


I'd watch my step if I was you.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-company-may-want-dead-133000171.ht ml
 
2014-03-11 09:57:48 AM

FLMountainMan: Fissile: Dirty little secret that most workers are unaware of: Most employers will PROFIT from the death of an employee.  Most employers take out life insurance polices...payable to the employer.....for "key employees".  A key employee is defined as pretty much any worker that's making more than minimum wage.   Worker gets killed on the way to the job?  Profit!

This is what some people actually believe.  Wow.


He is technically correct that they "profit" from the death of the employee since they do make money...however the "real" cost is the fact that you just lost some of your people who...aww hell you understand...
 
2014-03-11 10:01:52 AM
We have a corporate policy to prevent this.
 
2014-03-11 10:05:04 AM

Fissile: FLMountainMan: Fissile: Dirty little secret that most workers are unaware of: Most employers will PROFIT from the death of an employee.  Most employers take out life insurance polices...payable to the employer.....for "key employees".  A key employee is defined as pretty much any worker that's making more than minimum wage.   Worker gets killed on the way to the job?  Profit!

This is what some people actually believe.  Wow.

I'd watch my step if I was you.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-company-may-want-dead-133000171.ht ml


I know I'm a fool to argue with man who reads Yahoo News, but nowhere in there does it say that a majority of employers, let alone "most" as you say, take life insurance policies out on their employees.
 
2014-03-11 10:17:45 AM

FLMountainMan: Fissile: FLMountainMan: Fissile: Dirty little secret that most workers are unaware of: Most employers will PROFIT from the death of an employee.  Most employers take out life insurance polices...payable to the employer.....for "key employees".  A key employee is defined as pretty much any worker that's making more than minimum wage.   Worker gets killed on the way to the job?  Profit!

This is what some people actually believe.  Wow.

I'd watch my step if I was you.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-company-may-want-dead-133000171.ht ml

I know I'm a fool to argue with man who reads Yahoo News, but nowhere in there does it say that a majority of employers, let alone "most" as you say, take life insurance policies out on their employees.


Please do your duty and die before you get to retirement age.  Murica, where the rich profit...always...under all conditions.  USA! USA! USA! YEAH, CAPITALISM!
 
2014-03-11 10:26:32 AM

stonicus: I've always wondered how people will react when this eventually happens to an entire NFL team...



I am almost certain the major sports leagues do have a plan in place for such an event.

Quick check of the googles, and... Yup. "Disaster Draft." [shudder]

Link:  http://espn.go.com/gen/s/2001/0328/1163463.html
 
2014-03-11 10:38:53 AM

Rapmaster2000: I had that idea a few weeks ago as 8 engineers including myself were flying on the same plane to a customer.  I suppose we're not important enough to worry about, which I can see.  Most engineers have yet to figure out how replaceable they are yet.


Many engineers are like the butler who thinks the big house exists for his benefit. This is hardly exclusive to their profession, admittedly.
 
2014-03-11 10:47:48 AM

Fissile: FLMountainMan: Fissile: FLMountainMan: Fissile: Dirty little secret that most workers are unaware of: Most employers will PROFIT from the death of an employee.  Most employers take out life insurance polices...payable to the employer.....for "key employees".  A key employee is defined as pretty much any worker that's making more than minimum wage.   Worker gets killed on the way to the job?  Profit!

This is what some people actually believe.  Wow.

I'd watch my step if I was you.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-company-may-want-dead-133000171.ht ml

I know I'm a fool to argue with man who reads Yahoo News, but nowhere in there does it say that a majority of employers, let alone "most" as you say, take life insurance policies out on their employees.

Please do your duty and die before you get to retirement age.  Murica, where the rich profit...always...under all conditions.  USA! USA! USA! YEAH, CAPITALISM!


That rebuttal makes your initial argument all the more convincing.  Well done.
 
2014-03-11 10:49:45 AM
"You also have to realize that this type of tragedy, as horrific it is, is very infrequent," Horner Kenneth said of the Malaysian airliner loss. "This is not something that occurs with any great frequency."

Kenneth knows the frequency
 
2014-03-11 11:30:16 AM
Piffle .. Extortion 17 lost 38 people from the same outfit and none a'ya'll raised an eyebrow ..
 
2014-03-11 12:03:06 PM
My wife asked my opinion if we should divide up our family and fly on separate flights.  I suggested I should go one one flight and she and the kids on another.  She didn't think that was funny.
 
2014-03-11 12:15:07 PM

Fissile: Dirty little secret that most workers are unaware of: Most employers will PROFIT from the death of an employee.  Most employers take out life insurance polices...payable to the employer.....for "key employees".  A key employee is defined as pretty much any worker that's making more than minimum wage.   Worker gets killed on the way to the job?  Profit!


uh, no
 
2014-03-11 12:19:26 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: The vanished employees were engineers or specialists involved in projects to streamline and cut costs at key manufacturing facilities in China and Malaysia.

Good people. Shame.


So.
The company efficiency experts -- charged with cutting costs and reducing the workforce -- got killed when their plane went down.

I see.
 
2014-03-11 12:49:22 PM
Kind of like how the President and the Vice President aren't allowed to travel in the same vehicle?
 
2014-03-11 12:52:09 PM

Pontious Pilates: stonicus: I've always wondered how people will react when this eventually happens to an entire NFL team...


I am almost certain the major sports leagues do have a plan in place for such an event.

Quick check of the googles, and... Yup. "Disaster Draft." [shudder]

Link:  http://espn.go.com/gen/s/2001/0328/1163463.html


Wow, uh.. just wow.
 
2014-03-11 12:54:41 PM

Name_Omitted: Someone's been playing too much Shadowrun.


Threadjack/
Is the new DLC any good?
/threadjack
 
2014-03-11 01:40:28 PM
If they had worked for Wal Mart all you'd hear is the biatching about how they can't cash in on there employees life insurance policy.
 
2014-03-11 01:47:23 PM

OtherLittleGuy: [upload.wikimedia.org image 738x583]

"Hey, guys! What's going on in this thread?"

Wow, what a sad reminder of the 5 Sullivan brothers who died when they were on the same Navy ship that went down in World War II.  Very sad movie, "The Fighting Sullivans".  After this tragedy, military changed their policy and did not allow that many family members in the same unit.

 
2014-03-11 02:37:17 PM

dukeblue219: Gonz: It's a valid business continuity question. "We don't think there's a high probability of an issue" is also a valid answer.

We laughed about it when we saw it in our policies last fall, but it's there -- no more than 6 company employees shall use the same mode of conveyance, nor more than 50% of any team or division.


My company has that too. It specifically calls out the CEO and CFO, but goes on to put similar caps on number of employees and/or percent of a team that can travel together, and etc. Oddly, I just looked at that a few days ago, before MH370 even took off.
 
2014-03-11 03:47:40 PM
 
2014-03-11 07:26:46 PM

eldie: OtherLittleGuy: [upload.wikimedia.org image 738x583]

"Hey, guys! What's going on in this thread?"

Wow, what a sad reminder of the 5 Sullivan brothers who died when they were on the same Navy ship that went down in World War II.  Very sad movie, "The Fighting Sullivans".  After this tragedy, military changed their policy and did not allow that many family members in the same unit.


That was why they had to go save Good Will Hunting from Treadstone.
 
2014-03-11 08:32:13 PM
I was at a company meeting once when someone in corporate travel realized that there 16 of us on one flight. There was no policy at the time but it was decided that no more than ten could be on one plane. Now there is a policy of what top people can travel together and it also allows no more than 5 employees to be on any flight or four in a vehicle or train.
 
2014-03-11 11:15:19 PM
So Intel did it?
 
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