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2014-03-11 12:23:32 AM
It's just that these goddamn skinny jeans make me look so damn fat! I just don't get it! BWAAAAHHHHHHHH.
 
2014-03-11 12:38:37 AM
This has been true since the first Calvin Klein underwear ad in the 80s.
 
2014-03-11 01:33:51 AM
It's never been just girls. It's always been a much larger percentage of girls.
 
2014-03-11 01:37:47 AM
Submitter sounds fat.
 
2014-03-11 01:39:44 AM
I've got negative body image.

It happens to be completely justified.

The womenfolk are hard pressed not to agree.
 
2014-03-11 01:41:18 AM
Fat prick: "I feel terrible for being a fat prick"
Chris Rock: "Your supposed to!"
 
2014-03-11 01:42:06 AM
Commercial I just saw. "The first male razor built for terrain."

ie. flat chests and stomachs are for LOSERS
 
2014-03-11 01:43:12 AM
Good.
 
2014-03-11 01:44:46 AM
I never understood why men are expected to have hairless bodies.  To me body hair = masculine = sexy.  Why would you want to look like a polished Ken doll?
 
2014-03-11 01:46:22 AM
Bigorexia?
 
2014-03-11 01:48:48 AM
It's never been just for girls. We just happen to live in a time where the idea of manliness still being tied to one's ability to present a callous appearance converges with the sexism pendulum swinging too far in the other direction. It's socially acceptable to care more about problems that females face while ignoring problems that males face, because males have historically been on the top of every socio-political ladder. Females doing poor in college? Emergency. Males doing poor and dropping out? Whatever. Female is sexually harassed by a colleague? Emergency. Male is harassed? Whatever. It's acceptable to give females overt preference in everything from job hiring to family court and no one cares. So of course there is a big social push to try to fix any problems females encounter, such as negative body image. The fact that males encounter the same problems is virtually irrelevant. Males are simply told to toughen up and deal with it.

It's not that males don't have to deal with body image problems too. It's that society as a whole has been conditioned to not give a shiat about male problems.
 
2014-03-11 01:48:56 AM
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2014-03-11 01:49:51 AM
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2014-03-11 01:51:25 AM

taurusowner: It's never been just for girls. We just happen to live in a time where the idea of manliness still being tied to one's ability to present a callous appearance converges with the sexism pendulum swinging too far in the other direction. It's socially acceptable to care more about problems that females face while ignoring problems that males face, because males have historically been on the top of every socio-political ladder. Females doing poor in college? Emergency. Males doing poor and dropping out? Whatever. Female is sexually harassed by a colleague? Emergency. Male is harassed? Whatever. It's acceptable to give females overt preference in everything from job hiring to family court and no one cares. So of course there is a big social push to try to fix any problems females encounter, such as negative body image. The fact that males encounter the same problems is virtually irrelevant. Males are simply told to toughen up and deal with it.

It's not that males don't have to deal with body image problems too. It's that society as a whole has been conditioned to not give a shiat about male problems.


You sound fat privileged oh, fark it, you're right.
 
2014-03-11 01:53:57 AM
Dear guys

Try not to look like sh*t


Bathe often.  Don't live in the recliner.  Walk off those pizzas.


Ta da.
 
2014-03-11 02:00:10 AM

HortusMatris: I never understood why men are expected to have hairless bodies.  To me body hair = masculine = sexy.  Why would you want to look like a polished Ken doll?


I shear my upper body occasionally just because it's more comfortable to be rocking berber instead of shag. Also moments like this at 26 seconds in.
 
2014-03-11 02:00:53 AM

bunner: Dear guys

Try not to look like sh*t


Bathe often.  Don't live in the recliner.  Walk off those pizzas.


Ta da.


This by god.

GF has 19 yo son, 2 baths a week if lucky - puffy zit face.  Actually watches video game contests online.  Exercise? hahaha.
 
2014-03-11 02:08:00 AM

bunner: Dear guys

Try not to look like sh*t


Bathe often.  Don't live in the recliner.  Walk off those pizzas.


Ta da.


The discrepancy is that it's still socially acceptable to say that to males. It's not acceptable to say that to females. Those who are looking for an equal and gender blind society need to ask why this is so, and how it can be changed.
 
2014-03-11 02:08:06 AM

fredbox: taurusowner: It's never been just for girls. We just happen to live in a time where the idea of manliness still being tied to one's ability to present a callous appearance converges with the sexism pendulum swinging too far in the other direction. It's socially acceptable to care more about problems that females face while ignoring problems that males face, because males have historically been on the top of every socio-political ladder. Females doing poor in college? Emergency. Males doing poor and dropping out? Whatever. Female is sexually harassed by a colleague? Emergency. Male is harassed? Whatever. It's acceptable to give females overt preference in everything from job hiring to family court and no one cares. So of course there is a big social push to try to fix any problems females encounter, such as negative body image. The fact that males encounter the same problems is virtually irrelevant. Males are simply told to toughen up and deal with it.

It's not that males don't have to deal with body image problems too. It's that society as a whole has been conditioned to not give a shiat about male problems.

You sound fat privileged oh, fark it, you're right.


Short version: Men with troubles are supposed to man up. Women with troubles have to be rescued, because despite a lot of well-meaning attempts, the phrase "woman up" has never caught on, mostly because no one has ever adequately defined just what gender stereotype it's meant to invoke.
 
2014-03-11 02:10:43 AM

JRinOKC: [img.fark.net image 450x477]


Well He-Man is actually a body image worth looking up to.
A little too much muscle, but still physically in great shape.
Barbie looks like a wraith, with no muscle at all, and no ass or breasts.
Barbie's failure is that straight men don't find her attractive.
 
2014-03-11 02:13:38 AM
Great. They didnt raise girls up they dragged boys down
 
2014-03-11 02:17:20 AM

bunner: Dear guys

Try not to look like sh*t


Bathe often.  Don't live in the recliner.  Walk off those pizzas.


Ta da.


Awesome advice. I would like to invite you double-X chromosome types to do the same. Put in a little effort, but don't go nuts. Relax and be happy with who your are. About 1/2 the human race will think you're 10 kinds of wonderful.
 
2014-03-11 02:21:06 AM

JRinOKC: [img.fark.net image 450x477]


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2014-03-11 02:27:19 AM

JRinOKC: [img.fark.net image 450x477]


But that's how boys actually want to look because it's powerful and male power, blah de blah blah.  He-Man certainly isn't for women, that's for damn sure, NTTAWWT.
 
2014-03-11 02:30:36 AM
Girls: Don't become morbidly obese, and maybe slap on some basic makeup; Boom, done. Attractive.

Guys: I believe in taking care of myself, in a balanced diet, and in a rigorous exercise routine. In the morning, if my face is a little puffy, I'll put on an ice pack while doing my stomach crunches. I can do a thousand now. After I remove the icepack, I use a deep pore-cleanser lotion. In the shower, I use a water-activated gel cleanser, then a honey-almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb mint facial masque which I leave on for ten minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after-shave lotion with little or no alcohol because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm, followed by a final moisturizing "protective" lotion.

That, and don't forget to lift, or you'll look like a scrawny pussy.

taurusowner: It's never been just for girls. We just happen to live in a time where the idea of manliness still being tied to one's ability to present a callous appearance converges with the sexism pendulum swinging too far in the other direction. It's socially acceptable to care more about problems that females face while ignoring problems that males face, because males have historically been on the top of every socio-political ladder. Females doing poor in college? Emergency. Males doing poor and dropping out? Whatever. Female is sexually harassed by a colleague? Emergency. Male is harassed? Whatever. It's acceptable to give females overt preference in everything from job hiring to family court and no one cares. So of course there is a big social push to try to fix any problems females encounter, such as negative body image. The fact that males encounter the same problems is virtually irrelevant. Males are simply told to toughen up and deal with it.

It's not that males don't have to deal with body image problems too. It's that society as a whole has been conditioned to not give a shiat about male problems.


Absolutely correct. If you even claim to be sympathetic to MRA causes around certain feminist circles, you'll be devoured alive. As a social egalitarian, it's hilarious and sad.
 
2014-03-11 02:30:37 AM

taurusowner: The discrepancy is that it's still socially acceptable to say that to males. It's not acceptable to say that to females. Those who are looking for an equal and gender blind society need to ask why this is so, and how it can be changed.


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Yyyyeaahhhh, I'll get on that immediately.
 
2014-03-11 02:32:02 AM

taurusowner: It's never been just for girls. We just happen to live in a time where the idea of manliness still being tied to one's ability to present a callous appearance converges with the sexism pendulum swinging too far in the other direction. It's socially acceptable to care more about problems that females face while ignoring problems that males face, because males have historically been on the top of every socio-political ladder. Females doing poor in college? Emergency. Males doing poor and dropping out? Whatever. Female is sexually harassed by a colleague? Emergency. Male is harassed? Whatever. It's acceptable to give females overt preference in everything from job hiring to family court and no one cares. So of course there is a big social push to try to fix any problems females encounter, such as negative body image. The fact that males encounter the same problems is virtually irrelevant. Males are simply told to toughen up and deal with it.

It's not that males don't have to deal with body image problems too. It's that society as a whole has been conditioned to not give a shiat about male problems.


I almost agree, but I'm detecting a misplaced complex of victimhood.  Maybe that's unfair, though.  Maybe I've just been become jaded by subjecting myself to too much MRA insanity(inanity?) on the internet.

I will throw out an idea, though.  On one hand, there is arguably a problem where men are generally discouraged from being emotional/emotive beings- where they are told to "man up" rather than being shown measures of sympathy for their plight.

On the other hand, issues like "harrassment" or "dropping out of school", etc. are much less of an issue for men because the "double standards" that we all like jerk ourselves off over.  It's a lot easier to swallow being sexually harassed, for example, when your chief value within society lies in things other than heterosexual male sexual pleasure.

i.e. when a man faces a certain issues, the social and cultural connotations and thus ramifications are different when a woman face the same issue, thus the social and cultural response (from various sectors) is expectedly different.

This is sort of why its ridiculous when you see a discussion about rape culture.  And dudes feel the need to chime in and say "men get raped too."  There is a weird propensity for "online dudes" to take an issue and make it about them.

We can start worrying about true equality and start putting as much effort into solving problems for men when the stratification separating the genders is anywhere near an equal level.  FFS, the 19th amendment was less than 100 years ago.  We have a long way to go before anyone with a brain is going to take the "cry for me I'm a white heterosexual man" complaint seriously.
 
2014-03-11 02:32:47 AM

EdgeRunner: fredbox: taurusowner: It's never been just for girls. We just happen to live in a time where the idea of manliness still being tied to one's ability to present a callous appearance converges with the sexism pendulum swinging too far in the other direction. It's socially acceptable to care more about problems that females face while ignoring problems that males face, because males have historically been on the top of every socio-political ladder. Females doing poor in college? Emergency. Males doing poor and dropping out? Whatever. Female is sexually harassed by a colleague? Emergency. Male is harassed? Whatever. It's acceptable to give females overt preference in everything from job hiring to family court and no one cares. So of course there is a big social push to try to fix any problems females encounter, such as negative body image. The fact that males encounter the same problems is virtually irrelevant. Males are simply told to toughen up and deal with it.

It's not that males don't have to deal with body image problems too. It's that society as a whole has been conditioned to not give a shiat about male problems.

You sound fat privileged oh, fark it, you're right.

Short version: Men with troubles are supposed to man up. Women with troubles have to be rescued, because despite a lot of well-meaning attempts, the phrase "woman up" has never caught on, mostly because no one has ever adequately defined just what gender stereotype it's meant to invoke.


I think the difference is that women with perfectly fine physiques are constantly being criticized for their body shapes. A young boy in equivalent shape doesn't face anything similar.

/Father of a young boy
//Have colleagues with young daughters
 
2014-03-11 02:39:49 AM
[Looks between legs.]

Nope, no negative body image here.
 
2014-03-11 02:40:14 AM

FraggleStickCar: taurusowner: It's not that males don't have to deal with body image problems too. It's that society as a whole has been conditioned to not give a shiat about male problems.

I almost agree, but I'm detecting a misplaced complex of victimhood.  Maybe that's unfair, though.  Maybe I've just been become jaded by subjecting myself to too much MRA insanity(inanity?) on the internet.

I will throw out an idea, though.  On one hand, there is arguably a problem where men are generally discouraged from being emotional/emotive beings- where they are told to "man up" rather than being shown measures of sympathy for their plight.

On the other hand, issues like "harrassment" or "dropping out of school", etc. are much less of an issue for men because the "double standards" that we all like jerk ourselves off over.  It's a lot easier to swallow being sexually harassed, for example, when your chief value within society lies in things other than heterosexual male sexual pleasure.

i.e. when a man faces a certain issues, the social and cultural co .
..  Check your privilege. No one else is allowed to have problems due to their sex until EVERY issue relating to women is solved.


Yeah, no, I don't respect that argument. You have a point, but MRA and Feminist can pursue equality together, there's no need to try to marginalize males for speaking up about something affecting them.
 
2014-03-11 02:40:37 AM
I think the issue is that men are still mostly expected to be "in shape" or "fit".  Women are supposed to be "thin", "gorgeous", "made up", or "always put together".  Those are very different concepts with very different pressures.  I do feel for anyone under the pressure to look how someone else wants them to look instead of how they are meant to look.  Everyone doing the pressuring ought to just mind their own damn business and start filling their lives a little more so that they don't have time to notice and judge someone at the market or where ever for being out of shape or even obese.
 
2014-03-11 02:48:31 AM
This is news?  I was exceptionally skinny my whole life and people would comment on it all the time.  I would have loved to have those six pack abs women seem to drool over, but working out daily never got me there.
 
2014-03-11 02:49:16 AM
With all the He-Man references, I'm surprised there's been no Skeletor. I'm way more built than that guy.
 
2014-03-11 02:49:35 AM

FraggleStickCar: taurusowner: It's never been just for girls. We just happen to live in a time where the idea of manliness still being tied to one's ability to present a callous appearance converges with the sexism pendulum swinging too far in the other direction. It's socially acceptable to care more about problems that females face while ignoring problems that males face, because males have historically been on the top of every socio-political ladder. Females doing poor in college? Emergency. Males doing poor and dropping out? Whatever. Female is sexually harassed by a colleague? Emergency. Male is harassed? Whatever. It's acceptable to give females overt preference in everything from job hiring to family court and no one cares. So of course there is a big social push to try to fix any problems females encounter, such as negative body image. The fact that males encounter the same problems is virtually irrelevant. Males are simply told to toughen up and deal with it.

It's not that males don't have to deal with body image problems too. It's that society as a whole has been conditioned to not give a shiat about male problems.

I almost agree, but I'm detecting a misplaced complex of victimhood.  Maybe that's unfair, though.  Maybe I've just been become jaded by subjecting myself to too much MRA insanity(inanity?) on the internet.

I will throw out an idea, though.  On one hand, there is arguably a problem where men are generally discouraged from being emotional/emotive beings- where they are told to "man up" rather than being shown measures of sympathy for their plight.

On the other hand, issues like "harrassment" or "dropping out of school", etc. are much less of an issue for men because the "double standards" that we all like jerk ourselves off over.  It's a lot easier to swallow being sexually harassed, for example, when your chief value within society lies in things other than heterosexual male sexual pleasure.

i.e. when a man faces a certain issues, the social and cultural co ...


But that attitude is just adding to the problem. There is too much of an "you men had you chance, now we want to be the ones who can act sexist with no repercussions" air to it all. Societal sins are NOT hereditary. I did not own slaves. I did not choose not to hire woman at my non-existent company. I did not campaign against women's rights 100 years ago. So I refuse to be punished and told to stand aside because some other dudes did that stuff before I was even born. Once the people who commit a certain evil act are dead, you don't get to just go after others who look similar to then to vent your rage. The dirty little secret about so many so called champions of equality is that what they really want is revenge. They don't want even privilege, they want the privilege for themselves and a chance to hold others down. That's the only way the double standard attitudes that you just voiced can make sense. If you oppose inequality, oppose inequality. Not just for your side. And certainly not at the expense of others, even if they happen to have the same physical makeup of those who held your ancestors down.

Just once I would love to meet someone who championed gender equality, race equality, etc to actually walk the walk and really go for real equality, not just turning the tables. But that would mean admitting that their own side has plenty of faults that need to be fixed, and that punishing those who look like their past enemies is not just. It would mean giving up on the "have your cake and eat it too" dream. Yes you can have all the good stuff you were denied in the past. No you can't deny that same good stuff to others now because you're angry.  No you don't get to have all the benefits of your new enhanced position while refusing to accept the bad parts or responsibilities that others have had to deal with.   And no you can't pretend that others' problems don't exist just because yours were worse in the past. Case and point, if your response to "men are raped too" isn't immediately "you're right. That's equally terrible and deserves just as much prosecution" you're not getting the point of equality.


If your argument is along the lines of "well your side had it so good for so long, just suck it up while we land a few punches of our own now" you're not really in favor of equality, you just want revenge.
 
2014-03-11 03:01:18 AM
Speaking as a 130 lb man, 6'1, I've never had any sort of problem with my body image or anything else about myself. It's called grow the hell up. Being a man isn't about how you see yourself, it's about what you do.
 
2014-03-11 03:02:27 AM

Abacus9: Speaking as a 130 lb man, 6'1, I've never had any sort of problem with my body image or anything else about myself. It's called grow the hell up. Being a man personisn't about how you see yourself, it's about what you do.


Edited for equality.
 
2014-03-11 03:08:33 AM
Yeah, that was high school. I was taking this creatine shiat and ultimate orange or something. Lifting weights aw yeah I'm going to be a muscle man. Some teens I knew were using steroids and becoming little Hulks. It was stupid, I was scrawny, nothing I was willing to try was going to change that. But a couple years after giving that up and after a couple years of growing, I filled out. And if I don't keep an eye on it, I'll continue too. mmm doughnuts

It was so stupid, and so pointless. But yeah, males have body image problems too.
 
2014-03-11 03:09:21 AM

taurusowner: Abacus9: Speaking as a 130 lb man, 6'1, I've never had any sort of problem with my body image or anything else about myself. It's called grow the hell up. Being a man personisn't about how you see yourself, it's about what you do.

Edited for equality.


And for truth. I was only speaking from my own experience, but I guess I'm also a person.
 
2014-03-11 03:14:13 AM

justaguy516: EdgeRunner: fredbox: taurusowner: It's never been just for girls. We just happen to live in a time where the idea of manliness still being tied to one's ability to present a callous appearance converges with the sexism pendulum swinging too far in the other direction. It's socially acceptable to care more about problems that females face while ignoring problems that males face, because males have historically been on the top of every socio-political ladder. Females doing poor in college? Emergency. Males doing poor and dropping out? Whatever. Female is sexually harassed by a colleague? Emergency. Male is harassed? Whatever. It's acceptable to give females overt preference in everything from job hiring to family court and no one cares. So of course there is a big social push to try to fix any problems females encounter, such as negative body image. The fact that males encounter the same problems is virtually irrelevant. Males are simply told to toughen up and deal with it.

It's not that males don't have to deal with body image problems too. It's that society as a whole has been conditioned to not give a shiat about male problems.

You sound fat privileged oh, fark it, you're right.

Short version: Men with troubles are supposed to man up. Women with troubles have to be rescued, because despite a lot of well-meaning attempts, the phrase "woman up" has never caught on, mostly because no one has ever adequately defined just what gender stereotype it's meant to invoke.

I think the difference is that women with perfectly fine physiques are constantly being criticized for their body shapes. A young boy in equivalent shape doesn't face anything similar.

/Father of a young boy
//Have colleagues with young daughters


Hey, maybe it's society's fault, maybe it's everyone's fault, but a young boy whose shape is the equivalent of a woman with a fine physique is going to attract all kinds of comments.
 
2014-03-11 03:26:01 AM

Abacus9: Speaking as a 130 lb man, 6'1, I've never had any sort of problem with my body image or anything else about myself. It's called grow the hell up. Being a man isn't about how you see yourself, it's about what you do.


Speaking as a 180 lb man, 6'3", I'd love to know your secret. Back when I was 165, my friends kept pointing out I looked like an escaped POW. I don't know how I could have dropped another 30 pounds without cutting off an arm.
 
2014-03-11 03:35:49 AM
At my local gym, I go mainly to play basketball and other organized sports, there are guys there from their teens on up carrying around gallon jugs bags full of powders and vitamins and that work out seven days a week sometimes twice a day according to the staff.

Many of them wearing things that would make the girls that got their workout outfits from playboys gym wear like mild.

If you are not competing for something there is no reason to work out that much except for body image issues
 
2014-03-11 03:36:42 AM

Begoggle: JRinOKC: [img.fark.net image 450x477]

Well He-Man is actually a body image worth looking up to.
A little too much muscle, but still physically in great shape.
Barbie looks like a wraith, with no muscle at all, and no ass or breasts.
Barbie's failure is that straight men don't find her attractive.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-11 03:44:21 AM

Abacus9: Speaking as a 130 lb man, 6'1, I've never had any sort of problem with my body image or anything else about myself. It's called grow the hell up. Being a man isn't about how you see yourself, it's about what you do.


It's good that you have a healthy sense of yourself, but these arguments are always about overarching influences within society.  It isn't black and white, they aren't saying that this will absolutely affect everyone the same way, but there ARE effects from these sorts of pervasive messages and images on the large scape.  Certainly they affect some people more than others, but the fact that you can get past it doesn't make it reasonable to expect that everyone will.  If you have a lot of people becoming anorexic, or taking steroids, or what-have-you, writing it off as "people need to have personal responsibility" doesn't help fix the problem.  We need to understand how our collective social conditioning affects people, and the first step in doing that is to acknowledge that it does affect people.
 
2014-03-11 03:51:34 AM
 
2014-03-11 04:01:07 AM
What evolutionary biology tells us.

Girls: To get a boy to love you, be sexually attractive.

Boys: To get a girl to love you, be sexually attractive, a musician, or rich. In fact skip the first two and just be rich.
 
2014-03-11 04:01:35 AM

bdub77: It's just that these goddamn skinny jeans make me look so damn fat! I just don't get it! BWAAAAHHHHHHHH.


Done in one.

/seriously, there needs to be a ban on skinny jeans
//and stocking caps half worn on a head, especially over 60 degrees
///dumbest fashion trends since the 80s
 
2014-03-11 04:06:37 AM
i.imgur.com

Are women fat-shaming, again?

REAL MEN HAVE CURVES.
 
2014-03-11 04:12:56 AM

WillofJ2: At my local gym, I go mainly to play basketball and other organized sports, there are guys there from their teens on up carrying around gallon jugs bags full of powders and vitamins and that work out seven days a week sometimes twice a day according to the staff.

Many of them wearing things that would make the girls that got their workout outfits from playboys gym wear like mild.

If you are not competing for something there is no reason to work out that much except for body image issues


Maybe they are extras on 300.

Also, lots of people get super ripped for their blogs and make money from becoming personal trainers.

You can make a living being jacked now.
But, you got to learn all the ins and outs by actually trying a lot of supplements and learning all the exercises. Then, some guy with lots of money but not enough time to figure out the ins and outs of bodybuilding will pay you to get results for them.

Criticizing people for going to the gym is like criticizing people going to the library.
 
2014-03-11 04:23:00 AM
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2014-03-11 04:25:14 AM
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Doom Patrol, anyone?
 
2014-03-11 04:27:30 AM

mr0x: WillofJ2: At my local gym, I go mainly to play basketball and other organized sports, there are guys there from their teens on up carrying around gallon jugs bags full of powders and vitamins and that work out seven days a week sometimes twice a day according to the staff.

Many of them wearing things that would make the girls that got their workout outfits from playboys gym wear like mild.

If you are not competing for something there is no reason to work out that much except for body image issues

Maybe they are extras on 300.

Also, lots of people get super ripped for their blogs and make money from becoming personal trainers.

You can make a living being jacked now.
But, you got to learn all the ins and outs by actually trying a lot of supplements and learning all the exercises. Then, some guy with lots of money but not enough time to figure out the ins and outs of bodybuilding will pay you to get results for them.

Criticizing people for going to the gym is like criticizing people going to the library.


I agree to a certain point, but it seems like there has got to be a point where  there is no more gain, were it is more like an addiction then a lifestyle, and it could very well be that i just cant relate to it there for it is odd to me and easier to critize then understand. Sucks being human sometimes

Though I will not relent on how insane people dress to go to the gym men and women alike
 
2014-03-11 05:24:14 AM
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What sexy may look like.
 
2014-03-11 05:37:30 AM
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Yeah, how about we enourage everyone to be healthy, and not body-shame anyone?
 
2014-03-11 05:47:03 AM

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Yeah, how about we enourage everyone to be healthy, and not body-shame anyone?


Body shaming helps most people eat healthy and exercise.
 
2014-03-11 05:47:41 AM

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And now I know what it feels like to turn gay.
 
2014-03-11 05:57:44 AM

FraggleStickCar: On one hand, there is arguably a problem where men are generally discouraged from being emotional/emotive beings- where they are told to "man up" rather than being shown measures of sympathy for their plight.

On the other hand, issues like "harrassment" or "dropping out of school", etc. are much less of an issue for men because the "double standards" ...


So in response to someone saying the problem is that females are protected and males are told to man up, your solution is to say that males should just man up and women need protecting?

You know this isn`t about the wimmins this time...

This is a guy problem but lets make it all about the women and say that if a women has a problem that means a guy could never be accepted as having it! (or if they do it`s dismissible anyway) Like every single other problem!

Think about men saying these lines and how you think you would react.

"I`m getting beaten up by my partner"
"I`m getting bullied at work/school"
"I`m getting a lot of verbal abuse from my partner"
"I`m trying to lose the last 2% of body fat"
"I`m ugly"

Now examine how you would react if it were a woman saying it.

The difference in how you feel is your bias. The bias is the problem in this case.
 
2014-03-11 06:13:50 AM
img.fark.net

This is perfect. This is a very graphic example of double standards. Nobody really likes sex with fat people but guys are told often that if they do not they are mysogynists.

Women, this is how it feels. To get it right you should be told that if you do not prefer the guy on the left you are an a mysandrist.

Real men (actual real men, not real men like `real men do X`) have a belly, most have a small chest, and a lot have hair.

I would guess that there are as many men with Moobs as there are women with Guttocks.
 
2014-03-11 06:16:35 AM

sauwar: No Such Agency: Meanwhile in the Fark ad banner:

[cdn2sitescout.edgesuite.net image 300x250]

Yeah, how about we enourage everyone to be healthy, and not body-shame anyone?

Body shaming helps most people eat healthy and exercise.


Yeah right.

1/10
 
2014-03-11 06:32:57 AM

dready zim: [img.fark.net image 640x634]

This is perfect. This is a very graphic example of double standards. Nobody really likes sex with fat people but guys are told often that if they do not they are mysogynists.

Women, this is how it feels. To get it right you should be told that if you do not prefer the guy on the left you are an a mysandrist.

Real men (actual real men, not real men like `real men do X`) have a belly, most have a small chest, and a lot have hair.

I would guess that there are as many men with Moobs as there are women with Guttocks.


You're allowed to not be attracted to fat people. Everybody is shallow to a degree, unless they're pansexual demigods. You can't control what pops your tent. Only fatties on facebook copy paste that "curves" garbage.

/the proper term is rolls
//chubby is cool, obese is not
///who cares what I think though
 
2014-03-11 06:35:38 AM

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: Actually watches video game contests online.


Nuthin' wrong with that.
 
2014-03-11 06:47:01 AM

HortusMatris: I never understood why men are expected to have hairless bodies.  To me body hair = masculine = sexy.  Why would you want to look like a polished Ken doll?


There's a limit, though. Apparently, there's a bit of difference between a guy with chest hair, and one that is occasionally mistaken for a sasquatch every time he goes hiking. I lovingly refer to my current state as "early Chewbacca"
 
2014-03-11 06:47:44 AM

JRinOKC: [img.fark.net image 450x477]


I think overallt he pressure to look a particular way is less on men then girls, but for those that feel it, it is a lot easier to be thin then to be jacked.
 
2014-03-11 06:56:09 AM

SpacePirate: Yeah, no, I don't respect that argument. You have a point, but MRA and Feminist can pursue equality together, there's no need to try to marginalize males for speaking up about something affecting them.


Except that a lot of MRA positions seem to be "revert back to previous gender roles".
 
2014-03-11 07:09:15 AM
as a recovering chubby guy, I'd just like to say: Duh. Noone gives a shiat, or any support to a fat guy, even one trying to work out and be thinner and healthier. I'm so farking sick of women biatching about video game characters.. what, that height weight proportionate game character that's a little extra stacked is about as realistic as conan/he-man models for male characters. Anyway, yeah, there is no love or support or giving a shiat about being fat as a man. Motivation is: noone wants to fark you ever and you might as well replace all your photos with Forever Alone.

That being said, that's pretty good motivation.

/also, running into exes, being thinner rocks for that
 
2014-03-11 07:17:49 AM
FraggleStickCar: We have a long way to go before anyone with a brain is going to take the "cry for me I'm a white heterosexual man" complaint seriously.

First, leave your racism out of it.  Hiding sexism issues behind politically correct racism is cowardly.

Now, google the sentencing difference between men and women for the same crimes.  It is huge, and every study ever done agrees on that finding.   It is, in fact, MUCH larger than the sentencing difference between whites and blacks.  I assert that inequality under the law is no minor nitpick, and does in fact indicate the opposite of what you just said.  Until men have equal rights under the law, it is difficult to take seriously feminist rants about or hooters uniforms, or why pink is for girls and how horrible that is, or why the toy aisle for girls isdifferent than boys, etc.
 
2014-03-11 07:24:04 AM

FraggleStickCar: On the other hand, issues like "harrassment" or "dropping out of school", etc. are much less of an issue for men because the "double standards" that we all like jerk ourselves off over. It's a lot easier to swallow being sexually harassed, for example, when your chief value within society lies in things other than heterosexual male sexual pleasure.

i.e. when a man faces a certain issues, the social and cultural connotations and thus ramifications are different when a woman face the same issue, thus the social and cultural response (from various sectors) is expectedly different.


Yeah. The growing achievement gap between boys and girls is no big deal because society doesn't expect men to get jobs.
 
2014-03-11 07:32:03 AM

mr0x: Criticizing people for going to the gym is like criticizing people going to the library.


What if they have to be there in 26 minutes? Can we criticize them then?
 
2014-03-11 07:36:54 AM
I like the fact I'm not comfortable with myself. Feeling like you always have to improve yourself is a good life lesson for work/a good habit in general.
 
2014-03-11 07:44:06 AM
Shame is a useful tool. Not sure why we think it is bad. Instead of anti-bullying campaigns, we should actually encourage it, and the attractive people should get bonus points for creative fat shaming.
 
2014-03-11 07:47:44 AM
Negative body image: it's not just for girls anymore

Was it ever?

content.artofmanliness.com

/couldn't find the "hey blubberpuss" one
 
2014-03-11 07:55:25 AM
Fun fact: Exercise actually makes people feel better iin general, and about themselves in particular.  Bonus: There's actually a reason we're attracted (usually) to people who look healthy!

I know, it's shocking.
 
2014-03-11 08:08:42 AM
1. Good If concerns about body image mean kids stop being fat ass beach balls with lips what is the downside? Since it has been determined we all have to pick up the health care costs of the fat and otherwise irresponsible (except for smokers, unlike the fat they get hit with a health plan surcharge) being a fat slob is not acceptable.

2. Bad Men should be tough enough not to have these body image issues besides being man enough to not get fat first in the first place.
 
2014-03-11 08:10:53 AM
Of course males have a growing body image issue.  They are no longer used a meal tickets and have to do something other than earn a respectable living to attract a mate.
 
2014-03-11 08:13:59 AM

hasty ambush: 1. Good If concerns about body image mean kids stop being fat ass beach balls with lips what is the downside? Since it has been determined we all have to pick up the health care costs of the fat and otherwise irresponsible (except for smokers, unlike the fat they get hit with a health plan surcharge) being a fat slob is not acceptable.

2. Bad Men should be tough enough not to have these body image issues besides being man enough to not get fat first in the first place.


It's like you condensed all the mixed messages of a cosmo magazine into a single sentence.  I guess that's male efficiency for you.
 
2014-03-11 08:20:59 AM
Here's an actual encounter I had with a horrible man just the other night. Yes, he was quite good looking, but just... No.

His opening line "I'm 30, a doctor and I drive a Porsche." (Really? This is what you open with?)

Other standout comments:
"I've have cheek implants and a chin implant, to give me a stronger jawline. I'll stop caring what I look like when I get married."

"I have 7% body fat. I work out twice a day." (To this I said "Don't you think that time would be better spent working on your personality?". Naturally, he didn't find that to be an insult...instead apparently some sort of coquettish invitation to up his flirting game. For a doctor, he was extraordinarily dumb.)

So, positive body image, but completely oblivious. Sure, some woman will cut their best friend to get the opportunity to meet such a guy, but the rest of us find them to be a waste of time.

Personality goes a long way, but do put forth efforts to at least take basic care of yourself. We'll do the same, ok?
 
2014-03-11 08:40:42 AM
This is not a repeat from the last 10,000 years.
 
2014-03-11 08:51:23 AM
I don't care what she looks like as long as she's nice.
Being pleasant goes further than looking "hot"
 
2014-03-11 08:52:23 AM
It's never just been about girls. They just talk about it more, like they talk about everything more.
 
2014-03-11 08:53:04 AM

vudukungfu: I don't care what she looks like as long as she's nice.
Being pleasant goes further than looking "hot"


Everyone needs friends.
 
2014-03-11 09:11:05 AM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-03-11 09:19:16 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: This has been true since the first Calvin Klein underwear ad in the 80s.


I thought those ads made people gay?
 
2014-03-11 09:22:50 AM

HotWingAgenda: HortusMatris: I never understood why men are expected to have hairless bodies.  To me body hair = masculine = sexy.  Why would you want to look like a polished Ken doll?

I shear my upper body occasionally just because it's more comfortable to be rocking berber instead of shag. Also moments like this at 26 seconds in.


You sound gay.  Buy one of these in pink.

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2014-03-11 09:23:05 AM

taurusowner: Yes you can have all the good stuff you were denied in the past. No you can't deny that same good stuff to others now because you're angry.  No you don't get to have all the benefits of your new enhanced position while refusing to accept the bad parts or responsibilities that others have had to deal with.   And no you can't pretend that others' problems don't exist just because yours were worse in the past.


I appreciate your well-reasoned response. I haven't read the whole thread, and I expect you'll take some unreasonable attacks from people who identify too closely with your position and are in denial about it. Good stuff though.
 
2014-03-11 09:24:59 AM
Remember: girls having a negative body image is the fault of the "patriarchy" and judgemental males, but boys with a negative body image could not have possibly been caused by judgemental women, because 3rd-wave feminism dictates that women are incapable of wrongdoing or malice.
 
2014-03-11 09:26:06 AM

mutterfark: Negative body image: it's not just for girls anymore

Was it ever?

[content.artofmanliness.com image 488x722]

/couldn't find the "hey blubberpuss" one


Hah, I love the "love-tap". Also Charles Atlas looks like Mitt Romney.
 
2014-03-11 09:41:40 AM

Turbo Cojones: ecmoRandomNumbers: This has been true since the first Calvin Klein underwear ad in the 80s.

I thought those ads made people gay?


Only Mark Wahlberg .
 
2014-03-11 10:17:16 AM
There was at least a 3:1 fatty to fit ratio at the gym this morning. Good on them.
 
2014-03-11 10:40:07 AM

taurusowner: The fact that males encounter the same problems is virtually irrelevant. Males are simply told to toughen up and deal with it.


That's because they should.

/life's not fair, nancy
 
2014-03-11 11:23:25 AM

mikaloyd: Great. They didnt raise girls up they dragged boys down


You didn't see this coming???
 
2014-03-11 11:27:51 AM

No Such Agency: Meanwhile in the Fark ad banner:

[cdn2sitescout.edgesuite.net image 300x250]

Yeah, how about we enourage everyone to be healthy, and not body-shame anyone?


How bout we teach people not to give a fark about what anyone else thinks or says about them? Since when did "self" esteem become something that someone else could bestow on you or take away from you?
 
2014-03-11 11:31:35 AM

baconbeard: No Such Agency: Meanwhile in the Fark ad banner:

[cdn2sitescout.edgesuite.net image 300x250]

Yeah, how about we enourage everyone to be healthy, and not body-shame anyone?

How bout we teach people not to give a fark about what anyone else thinks or says about them? Since when did "self" esteem become something that someone else could bestow on you or take away from you?


When we decided it was society's responsibility to make you happy.
 
2014-03-11 11:33:14 AM

mutterfark: Negative body image: it's not just for girls anymore

Was it ever?

[content.artofmanliness.com image 488x722]

/couldn't find the "hey blubberpuss" one


A weakling weighing ninety-eight pounds
Will get sand in his face
When kicked to the ground
And soon in the gym
With a determined chin
The sweat from his pores
As he works for his cause
Will make him glisten
And gleam, and with massage
And just a little bit of steam
He'll be pink and quite clean

He'll be a strong man
Oh, honey!
But the wrong man

He'll eat nutritious, high protein
And swallow raw eggs
Try to build up his shoulders
His chest, arms, and legs
Such an effort
If he only knew of my plan
In just seven days
I can make you a man

He'll do press-ups and chin-ups
Do the snatch, clean, and jerk
He thinks dynamic tension
Must be hard work
Such strenuous living
I just don't understand
When in just seven days
Oh, baby
I can make you a man
 
2014-03-11 11:36:09 AM
I have a negative body image. I'm pushing 40 and my cholesterol shot up 40 points in 6 months.
So I eat salad, reduce snacking and go running.


I passed by a guy in a double wheel chair with his feet amputated, ten to one from diabetes.
Not sure that "being okay with your image" is a good thing, when it leads to a life where being able to walk and sleep without apnea is a thing of the past.

The problem isn't "that man in the picture makes me feel inadequate."
The problem is "I use food as a temporary fix for whatever." But rather than finding better fix or addressing the what evers, we seem more content with banning the ads that remind us we're on an unhealthy path.
 
2014-03-11 11:44:40 AM

Utter Genius: Remember: girls having a negative body image is the fault of the "patriarchy" and judgemental males, but boys with a negative body image could not have possibly been caused by judgemental women, because 3rd-wave feminism dictates that women are incapable of wrongdoing or malice.


You're either trolling or over-reacting. Calm down and have some dip.

3rd wave feminism is just a thing like religion is just a thing. It's a set of ideas, mores and beliefs, not a person.

My biggest beef with some 3rd wavers is their hypercriticism and oppression Olympics. They portray (cisgendered, straight) women as being incapable of making up their own mind about sex and gender - which seems a lot like a misogynist's POV to me. Also some 3rd wavers are really, really transphobic and sometimes even biphobic. In fact ask a bisexual about the reactions they get from heterosexuals vs. homosexuals sometime, especially the latter who wave the LGBTQIA flag proudly - except they're not so enthusiastic about that BTQIA part.

/Atheism+ fizzled out because of all that word/label/tone policing and privilege checking.
 
2014-03-11 12:10:26 PM

baconbeard: How bout we teach people not to give a fark about what anyone else thinks or says about them? Since when did "self" esteem become something that someone else could bestow on you or take away from you?


Because not giving a shiat is sociopathy, the opposite extreme. Weighing other peoples' expectations of you and accepting or rejecting them based on your own goals and beliefs is the only rational response as long as you want to live in society.

/Of course, we're not rational automations, but it's a better goal than sociopathy or people pleaser.

Utter Genius: Remember: girls having a negative body image is the fault of the "patriarchy" and judgemental males, but boys with a negative body image could not have possibly been caused by judgemental women, because 3rd-wave feminism dictates that women are incapable of wrongdoing or malice.


This is why people look down on many MRAs: The insistence on pinning everything they can on women, especially feminists, to the point of looking like tin-foil conspiracy theorists. In our society for over two hundred years, it's almost universally men promoting the Adonis body image, which nearly all young males subscribe to. Moms don't make their boys get ripped. The feminine starved waif body image is comparatively niche, and comes from music and club subcultures mostly.
 
2014-03-11 12:13:37 PM

meat0918: baconbeard: No Such Agency: Meanwhile in the Fark ad banner:

[cdn2sitescout.edgesuite.net image 300x250]

Yeah, how about we enourage everyone to be healthy, and not body-shame anyone?

How bout we teach people not to give a fark about what anyone else thinks or says about them? Since when did "self" esteem become something that someone else could bestow on you or take away from you?

When we decided it was society's responsibility to make you happy.


"Stop fat shaming" actually means "Stop exercising the power that I've willingly given you to make me feel bad about myself"
 
2014-03-11 12:32:25 PM

verbaltoxin: Utter Genius: Remember: girls having a negative body image is the fault of the "patriarchy" and judgemental males, but boys with a negative body image could not have possibly been caused by judgemental women, because 3rd-wave feminism dictates that women are incapable of wrongdoing or malice.

You're either trolling or over-reacting. Calm down and have some dip.

3rd wave feminism is just a thing like religion is just a thing. It's a set of ideas, mores and beliefs, not a person.

My biggest beef with some 3rd wavers is their hypercriticism and oppression Olympics. They portray (cisgendered, straight) women as being incapable of making up their own mind about sex and gender - which seems a lot like a misogynist's POV to me. Also some 3rd wavers are really, really transphobic and sometimes even biphobic. In fact ask a bisexual about the reactions they get from heterosexuals vs. homosexuals sometime, especially the latter who wave the LGBTQIA flag proudly - except they're not so enthusiastic about that BTQIA part.

/Atheism+ fizzled out because of all that word/label/tone policing and privilege checking.


I have to say that as a white, English speaking, straight cisgendered male of moderate financial stability - one of the most privileged beings on the planet - this sort of thing really baffles me. Cis women don't somehow come out ahead by invalidating trans women. Gays don't actually benefit by making life harder for bisexuals. Blacks don't benefit by being homophobic. The only rational and decent reaction to oppression is compassion and respect for ALL people.

I suppose someone with my privilege has the luxury of never having to fight for a seat at the table, but if your reaction to being screwed over is to try and screw someone else over... screw you.
 
2014-03-11 12:37:23 PM
"Pets or Meat- Part II"

Michael's back, and he is hungrier then ever before".

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-03-11 12:48:45 PM

foxyshadis: This is why people look down on many MRAs: The insistence on pinning everything they can on women, especially feminists, to the point of looking like tin-foil conspiracy theorists. In our society for over two hundred years, it's almost universally men promoting the Adonis body image


I agree. It's silly to think that women are pressuring men to look a certain way as much as they are pressuring each other. People don't care nearly as much about the male body as they do the female body. Anyway the number one thing women look for physically in a man is height, which can't be gained through diet or exercise anyway so there's no real pressuring unattractive men to change how they look, they just get dismissed and it's on to the next guy.

/short?
//tough titty for you
///not short
 
2014-03-11 12:56:25 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-11 04:16:50 PM

meat0918: mutterfark: Negative body image: it's not just for girls anymore

Was it ever?

[content.artofmanliness.com image 488x722]

/couldn't find the "hey blubberpuss" one

A weakling weighing ninety-eight pounds
Will get sand in his face
When kicked to the ground
And soon in the gym
With a determined chin
The sweat from his pores
As he works for his cause
Will make him glisten
And gleam, and with massage
And just a little bit of steam
He'll be pink and quite clean

He'll be a strong man
Oh, honey!
But the wrong man

He'll eat nutritious, high protein
And swallow raw eggs
Try to build up his shoulders
His chest, arms, and legs
Such an effort
If he only knew of my plan
In just seven days
I can make you a man

He'll do press-ups and chin-ups
Do the snatch, clean, and jerk
He thinks dynamic tension
Must be hard work
Such strenuous living
I just don't understand
When in just seven days
Oh, baby
I can make you a man


Is it sad that I could hear the tune in my head on reading the first verse?
 
2014-03-11 04:23:15 PM
cry some more, guys.
 
2014-03-11 07:18:02 PM

Thunderpipes: vudukungfu: I don't care what she looks like as long as she's nice.
Being pleasant goes further than looking "hot"

Everyone needs friends.


You've seen what passes for a dating pool in Vermont.
You get what you get and you like it.
 
2014-03-11 07:25:40 PM

vudukungfu: Thunderpipes: vudukungfu: I don't care what she looks like as long as she's nice.
Being pleasant goes further than looking "hot"

Everyone needs friends.

You've seen what passes for a dating pool in Vermont.
You get what you get and you like it.


vudukungfu is right. You'll get accustomed to a woman no matter how hot she is. Familiarity, contempt, all that. It'll happen even before she starts to age and start looking worse for real. What really matters is how they treat you, how sane and down to earth and appreciative they are, and how adventurous in bed.
 
2014-03-12 09:53:13 AM
Is it sad that I knew that the GI Joe at the top of the article was Lt. Falcon?
 
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