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(WHAS 11 Louisville)   Convicted killer of 7 ordered to pay $500k in restitution. Oh, did I say "pay"? I meant "receive"   (whas11.com) divider line 84
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2014-03-11 12:00:08 AM  
Well, that's a slap in the face of an enraged public ready to cry out that the killer should be thoroughly ass raped before he is executed.  And that public will be heard from shortly.
 
2014-03-11 12:11:38 AM  
I agree, it's asinine that a Cook County sheriff's deputy beat an inmate so severely he had to have metal plates put into his head.
 
2014-03-11 12:20:33 AM  

Prey4reign: Well, that's a slap in the face of an enraged public ready to cry out that the killer should be thoroughly ass raped before he is executed.  And that public will be heard from shortly.


In fact, in two hours from this post!
 
2014-03-11 12:24:36 AM  
Drew?
 
2014-03-11 12:29:26 AM  
They can make their point on civil rights on other cases," Winters said. "There is a time and place for everything, when you make that point in light of the fact that these people have been brutally murdered, you are thumbing your noses at the families, you are hurting those victims again, no reason to do it."

Exactly. If everyone had equal protection of the law, then some people wouldn't.

There's a time and a place for constitutionally protected rights, and that time and place is entirely dependent on the whim of select people.
 
2014-03-11 01:01:02 AM  
When I was a kid the LA police beat up a man named Rodney King. Shortly afterward King was shown in court laughing and smiling and my mother said, "You know what makes me sick? This CRIMINAL is somehow a hero!"

I said, "Well maybe if the LAPD followed the law you wouldn't have to see that."
 
2014-03-11 01:03:19 AM  
Wilson claimed that Degorski lunged at him and that he acted in self-defense.

This is why prison guards should be required to wear cameras when they're on the job. Cops, too.
 
2014-03-11 01:49:24 AM  
Well yeah, you caught him, now you get to confine him. You don't get to beat the sh*t out of him, as much as you want to. And I don't blame you for wanting to, but you can't.
 
2014-03-11 02:29:56 AM  

jaylectricity: When I was a kid the LA police beat up a man named Rodney King. Shortly afterward King was shown in court laughing and smiling and my mother said, "You know what makes me sick? This CRIMINAL is somehow a hero!"

I said, "Well maybe if the LAPD followed the law you wouldn't have to see that."


Yeah, of all the people who ever deserved a beat down, Rodney King is up there.

But the cops' job is not to deliver said beatdowns. I have no trouble with this guard being punished.

What I do have trouble with is a guy who killed 7 people in a robbery attempt in 1993 being alive in any date past 1994.
 
2014-03-11 02:44:34 AM  
Great, a jerk beats up a turd and the public has to pic up the bill.
 
2014-03-11 02:45:18 AM  
So, that's what...about three packs of smokes at the prison canteen?
 
2014-03-11 02:46:07 AM  
Getting punched in the face daily should be part of his sentence.  If he doesn't like it, he could always opt for the proper punishment for mass murderers.
 
2014-03-11 02:46:45 AM  
...and now he has assets which his victims can sue for and obtain a judgment against.
 
2014-03-11 02:47:23 AM  
I read the headline and saw the picture of the cretin.

For my personal sanity I didn't investigate further. May that obviously guilty man burn forever.

I'm running so low on empathy for white trash (this guy) that I can't even pretend to care anymore. Let Palin burn with him. Oh, and Limbaugh and definetely Rafael Cruz. (And Chris Christie).
 
2014-03-11 02:49:32 AM  
Actually, what must happen next is for the families of the 7 victims to file a lawsuit for restitution. Granted, the families won't see anywhere close to the $500K, but it would keep it off of this asshat's books.
 
2014-03-11 02:50:06 AM  

JK47: ...and now he has assets which his victims can sue for and obtain a judgment against.


His victims are suffering from a bad case of being dead.  I think you meant the families of the victims.
 
2014-03-11 02:51:00 AM  

jaylectricity: When I was a kid the LA police beat up a man named Rodney King. Shortly afterward King was shown in court laughing and smiling and my mother said, "You know what makes me sick? This CRIMINAL is somehow a hero!"

I said, "Well maybe if the LAPD followed the law you wouldn't have to see that."


Wtf? Was Mr King the aggressor? Did he disparage the VERY GOOD NAME of the LAPD? No? Then maybe your mom needs to lose the racism.
 
2014-03-11 02:51:08 AM  

JK47: ...and now he has assets which his victims can sue for and obtain a judgment against.


Hell, yes.

/It'll only take a decade or more to get a piece.
//Justice system at its finest.
 
2014-03-11 02:55:25 AM  

Obryn: JK47: ...and now he has assets which his victims can sue for and obtain a judgment against.

Hell, yes.

/It'll only take a decade or more to get a piece.
//Justice system at its finest.


The family's lawyers will be very happy with their settlement.  Afterwards, however, they'll have to go after the family themselves because it probably won't be enough for the lawyers.
 
2014-03-11 03:08:40 AM  
While I can't condone a prison guard assaulting an inmate without "imminent harm" provocation, I am certainly okay with this guy having his face broken.

As for the judgement, I can also understand awarding him a civil suit for the assault, but 500K seems...excessive. Although between legal fees and probable restitution to the families of his victims, I suppose he's not likely to see much of it.

I like the idea of a permanent cycle...break his jaw, pay him a hundred grand, award his hundred grand to the victim's families, break his jaw again, award another hundred grand...

"Honey, the roofing company are saying that they might go a little over their budget on the garage"

"Oh, alright, let me put in a call to the prison and have them rough up Degorski a little. What do you think, broken jaw?"

"They said it looks like the leak is spreading to the roof over the living room, too"

"Hmm, okay, I guess I'll let them know to take an ear, too."
 
2014-03-11 03:18:08 AM  

fusillade762: This is why prison guards should be required to wear cameras when they're on the job. Cops, too.


Yep. So we wouldn't get dumb bunny comments like this:

Fark It: I agree, it's asinine that a Cook County sheriff's deputy beat an inmate so severely he had to have metal plates put into his head.


Do you realize a single punch in the face can cause you to require metal plates? People have been *killed* by one punch.

You sound like a liberal who's never been in a fight in his life, let alone worked in law enforcement with scumbags trying to kill you.
 
2014-03-11 03:23:26 AM  

StanTheMan: fusillade762: This is why prison guards should be required to wear cameras when they're on the job. Cops, too.

Yep. So we wouldn't get dumb bunny comments like this:

Fark It: I agree, it's asinine that a Cook County sheriff's deputy beat an inmate so severely he had to have metal plates put into his head.

Do you realize a single punch in the face can cause you to require metal plates? People have been *killed* by one punch.

You sound like a liberal who's never been in a fight in his life, let alone worked in law enforcement with scumbags trying to kill you.


Derperman, away!
 
2014-03-11 03:26:47 AM  

Captain James T. Smirk: As for the judgement, I can also understand awarding him a civil suit for the assault, but 500K seems...excessive.


Eh, in the US that's about the cost of making an x-ray and getting somebody to evaluate it.
 
2014-03-11 03:27:56 AM  

StanTheMan: fusillade762: This is why prison guards should be required to wear cameras when they're on the job. Cops, too.

Yep. So we wouldn't get dumb bunny comments like this:

Fark It: I agree, it's asinine that a Cook County sheriff's deputy beat an inmate so severely he had to have metal plates put into his head.


Yes, that's exactly why, in fact. When there's no "cop said perp said" to police interactions, when the encounter is unambiguously documented, you cut down on both actual police brutality and frivolous police brutality lawsuits. Everyone wins except the thug cops and the criminal scammers, and fark them.
 
2014-03-11 03:29:36 AM  

StanTheMan: fusillade762: This is why prison guards should be required to wear cameras when they're on the job. Cops, too.

Yep. So we wouldn't get dumb bunny comments like this:

Fark It: I agree, it's asinine that a Cook County sheriff's deputy beat an inmate so severely he had to have metal plates put into his head.

Do you realize a single punch in the face can cause you to require metal plates? People have been *killed* by one punch.

You sound like a liberal who's never been in a fight in his life, let alone worked in law enforcement with scumbags trying to kill you.

  So


one punch with these results doesn't count as a severe beating?   You're the one looking dumb here.
 
2014-03-11 03:30:43 AM  
Seriously, I'm amazed anyone could have problems with this, except the Derp Brigade who thinks ass rape and regular beatings should be part of any inmate's daily routine. And given the number of frothing-at-the-mouth cop haters and prison-guard disparagers, you'd think the two camps would be split about 50/50. Prisoners have very few civil rights, but the right not to be beat to death by those ostensibly guarding them is one.

Honestly, there's no excuse for a corrections officer to beat an inmate unless he's fighting for his life; in which case said inmate should eventually be dead and said officer should be nearly so. In any prison, the tower or gun officer will see a fight and fire his warning round; and if that doesn't work, the next shot is the kill shot; and if the fight is going on outside the view of the gun officer, then the fight is to the death, and will end up so. This isn't jail, it's prison, and things are different--there ARE weapons on the tier, and the gun officers have the ability to use them preemptively. And out in the yard, there are no warning shots. (source: my best friend the CO, who has fired warning shots three times on his tier)

So if this douche beat a guy so badly he needed steel plates in his head, it was for his own amusement, and he deserves to pay.
 
2014-03-11 03:43:24 AM  
Maybe he's just a victim of soicumstance?

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2014-03-11 03:50:26 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Seriously, I'm amazed anyone could have problems with this, except the Derp Brigade who thinks ass rape and regular beatings should be part of any inmate's daily routine. And given the number of frothing-at-the-mouth cop haters and prison-guard disparagers, you'd think the two camps would be split about 50/50. Prisoners have very few civil rights, but the right not to be beat to death by those ostensibly guarding them is one.

Honestly, there's no excuse for a corrections officer to beat an inmate unless he's fighting for his life; in which case said inmate should eventually be dead and said officer should be nearly so. In any prison, the tower or gun officer will see a fight and fire his warning round; and if that doesn't work, the next shot is the kill shot; and if the fight is going on outside the view of the gun officer, then the fight is to the death, and will end up so. This isn't jail, it's prison, and things are different--there ARE weapons on the tier, and the gun officers have the ability to use them preemptively. And out in the yard, there are no warning shots. (source: my best friend the CO, who has fired warning shots three times on his tier)

So if this douche beat a guy so badly he needed steel plates in his head, it was for his own amusement, and he deserves to pay.


Really don't need to beat someone that bad to have micro plates installed.  A simple one punch and down bar fight will do it.  Slamming into the steering wheel during an accident will do it.  Sneezing too close to a hard surface will do it.  Hell, we do it for cosmetic reasons just because of an underbite or a lack of 'cheekbones' or a chin.

500k sets a bad precedent for anyone who wants to sue because they got facial trauma, regardless of the circumstance.  Censure and fire the guard and pay for the prisoners bills.
 
2014-03-11 03:52:50 AM  

Rat: Gyrfalcon: Seriously, I'm amazed anyone could have problems with this, except the Derp Brigade who thinks ass rape and regular beatings should be part of any inmate's daily routine. And given the number of frothing-at-the-mouth cop haters and prison-guard disparagers, you'd think the two camps would be split about 50/50. Prisoners have very few civil rights, but the right not to be beat to death by those ostensibly guarding them is one.

Honestly, there's no excuse for a corrections officer to beat an inmate unless he's fighting for his life; in which case said inmate should eventually be dead and said officer should be nearly so. In any prison, the tower or gun officer will see a fight and fire his warning round; and if that doesn't work, the next shot is the kill shot; and if the fight is going on outside the view of the gun officer, then the fight is to the death, and will end up so. This isn't jail, it's prison, and things are different--there ARE weapons on the tier, and the gun officers have the ability to use them preemptively. And out in the yard, there are no warning shots. (source: my best friend the CO, who has fired warning shots three times on his tier)

So if this douche beat a guy so badly he needed steel plates in his head, it was for his own amusement, and he deserves to pay.

Really don't need to beat someone that bad to have micro plates installed.  A simple one punch and down bar fight will do it.  Slamming into the steering wheel during an accident will do it.  Sneezing too close to a hard surface will do it.  Hell, we do it for cosmetic reasons just because of an underbite or a lack of 'cheekbones' or a chin.

500k sets a bad precedent for anyone who wants to sue because they got facial trauma, regardless of the circumstance.  Censure and fire the guard and pay for the prisoners bills.


I'm guessing that will happen on appeal.
 
2014-03-11 03:53:42 AM  

Fark It: I agree, it's asinine that a Cook County sheriff's deputy beat an inmate so severely he had to have metal plates put into his head.


I agree. Don't the deputies have bullets?
 
2014-03-11 04:03:02 AM  

SevenizGud: Fark It: I agree, it's asinine that a Cook County sheriff's deputy beat an inmate so severely he had to have metal plates put into his head.

I agree. Don't the deputies have bullets?


Come on, do you have any idea how difficult it is to punch someone with a bullet?!
 
2014-03-11 04:16:21 AM  

StanTheMan: fusillade762: This is why prison guards should be required to wear cameras when they're on the job. Cops, too.

Yep. So we wouldn't get dumb bunny comments like this:

Fark It: I agree, it's asinine that a Cook County sheriff's deputy beat an inmate so severely he had to have metal plates put into his head.

Do you realize a single punch in the face can cause you to require metal plates? People have been *killed* by one punch.


Sadly, in this case that didn't not occur.
 
2014-03-11 04:16:36 AM  
Rat:   and pay for the prisoners bills.

Aren't the taxpayers already doing that?
 
2014-03-11 04:37:35 AM  

Rat: Really don't need to beat someone that bad to have micro plates installed. A simple one punch and down bar fight will do it. Slamming into the steering wheel during an accident will do it. Sneezing too close to a hard surface will do it. Hell, we do it for cosmetic reasons just because of an underbite or a lack of 'cheekbones' or a chin.500k sets a bad precedent for anyone who wants to sue because they got facial trauma, regardless of the circumstance. Censure and fire the guard and pay for the prisoners bills.


I actually disagree. Similar injuries have netted people millions of dollars, frankly I think the fact that this guy is a convict already lowered the payout substantially.

Frankly, if he does get even more screwed on appeal, then we all know no one is going to cry over it because of his violent criminal past. Doesn't make it right or fair, but another thing we all know is that fairness as a concept is not something people generally apply in a fair way.

People are douchebags that way.
 
Rat [TotalFark]
2014-03-11 04:38:20 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: Rat:   and pay for the prisoners bills.

Aren't the taxpayers already doing that?


I should've wrote "make him pay for the prisoners bills" and you're right, the taxpayers are probably gonna foot the bill for the whole ordeal.
 
2014-03-11 04:38:34 AM  

OgreMagi: StanTheMan: fusillade762: This is why prison guards should be required to wear cameras when they're on the job. Cops, too.

Yep. So we wouldn't get dumb bunny comments like this:

Fark It: I agree, it's asinine that a Cook County sheriff's deputy beat an inmate so severely he had to have metal plates put into his head.

Do you realize a single punch in the face can cause you to require metal plates? People have been *killed* by one punch.

Sadly, in this case that didn't not occur.


Indeed.
 
2014-03-11 04:59:05 AM  
www.lynchthehangman.com


It'd be terrible if he decided to hang himself in his cell before he got paid.
 
2014-03-11 05:07:13 AM  
Why do people have so much trouble in seeing that the person who got beat by the guard was innocent as they had not been convicted yet?

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That *IS* the way you would like your law to work isn`t it?
 
2014-03-11 05:11:48 AM  
It is unclear just how much of the nearly half-million dollars Degorski will wind up seeing. Half of the money will be paid by Cook county, and the other half by Thomas Wilson.

Which should then promptly be paid out to settle any civil claims made by the victims families.
 
2014-03-11 05:24:44 AM  

dready zim: Why do people have so much trouble in seeing that the person who got beat by the guard was innocent as they had not been convicted yet?

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That *IS* the way you would like your law to work isn`t it?


Innocent or guilty though, at least in the eyes of our legal system....it doesn't matter.  A convicted killer has the same rights not to be punched in the face or mistreated as an innocent man.
 
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2014-03-11 05:32:12 AM  

dready zim: Why do people have so much trouble in seeing that the person who got beat by the guard was innocent as they had not been convicted yet?

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That *IS* the way you would like your law to work isn`t it?


Thanks for pointing that out.  The timeline didn't click in my brain that he hadn't been convicted yet.  Still shouldn't happen, though.

 
2014-03-11 05:39:36 AM  

dready zim: Why do people have so much trouble in seeing that the person who got beat by the guard was innocent as they had not been convicted yet?

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That *IS* the way you would like your law to work isn`t it?


Am I misreading the article?  I thought he was convicted of the seven killings, then beaten in prison (not jail.)

Doesn't excuse the beating though, just saying.
 
2014-03-11 06:09:10 AM  

inclemency: I read the headline and saw the picture of the cretin.

For my personal sanity I didn't investigate further. May that obviously guilty man burn forever.

I'm running so low on empathy for white trash (this guy) that I can't even pretend to care anymore. Let Palin burn with him. Oh, and Limbaugh and definetely Rafael Cruz. (And Chris Christie).


You can add Piyush Jindal. That piece of crap has ruined Louisiana far more than anyone else in the past century.
 
2014-03-11 06:11:59 AM  
This kind of shiat happens sometimes.
I've got way better things to be outraged about.
 
2014-03-11 06:39:30 AM  

inclemency: Was Mr King the aggressor?


Actually, yes. Until he was subdued and then the police became the aggressors. But driving 100 mph in a residential neighborhood and then lunging at police officers is certainly considered aggressive behavior. Doesn't mean they had to beat him half to death.
 
2014-03-11 06:40:21 AM  

PunGent: dready zim: Why do people have so much trouble in seeing that the person who got beat by the guard was innocent as they had not been convicted yet?

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That *IS* the way you would like your law to work isn`t it?

Am I misreading the article?  I thought he was convicted of the seven killings, then beaten in prison (not jail.)

Doesn't excuse the beating though, just saying.

As best as I can tell....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown's_Chicken_massacre 

The murders happened in 1993.
He (the killer) was arrested in 2002.
He (the killer) was beaten in 2002.
In 2003 the guard who beat him was acquitted of criminal charges.
In 2004 the killer sued the guard in civil court....but the case was put on hold pending the murder case.
In 2007 his partner was found guilty of 7 counts of murder.
In 2009 he was found guilty of 7 counts of murder.
The civil case was just ended recently.

I hope I'm wrong on the dates, because this is disgusting.  Arrested in 2002....convicted in 2009.  How is that even possible?
 
2014-03-11 06:46:44 AM  
Sounds like he stopped beating him about a minute too soon.
 
2014-03-11 06:46:59 AM  

doglover: OgreMagi: StanTheMan: fusillade762: This is why prison guards should be required to wear cameras when they're on the job. Cops, too.

Yep. So we wouldn't get dumb bunny comments like this:

Fark It: I agree, it's asinine that a Cook County sheriff's deputy beat an inmate so severely he had to have metal plates put into his head.

Do you realize a single punch in the face can cause you to require metal plates? People have been *killed* by one punch.

Sadly, in this case that didn't not occur.

Indeed.


Well the important thing is that you've found a way to feel more just than everyone else.
 
2014-03-11 06:50:49 AM  

proteus_b: inclemency: Was Mr King the aggressor?

Actually, yes. Until he was subdued and then the police became the aggressors. But driving 100 mph in a residential neighborhood and then lunging at police officers is certainly considered aggressive behavior. Doesn't mean they had to beat him half to death.


Meh - I've gone through it in detail before....but I wasn't old enough when the events happened to really pay attention.  I thought it was racist white cops beat innocent black man.  The truth was very, very different.  King went on to have a miserable life with continued DUIs, continued police chases, continued drug abuse and violence.  The guy had a record at the time, was incredibly intoxicated, speeding through residential areas, resisting arrest and fighting police.

It's all be analysed to death, but they have a detailed account of each and every little thing that happened.  I forget the exact numbers, but he was hit 64 times and 58 were considered perfectly lawful.  The remaining six were deemed excessive.  He wasn't laying on the ground motionless while people hit him 64 times, he was actively fighting the police long enough to be hit 58 times....

Racial inequality is a real thing, and I'm all for fixing it.  But using Rodney King as a shining example of 'the man' keeping people down was disgusting, IMHO.  The other black guys in the car with Mr. King who didn't attack the police were arrested without incident.  No beatings, no abuse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King
 
2014-03-11 07:03:53 AM  
From TFA  -  awarded nearly a half million dollars in a civil lawsuit against a prison guard accused of punching him in the face.

I'm okay with this. It's not okay for prison guards to punch inmates in the face without provocation.
 
2014-03-11 07:06:00 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: PunGent: dready zim: Why do people have so much trouble in seeing that the person who got beat by the guard was innocent as they had not been convicted yet?

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That *IS* the way you would like your law to work isn`t it?

Am I misreading the article?  I thought he was convicted of the seven killings, then beaten in prison (not jail.)

Doesn't excuse the beating though, just saying.
As best as I can tell....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown's_Chicken_massacre 

The murders happened in 1993.
He (the killer) was arrested in 2002.
He (the killer) was beaten in 2002.
In 2003 the guard who beat him was acquitted of criminal charges.
In 2004 the killer sued the guard in civil court....but the case was put on hold pending the murder case.
In 2007 his partner was found guilty of 7 counts of murder.
In 2009 he was found guilty of 7 counts of murder.
The civil case was just ended recently.

I hope I'm wrong on the dates, because this is disgusting.  Arrested in 2002....convicted in 2009.  How is that even possible?


Seven years for a potentially capital murder case?  easy.  Lots of discovery, lots of motions on both sides, crowded docket, shortage of judges.  I've argued cases in leaky trailers attached to courthouses here in Mass, and there are states worse off when it comes to their judicial infrastructure.

Civil litigation can take even longer...look at that Chevron case from Guatemala that just got dismissed...original alleged pollution was back in '92 or so.
 
2014-03-11 07:14:57 AM  
Where's the ObamaCare Death Panel when you need them?
 
2014-03-11 07:20:30 AM  
He will make a fine CEO someday.
 
2014-03-11 07:22:32 AM  
The man convicted of perpetrating one of the most gruesome and notorious mass killings in Chicago-area history has been awarded nearly a half million dollars in a civil lawsuit against a prison guard accused of punching him in the face.

So if you're upset, be upset at this guard that's unfit for his job.
 
2014-03-11 07:38:30 AM  

PsychoLaurie: Actually, what must happen next is for the families of the 7 victims to file a lawsuit for restitution. Granted, the families won't see anywhere close to the $500K, but it would keep it off of this asshat's books.


Plus the state can charge him for his confinement.  20k a year for Menard.  25k if he wants a view of the Mississippi and a dailywake up rape.
 
2014-03-11 07:40:04 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: 25k if he wants a view of the Mississippi and a dailywake up rape.


Gives a whole new meaning to getting tucked in at night.
 
2014-03-11 07:43:10 AM  
Approves (of the beating)

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2014-03-11 07:47:35 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: PunGent: dready zim: Why do people have so much trouble in seeing that the person who got beat by the guard was innocent as they had not been convicted yet?

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That *IS* the way you would like your law to work isn`t it?

Am I misreading the article?  I thought he was convicted of the seven killings, then beaten in prison (not jail.)

Doesn't excuse the beating though, just saying.
As best as I can tell....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown's_Chicken_massacre 

The murders happened in 1993.
He (the killer) was arrested in 2002.
He (the killer) was beaten in 2002.
In 2003 the guard who beat him was acquitted of criminal charges.
In 2004 the killer sued the guard in civil court....but the case was put on hold pending the murder case.
In 2007 his partner was found guilty of 7 counts of murder.
In 2009 he was found guilty of 7 counts of murder.
The civil case was just ended recently.

I hope I'm wrong on the dates, because this is disgusting.  Arrested in 2002....convicted in 2009.  How is that even possible?


There are guys sitting in prison cells that have only been charged and never seen a court room yet. I had a friend that was in one of the worst county prisons in the country for 2 months before he ever saw a judge or lawyer. He saw his lawyer the day of the court proceeding, saw the judge and was out within a day. He was never convicted because the charges were dropped. That 2 months in County almost killed him.

Innocent till proven guilty my big, white ass!
 
2014-03-11 07:47:57 AM  
On the plus side, he now has 500k for his victims families to sue for.

I know it probably doesn't work that way...
 
2014-03-11 07:49:19 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: proteus_b: inclemency: Was Mr King the aggressor?

Actually, yes. Until he was subdued and then the police became the aggressors. But driving 100 mph in a residential neighborhood and then lunging at police officers is certainly considered aggressive behavior. Doesn't mean they had to beat him half to death.

Meh - I've gone through it in detail before....but I wasn't old enough when the events happened to really pay attention.  I thought it was racist white cops beat innocent black man.  The truth was very, very different.  King went on to have a miserable life with continued DUIs, continued police chases, continued drug abuse and violence.  The guy had a record at the time, was incredibly intoxicated, speeding through residential areas, resisting arrest and fighting police.

It's all be analysed to death, but they have a detailed account of each and every little thing that happened.  I forget the exact numbers, but he was hit 64 times and 58 were considered perfectly lawful.  The remaining six were deemed excessive.  He wasn't laying on the ground motionless while people hit him 64 times, he was actively fighting the police long enough to be hit 58 times....

Racial inequality is a real thing, and I'm all for fixing it.  But using Rodney King as a shining example of 'the man' keeping people down was disgusting, IMHO.  The other black guys in the car with Mr. King who didn't attack the police were arrested without incident.  No beatings, no abuse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King


To be fair, kicking a man's ass that bad is rather exhausting. They were too worn out to do it a few more times.
 
2014-03-11 07:52:21 AM  
i879.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-11 07:59:49 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: It's all be analysed to death, but they have a detailed account of each and every little thing that happened.


The LAPD gave their account, eh? Has to be 100% legit.

 I forget the exact numbers, but he was hit 64 times and 58 were considered perfectly lawful.  The remaining six were deemed excessive.  He wasn't laying on the ground motionless while people hit him 64 times, he was actively fighting the police long enough to be hit 58 times....

Hilarious. If you think that guy was doing anything besides getting his ass kicked, you're insane. You can watch the tape, he's in defensive positions the entire time.
 
2014-03-11 08:05:13 AM  

bunner: [www.lynchthehangman.com image 300x391]


It'd be terrible if he decided to hang himself in his cell before he got paid.


After shooting himself several times in the head with a guard's gun?
 
2014-03-11 08:06:23 AM  

inclemency: I read the headline and saw the picture of the cretin.

For my personal sanity I didn't investigate further. May that obviously guilty man burn forever.

I'm running so low on empathy for white trash (this guy) that I can't even pretend to care anymore. Let Palin burn with him. Oh, and Limbaugh and definetely Rafael Cruz. (And Chris Christie).


Racist.
 
2014-03-11 08:14:09 AM  
This is why we shouldn't have to have victims/family of victims need to sue for restitution/damages.   That should be included in the original punishment....monetary compensation along with whatever else.    Don't have the money?  No problem,   lifelong lien against you until you can pay it back.

Boom,  no new court cases needed....money never actually sees this guy's account, it's immediately redirected to victim's families.    Money he receives working prison jobs?   Yeah,  about that....
 
2014-03-11 08:42:53 AM  
To those saying "funnel the cash to the victims", usually a cash reward given to the victim of a crime cannot be attached by creditors even if those creditors were also the victim of a crime.  Look up "exempt assets".

Unfortunately I am well versed in protecting my assets from creditors.
 
2014-03-11 08:58:03 AM  
Since Brown's Chicken and Pasta lost 35% of their business following the murders and the courts say companies are just like people now, can't they sue him for lost revenue?
 
2014-03-11 09:28:00 AM  
How much is that in cigarettes?
 
2014-03-11 09:34:25 AM  

StanTheMan: fusillade762: This is why prison guards should be required to wear cameras when they're on the job. Cops, too.

Yep. So we wouldn't get dumb bunny comments like this:

Fark It: I agree, it's asinine that a Cook County sheriff's deputy beat an inmate so severely he had to have metal plates put into his head.

Do you realize a single punch in the face can cause you to require metal plates? People have been *killed* by one punch.

You sound like a liberal who's never been in a fight in his life, let alone worked in law enforcement with scumbags trying to kill you.


Really, that's your argument?  It's ok because, hey, when you're beating someone shiat happens?

/Oh yeah, LIBERALS!
 
2014-03-11 09:52:52 AM  

Captain James T. Smirk: While I can't condone a prison guard assaulting an inmate without "imminent harm" provocation, I am certainly okay with this guy having his face broken.

As for the judgement, I can also understand awarding him a civil suit for the assault, but 500K seems...excessive. Although between legal fees and probable restitution to the families of his victims, I suppose he's not likely to see much of it.

I like the idea of a permanent cycle...break his jaw, pay him a hundred grand, award his hundred grand to the victim's families, break his jaw again, award another hundred grand...

"Honey, the roofing company are saying that they might go a little over their budget on the garage"

"Oh, alright, let me put in a call to the prison and have them rough up Degorski a little. What do you think, broken jaw?"

"They said it looks like the leak is spreading to the roof over the living room, too"

"Hmm, okay, I guess I'll let them know to take an ear, too."

I don't normally condone this type of thinking, but in this particular case, let him have it. Still remember that day vividly.
 
2014-03-11 10:00:35 AM  
Laws are only for the bad people. It's fine if the good people break laws. It's like you guys haven't been paying attention for the past five thousand years.
 
2014-03-11 11:32:46 AM  
So wait... you mean to tell me that people convicted of a crime still have rights under the law?

This is brand new information.
 
2014-03-11 11:57:56 AM  
That's the Chicago Way™

assets.nydailynews.com
 
2014-03-11 12:22:26 PM  
emaram500: inclemency: I read the headline and saw the picture of the cretin.

For my personal sanity I didn't investigate further. May that obviously guilty man burn forever.

I'm running so low on empathy for white trash (this guy) that I can't even pretend to care anymore. Let Palin burn with him. Oh, and Limbaugh and definetely Rafael Cruz. (And Chris Christie).

You can add Piyush Jindal. That piece of crap has ruined Louisiana far more than anyone else in the past century.


will do.
 
2014-03-11 12:28:09 PM  

Farabor: This is why we shouldn't have to have victims/family of victims need to sue for restitution/damages.   That should be included in the original punishment....monetary compensation along with whatever else.    Don't have the money?  No problem,   lifelong lien against you until you can pay it back.

Boom,  no new court cases needed....money never actually sees this guy's account, it's immediately redirected to victim's families.    Money he receives working prison jobs?   Yeah,  about that....


That's right - we should continue to punish someone for as long as possible for a single crime they committed. No one should ever receive a second chance, a new start, or catch a break. Because every crime should have a life-long punishment, which will never ever go away. This will in no way result in negative economic and social repercussions, lead to the creation of a permanent underclass, or cause discord and rebellion.
 
2014-03-11 12:56:29 PM  
It was a Browns Chicken, not a diner like the article repeatedly states.
I'd like to buy the guard a beer.

/lived about a mile away at the time.
 
2014-03-11 02:13:15 PM  
Well I'm sure the family of his victims will enjoy the money. Just as soon  as they fill wrongful death suit.
 
2014-03-11 03:37:15 PM  

JK47: ...and now he has assets which his victims can sue for and obtain a judgment against.


Sadly, I suspect the statute of limitations for filing has long since run out, so unless there is a standing judgment, there probably is no recourse.
 
2014-03-11 03:52:06 PM  

HoratioGates: JK47: ...and now he has assets which his victims can sue for and obtain a judgment against.

Sadly, I suspect the statute of limitations for filing has long since run out, so unless there is a standing judgment, there probably is no recourse.



That's what I was hoping for...that they'd at least established liability and had just held off on trying to attach the judgment to assets.
 
2014-03-11 04:10:45 PM  

JK47: ...and now he has assets which his victims can sue for and obtain a judgment against.


Yep. Karma would be if he gets the shiat severely kicked out of him 6 more times, so each of his victim's family gets thier own settlement vicariously through his horrific injuries over the years. I'm not saying I want that to happen - but it would be interesting karma.
 
2014-03-11 05:41:11 PM  

phyrkrakr: Farabor: This is why we shouldn't have to have victims/family of victims need to sue for restitution/damages.   That should be included in the original punishment....monetary compensation along with whatever else.    Don't have the money?  No problem,   lifelong lien against you until you can pay it back.

Boom,  no new court cases needed....money never actually sees this guy's account, it's immediately redirected to victim's families.    Money he receives working prison jobs?   Yeah,  about that....

That's right - we should continue to punish someone for as long as possible for a single crime they committed. No one should ever receive a second chance, a new start, or catch a break. Because every crime should have a life-long punishment, which will never ever go away. This will in no way result in negative economic and social repercussions, lead to the creation of a permanent underclass, or cause discord and rebellion.


No,  not continually.   Just until restitution is made to the victims of their crime.   What, are you saying victims don't deserve restitution?
 
2014-03-11 05:43:24 PM  

TheCableGuy: To those saying "funnel the cash to the victims", usually a cash reward given to the victim of a crime cannot be attached by creditors even if those creditors were also the victim of a crime.  Look up "exempt assets".

Unfortunately I am well versed in protecting my assets from creditors.


"Usually".   Ergo,   in the new law that should be passed governing liens for restitution to victims of crimes,  this class of creditor should be exempted from that.   Yes,  it's not that way now.....but it'd be a pretty simple legislative fix.
 
2014-03-11 09:29:06 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: proteus_b: inclemency: Was Mr King the aggressor?

Actually, yes. Until he was subdued and then the police became the aggressors. But driving 100 mph in a residential neighborhood and then lunging at police officers is certainly considered aggressive behavior. Doesn't mean they had to beat him half to death.

Meh - I've gone through it in detail before....but I wasn't old enough when the events happened to really pay attention.  I thought it was racist white cops beat innocent black man.  The truth was very, very different.  King went on to have a miserable life with continued DUIs, continued police chases, continued drug abuse and violence.  The guy had a record at the time, was incredibly intoxicated, speeding through residential areas, resisting arrest and fighting police.

It's all be analysed to death, but they have a detailed account of each and every little thing that happened.  I forget the exact numbers, but he was hit 64 times and 58 were considered perfectly lawful.  The remaining six were deemed excessive.  He wasn't laying on the ground motionless while people hit him 64 times, he was actively fighting the police long enough to be hit 58 times....

Racial inequality is a real thing, and I'm all for fixing it.  But using Rodney King as a shining example of 'the man' keeping people down was disgusting, IMHO.  The other black guys in the car with Mr. King who didn't attack the police were arrested without incident.  No beatings, no abuse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King


He wasn't just laying on the ground because several officers were trying to beat him to death.  Even when he stopped moving, they continued beating him.  At a certain point, instinct will kick in and you will try to escape, no matter how futile that effort will be.

Also, the LAPD allowed the riot to get out of control as a means to punish the city of Los Angeles for having dared put several of their own on trial.  How dare we mere peasants demand they abide by the law.
 
2014-03-12 08:24:33 AM  
can't tell you how proud I am of the fine americans that are against the death penalty
however, maybe the families of the murdered could see some of that cash
at least that could be a light in the tunnel
 
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