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(WHAS 11 Louisville)   Convicted killer of 7 ordered to pay $500k in restitution. Oh, did I say "pay"? I meant "receive"   (whas11.com) divider line 84
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2014-03-11 07:06:00 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: PunGent: dready zim: Why do people have so much trouble in seeing that the person who got beat by the guard was innocent as they had not been convicted yet?

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That *IS* the way you would like your law to work isn`t it?

Am I misreading the article?  I thought he was convicted of the seven killings, then beaten in prison (not jail.)

Doesn't excuse the beating though, just saying.
As best as I can tell....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown's_Chicken_massacre 

The murders happened in 1993.
He (the killer) was arrested in 2002.
He (the killer) was beaten in 2002.
In 2003 the guard who beat him was acquitted of criminal charges.
In 2004 the killer sued the guard in civil court....but the case was put on hold pending the murder case.
In 2007 his partner was found guilty of 7 counts of murder.
In 2009 he was found guilty of 7 counts of murder.
The civil case was just ended recently.

I hope I'm wrong on the dates, because this is disgusting.  Arrested in 2002....convicted in 2009.  How is that even possible?


Seven years for a potentially capital murder case?  easy.  Lots of discovery, lots of motions on both sides, crowded docket, shortage of judges.  I've argued cases in leaky trailers attached to courthouses here in Mass, and there are states worse off when it comes to their judicial infrastructure.

Civil litigation can take even longer...look at that Chevron case from Guatemala that just got dismissed...original alleged pollution was back in '92 or so.
 
2014-03-11 07:14:57 AM  
Where's the ObamaCare Death Panel when you need them?
 
2014-03-11 07:20:30 AM  
He will make a fine CEO someday.
 
2014-03-11 07:22:32 AM  
The man convicted of perpetrating one of the most gruesome and notorious mass killings in Chicago-area history has been awarded nearly a half million dollars in a civil lawsuit against a prison guard accused of punching him in the face.

So if you're upset, be upset at this guard that's unfit for his job.
 
2014-03-11 07:38:30 AM  

PsychoLaurie: Actually, what must happen next is for the families of the 7 victims to file a lawsuit for restitution. Granted, the families won't see anywhere close to the $500K, but it would keep it off of this asshat's books.


Plus the state can charge him for his confinement.  20k a year for Menard.  25k if he wants a view of the Mississippi and a dailywake up rape.
 
2014-03-11 07:40:04 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: 25k if he wants a view of the Mississippi and a dailywake up rape.


Gives a whole new meaning to getting tucked in at night.
 
2014-03-11 07:43:10 AM  
Approves (of the beating)

jmount43.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-11 07:47:35 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: PunGent: dready zim: Why do people have so much trouble in seeing that the person who got beat by the guard was innocent as they had not been convicted yet?

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That *IS* the way you would like your law to work isn`t it?

Am I misreading the article?  I thought he was convicted of the seven killings, then beaten in prison (not jail.)

Doesn't excuse the beating though, just saying.
As best as I can tell....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown's_Chicken_massacre 

The murders happened in 1993.
He (the killer) was arrested in 2002.
He (the killer) was beaten in 2002.
In 2003 the guard who beat him was acquitted of criminal charges.
In 2004 the killer sued the guard in civil court....but the case was put on hold pending the murder case.
In 2007 his partner was found guilty of 7 counts of murder.
In 2009 he was found guilty of 7 counts of murder.
The civil case was just ended recently.

I hope I'm wrong on the dates, because this is disgusting.  Arrested in 2002....convicted in 2009.  How is that even possible?


There are guys sitting in prison cells that have only been charged and never seen a court room yet. I had a friend that was in one of the worst county prisons in the country for 2 months before he ever saw a judge or lawyer. He saw his lawyer the day of the court proceeding, saw the judge and was out within a day. He was never convicted because the charges were dropped. That 2 months in County almost killed him.

Innocent till proven guilty my big, white ass!
 
2014-03-11 07:47:57 AM  
On the plus side, he now has 500k for his victims families to sue for.

I know it probably doesn't work that way...
 
2014-03-11 07:49:19 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: proteus_b: inclemency: Was Mr King the aggressor?

Actually, yes. Until he was subdued and then the police became the aggressors. But driving 100 mph in a residential neighborhood and then lunging at police officers is certainly considered aggressive behavior. Doesn't mean they had to beat him half to death.

Meh - I've gone through it in detail before....but I wasn't old enough when the events happened to really pay attention.  I thought it was racist white cops beat innocent black man.  The truth was very, very different.  King went on to have a miserable life with continued DUIs, continued police chases, continued drug abuse and violence.  The guy had a record at the time, was incredibly intoxicated, speeding through residential areas, resisting arrest and fighting police.

It's all be analysed to death, but they have a detailed account of each and every little thing that happened.  I forget the exact numbers, but he was hit 64 times and 58 were considered perfectly lawful.  The remaining six were deemed excessive.  He wasn't laying on the ground motionless while people hit him 64 times, he was actively fighting the police long enough to be hit 58 times....

Racial inequality is a real thing, and I'm all for fixing it.  But using Rodney King as a shining example of 'the man' keeping people down was disgusting, IMHO.  The other black guys in the car with Mr. King who didn't attack the police were arrested without incident.  No beatings, no abuse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King


To be fair, kicking a man's ass that bad is rather exhausting. They were too worn out to do it a few more times.
 
2014-03-11 07:52:21 AM  
i879.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-11 07:59:49 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: It's all be analysed to death, but they have a detailed account of each and every little thing that happened.


The LAPD gave their account, eh? Has to be 100% legit.

 I forget the exact numbers, but he was hit 64 times and 58 were considered perfectly lawful.  The remaining six were deemed excessive.  He wasn't laying on the ground motionless while people hit him 64 times, he was actively fighting the police long enough to be hit 58 times....

Hilarious. If you think that guy was doing anything besides getting his ass kicked, you're insane. You can watch the tape, he's in defensive positions the entire time.
 
2014-03-11 08:05:13 AM  

bunner: [www.lynchthehangman.com image 300x391]


It'd be terrible if he decided to hang himself in his cell before he got paid.


After shooting himself several times in the head with a guard's gun?
 
2014-03-11 08:06:23 AM  

inclemency: I read the headline and saw the picture of the cretin.

For my personal sanity I didn't investigate further. May that obviously guilty man burn forever.

I'm running so low on empathy for white trash (this guy) that I can't even pretend to care anymore. Let Palin burn with him. Oh, and Limbaugh and definetely Rafael Cruz. (And Chris Christie).


Racist.
 
2014-03-11 08:14:09 AM  
This is why we shouldn't have to have victims/family of victims need to sue for restitution/damages.   That should be included in the original punishment....monetary compensation along with whatever else.    Don't have the money?  No problem,   lifelong lien against you until you can pay it back.

Boom,  no new court cases needed....money never actually sees this guy's account, it's immediately redirected to victim's families.    Money he receives working prison jobs?   Yeah,  about that....
 
2014-03-11 08:42:53 AM  
To those saying "funnel the cash to the victims", usually a cash reward given to the victim of a crime cannot be attached by creditors even if those creditors were also the victim of a crime.  Look up "exempt assets".

Unfortunately I am well versed in protecting my assets from creditors.
 
2014-03-11 08:58:03 AM  
Since Brown's Chicken and Pasta lost 35% of their business following the murders and the courts say companies are just like people now, can't they sue him for lost revenue?
 
2014-03-11 09:28:00 AM  
How much is that in cigarettes?
 
2014-03-11 09:34:25 AM  

StanTheMan: fusillade762: This is why prison guards should be required to wear cameras when they're on the job. Cops, too.

Yep. So we wouldn't get dumb bunny comments like this:

Fark It: I agree, it's asinine that a Cook County sheriff's deputy beat an inmate so severely he had to have metal plates put into his head.

Do you realize a single punch in the face can cause you to require metal plates? People have been *killed* by one punch.

You sound like a liberal who's never been in a fight in his life, let alone worked in law enforcement with scumbags trying to kill you.


Really, that's your argument?  It's ok because, hey, when you're beating someone shiat happens?

/Oh yeah, LIBERALS!
 
2014-03-11 09:52:52 AM  

Captain James T. Smirk: While I can't condone a prison guard assaulting an inmate without "imminent harm" provocation, I am certainly okay with this guy having his face broken.

As for the judgement, I can also understand awarding him a civil suit for the assault, but 500K seems...excessive. Although between legal fees and probable restitution to the families of his victims, I suppose he's not likely to see much of it.

I like the idea of a permanent cycle...break his jaw, pay him a hundred grand, award his hundred grand to the victim's families, break his jaw again, award another hundred grand...

"Honey, the roofing company are saying that they might go a little over their budget on the garage"

"Oh, alright, let me put in a call to the prison and have them rough up Degorski a little. What do you think, broken jaw?"

"They said it looks like the leak is spreading to the roof over the living room, too"

"Hmm, okay, I guess I'll let them know to take an ear, too."

I don't normally condone this type of thinking, but in this particular case, let him have it. Still remember that day vividly.
 
2014-03-11 10:00:35 AM  
Laws are only for the bad people. It's fine if the good people break laws. It's like you guys haven't been paying attention for the past five thousand years.
 
2014-03-11 11:32:46 AM  
So wait... you mean to tell me that people convicted of a crime still have rights under the law?

This is brand new information.
 
2014-03-11 11:57:56 AM  
That's the Chicago Way™

assets.nydailynews.com
 
2014-03-11 12:22:26 PM  
emaram500: inclemency: I read the headline and saw the picture of the cretin.

For my personal sanity I didn't investigate further. May that obviously guilty man burn forever.

I'm running so low on empathy for white trash (this guy) that I can't even pretend to care anymore. Let Palin burn with him. Oh, and Limbaugh and definetely Rafael Cruz. (And Chris Christie).

You can add Piyush Jindal. That piece of crap has ruined Louisiana far more than anyone else in the past century.


will do.
 
2014-03-11 12:28:09 PM  

Farabor: This is why we shouldn't have to have victims/family of victims need to sue for restitution/damages.   That should be included in the original punishment....monetary compensation along with whatever else.    Don't have the money?  No problem,   lifelong lien against you until you can pay it back.

Boom,  no new court cases needed....money never actually sees this guy's account, it's immediately redirected to victim's families.    Money he receives working prison jobs?   Yeah,  about that....


That's right - we should continue to punish someone for as long as possible for a single crime they committed. No one should ever receive a second chance, a new start, or catch a break. Because every crime should have a life-long punishment, which will never ever go away. This will in no way result in negative economic and social repercussions, lead to the creation of a permanent underclass, or cause discord and rebellion.
 
2014-03-11 12:56:29 PM  
It was a Browns Chicken, not a diner like the article repeatedly states.
I'd like to buy the guard a beer.

/lived about a mile away at the time.
 
2014-03-11 02:13:15 PM  
Well I'm sure the family of his victims will enjoy the money. Just as soon  as they fill wrongful death suit.
 
2014-03-11 03:37:15 PM  

JK47: ...and now he has assets which his victims can sue for and obtain a judgment against.


Sadly, I suspect the statute of limitations for filing has long since run out, so unless there is a standing judgment, there probably is no recourse.
 
2014-03-11 03:52:06 PM  

HoratioGates: JK47: ...and now he has assets which his victims can sue for and obtain a judgment against.

Sadly, I suspect the statute of limitations for filing has long since run out, so unless there is a standing judgment, there probably is no recourse.



That's what I was hoping for...that they'd at least established liability and had just held off on trying to attach the judgment to assets.
 
2014-03-11 04:10:45 PM  

JK47: ...and now he has assets which his victims can sue for and obtain a judgment against.


Yep. Karma would be if he gets the shiat severely kicked out of him 6 more times, so each of his victim's family gets thier own settlement vicariously through his horrific injuries over the years. I'm not saying I want that to happen - but it would be interesting karma.
 
2014-03-11 05:41:11 PM  

phyrkrakr: Farabor: This is why we shouldn't have to have victims/family of victims need to sue for restitution/damages.   That should be included in the original punishment....monetary compensation along with whatever else.    Don't have the money?  No problem,   lifelong lien against you until you can pay it back.

Boom,  no new court cases needed....money never actually sees this guy's account, it's immediately redirected to victim's families.    Money he receives working prison jobs?   Yeah,  about that....

That's right - we should continue to punish someone for as long as possible for a single crime they committed. No one should ever receive a second chance, a new start, or catch a break. Because every crime should have a life-long punishment, which will never ever go away. This will in no way result in negative economic and social repercussions, lead to the creation of a permanent underclass, or cause discord and rebellion.


No,  not continually.   Just until restitution is made to the victims of their crime.   What, are you saying victims don't deserve restitution?
 
2014-03-11 05:43:24 PM  

TheCableGuy: To those saying "funnel the cash to the victims", usually a cash reward given to the victim of a crime cannot be attached by creditors even if those creditors were also the victim of a crime.  Look up "exempt assets".

Unfortunately I am well versed in protecting my assets from creditors.


"Usually".   Ergo,   in the new law that should be passed governing liens for restitution to victims of crimes,  this class of creditor should be exempted from that.   Yes,  it's not that way now.....but it'd be a pretty simple legislative fix.
 
2014-03-11 09:29:06 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: proteus_b: inclemency: Was Mr King the aggressor?

Actually, yes. Until he was subdued and then the police became the aggressors. But driving 100 mph in a residential neighborhood and then lunging at police officers is certainly considered aggressive behavior. Doesn't mean they had to beat him half to death.

Meh - I've gone through it in detail before....but I wasn't old enough when the events happened to really pay attention.  I thought it was racist white cops beat innocent black man.  The truth was very, very different.  King went on to have a miserable life with continued DUIs, continued police chases, continued drug abuse and violence.  The guy had a record at the time, was incredibly intoxicated, speeding through residential areas, resisting arrest and fighting police.

It's all be analysed to death, but they have a detailed account of each and every little thing that happened.  I forget the exact numbers, but he was hit 64 times and 58 were considered perfectly lawful.  The remaining six were deemed excessive.  He wasn't laying on the ground motionless while people hit him 64 times, he was actively fighting the police long enough to be hit 58 times....

Racial inequality is a real thing, and I'm all for fixing it.  But using Rodney King as a shining example of 'the man' keeping people down was disgusting, IMHO.  The other black guys in the car with Mr. King who didn't attack the police were arrested without incident.  No beatings, no abuse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King


He wasn't just laying on the ground because several officers were trying to beat him to death.  Even when he stopped moving, they continued beating him.  At a certain point, instinct will kick in and you will try to escape, no matter how futile that effort will be.

Also, the LAPD allowed the riot to get out of control as a means to punish the city of Los Angeles for having dared put several of their own on trial.  How dare we mere peasants demand they abide by the law.
 
2014-03-12 08:24:33 AM  
can't tell you how proud I am of the fine americans that are against the death penalty
however, maybe the families of the murdered could see some of that cash
at least that could be a light in the tunnel
 
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