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(Huffington Post)   Number of uninsured in America drops. THANKS OBAMA   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 94
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2014-03-10 11:55:42 PM  
Latinos are still wary about signing up because they think that their family members who are in the country illegally will be deported.

Thanks, Obama.
 
2014-03-11 12:18:10 AM  
The administration is citing numbers that are far higher than Gallup's: about 4 million people signing up for private coverage, and 9 million for Medicaid.

And Gallup has never once been wrong.
 
2014-03-11 02:34:56 AM  
No one's mentioned acasignups.net yet?
 
2014-03-11 04:31:41 AM  
In before some asshat claims it's because the death panels are working.
 
2014-03-11 04:45:52 AM  
God damn it Obama, stop making the united states better. I just got my Australian citizenship!!
 
2014-03-11 04:47:18 AM  
The drop of 1.2 percentage points in the uninsured rate translates to about 3 million people gaining coverage... Gallup found the biggest drop in the uninsured rate was among households making less than $36,000 a year - a decline of 2.8 percentage points.

I have been assured by GOP supporters here that some jobs don't deserve healthcare (fast food etc.).  They don't seem to understand that they're really saying some people don't deserve healthcare.
 
2014-03-11 05:10:33 AM  

El Pachuco: The drop of 1.2 percentage points in the uninsured rate translates to about 3 million people gaining coverage... Gallup found the biggest drop in the uninsured rate was among households making less than $36,000 a year - a decline of 2.8 percentage points.

I have been assured by GOP supporters here that some jobs don't deserve healthcare (fast food etc.).  They don't seem to understand that they're really saying some people don't deserve healthcare.


I never understood why the GOP had to go off the deep end on their own principles just to oppose the ACA. They had previously been telling us for years that a universal insurance system would drive down costs because of precisely this reason - the costs of the non-insured (not payments) would go down and contain the over all cost of health care. Hell, their own Presidential candidate this last election implemented this system (with a lot of success) when he was Governor.

This is one time where I think the political pundits got it right. The GOP's short sighted tactic of attacking ACA to get a mid-term win, basically destroyed what should have been a massive achievement for their own candidate. It would have been a lot easier sell to America to say, "Let's fix Obamacare" and then point out that Mitt had some success doing something similar, than to just ignore the fact that this had happened entirely.

I mean, really, these guys are farking idiots. It's like they've actually forgotten how to even play at politics anymore.
 
2014-03-11 05:14:36 AM  
The GOP really screwed themselves over on this one, they could have embraced the Romney plan while Obama going with single payer and having a better chance winning the Health care reform debate. But no they went full looney with no alternative plan and Obama using the framework of Romney's Massachusetts plan as the Healthcare reform.

Now history is going to give Obama full credit for giving americans who could not afford it Healthcare while the Republicans will be notoriously known as the party who think that only the privileged should have insurance
 
2014-03-11 05:21:44 AM  

TwistedFark: I mean, really, these guys are farking idiots. It's like they've actually forgotten how to even play at politics anymore.


Don't need to have a good game if you've got gerrymandering (at least for local, State, and House races).
 
2014-03-11 05:27:04 AM  
I'm lucky enough to live in Florida where the sociopaths who run the state have turned down the Medicaid money.

So on my small income the smallest premium I can get through Obamacare is over $300 a month. No way I can afford that. I, along with 900,000 other Floridians am shut out of this whole deal.

Obama did screw us by not trying for a public option to begin with, but I can't fault him for the Republican assholes who turned down the money in Florida.

Now I am just trying to find out if I am still on the hook for the penalty for not buying coverage. It would just be insult to injury to not be able to afford insurance and watch a big part of my tax return get taken away.
 
2014-03-11 05:33:24 AM  

wesmon: I'm lucky enough to live in Florida where the sociopaths who run the state have turned down the Medicaid money.

So on my small income the smallest premium I can get through Obamacare is over $300 a month. No way I can afford that. I, along with 900,000 other Floridians am shut out of this whole deal.

Obama did screw us by not trying for a public option to begin with, but I can't fault him for the Republican assholes who turned down the money in Florida.

Now I am just trying to find out if I am still on the hook for the penalty for not buying coverage. It would just be insult to injury to not be able to afford insurance and watch a big part of my tax return get taken away.


I'm pretty sure I read something about not being fined if the lowest cost for coverage would be more than a certain percent of your income, but I'm not completely certain.
 
2014-03-11 05:37:14 AM  

doloresonthedottedline: wesmon: I'm lucky enough to live in Florida where the sociopaths who run the state have turned down the Medicaid money.

So on my small income the smallest premium I can get through Obamacare is over $300 a month. No way I can afford that. I, along with 900,000 other Floridians am shut out of this whole deal.

Obama did screw us by not trying for a public option to begin with, but I can't fault him for the Republican assholes who turned down the money in Florida.

Now I am just trying to find out if I am still on the hook for the penalty for not buying coverage. It would just be insult to injury to not be able to afford insurance and watch a big part of my tax return get taken away.

I'm pretty sure I read something about not being fined if the lowest cost for coverage would be more than a certain percent of your income, but I'm not completely certain.


That does make sense and I hope you are right.
 
2014-03-11 05:46:03 AM  

wesmon: Now I am just trying to find out if I am still on the hook for the penalty for not buying coverage. It would just be insult to injury to not be able to afford insurance and watch a big part of my tax return get taken away.


You're free and clear.  According to the ACA site you qualify for an exemption if:

You were determined ineligible for Medicaid because your state didn't expand eligibility for Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act.

Also if the lowest priced plan is more than 8% of your income.

https://www.healthcare.gov/exemptions/
 
2014-03-11 05:50:17 AM  
Number of people actually PAYING for said insurance remains the same, however.
 
2014-03-11 05:51:02 AM  

DemonEater: wesmon: Now I am just trying to find out if I am still on the hook for the penalty for not buying coverage. It would just be insult to injury to not be able to afford insurance and watch a big part of my tax return get taken away.

You're free and clear.  According to the ACA site you qualify for an exemption if:

You were determined ineligible for Medicaid because your state didn't expand eligibility for Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act.

Also if the lowest priced plan is more than 8% of your income.

https://www.healthcare.gov/exemptions/


Further, what you need to do is apply for Medicaid through the exchange, get denied, and then send in this form with a copy of the denial notice.
 
2014-03-11 05:56:22 AM  

DemonEater: DemonEater: wesmon: Now I am just trying to find out if I am still on the hook for the penalty for not buying coverage. It would just be insult to injury to not be able to afford insurance and watch a big part of my tax return get taken away.

You're free and clear.  According to the ACA site you qualify for an exemption if:

You were determined ineligible for Medicaid because your state didn't expand eligibility for Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act.

Also if the lowest priced plan is more than 8% of your income.

https://www.healthcare.gov/exemptions/

Further, what you need to do is apply for Medicaid through the exchange, get denied, and then send in this form with a copy of the denial notice.


I have a friend with zero income who is disabled and basically should be on SSI with Medicaid but doesn't function enough to even apply. If the fine is through taxes and all that, would he even really need to apply for an exemption?

/so many things wrong with that question
//and the situation in general
///fark virginia for not expanding medicaid
 
2014-03-11 05:58:39 AM  
Because having an insurance plan is a goal, and not a means to one.
 
2014-03-11 06:02:30 AM  

doloresonthedottedline: I have a friend with zero income who is disabled and basically should be on SSI with Medicaid but doesn't function enough to even apply. If the fine is through taxes and all that, would he even really need to apply for an exemption?


Zero income means you don't have to do anything at all.  You only have to worry about it if you make over the federal tax filing threshold of ~$10k a year.

How is he not on crazy disability stuff, what does "not functioning enough to apply" mean?  Can somebody not apply for him?
 
2014-03-11 06:23:01 AM  
DemonEater: DemonEater: wesmon: Now I am just trying to find out if I am still on the hook for the penalty for not buying coverage. It would just be insult to injury to not be able to afford insurance and watch a big part of my tax return get taken away.

You're free and clear.  According to the ACA site you qualify for an exemption if:

You were determined ineligible for Medicaid because your state didn't expand eligibility for Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act.

Also if the lowest priced plan is more than 8% of your income.

https://www.healthcare.gov/exemptions/

Further, what you need to do is apply for Medicaid through the exchange, get denied, and then send in this form with a copy of the denial notice.


 Are you an Obamacare facilitator?

If not you should be. Thanks for the pointers.
 
2014-03-11 06:26:38 AM  

SevenizGud: Number of people actually PAYING for said insurance remains the same, however.


This seems to be the new talking point from the Potato Party...

OK, people are signing up, even though we said they wouldn't, but they're not paying for it!"


Keep moving those goal posts, dumbass.
 
2014-03-11 06:28:37 AM  

DemonEater: doloresonthedottedline: I have a friend with zero income who is disabled and basically should be on SSI with Medicaid but doesn't function enough to even apply. If the fine is through taxes and all that, would he even really need to apply for an exemption?

Zero income means you don't have to do anything at all.  You only have to worry about it if you make over the federal tax filing threshold of ~$10k a year.

How is he not on crazy disability stuff, what does "not functioning enough to apply" mean?  Can somebody not apply for him?


He lives with his father who he takes care of. He has severe agoraphobia, a very unsupportive/horrible family, and the only friends he lives kind of near are libertarian "WTF MAN BOOTSTRAPS" types who just don't get it. I know a lot of people who've dealt with mental illness and I've never known anyone with depression and agoraphobia this bad. He'll go days without eating if someone is there to visit his dad because he doesn't want to risk running into someone in the kitchen. I can't even get him to consider going to a local clinic to try medication because he "doesn't deserve it" and he can't see how things could ever be better. I honestly have no idea what to do for him. I don't know if there's any government services I could even contact to intervene until/unless he becomes homeless or something.

Really can't even begin to convey how bad off he is. I have no idea what to do. It seems like there should be something, someone, that could legally intervene for someone who truly is in no shape to take care of themselves. But he isn't a danger to himself or others. So, as far as I know, there isn't.
 
2014-03-11 06:38:04 AM  

wesmon: I'm lucky enough to live in Florida where the sociopaths who run the state have turned down the Medicaid money.

So on my small income the smallest premium I can get through Obamacare is over $300 a month. No way I can afford that. I, along with 900,000 other Floridians am shut out of this whole deal.

Obama did screw us by not trying for a public option to begin with, but I can't fault him for the Republican assholes who turned down the money in Florida.

Now I am just trying to find out if I am still on the hook for the penalty for not buying coverage. It would just be insult to injury to not be able to afford insurance and watch a big part of my tax return get taken away.


http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/the-best-life/2012/07/13/how-the -h ealth-insurance-mandate-penalty-will-work
Note, these figures are for paying in the following year, so you'll pay $95 in 2015 for 2014 taxes.

In 2014, the annual penalty will be $95 per adult and $47.50 per child, up to a family maximum of $285 or 1 percent of family income, whichever is greater.
In 2015, the penalty will be $325 per adult and $162.50 per child, up to a family maximum of $975 or 2 percent of family income, whichever is greater.
In 2016, the penalty will be $695 per adult and $347.50 per child, up to a family maximum of $2,085 or 2.5 percent of family income, whichever is greater.
 
2014-03-11 06:39:03 AM  

wesmon: Are you an Obamacare facilitator?

If not you should be. Thanks for the pointers.


I'm just a man with Google.
 
2014-03-11 06:45:35 AM  

MindStalker: http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/the-best-life/2012/07/13/how-the -h ealth-insurance-mandate-penalty-will-work
Note, these figures are for paying in the following year, so you'll pay $95 in 2015 for 2014 taxes.

In 2014, the annual penalty will be $95 per adult and $47.50 per child, up to a family maximum of $285 or 1 percent of family income, whichever is greater.
In 2015, the penalty will be $325 per adult and $162.50 per child, up to a family maximum of $975 or 2 percent of family income, whichever is greater.
In 2016, the penalty will be $695 per adult and $347.50 per child, up to a family maximum of $2,085 or 2.5 percent of family income, whichever is greater.


Correct, but there are a bunch of exemptions.  If you can't afford coverage, and you don't qualify for subsidies, then you *should* qualify for Medicare.  If Medicare wasn't expanded in your state, you can get an exemption.  Likewise there's an exemption if the cheapest available plan is more than 8% of your income.

The only people who should end up actually paying the penalty are people who can afford insurance but choose not to buy it, anyone who's poor enough that they can't get coverage will either get medicaid or will qualify for an exemption.
 
2014-03-11 06:53:49 AM  

DemonEater: The only people who should end up actually paying the penalty are people who can afford insurance but choose not to buy it, anyone who's poor enough that they can't get coverage will either get medicaid or will qualify for an exemption.


That's exactly how it worked here in MA with MAHealth... The only people paying the penalty were folks who had the means to buy a plan but didn't. Even if you were poor and didn't apply for Medicaid you would be enrolled in it by the hospital if you found yourself being treated in an ER or clinic.

That what happened with my crazy brother in law... Guy didn't have a pot to piss in, no job, but he's swallowed the libertarian/conservative bullshiat hook, lie and sinker. He was actually pissed off when the ER enrolled him in Medicaid after he had a mild heart attack. He still wont use the insurance to pay for his medication, choosing not to take it because he "can't afford it".


You can lead an asshole to water, but you can't make him drink it, I guess... : /
 
2014-03-11 07:10:28 AM  
More liberal-biased media lies for Fart0bongo. My monthly premiums went from $10 with a deductible of $100 to $8,937.56 per month with a one Trillion dollar deductible and Oblameocare raped my cat.
 
2014-03-11 07:14:23 AM  

keylock71: That what happened with my crazy brother in law... Guy didn't have a pot to piss in, no job, but he's swallowed the libertarian/conservative bullshiat hook, lie and sinker. He was actually pissed off when the ER enrolled him in Medicaid after he had a mild heart attack. He still wont use the insurance to pay for his medication, choosing not to take it because he "can't afford it".


"I'd rather die than have the gubmint help me" is a pretty radical point of view.

I know he's married to your sister and all, but I can't help thinking that sometimes these problems are self-solving.
 
2014-03-11 07:15:20 AM  

doloresonthedottedline: DemonEater: doloresonthedottedline: I have a friend with zero income who is disabled and basically should be on SSI with Medicaid but doesn't function enough to even apply. If the fine is through taxes and all that, would he even really need to apply for an exemption?

Zero income means you don't have to do anything at all.  You only have to worry about it if you make over the federal tax filing threshold of ~$10k a year.

How is he not on crazy disability stuff, what does "not functioning enough to apply" mean?  Can somebody not apply for him?

He lives with his father who he takes care of. He has severe agoraphobia, a very unsupportive/horrible family, and the only friends he lives kind of near are libertarian "WTF MAN BOOTSTRAPS" types who just don't get it. I know a lot of people who've dealt with mental illness and I've never known anyone with depression and agoraphobia this bad. He'll go days without eating if someone is there to visit his dad because he doesn't want to risk running into someone in the kitchen. I can't even get him to consider going to a local clinic to try medication because he "doesn't deserve it" and he can't see how things could ever be better. I honestly have no idea what to do for him. I don't know if there's any government services I could even contact to intervene until/unless he becomes homeless or something.

Really can't even begin to convey how bad off he is. I have no idea what to do. It seems like there should be something, someone, that could legally intervene for someone who truly is in no shape to take care of themselves. But he isn't a danger to himself or others. So, as far as I know, there isn't.


Jesus that's terrible. I hope he gets some help.
 
2014-03-11 07:17:35 AM  

HooskerDoo: More liberal-biased media lies for Fart0bongo. My monthly premiums went from $10 with a deductible of $100 to $8,937.56 per month with a one Trillion dollar deductible and Oblameocare raped my cat.


But due to new health regulations it did wear a condom.
 
2014-03-11 07:18:08 AM  

doloresonthedottedline: DemonEater: doloresonthedottedline: I have a friend with zero income who is disabled and basically should be on SSI with Medicaid but doesn't function enough to even apply. If the fine is through taxes and all that, would he even really need to apply for an exemption?

Zero income means you don't have to do anything at all.  You only have to worry about it if you make over the federal tax filing threshold of ~$10k a year.

How is he not on crazy disability stuff, what does "not functioning enough to apply" mean?  Can somebody not apply for him?

He lives with his father who he takes care of. He has severe agoraphobia, a very unsupportive/horrible family, and the only friends he lives kind of near are libertarian "WTF MAN BOOTSTRAPS" types who just don't get it. I know a lot of people who've dealt with mental illness and I've never known anyone with depression and agoraphobia this bad. He'll go days without eating if someone is there to visit his dad because he doesn't want to risk running into someone in the kitchen. I can't even get him to consider going to a local clinic to try medication because he "doesn't deserve it" and he can't see how things could ever be better. I honestly have no idea what to do for him. I don't know if there's any government services I could even contact to intervene until/unless he becomes homeless or something.

Really can't even begin to convey how bad off he is. I have no idea what to do. It seems like there should be something, someone, that could legally intervene for someone who truly is in no shape to take care of themselves. But he isn't a danger to himself or others. So, as far as I know, there isn't.


What an awful situation. There are many mental health outreach programs that might be able to help. If you feel up to it, you might try contacting Virginia's Dept of Medical Assistance Services. They have a branch that concentrates on behavioral health but he would have to be willing to work with them. I don't know about VA, but many states have people who will come to a person's home to assess them and assist them moving forward. It might be worth a shot anyway:

Department of Medical Assistance Services
Attn: Director's Office
600 East Broad Street
Richmond, VA
23219
 
2014-03-11 07:18:59 AM  

TwistedFark: God damn it Obama, stop making the united states better. I just got my Australian citizenship!!


Know who else was from there? That's right. Hitler.
 
2014-03-11 07:19:44 AM  

HooskerDoo: More liberal-biased media lies for Fart0bongo. My monthly premiums went from $10 with a deductible of $100 to $8,937.56 per month with a one Trillion dollar deductible and Oblameocare raped my cat.


We need to get more facts like these out into the public eye. The disinformation campaign by the thugbama administration can't be allowed to keep putting these jack booted lying actors out there that keep getting discredited. It's hurting the cause. Please sir, take your story to the people
 
2014-03-11 07:21:54 AM  

Fubar: HooskerDoo: More liberal-biased media lies for Fart0bongo. My monthly premiums went from $10 with a deductible of $100 to $8,937.56 per month with a one Trillion dollar deductible and Oblameocare raped my cat.

We need to get more facts like these out into the public eye. The disinformation campaign by the thugbama administration can't be allowed to keep putting these jack booted lying actors out there that keep getting discredited. It's hurting the cause. Please sir, take your story to the people


I will post it on my Tea Party blog: crazyasashiathouserat.com
 
2014-03-11 07:23:56 AM  

ginandbacon: doloresonthedottedline: DemonEater: doloresonthedottedline: I have a friend with zero income who is disabled and basically should be on SSI with Medicaid but doesn't function enough to even apply. If the fine is through taxes and all that, would he even really need to apply for an exemption?

Zero income means you don't have to do anything at all.  You only have to worry about it if you make over the federal tax filing threshold of ~$10k a year.

How is he not on crazy disability stuff, what does "not functioning enough to apply" mean?  Can somebody not apply for him?

He lives with his father who he takes care of. He has severe agoraphobia, a very unsupportive/horrible family, and the only friends he lives kind of near are libertarian "WTF MAN BOOTSTRAPS" types who just don't get it. I know a lot of people who've dealt with mental illness and I've never known anyone with depression and agoraphobia this bad. He'll go days without eating if someone is there to visit his dad because he doesn't want to risk running into someone in the kitchen. I can't even get him to consider going to a local clinic to try medication because he "doesn't deserve it" and he can't see how things could ever be better. I honestly have no idea what to do for him. I don't know if there's any government services I could even contact to intervene until/unless he becomes homeless or something.

Really can't even begin to convey how bad off he is. I have no idea what to do. It seems like there should be something, someone, that could legally intervene for someone who truly is in no shape to take care of themselves. But he isn't a danger to himself or others. So, as far as I know, there isn't.

What an awful situation. There are many mental health outreach programs that might be able to help. If you feel up to it, you might try contacting Virginia's Dept of Medical Assistance Services. They have a branch that concentrates on behavioral health but he would have to be willing to work with them. I do ...


The phone number might be helpful, sorry: (804) 786-7933
 
2014-03-11 07:24:25 AM  

ginandbacon: doloresonthedottedline: DemonEater: doloresonthedottedline: I have a friend with zero income who is disabled and basically should be on SSI with Medicaid but doesn't function enough to even apply. If the fine is through taxes and all that, would he even really need to apply for an exemption?

Zero income means you don't have to do anything at all.  You only have to worry about it if you make over the federal tax filing threshold of ~$10k a year.

How is he not on crazy disability stuff, what does "not functioning enough to apply" mean?  Can somebody not apply for him?

He lives with his father who he takes care of. He has severe agoraphobia, a very unsupportive/horrible family, and the only friends he lives kind of near are libertarian "WTF MAN BOOTSTRAPS" types who just don't get it. I know a lot of people who've dealt with mental illness and I've never known anyone with depression and agoraphobia this bad. He'll go days without eating if someone is there to visit his dad because he doesn't want to risk running into someone in the kitchen. I can't even get him to consider going to a local clinic to try medication because he "doesn't deserve it" and he can't see how things could ever be better. I honestly have no idea what to do for him. I don't know if there's any government services I could even contact to intervene until/unless he becomes homeless or something.

Really can't even begin to convey how bad off he is. I have no idea what to do. It seems like there should be something, someone, that could legally intervene for someone who truly is in no shape to take care of themselves. But he isn't a danger to himself or others. So, as far as I know, there isn't.

What an awful situation. There are many mental health outreach programs that might be able to help. If you feel up to it, you might try contacting Virginia's Dept of Medical Assistance Services. They have a branch that concentrates on behavioral health but he would have to be willing to work with them. I do ...




Thank you! I'll give it a shot. Having a place to start helps a lot.
 
2014-03-11 07:25:59 AM  

HooskerDoo: Fubar: HooskerDoo: More liberal-biased media lies for Fart0bongo. My monthly premiums went from $10 with a deductible of $100 to $8,937.56 per month with a one Trillion dollar deductible and Oblameocare raped my cat.

We need to get more facts like these out into the public eye. The disinformation campaign by the thugbama administration can't be allowed to keep putting these jack booted lying actors out there that keep getting discredited. It's hurting the cause. Please sir, take your story to the people

I will post it on my Tea Party blog: crazyasashiathouserat.com


I'd go a little further. I find that a nice handwritten sign on a stick really conveys the heartfelt honesty of your statement. The people really make a connection with those. Plus, the NSA can't automatically document your actions.
 
2014-03-11 07:27:50 AM  

Fubar: HooskerDoo: Fubar: HooskerDoo: More liberal-biased media lies for Fart0bongo. My monthly premiums went from $10 with a deductible of $100 to $8,937.56 per month with a one Trillion dollar deductible and Oblameocare raped my cat.

We need to get more facts like these out into the public eye. The disinformation campaign by the thugbama administration can't be allowed to keep putting these jack booted lying actors out there that keep getting discredited. It's hurting the cause. Please sir, take your story to the people

I will post it on my Tea Party blog: crazyasashiathouserat.com

I'd go a little further. I find that a nice handwritten sign on a stick really conveys the heartfelt honesty of your statement. The people really make a connection with those. Plus, the NSA can't automatically document your actions.


And you can pay for it in gold instead of that funny money.
 
2014-03-11 07:28:24 AM  

bdub77: The administration is citing numbers that are far higher than Gallup's: about 4 million people signing up for private coverage, and 9 million for Medicaid.

And Gallup has never once been wrong.


So instead we should implicitly trust what the government tells us, right? Because no administration would ever use dubious figures to exaggerate their achievements, would they?
 
2014-03-11 07:28:34 AM  
It wasn't all that hard because the US started with lots of uninsured people to begin with.
If we had left the Republicans in charge, only those making over 50k would have insurance.
 
2014-03-11 07:31:20 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: Fubar: HooskerDoo: Fubar: HooskerDoo: More liberal-biased media lies for Fart0bongo. My monthly premiums went from $10 with a deductible of $100 to $8,937.56 per month with a one Trillion dollar deductible and Oblameocare raped my cat.

We need to get more facts like these out into the public eye. The disinformation campaign by the thugbama administration can't be allowed to keep putting these jack booted lying actors out there that keep getting discredited. It's hurting the cause. Please sir, take your story to the people

I will post it on my Tea Party blog: crazyasashiathouserat.com

I'd go a little further. I find that a nice handwritten sign on a stick really conveys the heartfelt honesty of your statement. The people really make a connection with those. Plus, the NSA can't automatically document your actions.

And you can pay for it in gold instead of that funny money.


Make sure you purchase the supplies at a real American business, such as hobby lobby. I've heard that Michaels is just a front for planned parenthood.
 
2014-03-11 07:35:21 AM  

doloresonthedottedline: Thank you! I'll give it a shot. Having a place to start helps a lot.


You're a really good friend.
 
2014-03-11 07:37:45 AM  

The Numbers: bdub77: The administration is citing numbers that are far higher than Gallup's: about 4 million people signing up for private coverage, and 9 million for Medicaid.

And Gallup has never once been wrong.

So instead we should implicitly trust what the government tells us, right? Because no administration would ever use dubious figures to exaggerate their achievements, would they?


Yes that's exactly what he was implying, and you are in no way overreacting in a butthurt fashion.
 
2014-03-11 07:37:55 AM  

The Numbers: bdub77: The administration is citing numbers that are far higher than Gallup's: about 4 million people signing up for private coverage, and 9 million for Medicaid.

And Gallup has never once been wrong.

So instead we should implicitly trust what the government tells us, right? Because no administration would ever use dubious figures to exaggerate their achievements, would they?


I prefer unskewed numbers myself.
 
2014-03-11 07:45:45 AM  
After hearing the rightwing nutcase who runs Gallup interviewed a couple of times I am inclined to believe nothing from them. Their 2012 polls were a joke.
 
2014-03-11 07:49:17 AM  

Fubar: Shakin_Haitian: Fubar: HooskerDoo: Fubar: HooskerDoo: More liberal-biased media lies for Fart0bongo. My monthly premiums went from $10 with a deductible of $100 to $8,937.56 per month with a one Trillion dollar deductible and Oblameocare raped my cat.

We need to get more facts like these out into the public eye. The disinformation campaign by the thugbama administration can't be allowed to keep putting these jack booted lying actors out there that keep getting discredited. It's hurting the cause. Please sir, take your story to the people

I will post it on my Tea Party blog: crazyasashiathouserat.com

I'd go a little further. I find that a nice handwritten sign on a stick really conveys the heartfelt honesty of your statement. The people really make a connection with those. Plus, the NSA can't automatically document your actions.

And you can pay for it in gold instead of that funny money.

Make sure you purchase the supplies at a real American business, such as hobby lobby. I've heard that Michaels is just a front for planned parenthood.


I'll stop and get a Hatewich™ from Chik-Fil-a, too!
 
2014-03-11 07:53:05 AM  

wesmon: I'm lucky enough to live in Florida where the sociopaths who run the state have turned down the Medicaid money.

So on my small income the smallest premium I can get through Obamacare is over $300 a month. No way I can afford that. I, along with 900,000 other Floridians am shut out of this whole deal.

Obama did screw us by not trying for a public option to begin with, but I can't fault him for the Republican assholes who turned down the money in Florida.

Now I am just trying to find out if I am still on the hook for the penalty for not buying coverage. It would just be insult to injury to not be able to afford insurance and watch a big part of my tax return get taken away.


Same here, in Texas. I am somewhat comforted by the idea that the GOPers in States that turned down Medicaid expansion are going to probably not be re-elected when we see how it could have been from states that actually did choose to expand medicaid, choosing not to shaft their own citizens who just want to be able to afford healthcare.

/I make just enough to not qualify for much of a tax break under ACA, the cheapest plan I can get that will actually do me any good will cost 205 a month, and I make just enough that I will probably lose most or all of my tax return next year because of the penalty.
 
2014-03-11 07:54:28 AM  

DemonEater: keylock71: That what happened with my crazy brother in law... Guy didn't have a pot to piss in, no job, but he's swallowed the libertarian/conservative bullshiat hook, lie and sinker. He was actually pissed off when the ER enrolled him in Medicaid after he had a mild heart attack. He still wont use the insurance to pay for his medication, choosing not to take it because he "can't afford it".

"I'd rather die than have the gubmint help me" is a pretty radical point of view.

I know he's married to your sister and all, but I can't help thinking that sometimes these problems are self-solving.


Our contacts with him have become increasingly fewer. There's definitely some mental issues with the guy. I do hope he gets the help he needs, but my wife and I are done trying, unfortunately.
 
2014-03-11 07:55:13 AM  

wesmon: I'm lucky enough to live in Florida where the sociopaths who run the state have turned down the Medicaid money.

So on my small income the smallest premium I can get through Obamacare is over $300 a month. No way I can afford that. I, along with 900,000 other Floridians am shut out of this whole deal.

Obama did screw us by not trying for a public option to begin with, but I can't fault him for the Republican assholes who turned down the money in Florida.

Now I am just trying to find out if I am still on the hook for the penalty for not buying coverage. It would just be insult to injury to not be able to afford insurance and watch a big part of my tax return get taken away.


I'm guessing that you are a US citizen?  My step-daughter is a resident alien with a low income, too high for Medicaid, but too low to afford that $300 per month plan you are talking about.

The cool thing is that because aliens do not qualify for Medicaid, except under special circumstances, they are exempt from the decision to not expand Medicaid in FL.  As a result she gets the full subsidy even though her income is at a level which would normally exempt her from it and automatically qualify her for Medicaid (which Rick Scott and his ilk blocked). You, on the other hand, get screwed.

If only we had a President who put the needs of citizens before those of aliens!  But what do you expect from a Mooslim, soshilist, usurper!
 
2014-03-11 08:03:14 AM  

Turbo Cojones: wesmon: I'm lucky enough to live in Florida where the sociopaths who run the state have turned down the Medicaid money.

So on my small income the smallest premium I can get through Obamacare is over $300 a month. No way I can afford that. I, along with 900,000 other Floridians am shut out of this whole deal.

Obama did screw us by not trying for a public option to begin with, but I can't fault him for the Republican assholes who turned down the money in Florida.

Now I am just trying to find out if I am still on the hook for the penalty for not buying coverage. It would just be insult to injury to not be able to afford insurance and watch a big part of my tax return get taken away.

I'm guessing that you are a US citizen?  My step-daughter is a resident alien with a low income, too high for Medicaid, but too low to afford that $300 per month plan you are talking about.

The cool thing is that because aliens do not qualify for Medicaid, except under special circumstances, they are exempt from the decision to not expand Medicaid in FL.  As a result she gets the full subsidy even though her income is at a level which would normally exempt her from it and automatically qualify her for Medicaid (which Rick Scott and his ilk blocked). You, on the other hand, get screwed.

If only we had a President who put the needs of citizens before those of aliens!  But what do you expect from a Mooslim, soshilist, usurper!


So Republicans made sure that immigrants get insurance over citizens?

Wow.
 
2014-03-11 08:11:40 AM  
I'm an old lady from a television commercial, and my insurance was cancelled, even though Obama personally assured me that I could keep my plan.  Please call my state senator and tell her I'm depressed.
 
2014-03-11 08:14:26 AM  

SevenizGud: Number of people actually PAYING for said insurance remains the same, however.


Because we haven't spent years subsidizing care for the uninsured, right?

A few years ago, a friend who worked at WakeMed said the hospital's budget anticipated only being able to collect 2/3 of money owed for emergency room visits.  Who do you think they pass that cost on to?
 
2014-03-11 08:19:07 AM  
No one has mentioned that it only dropped the percent of uninsured by 1.2 and thus is a complete failure that must be repealed and furthermore potato
 
2014-03-11 08:21:13 AM  
Union: Obamacare will slash wages by up to $5 an hour

Taylor and other union leaders have criticized Obamacare before.

Unite Here's document charges that the administration is putting union health care into a "death spiral." It endorsed criticism that employers will move workers to part-time status to avoid the requirement that those working 30 hours or more a week be provided health insurance -- or else the company pays a penalty. And it says the Affordable Care Act will shift workers from union insurance to the more expensive Obamacare health exchanges, costing them up to half of their pay to cover premiums.

He quoted a Senate aide saying, "Labor needs to regress to the mean." Said Taylor: "In other words, roll back what you have and take one for the team. Ironic, given that Congress and the president carved out an exemption for staffers on the ACA. We cannot sit idly by as the politicians carve up our health plans while they carve out exceptions for themselves and every special interest feeding at the trough in Washington."
 
2014-03-11 08:23:31 AM  
"Not only can I not respond on the substance of the article, and therefore must post something unrelated, but I must do it in several threads."
 
2014-03-11 08:33:13 AM  

jaggspb: No one has mentioned that it only dropped the percent of uninsured by 1.2 and thus is a complete failure that must be repealed and furthermore potato


Well a 1.2% drop it certainly justifies the the massive bureaucracy, government power grab and  invasion into the lives of all Americans to reduce the 15% with out insurance to 13.8% when it was supposed to reduce to 0%- VICTORY.
 
2014-03-11 08:34:59 AM  

LasersHurt: "Not only can I not respond on the substance of the article, and therefore must post something unrelated, but I must do it in several threads."


"But just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they're a troll!"
 
2014-03-11 08:35:13 AM  

wesmon: I'm lucky enough to live in Florida where the sociopaths who run the state have turned down the Medicaid money.

So on my small income the smallest premium I can get through Obamacare is over $300 a month. No way I can afford that. I, along with 900,000 other Floridians am shut out of this whole deal.

Obama did screw us by not trying for a public option to begin with, but I can't fault him for the Republican assholes who turned down the money in Florida.

Now I am just trying to find out if I am still on the hook for the penalty for not buying coverage. It would just be insult to injury to not be able to afford insurance and watch a big part of my tax return get taken away.


Well, according to Harry Reid, you are a liar since all negative stories about the ACA are lies.
 
2014-03-11 08:35:27 AM  

hasty ambush: government power grab and  invasion into the lives of all Americans


It's like you believe that you can just keep saying things willy nilly

Tell me about the throat stuffing again
 
2014-03-11 08:36:35 AM  
Well of course more people are insured.  If there weren't then the ACA would be an absolute failure from the start.  The law requires you to have insurance.
 
2014-03-11 08:47:23 AM  

wesmon: I'm lucky enough to live in Florida where the sociopaths who run the state have turned down the Medicaid money.

So on my small income the smallest premium I can get through Obamacare is over $300 a month. No way I can afford that. I, along with 900,000 other Floridians am shut out of this whole deal.

Obama did screw us by not trying for a public option to begin with, but I can't fault him for the Republican assholes who turned down the money in Florida.

Now I am just trying to find out if I am still on the hook for the penalty for not buying coverage. It would just be insult to injury to not be able to afford insurance and watch a big part of my tax return get taken away.


He and the democrats did begin by proposing a public option. Guess who opposed that?
 
2014-03-11 08:53:38 AM  

hasty ambush: jaggspb: No one has mentioned that it only dropped the percent of uninsured by 1.2 and thus is a complete failure that must be repealed and furthermore potato

Well a 1.2% drop it certainly justifies the the massive bureaucracy, government power grab and  invasion into the lives of all Americans to reduce the 15% with out insurance to 13.8% when it was supposed to reduce to 0%- VICTORY.


Yoda - That is why you fail.
 
2014-03-11 08:55:22 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Well, according to Harry Reid, you are a liar since all negative stories about the ACA are lies.


It's hard to classify that as a negative ACA story.

Before the ACA:  He had no insurance
After the ACA:  He should have had Medicaid
Twist: A Republican governor denied him his chance for Medicaid
Net result: He is neither better nor worse off than he started, except now he's pissed at Republicans.
 
2014-03-11 08:58:49 AM  
I have mixed feelings about this.  On the one hand, more people have coverage.  On the other hand, most of that is due to an expansion of Medicaid, which is poorly run, poorly funded, and by the government's own assessments rife with fraud.

I believe it was a huge mistake to expand Medicaid in the ACA, because:

1) Of the four separate healthcare systems in the US, why expand the one that works the worst?
2) By relying on Medicaid, the ACA relies on state support, but...
3) ... the states that need the expansion the most can't afford the additional strain on their budget

Since the ACA is reliant on Medicaid, it will not work well because Medicaid itself doesn't work well.  But there has been no appetite for fixing Medicaid.   It's a shame because the ACA was the perfect time to do it.

If the ACA had added a 100% subsidy band instead of expanded Medicaid, these people would be receiving subsidized insurance through the exchanges, with the subsidies paid for by the Feds.  They'd get better insurance and there would be no additional burden on the states.

If Congress had wanted to go further, they could have pumped all current Medicaid recipients through the exchanges, and restructured Medicaid from the current "separate but equal" healthcare system to a program to picks up the copay & coinsurance for the poor.   For those recipients that want to remain on a public program, Medicare could have been offered on the exchanges.  We don't need a new public healthcare system, we have three already (Medicare, Medicaid, and TriCare).  Medicare is the easiest to expand.

But no, we chose to expand Medicaid instead, and we'll blame the victims (the states) for the inevitable implementation issues & in many cases outright rejection of the expansion.
 
2014-03-11 09:03:06 AM  

hasty ambush: ell a 1.2% drop it certainly justifies the the massive bureaucracy, government power grab and  invasion into the lives of all Americans to reduce the 15% with out insurance to 13.8% when it was supposed to reduce to 0%- VICTORY.


Remember kids, the government shouldn't invade the lives of any American, ever! Unless they're gay, or want/need an abortion, or they're not Christian, or they're on welfare, or they want to pull-the-plug...
 
2014-03-11 09:05:13 AM  

The Numbers: bdub77: The administration is citing numbers that are far higher than Gallup's: about 4 million people signing up for private coverage, and 9 million for Medicaid.

And Gallup has never once been wrong.

So instead we should implicitly trust what the government tells us, right? Because no administration would ever use dubious figures to exaggerate their achievements, would they?


Boom. Mission Accomplished.
 
2014-03-11 09:05:35 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: Turbo Cojones:

So Republicans made sure that immigrants get insurance over citizens?

Wow.


I'm guessing that it was just an unintended consequence of their continuing vendetta against the poors.

If they were aware of the Resident Alien loop-hole prior to their plan to block Medicaid expansion, then they probably just figured that the farking beaners are too damn stupid or afraid to actually apply for, and receive benefits under the ACA especially since the only info disseminated is coming from community organizers.

/Lisensed Agent and "guide" who gets no commission on ACA sales so I'm getting a kick.....
 
2014-03-11 09:05:45 AM  

DemonEater: Tricky Chicken: Well, according to Harry Reid, you are a liar since all negative stories about the ACA are lies.

It's hard to classify that as a negative ACA story.

Before the ACA:  He had no insurance
After the ACA:  He should have had Medicaid
Twist: A Republican governor denied him his chance for Medicaid
Net result: He is neither better nor worse off than he started, except now he's pissed at Republicans.


Before ACA he had no insurance
With ACA he is required to have insurance, but because republicans turned down expansion, he can't afford it.  Now he is liable for a penalty that increases year over year unless he jumps through hoops and files for an exemption. This guy now knows of his exemption, and I hope that every single other person that ends up in the same situation finds out about that exemption, and fills out their paperwork properly.  So you know they can continue to not have insurance.
 
2014-03-11 09:11:12 AM  

The Numbers: bdub77: The administration is citing numbers that are far higher than Gallup's: about 4 million people signing up for private coverage, and 9 million for Medicaid.

And Gallup has never once been wrong.

So instead we should implicitly trust what the government tells us, right? Because no administration would ever use dubious figures to exaggerate their achievements, would they?


You know, for all the fear you have regarding the government, you might want to take a look at corporations.  Government needs your votes.  Corporations don't need your money, they can get it with or without your permission.
 
2014-03-11 09:12:45 AM  

Tricky Chicken: DemonEater: Tricky Chicken: Well, according to Harry Reid, you are a liar since all negative stories about the ACA are lies.

It's hard to classify that as a negative ACA story.

Before the ACA:  He had no insurance
After the ACA:  He should have had Medicaid
Twist: A Republican governor denied him his chance for Medicaid
Net result: He is neither better nor worse off than he started, except now he's pissed at Republicans.

Before ACA he had no insurance
With ACA he is required to have insurance, but because republicans turned down expansion, he can't afford it.  Now he is liable for a penalty that increases year over year unless he jumps through hoops and files for an exemption. This guy now knows of his exemption, and I hope that every single other person that ends up in the same situation finds out about that exemption, and fills out their paperwork properly.  So you know they can continue to not have insurance.


Governor Asshole is up for re-election, and his prospects look pretty bleak so that's the end of it there.
 
2014-03-11 09:13:31 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Before ACA he had no insurance
With ACA he is required to have insurance, but because republicans turned down expansion, he can't afford it. Now he is liable for a penalty that increases year over year unless he jumps through hoops and files for an exemption. This guy now knows of his exemption, and I hope that every single other person that ends up in the same situation finds out about that exemption, and fills out their paperwork properly. So you know they can continue to not have insurance.


So you agree with me, we should go single-payer - then he'd get health care AND not have to jump through any hoops.
 
2014-03-11 09:14:23 AM  

A Cave Geek: You know, for all the fear you have regarding the government, you might want to take a look at corporations. Government needs your votes. Corporations don't need your money, they can get it with or without your permission.


Government needs your votes or a solid contract with Diebold.
 
2014-03-11 09:27:57 AM  

DemonEater: Tricky Chicken: Before ACA he had no insurance
With ACA he is required to have insurance, but because republicans turned down expansion, he can't afford it. Now he is liable for a penalty that increases year over year unless he jumps through hoops and files for an exemption. This guy now knows of his exemption, and I hope that every single other person that ends up in the same situation finds out about that exemption, and fills out their paperwork properly. So you know they can continue to not have insurance.

So you agree with me, we should go single-payer - then he'd get health care AND not have to jump through any hoops.


Well, yeah. But I think ACA will get in the way.
 
2014-03-11 09:42:31 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Well, yeah. But I think ACA will get in the way.


I think it's a first step.  See how hard the right is fighting this patchwork corporate giveaway (calling it socialized medicine, even!), there's no WAY that actual single-payer would go through anytime soon.

But with a stopgap like the ACA, some people get health care in the meantime, and then addressing the problems with it migrates us slowly towards single-payer until it's more palatable.
 
2014-03-11 09:43:14 AM  

numb3r5ev3n: wesmon: I'm lucky enough to live in Florida where the sociopaths who run the state have turned down the Medicaid money.

So on my small income the smallest premium I can get through Obamacare is over $300 a month. No way I can afford that. I, along with 900,000 other Floridians am shut out of this whole deal.

Obama did screw us by not trying for a public option to begin with, but I can't fault him for the Republican assholes who turned down the money in Florida.

Now I am just trying to find out if I am still on the hook for the penalty for not buying coverage. It would just be insult to injury to not be able to afford insurance and watch a big part of my tax return get taken away.

Same here, in Texas. I am somewhat comforted by the idea that the GOPers in States that turned down Medicaid expansion are going to probably not be re-elected when we see how it could have been from states that actually did choose to expand medicaid, choosing not to shaft their own citizens who just want to be able to afford healthcare.

/I make just enough to not qualify for much of a tax break under ACA, the cheapest plan I can get that will actually do me any good will cost 205 a month, and I make just enough that I will probably lose most or all of my tax return next year because of the penalty.


One can hope but then they have even crazier Tea Party derpers running against them in some places but I always hold out hope.

/the lawn signs I saw before the primary that said "John Cornyn funded Obamacare" did not actually give me hope.
 
2014-03-11 09:43:19 AM  

LasersHurt: "Not only can I not respond on the substance of the article, and therefore must post something unrelated, but I must do it in several threads."


You owe me a new keyboard.
 
2014-03-11 09:54:56 AM  

DemonEater: Tricky Chicken: Well, yeah. But I think ACA will get in the way.

I think it's a first step.  See how hard the right is fighting this patchwork corporate giveaway (calling it socialized medicine, even!), there's no WAY that actual single-payer would go through anytime soon.

But with a stopgap like the ACA, some people get health care in the meantime, and then addressing the problems with it migrates us slowly towards single-payer until it's more palatable.


My fear is that the ACA insurance plans become an industry similar to car insurance.  If you try to switch to single payer, everybody would cry about how you are taking away millions of jobs.  If we went to single payer car insurance, you would put Geico, Allstate, Farmers, StateFarm, Progressive, Gebco, and that place in the cayman islands that insures Penny out of business.

I think similar companies (if not the same ones) will pop up to help you get your insurance.
 
2014-03-11 10:08:42 AM  

hasty ambush: Union: Obamacare will slash wages by up to $5 an hour

Taylor and other union leaders have criticized Obamacare before.

Unite Here's document charges that the administration is putting union health care into a "death spiral." It endorsed criticism that employers will move workers to part-time status to avoid the requirement that those working 30 hours or more a week be provided health insurance -- or else the company pays a penalty. And it says the Affordable Care Act will shift workers from union insurance to the more expensive Obamacare health exchanges, costing them up to half of their pay to cover premiums.

He quoted a Senate aide saying, "Labor needs to regress to the mean." Said Taylor: "In other words, roll back what you have and take one for the team. Ironic, given that Congress and the president carved out an exemption for staffers on the ACA. We cannot sit idly by as the politicians carve up our health plans while they carve out exceptions for themselves and every special interest feeding at the trough in Washington."


It's funny, if you Google "Unite Here is" the first suggestion is "unite here is corrupt".  Their Wikipedia page is all about scandals with their leadership allegedly embezzling money, and they've lost almost a third of their membership since 2009.  But I'm sure they're ardently representing the interests of their members here.
 
2014-03-11 10:45:42 AM  
Let's get these same statistics about 3-6 months from now. People are still on the old policies that are being canceled. Many either cant' afford the new policies or will just drop out. So what we're looking at are the relatively few that have new policies mixed in with the people who haven't yet lost their old policies. Let's see if it holds up in the next few months.
 
2014-03-11 10:47:21 AM  
Gallup found the biggest drop in the uninsured rate was among households making less than $36,000 a year - a decline of 2.8 percentage points.

Oh it declined by 2.8%? Well, farking up the entire health insurance industry was worth it then.
 
2014-03-11 10:48:47 AM  
And this is all based on a Gallup poll, not actual numbers? 

fark. So those numbers are within the usual 3-4% margin of error on these things.


Pathetic.
 
2014-03-11 11:20:26 AM  

jigger: Let's get these same statistics about 3-6 months from now. People are still on the old policies that are being canceled. Many either cant' afford the new policies or will just drop out. So what we're looking at are the relatively few that have new policies mixed in with the people who haven't yet lost their old policies. Let's see if it holds up in the next few months.


jigger: Gallup found the biggest drop in the uninsured rate was among households making less than $36,000 a year - a decline of 2.8 percentage points.

Oh it declined by 2.8%? Well, farking up the entire health insurance industry was worth it then.


jigger: And this is all based on a Gallup poll, not actual numbers? 

fark. So those numbers are within the usual 3-4% margin of error on these things.


Pathetic.


That's a lot of butthurt for more people getting insurance.  Keep flailing away little man.
 
2014-03-11 11:29:47 AM  

jigger: Well, farking up the entire health insurance industry was worth it then.


Lol... You're delusional.
 
2014-03-11 11:30:08 AM  
Yes, let's give thanks to legislation that was a gift wrap to the insurance lobby and enforces those to lock-step into higher insurance premiums.
 
2014-03-11 11:30:41 AM  

Fart_Machine: jigger: Let's get these same statistics about 3-6 months from now. People are still on the old policies that are being canceled. Many either cant' afford the new policies or will just drop out. So what we're looking at are the relatively few that have new policies mixed in with the people who haven't yet lost their old policies. Let's see if it holds up in the next few months.

jigger: Gallup found the biggest drop in the uninsured rate was among households making less than $36,000 a year - a decline of 2.8 percentage points.

Oh it declined by 2.8%? Well, farking up the entire health insurance industry was worth it then.

jigger: And this is all based on a Gallup poll, not actual numbers? 

fark. So those numbers are within the usual 3-4% margin of error on these things.


Pathetic.

That's a lot of butthurt for more people getting insurance.  Keep flailing away little man.


I think they are saying that the margin of error means that more people might not have gotten insurance.
 
2014-03-11 11:39:09 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Fart_Machine: jigger: Let's get these same statistics about 3-6 months from now. People are still on the old policies that are being canceled. Many either cant' afford the new policies or will just drop out. So what we're looking at are the relatively few that have new policies mixed in with the people who haven't yet lost their old policies. Let's see if it holds up in the next few months.

jigger: Gallup found the biggest drop in the uninsured rate was among households making less than $36,000 a year - a decline of 2.8 percentage points.

Oh it declined by 2.8%? Well, farking up the entire health insurance industry was worth it then.

jigger: And this is all based on a Gallup poll, not actual numbers? 

fark. So those numbers are within the usual 3-4% margin of error on these things.


Pathetic.

That's a lot of butthurt for more people getting insurance.  Keep flailing away little man.

I think they are saying that the margin of error means that more people might not have gotten insurance.


Margin of error works both ways and it has risen since the last time they conducted the same poll but thank you for the concern.
 
2014-03-11 11:40:35 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Fart_Machine: jigger: Let's get these same statistics about 3-6 months from now. People are still on the old policies that are being canceled. Many either cant' afford the new policies or will just drop out. So what we're looking at are the relatively few that have new policies mixed in with the people who haven't yet lost their old policies. Let's see if it holds up in the next few months.

jigger: Gallup found the biggest drop in the uninsured rate was among households making less than $36,000 a year - a decline of 2.8 percentage points.

Oh it declined by 2.8%? Well, farking up the entire health insurance industry was worth it then.

jigger: And this is all based on a Gallup poll, not actual numbers? 

fark. So those numbers are within the usual 3-4% margin of error on these things.


Pathetic.

That's a lot of butthurt for more people getting insurance.  Keep flailing away little man.

I think they are saying that the margin of error means that more people might not have gotten insurance.


When Gallup reports at 1% sample error at the 95% confidence level, I thought they mean 1% of error within their result, not within the US population. So 1% of 2.8% means the result is 2.8% +/- 0.028%, or that the result is between 2.77% and 2.83%?

If sample error for these polls is just simple counting error and they polled 28.396 people (that seems like a really great population size), the simple counting error would be 169 at 1 standard deviation, or 338 at 2 (i.e. ~ 95% significance). 338/28,396 would give an error of 1.2%, which is roughly what they reported to one significant figure.

So I don't think their 1% reported error means theyre claiming the result is between 1.8% and 3.8%, rather that based only on sampling error, the result is between 2.77% and 2.83%. They don't attempt to quantify systemic error but do mention it by stating "In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls."
 
2014-03-11 12:18:01 PM  

jigger: Let's get these same statistics about 3-6 months from now. People are still on the old policies that are being canceled. Many either cant' afford the new policies or will just drop out. So what we're looking at are the relatively few that have new policies mixed in with the people who haven't yet lost their old policies. Let's see if it holds up in the next few months.


I'm seriously considering dropping mine and taking the risk of going without insurance.  Since Obamacare passed my premiums for my high-deductible HSA shot up significantly, to the point where it's getting very costly for shiat-hits-the-fan coverage.  But I can easily see this later slapping me in the face if Congress decides to pass a heavier uninsured tax penalty; something the cynic in me can easily see happening.
 
2014-03-11 01:05:59 PM  

Fart_Machine: Tricky Chicken: Fart_Machine: jigger: Let's get these same statistics about 3-6 months from now. People are still on the old policies that are being canceled. Many either cant' afford the new policies or will just drop out. So what we're looking at are the relatively few that have new policies mixed in with the people who haven't yet lost their old policies. Let's see if it holds up in the next few months.

jigger: Gallup found the biggest drop in the uninsured rate was among households making less than $36,000 a year - a decline of 2.8 percentage points.

Oh it declined by 2.8%? Well, farking up the entire health insurance industry was worth it then.

jigger: And this is all based on a Gallup poll, not actual numbers? 

fark. So those numbers are within the usual 3-4% margin of error on these things.


Pathetic.

That's a lot of butthurt for more people getting insurance.  Keep flailing away little man.

I think they are saying that the margin of error means that more people might not have gotten insurance.

Margin of error works both ways and it has risen since the last time they conducted the same poll but thank you for the concern.


Eh, I do what I can. FWIW, I hope more people do have insurance.
 
2014-03-11 01:27:10 PM  

wesmon: I'm lucky enough to live in Florida where the sociopaths who run the state have turned down the Medicaid money.

So on my small income the smallest premium I can get through Obamacare is over $300 a month. No way I can afford that. I, along with 900,000 other Floridians am shut out of this whole deal.

Obama did screw us by not trying for a public option to begin with, but I can't fault him for the Republican assholes who turned down the money in Florida.

Now I am just trying to find out if I am still on the hook for the penalty for not buying coverage. It would just be insult to injury to not be able to afford insurance and watch a big part of my tax return get taken away.


Tell me: who does the liberal media blame for this predicament you've (legitimately, unfortunately) found yourself in?
 
2014-03-11 05:07:34 PM  

ginandbacon: doloresonthedottedline: DemonEater: doloresonthedottedline: I have a friend with zero income who is disabled and basically should be on SSI with Medicaid but doesn't function enough to even apply. If the fine is through taxes and all that, would he even really need to apply for an exemption?

Zero income means you don't have to do anything at all.  You only have to worry about it if you make over the federal tax filing threshold of ~$10k a year.

How is he not on crazy disability stuff, what does "not functioning enough to apply" mean?  Can somebody not apply for him?

He lives with his father who he takes care of. He has severe agoraphobia, a very unsupportive/horrible family, and the only friends he lives kind of near are libertarian "WTF MAN BOOTSTRAPS" types who just don't get it. I know a lot of people who've dealt with mental illness and I've never known anyone with depression and agoraphobia this bad. He'll go days without eating if someone is there to visit his dad because he doesn't want to risk running into someone in the kitchen. I can't even get him to consider going to a local clinic to try medication because he "doesn't deserve it" and he can't see how things could ever be better. I honestly have no idea what to do for him. I don't know if there's any government services I could even contact to intervene until/unless he becomes homeless or something.

Really can't even begin to convey how bad off he is. I have no idea what to do. It seems like there should be something, someone, that could legally intervene for someone who truly is in no shape to take care of themselves. But he isn't a danger to himself or others. So, as far as I know, there isn't.

What an awful situation. There are many mental health outreach programs that might be able to help. If you feel up to it, you might try contacting Virginia's Dept of Medical Assistance Services. They have a branch that concentrates on behavioral health but he would have to be willing to work with them. I do ...


In New York where I reside, they are called Mobile Crisis Teams.  A team of nurse, psychiatrist and social worker that be called to go into a person's home to intervene if there is a possible psychiatric crisis.
 
2014-03-11 05:14:41 PM  

El Pachuco: The drop of 1.2 percentage points in the uninsured rate translates to about 3 million people gaining coverage... Gallup found the biggest drop in the uninsured rate was among households making less than $36,000 a year - a decline of 2.8 percentage points.

I have been assured by GOP supporters here that some jobs don't deserve healthcare (fast food etc.).  They don't seem to understand that they're really saying some people don't deserve healthcare.


sorry buddy, i dont support shiatbag republicans at all and thats what i think. you do a low-skill job and think you deserve everything. LOL. retirement i can understand since you can roll that over and employers dont have to match 1:1, but healthcare? people working fast food generally make minimum wage. the cost of healthcare would eat up most of that paycheck. 

you should be aiming to graduate from mcdonalds, not make it a career -_-;
 
2014-03-11 05:22:03 PM  

xtech: you should be aiming to graduate from mcdonalds, not make it a career


Well, that's a lovely straw man you set up there.
 
2014-03-11 06:11:30 PM  

grumpfuff: xtech: you should be aiming to graduate from mcdonalds, not make it a career

Well, that's a lovely straw man you set up there.


Yes! Let's make food service work the most humiliating, lousy paying and degrading line of work possible. Hope you like extra mucus on your burger.
 
2014-03-12 04:53:03 AM  

xtech: El Pachuco: The drop of 1.2 percentage points in the uninsured rate translates to about 3 million people gaining coverage... Gallup found the biggest drop in the uninsured rate was among households making less than $36,000 a year - a decline of 2.8 percentage points.

I have been assured by GOP supporters here that some jobs don't deserve healthcare (fast food etc.).  They don't seem to understand that they're really saying some people don't deserve healthcare.

sorry buddy, i dont support shiatbag republicans at all and thats what i think. you do a low-skill job and think you deserve everything. LOL. retirement i can understand since you can roll that over and employers dont have to match 1:1, but healthcare? people working fast food generally make minimum wage. the cost of healthcare would eat up most of that paycheck. 

you should be aiming to graduate from mcdonalds, not make it a career -_-;


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