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2014-03-11 12:23:32 AM
It's just that these goddamn skinny jeans make me look so damn fat! I just don't get it! BWAAAAHHHHHHHH.
 
2014-03-11 12:38:37 AM
This has been true since the first Calvin Klein underwear ad in the 80s.
 
2014-03-11 01:33:51 AM
It's never been just girls. It's always been a much larger percentage of girls.
 
2014-03-11 01:37:47 AM
Submitter sounds fat.
 
2014-03-11 01:39:44 AM
I've got negative body image.

It happens to be completely justified.

The womenfolk are hard pressed not to agree.
 
2014-03-11 01:41:18 AM
Fat prick: "I feel terrible for being a fat prick"
Chris Rock: "Your supposed to!"
 
2014-03-11 01:42:06 AM
Commercial I just saw. "The first male razor built for terrain."

ie. flat chests and stomachs are for LOSERS
 
2014-03-11 01:43:12 AM
Good.
 
2014-03-11 01:44:46 AM
I never understood why men are expected to have hairless bodies.  To me body hair = masculine = sexy.  Why would you want to look like a polished Ken doll?
 
2014-03-11 01:46:22 AM
Bigorexia?
 
2014-03-11 01:48:48 AM
It's never been just for girls. We just happen to live in a time where the idea of manliness still being tied to one's ability to present a callous appearance converges with the sexism pendulum swinging too far in the other direction. It's socially acceptable to care more about problems that females face while ignoring problems that males face, because males have historically been on the top of every socio-political ladder. Females doing poor in college? Emergency. Males doing poor and dropping out? Whatever. Female is sexually harassed by a colleague? Emergency. Male is harassed? Whatever. It's acceptable to give females overt preference in everything from job hiring to family court and no one cares. So of course there is a big social push to try to fix any problems females encounter, such as negative body image. The fact that males encounter the same problems is virtually irrelevant. Males are simply told to toughen up and deal with it.

It's not that males don't have to deal with body image problems too. It's that society as a whole has been conditioned to not give a shiat about male problems.
 
2014-03-11 01:48:56 AM
cloud-2.steampowered.com
 
2014-03-11 01:49:51 AM
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-11 01:51:25 AM

taurusowner: It's never been just for girls. We just happen to live in a time where the idea of manliness still being tied to one's ability to present a callous appearance converges with the sexism pendulum swinging too far in the other direction. It's socially acceptable to care more about problems that females face while ignoring problems that males face, because males have historically been on the top of every socio-political ladder. Females doing poor in college? Emergency. Males doing poor and dropping out? Whatever. Female is sexually harassed by a colleague? Emergency. Male is harassed? Whatever. It's acceptable to give females overt preference in everything from job hiring to family court and no one cares. So of course there is a big social push to try to fix any problems females encounter, such as negative body image. The fact that males encounter the same problems is virtually irrelevant. Males are simply told to toughen up and deal with it.

It's not that males don't have to deal with body image problems too. It's that society as a whole has been conditioned to not give a shiat about male problems.


You sound fat privileged oh, fark it, you're right.
 
2014-03-11 01:53:57 AM
Dear guys

Try not to look like sh*t


Bathe often.  Don't live in the recliner.  Walk off those pizzas.


Ta da.
 
2014-03-11 02:00:10 AM

HortusMatris: I never understood why men are expected to have hairless bodies.  To me body hair = masculine = sexy.  Why would you want to look like a polished Ken doll?


I shear my upper body occasionally just because it's more comfortable to be rocking berber instead of shag. Also moments like this at 26 seconds in.
 
2014-03-11 02:00:53 AM

bunner: Dear guys

Try not to look like sh*t


Bathe often.  Don't live in the recliner.  Walk off those pizzas.


Ta da.


This by god.

GF has 19 yo son, 2 baths a week if lucky - puffy zit face.  Actually watches video game contests online.  Exercise? hahaha.
 
2014-03-11 02:08:00 AM

bunner: Dear guys

Try not to look like sh*t


Bathe often.  Don't live in the recliner.  Walk off those pizzas.


Ta da.


The discrepancy is that it's still socially acceptable to say that to males. It's not acceptable to say that to females. Those who are looking for an equal and gender blind society need to ask why this is so, and how it can be changed.
 
2014-03-11 02:08:06 AM

fredbox: taurusowner: It's never been just for girls. We just happen to live in a time where the idea of manliness still being tied to one's ability to present a callous appearance converges with the sexism pendulum swinging too far in the other direction. It's socially acceptable to care more about problems that females face while ignoring problems that males face, because males have historically been on the top of every socio-political ladder. Females doing poor in college? Emergency. Males doing poor and dropping out? Whatever. Female is sexually harassed by a colleague? Emergency. Male is harassed? Whatever. It's acceptable to give females overt preference in everything from job hiring to family court and no one cares. So of course there is a big social push to try to fix any problems females encounter, such as negative body image. The fact that males encounter the same problems is virtually irrelevant. Males are simply told to toughen up and deal with it.

It's not that males don't have to deal with body image problems too. It's that society as a whole has been conditioned to not give a shiat about male problems.

You sound fat privileged oh, fark it, you're right.


Short version: Men with troubles are supposed to man up. Women with troubles have to be rescued, because despite a lot of well-meaning attempts, the phrase "woman up" has never caught on, mostly because no one has ever adequately defined just what gender stereotype it's meant to invoke.
 
2014-03-11 02:10:43 AM

JRinOKC: [img.fark.net image 450x477]


Well He-Man is actually a body image worth looking up to.
A little too much muscle, but still physically in great shape.
Barbie looks like a wraith, with no muscle at all, and no ass or breasts.
Barbie's failure is that straight men don't find her attractive.
 
2014-03-11 02:13:38 AM
Great. They didnt raise girls up they dragged boys down
 
2014-03-11 02:17:20 AM

bunner: Dear guys

Try not to look like sh*t


Bathe often.  Don't live in the recliner.  Walk off those pizzas.


Ta da.


Awesome advice. I would like to invite you double-X chromosome types to do the same. Put in a little effort, but don't go nuts. Relax and be happy with who your are. About 1/2 the human race will think you're 10 kinds of wonderful.
 
2014-03-11 02:21:06 AM

JRinOKC: [img.fark.net image 450x477]


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-11 02:27:19 AM

JRinOKC: [img.fark.net image 450x477]


But that's how boys actually want to look because it's powerful and male power, blah de blah blah.  He-Man certainly isn't for women, that's for damn sure, NTTAWWT.
 
2014-03-11 02:30:36 AM
Girls: Don't become morbidly obese, and maybe slap on some basic makeup; Boom, done. Attractive.

Guys: I believe in taking care of myself, in a balanced diet, and in a rigorous exercise routine. In the morning, if my face is a little puffy, I'll put on an ice pack while doing my stomach crunches. I can do a thousand now. After I remove the icepack, I use a deep pore-cleanser lotion. In the shower, I use a water-activated gel cleanser, then a honey-almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb mint facial masque which I leave on for ten minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after-shave lotion with little or no alcohol because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm, followed by a final moisturizing "protective" lotion.

That, and don't forget to lift, or you'll look like a scrawny pussy.

taurusowner: It's never been just for girls. We just happen to live in a time where the idea of manliness still being tied to one's ability to present a callous appearance converges with the sexism pendulum swinging too far in the other direction. It's socially acceptable to care more about problems that females face while ignoring problems that males face, because males have historically been on the top of every socio-political ladder. Females doing poor in college? Emergency. Males doing poor and dropping out? Whatever. Female is sexually harassed by a colleague? Emergency. Male is harassed? Whatever. It's acceptable to give females overt preference in everything from job hiring to family court and no one cares. So of course there is a big social push to try to fix any problems females encounter, such as negative body image. The fact that males encounter the same problems is virtually irrelevant. Males are simply told to toughen up and deal with it.

It's not that males don't have to deal with body image problems too. It's that society as a whole has been conditioned to not give a shiat about male problems.


Absolutely correct. If you even claim to be sympathetic to MRA causes around certain feminist circles, you'll be devoured alive. As a social egalitarian, it's hilarious and sad.
 
2014-03-11 02:30:37 AM

taurusowner: The discrepancy is that it's still socially acceptable to say that to males. It's not acceptable to say that to females. Those who are looking for an equal and gender blind society need to ask why this is so, and how it can be changed.


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Yyyyeaahhhh, I'll get on that immediately.
 
2014-03-11 02:32:02 AM

taurusowner: It's never been just for girls. We just happen to live in a time where the idea of manliness still being tied to one's ability to present a callous appearance converges with the sexism pendulum swinging too far in the other direction. It's socially acceptable to care more about problems that females face while ignoring problems that males face, because males have historically been on the top of every socio-political ladder. Females doing poor in college? Emergency. Males doing poor and dropping out? Whatever. Female is sexually harassed by a colleague? Emergency. Male is harassed? Whatever. It's acceptable to give females overt preference in everything from job hiring to family court and no one cares. So of course there is a big social push to try to fix any problems females encounter, such as negative body image. The fact that males encounter the same problems is virtually irrelevant. Males are simply told to toughen up and deal with it.

It's not that males don't have to deal with body image problems too. It's that society as a whole has been conditioned to not give a shiat about male problems.


I almost agree, but I'm detecting a misplaced complex of victimhood.  Maybe that's unfair, though.  Maybe I've just been become jaded by subjecting myself to too much MRA insanity(inanity?) on the internet.

I will throw out an idea, though.  On one hand, there is arguably a problem where men are generally discouraged from being emotional/emotive beings- where they are told to "man up" rather than being shown measures of sympathy for their plight.

On the other hand, issues like "harrassment" or "dropping out of school", etc. are much less of an issue for men because the "double standards" that we all like jerk ourselves off over.  It's a lot easier to swallow being sexually harassed, for example, when your chief value within society lies in things other than heterosexual male sexual pleasure.

i.e. when a man faces a certain issues, the social and cultural connotations and thus ramifications are different when a woman face the same issue, thus the social and cultural response (from various sectors) is expectedly different.

This is sort of why its ridiculous when you see a discussion about rape culture.  And dudes feel the need to chime in and say "men get raped too."  There is a weird propensity for "online dudes" to take an issue and make it about them.

We can start worrying about true equality and start putting as much effort into solving problems for men when the stratification separating the genders is anywhere near an equal level.  FFS, the 19th amendment was less than 100 years ago.  We have a long way to go before anyone with a brain is going to take the "cry for me I'm a white heterosexual man" complaint seriously.
 
2014-03-11 02:32:47 AM

EdgeRunner: fredbox: taurusowner: It's never been just for girls. We just happen to live in a time where the idea of manliness still being tied to one's ability to present a callous appearance converges with the sexism pendulum swinging too far in the other direction. It's socially acceptable to care more about problems that females face while ignoring problems that males face, because males have historically been on the top of every socio-political ladder. Females doing poor in college? Emergency. Males doing poor and dropping out? Whatever. Female is sexually harassed by a colleague? Emergency. Male is harassed? Whatever. It's acceptable to give females overt preference in everything from job hiring to family court and no one cares. So of course there is a big social push to try to fix any problems females encounter, such as negative body image. The fact that males encounter the same problems is virtually irrelevant. Males are simply told to toughen up and deal with it.

It's not that males don't have to deal with body image problems too. It's that society as a whole has been conditioned to not give a shiat about male problems.

You sound fat privileged oh, fark it, you're right.

Short version: Men with troubles are supposed to man up. Women with troubles have to be rescued, because despite a lot of well-meaning attempts, the phrase "woman up" has never caught on, mostly because no one has ever adequately defined just what gender stereotype it's meant to invoke.


I think the difference is that women with perfectly fine physiques are constantly being criticized for their body shapes. A young boy in equivalent shape doesn't face anything similar.

/Father of a young boy
//Have colleagues with young daughters
 
2014-03-11 02:39:49 AM
[Looks between legs.]

Nope, no negative body image here.
 
2014-03-11 02:40:14 AM

FraggleStickCar: taurusowner: It's not that males don't have to deal with body image problems too. It's that society as a whole has been conditioned to not give a shiat about male problems.

I almost agree, but I'm detecting a misplaced complex of victimhood.  Maybe that's unfair, though.  Maybe I've just been become jaded by subjecting myself to too much MRA insanity(inanity?) on the internet.

I will throw out an idea, though.  On one hand, there is arguably a problem where men are generally discouraged from being emotional/emotive beings- where they are told to "man up" rather than being shown measures of sympathy for their plight.

On the other hand, issues like "harrassment" or "dropping out of school", etc. are much less of an issue for men because the "double standards" that we all like jerk ourselves off over.  It's a lot easier to swallow being sexually harassed, for example, when your chief value within society lies in things other than heterosexual male sexual pleasure.

i.e. when a man faces a certain issues, the social and cultural co .
..  Check your privilege. No one else is allowed to have problems due to their sex until EVERY issue relating to women is solved.


Yeah, no, I don't respect that argument. You have a point, but MRA and Feminist can pursue equality together, there's no need to try to marginalize males for speaking up about something affecting them.
 
2014-03-11 02:40:37 AM
I think the issue is that men are still mostly expected to be "in shape" or "fit".  Women are supposed to be "thin", "gorgeous", "made up", or "always put together".  Those are very different concepts with very different pressures.  I do feel for anyone under the pressure to look how someone else wants them to look instead of how they are meant to look.  Everyone doing the pressuring ought to just mind their own damn business and start filling their lives a little more so that they don't have time to notice and judge someone at the market or where ever for being out of shape or even obese.
 
2014-03-11 02:48:31 AM
This is news?  I was exceptionally skinny my whole life and people would comment on it all the time.  I would have loved to have those six pack abs women seem to drool over, but working out daily never got me there.
 
2014-03-11 02:49:16 AM
With all the He-Man references, I'm surprised there's been no Skeletor. I'm way more built than that guy.
 
2014-03-11 02:49:35 AM

FraggleStickCar: taurusowner: It's never been just for girls. We just happen to live in a time where the idea of manliness still being tied to one's ability to present a callous appearance converges with the sexism pendulum swinging too far in the other direction. It's socially acceptable to care more about problems that females face while ignoring problems that males face, because males have historically been on the top of every socio-political ladder. Females doing poor in college? Emergency. Males doing poor and dropping out? Whatever. Female is sexually harassed by a colleague? Emergency. Male is harassed? Whatever. It's acceptable to give females overt preference in everything from job hiring to family court and no one cares. So of course there is a big social push to try to fix any problems females encounter, such as negative body image. The fact that males encounter the same problems is virtually irrelevant. Males are simply told to toughen up and deal with it.

It's not that males don't have to deal with body image problems too. It's that society as a whole has been conditioned to not give a shiat about male problems.

I almost agree, but I'm detecting a misplaced complex of victimhood.  Maybe that's unfair, though.  Maybe I've just been become jaded by subjecting myself to too much MRA insanity(inanity?) on the internet.

I will throw out an idea, though.  On one hand, there is arguably a problem where men are generally discouraged from being emotional/emotive beings- where they are told to "man up" rather than being shown measures of sympathy for their plight.

On the other hand, issues like "harrassment" or "dropping out of school", etc. are much less of an issue for men because the "double standards" that we all like jerk ourselves off over.  It's a lot easier to swallow being sexually harassed, for example, when your chief value within society lies in things other than heterosexual male sexual pleasure.

i.e. when a man faces a certain issues, the social and cultural co ...


But that attitude is just adding to the problem. There is too much of an "you men had you chance, now we want to be the ones who can act sexist with no repercussions" air to it all. Societal sins are NOT hereditary. I did not own slaves. I did not choose not to hire woman at my non-existent company. I did not campaign against women's rights 100 years ago. So I refuse to be punished and told to stand aside because some other dudes did that stuff before I was even born. Once the people who commit a certain evil act are dead, you don't get to just go after others who look similar to then to vent your rage. The dirty little secret about so many so called champions of equality is that what they really want is revenge. They don't want even privilege, they want the privilege for themselves and a chance to hold others down. That's the only way the double standard attitudes that you just voiced can make sense. If you oppose inequality, oppose inequality. Not just for your side. And certainly not at the expense of others, even if they happen to have the same physical makeup of those who held your ancestors down.

Just once I would love to meet someone who championed gender equality, race equality, etc to actually walk the walk and really go for real equality, not just turning the tables. But that would mean admitting that their own side has plenty of faults that need to be fixed, and that punishing those who look like their past enemies is not just. It would mean giving up on the "have your cake and eat it too" dream. Yes you can have all the good stuff you were denied in the past. No you can't deny that same good stuff to others now because you're angry.  No you don't get to have all the benefits of your new enhanced position while refusing to accept the bad parts or responsibilities that others have had to deal with.   And no you can't pretend that others' problems don't exist just because yours were worse in the past. Case and point, if your response to "men are raped too" isn't immediately "you're right. That's equally terrible and deserves just as much prosecution" you're not getting the point of equality.


If your argument is along the lines of "well your side had it so good for so long, just suck it up while we land a few punches of our own now" you're not really in favor of equality, you just want revenge.
 
2014-03-11 03:01:18 AM
Speaking as a 130 lb man, 6'1, I've never had any sort of problem with my body image or anything else about myself. It's called grow the hell up. Being a man isn't about how you see yourself, it's about what you do.
 
2014-03-11 03:02:27 AM

Abacus9: Speaking as a 130 lb man, 6'1, I've never had any sort of problem with my body image or anything else about myself. It's called grow the hell up. Being a man personisn't about how you see yourself, it's about what you do.


Edited for equality.
 
2014-03-11 03:08:33 AM
Yeah, that was high school. I was taking this creatine shiat and ultimate orange or something. Lifting weights aw yeah I'm going to be a muscle man. Some teens I knew were using steroids and becoming little Hulks. It was stupid, I was scrawny, nothing I was willing to try was going to change that. But a couple years after giving that up and after a couple years of growing, I filled out. And if I don't keep an eye on it, I'll continue too. mmm doughnuts

It was so stupid, and so pointless. But yeah, males have body image problems too.
 
2014-03-11 03:09:21 AM

taurusowner: Abacus9: Speaking as a 130 lb man, 6'1, I've never had any sort of problem with my body image or anything else about myself. It's called grow the hell up. Being a man personisn't about how you see yourself, it's about what you do.

Edited for equality.


And for truth. I was only speaking from my own experience, but I guess I'm also a person.
 
2014-03-11 03:14:13 AM

justaguy516: EdgeRunner: fredbox: taurusowner: It's never been just for girls. We just happen to live in a time where the idea of manliness still being tied to one's ability to present a callous appearance converges with the sexism pendulum swinging too far in the other direction. It's socially acceptable to care more about problems that females face while ignoring problems that males face, because males have historically been on the top of every socio-political ladder. Females doing poor in college? Emergency. Males doing poor and dropping out? Whatever. Female is sexually harassed by a colleague? Emergency. Male is harassed? Whatever. It's acceptable to give females overt preference in everything from job hiring to family court and no one cares. So of course there is a big social push to try to fix any problems females encounter, such as negative body image. The fact that males encounter the same problems is virtually irrelevant. Males are simply told to toughen up and deal with it.

It's not that males don't have to deal with body image problems too. It's that society as a whole has been conditioned to not give a shiat about male problems.

You sound fat privileged oh, fark it, you're right.

Short version: Men with troubles are supposed to man up. Women with troubles have to be rescued, because despite a lot of well-meaning attempts, the phrase "woman up" has never caught on, mostly because no one has ever adequately defined just what gender stereotype it's meant to invoke.

I think the difference is that women with perfectly fine physiques are constantly being criticized for their body shapes. A young boy in equivalent shape doesn't face anything similar.

/Father of a young boy
//Have colleagues with young daughters


Hey, maybe it's society's fault, maybe it's everyone's fault, but a young boy whose shape is the equivalent of a woman with a fine physique is going to attract all kinds of comments.
 
2014-03-11 03:26:01 AM

Abacus9: Speaking as a 130 lb man, 6'1, I've never had any sort of problem with my body image or anything else about myself. It's called grow the hell up. Being a man isn't about how you see yourself, it's about what you do.


Speaking as a 180 lb man, 6'3", I'd love to know your secret. Back when I was 165, my friends kept pointing out I looked like an escaped POW. I don't know how I could have dropped another 30 pounds without cutting off an arm.
 
2014-03-11 03:35:49 AM
At my local gym, I go mainly to play basketball and other organized sports, there are guys there from their teens on up carrying around gallon jugs bags full of powders and vitamins and that work out seven days a week sometimes twice a day according to the staff.

Many of them wearing things that would make the girls that got their workout outfits from playboys gym wear like mild.

If you are not competing for something there is no reason to work out that much except for body image issues
 
2014-03-11 03:36:42 AM

Begoggle: JRinOKC: [img.fark.net image 450x477]

Well He-Man is actually a body image worth looking up to.
A little too much muscle, but still physically in great shape.
Barbie looks like a wraith, with no muscle at all, and no ass or breasts.
Barbie's failure is that straight men don't find her attractive.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-11 03:44:21 AM

Abacus9: Speaking as a 130 lb man, 6'1, I've never had any sort of problem with my body image or anything else about myself. It's called grow the hell up. Being a man isn't about how you see yourself, it's about what you do.


It's good that you have a healthy sense of yourself, but these arguments are always about overarching influences within society.  It isn't black and white, they aren't saying that this will absolutely affect everyone the same way, but there ARE effects from these sorts of pervasive messages and images on the large scape.  Certainly they affect some people more than others, but the fact that you can get past it doesn't make it reasonable to expect that everyone will.  If you have a lot of people becoming anorexic, or taking steroids, or what-have-you, writing it off as "people need to have personal responsibility" doesn't help fix the problem.  We need to understand how our collective social conditioning affects people, and the first step in doing that is to acknowledge that it does affect people.
 
2014-03-11 03:51:34 AM
 
2014-03-11 04:01:07 AM
What evolutionary biology tells us.

Girls: To get a boy to love you, be sexually attractive.

Boys: To get a girl to love you, be sexually attractive, a musician, or rich. In fact skip the first two and just be rich.
 
2014-03-11 04:01:35 AM

bdub77: It's just that these goddamn skinny jeans make me look so damn fat! I just don't get it! BWAAAAHHHHHHHH.


Done in one.

/seriously, there needs to be a ban on skinny jeans
//and stocking caps half worn on a head, especially over 60 degrees
///dumbest fashion trends since the 80s
 
2014-03-11 04:06:37 AM
i.imgur.com

Are women fat-shaming, again?

REAL MEN HAVE CURVES.
 
2014-03-11 04:12:56 AM

WillofJ2: At my local gym, I go mainly to play basketball and other organized sports, there are guys there from their teens on up carrying around gallon jugs bags full of powders and vitamins and that work out seven days a week sometimes twice a day according to the staff.

Many of them wearing things that would make the girls that got their workout outfits from playboys gym wear like mild.

If you are not competing for something there is no reason to work out that much except for body image issues


Maybe they are extras on 300.

Also, lots of people get super ripped for their blogs and make money from becoming personal trainers.

You can make a living being jacked now.
But, you got to learn all the ins and outs by actually trying a lot of supplements and learning all the exercises. Then, some guy with lots of money but not enough time to figure out the ins and outs of bodybuilding will pay you to get results for them.

Criticizing people for going to the gym is like criticizing people going to the library.
 
2014-03-11 04:23:00 AM
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2014-03-11 04:25:14 AM
www.actionfigureinsider.com

Doom Patrol, anyone?
 
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