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(RYOT.org)   Sigma Alpha Epsilon just banned pledging because too many people died in the process. They'll now put new recruits through the "True Gentleman Experience," which sounds like the name of a male strip club   (ryot.org) divider line 82
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2014-03-10 11:35:44 PM  
John Walter Wayland, IIRC was one of the original members of SAE at Alabama in 1856.
 
2014-03-10 11:39:51 PM  

discount sushi: Sounds like it should involve gentleman sausage...


Wedding vegetable. That is all.
 
2014-03-10 11:41:48 PM  

buckler: CygnusDarius: buckler: CTRL-F "top-shelf pussy"

Not found.

This will never work.

Glad I'm not the only one.

/There were no frat houses in the college I went to
//Architecture School, however, has an inhuman, cruel, and mind-vending ritual
///The five-day all-niter

What, you could just BUY a new brain with the knowledge you need already installed? That must have been handy.


USB brains are really useful for those long hours of work. Offload your current brain to rest, insert your USB brain for two hours, and put back your old brain, now feeling rested.

/Side effects may include your USB brain trying to take control of your life
//Consult your psychologist before use
 
2014-03-10 11:51:58 PM  

lonerancher: John Walter Wayland, IIRC was one of the original members of SAE at Alabama in 1856.


No, he wasn't even an SAE during his lifetime. He was initiated posthumously in the 1920's with the consent of his family.
 
2014-03-10 11:54:04 PM  

FDR Jones: lonerancher: John Walter Wayland, IIRC was one of the original members of SAE at Alabama in 1856.

No, he wasn't even an SAE during his lifetime. He was initiated posthumously in the 1920's with the consent of his family.


Right you are.  It has been many years since I have re-read our history.  I still remember some of the original 8.
 
2014-03-10 11:55:02 PM  

FDR Jones: lonerancher: John Walter Wayland, IIRC was one of the original members of SAE at Alabama in 1856.

No, he wasn't even an SAE during his lifetime. He was initiated posthumously in the 1920's with the consent of his family.


Er, wait, not the 1920's. The convention is every 2 years, so 66th convention was more like 1988.
 
2014-03-10 11:59:03 PM  
Another alum that is fairly disappointed with the elimination of pledgeship

I wasn't hazed and I certainly didn't haze those that came after me. To this day I consider my experience as a pledge to be some of the most meaningful time in my life. The purpose of going through a pledge program is to integrate into a lifelong social structure - a microcosm of the larger college experience - and build a lasting relationship with your pledge class peers. If it doesn't work for you it is far easier to walk away during the trial period. If it does work the friends you make will be for life. I was a pledge almost 25 years ago and my experience for those four months carries some of my best memories. I don't know why the directors would want to eliminate that. Sadly it won't do a thing to eliminate abuse or alcohol-related risks that college students - Greek or independent - face.

ΦA
 
2014-03-10 11:59:53 PM  
So will there still be drinking and rape included or will it just be rape now ?
 
2014-03-11 12:10:52 AM  

madgonad: Another alum that is fairly disappointed with the elimination of pledgeship

I wasn't hazed and I certainly didn't haze those that came after me. To this day I consider my experience as a pledge to be some of the most meaningful time in my life. The purpose of going through a pledge program is to integrate into a lifelong social structure - a microcosm of the larger college experience - and build a lasting relationship with your pledge class peers. If it doesn't work for you it is far easier to walk away during the trial period. If it does work the friends you make will be for life. I was a pledge almost 25 years ago and my experience for those four months carries some of my best memories. I don't know why the directors would want to eliminate that. Sadly it won't do a thing to eliminate abuse or alcohol-related risks that college students - Greek or independent - face.

ΦA


Hey, just curious, I was never a pledge, so I was just wondering if you could be a little more specific. What did you do as a pledge that was so rewarding that you couldn't have done if you were made a full member at the time you accepted a bid? I'm also curious how many pledges (%) dropped out. I just can't see how provisional membership can be the ONLY way to forge lasting bonds between members.
 
2014-03-11 12:11:12 AM  

SpiderQueenDemon: And then you got to roll your first character sheet.

It's a wonderful organization. We do fun stuff.


Sounds like a fantastic organization!  I totally would have joined up if I went to the same school as you did.

I was part of a fraternity that measured the success of its parties by how many cop cars showed up (I think our record was seven, when I was there).  That said, being a "scholastic" fraternity we also balanced our social lives with mandatory study times (had to keep up that stereotype) and had regular volunteer activities in the community.  We had a few bad apples in the bunch, but mostly because of youth related stupidity.  All in all, it was a really good experience for me, even with the hazing (except this one time with dog food, but that's another story).

I can also say with pride (pardon the incoming pun) that one brother came out of the closet a few years after graduation.  We all supported him when he gave us the news and he's still a welcome part of our lives (He has a husband and two kids now; the bros celebrated when he was allowed to marry).  I like to think our fraternity is more level headed than most and believe that there is good to the whole "brotherhood" experience.

/pineapple.  You'd know the reference if you were a part.
 
2014-03-11 12:11:52 AM  

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I have no idea if that's in the wrong thread or not, but I don't care, I love it.
 
2014-03-11 12:12:37 AM  

FDR Jones: FDR Jones: lonerancher: John Walter Wayland, IIRC was one of the original members of SAE at Alabama in 1856.

No, he wasn't even an SAE during his lifetime. He was initiated posthumously in the 1920's with the consent of his family.

Er, wait, not the 1920's. The convention is every 2 years, so 66th convention was more like 1988.




What about John Wayne Gacey?
 
2014-03-11 12:12:51 AM  

FDR Jones: lonerancher: John Walter Wayland, IIRC was one of the original members of SAE at Alabama in 1856.

No, he wasn't even an SAE during his lifetime. He was initiated posthumously in the 1920's with the consent of his family.


Just for fun, let's make him Mormon, too.
 
2014-03-11 12:32:23 AM  
lazymojo:
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"I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!"
 
2014-03-11 12:36:49 AM  

FDR Jones: Hey, just curious, I was never a pledge, so I was just wondering if you could be a little more specific. What did you do as a pledge that was so rewarding that you couldn't have done if you were made a full member at the time you accepted a bid?


Part of the hazing rituals were to do things you wouldn't normally do.   In many cases, it's to make you more comfortable with yourself because after you do it, you realize that "that wasn't too awful-- that was kinda fun."  One memorable activity was to go for a jog at dusk wearing nothing but your underwear and shoes.  Not streaking, mind you.  This activity was to ease you into the whole experience (This was the second activity we had to do after accepting our bids).  I remember some sorority girls "discovered" us and started to follow in their moped, beeping all the way, making it a mortifying experience at the time.  Now I look back and think it was hilarious.

I know some of you did this-- and more explicit activities-- when you were in school.  But for those of us who needed a little more of a push...

Other activities made you work together.  Those were designed to have you leave the pledging with "bonds formed from mutual experience".  Most of it were just military style workouts in sync with your fellow pledges.  I can't go into much more detail than that, but they worked to a degree.  After pledging, you knew that all alums, active and inactive members have gone through similar experiences, and you have a link to them.  We have an annual Alumni BBQ-- Someone can mention the code word for one of those hazing rituals and you can all share a chuckle, no matter how old the other person is (a sixty year old geriatric and a twenty something graduate instantly laughing together over a common experience is a weird but amazing thing).  You all know what it's about.

Anyway, hope that gives you a sense of what it's all about, without giving you all the details of the gritty stuff.
 
2014-03-11 12:59:14 AM  

NerdCoreRageQuit: Anyway, hope that gives you a sense of what it's all about, without giving you all the details of the gritty stuff.


Thanks. I understand how experiencing adversity as a group can form bonds, but the guy I was replying to said they never did any hazing in his group, so I'm more curious as to what they go through that isn't hazing yet still forms a unique bond that can't be achieved by just being a member. I suppose this gets into what the definition of hazing is, though, which probably needs not to be discussed.
 
2014-03-11 01:03:52 AM  
Former frat guy giving my 2 cents: Hazing didn't involve physical abuse. We never got paddled or touched, even in a gay way, believe it or not. It was all designed to be a bonding experience and take satisfaction in knowing that you had endured the same bull shiat as the others before you. Verbal abuse, sleep deprivation, doing push-ups at 2 in the morning because one of your pledge brothers didn't clean the bathrooms properly (and thats the real purpose of pledges, to clean up shiat...you do it for one year and you're done. It's a seniority based co- op basically.) Good times, but I was "brothers" with a lot of guys I couldn't stand.

/20 years ago at a big 12 school
 
2014-03-11 01:05:17 AM  

FDR Jones: Thanks. I understand how experiencing adversity as a group can form bonds, but the guy I was replying to said they never did any hazing in his group, so I'm more curious as to what they go through that isn't hazing yet still forms a unique bond that can't be achieved by just being a member.


Oops, my bad.  Though now that you mention it, I'm curious now too!
 
2014-03-11 01:12:14 AM  

FunkOut: 8 inches: Is this the thread where I whine about how lame and secretly gay fraternities are?


/Was in a house and those memories are still my favorite and most fun.

This is where a Canadian who never lived anywhere where people do stuff like that wonders why American boys with money are so violent and kinky with their bonding rituals. That's some serious BDSM and emotional weirdness going on.


These are the same type of sociopaths that run our country and many of our big corporations. Is it any wonder that it's all swirling down the crapper?
 
2014-03-11 01:15:32 AM  
As far as I'm concerned, if some guy is willing to kneel naked with an orange stuck up his arse while wearing only an elk head and beg to be let into a fraternity, someone should be allowed to beat him to death.
 
2014-03-11 02:17:42 AM  

maram500: Molavian: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.

Actually...it was choir for me. No one would describe me as pencil-necked or pizza-faced (I'm chubby and never had to deal with acne, unlike you), and I'm gay. But thanks for playing. Also, I spent my undergrad career actually doing things that were important--working, studying, trying to find meaningful employment for after graduation. You, meanwhile, were...banging the campus hookers? Hope you can get rid of that syphilis before it turns your brain to Swiss cheese.

And that whole "brotherhood will last you a lifetime" shtick? It lasts until you (a) move away from your college town, where all your frat brothers who know you live and will continue to live until they die, (b) die yourself, or (c) find yourself on the wrong end of a murder charge, whereupon all your frat bros will instantly remember how much of a hateful, abusive piece of shiat you actually were.


Are you for real?

If so, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa!
 
2014-03-11 03:34:35 AM  

8 inches: Is this the thread where I whine about how lame and secretly gay fraternities are?


/Was in a house and those memories are still my favorite and most fun.


I'm sure you thoroughly enjoyed those gay orgies with your purchased friends.  It's good that you're able to admit it.

/The only people on campus dumber than frat boys are sorostitutes and football players.
 
2014-03-11 03:48:43 AM  
What a frat member may look like:

media.knoxnews.com

I mean, the world really needs more quotes like:

"Alexander Broughton, 20, was rushed to hospital unconscious after a rubber tube was inserted into his rectum and alcohol poured in.  The practice, known among students as 'butt chugging', took place during a party at the Pi Kappa Alpha House on the grounds of the University of Tennessee."
 
2014-03-11 06:46:46 AM  

DarkVader: "Alexander Broughton, 20, was rushed to hospital unconscious after a rubber tube was inserted into his rectum and alcohol poured in. The practice, known among students as 'butt chugging', took place during a party at the Pi Kappa Alpha House on the grounds of the University of Tennessee


Youhave to shwo the rest of his "brothers" standing him around backing him up at the press confrence.

farkingismybusiness: You peasant


That was some funny shiat.
 
2014-03-11 08:48:19 AM  
I wonder what the Society of Automotive Engineers thinks about all of this.

/something something lube something
 
2014-03-11 09:05:35 AM  
Why is anyone trying to stop frat boys from dying?

/thin the herd
 
2014-03-11 09:10:58 AM  

liam76: DarkVader: "Alexander Broughton, 20, was rushed to hospital unconscious after a rubber tube was inserted into his rectum and alcohol poured in. The practice, known among students as 'butt chugging', took place during a party at the Pi Kappa Alpha House on the grounds of the University of Tennessee

Youhave to shwo the rest of his "brothers" standing him around backing him up at the press confrence.


This one:

media.knoxnews.com

And this is what frat boys really do:

www.manolith.com
 
2014-03-11 09:42:01 AM  

FDR Jones: The True Gentleman is the man ...
who does not make the poor man conscious of his poverty,
the obscure man of his obscurity,
or any man of his inferiority or deformity


So the definition is basically "The true gentleman is rich, famous, superior and not disabled".
 
2014-03-11 09:44:21 AM  

madgonad: I was a pledge almost 25 years ago and my experience for those four months carries some of my best memories.


My sympathies. Hope the next 25 years go better for you.
 
2014-03-11 10:52:11 AM  

FDR Jones: madgonad: Another alum that is fairly disappointed with the elimination of pledgeship

I wasn't hazed and I certainly didn't haze those that came after me. To this day I consider my experience as a pledge to be some of the most meaningful time in my life. The purpose of going through a pledge program is to integrate into a lifelong social structure - a microcosm of the larger college experience - and build a lasting relationship with your pledge class peers. If it doesn't work for you it is far easier to walk away during the trial period. If it does work the friends you make will be for life. I was a pledge almost 25 years ago and my experience for those four months carries some of my best memories. I don't know why the directors would want to eliminate that. Sadly it won't do a thing to eliminate abuse or alcohol-related risks that college students - Greek or independent - face.

ΦA

Hey, just curious, I was never a pledge, so I was just wondering if you could be a little more specific. What did you do as a pledge that was so rewarding that you couldn't have done if you were made a full member at the time you accepted a bid? I'm also curious how many pledges (%) dropped out. I just can't see how provisional membership can be the ONLY way to forge lasting bonds between members.


Well, I went to a college that was about 80% Greek for men at the time. The rates for women were lower. So it wasn't terribly difficult to find a house that you fit-in with.

The first part of being a pledge is going through Rush. During the first week of school anyone that wanted to join a fraternity signed up and became a perspective. Over a few days you visit all of the houses in a social setting and meet the Brothers. No alcohol! No girls either, although Little Sisters were known to wear outfits with Greek letters on them and cheer outside or drive by the houses during the parties. After the first round of parties the perspectives would rank their favorites and the houses would do the same. Three more invites would go out for callback parties where houses and perspective ranks were in line. After those parties the Houses would offer a Bid to a preset number of perspectives. Nobody got more than one bid. And you wouldn't get a bid unless you ranked the house. I went Suicide my freshman year and only listed SAE since that was the only place I wanted to go. Once the bid was accepted you became a pledge.
Pledgeship lasted the first semester. Your pledge class worked together constantly. Voted our own president, VP, and treasurer. We did our own fundraisers to pay for pledge class activities. We got pledge moms and of course pledge dads. It was more than mentoring, as a freshman we were taking responsibility and developing leadership skills. Academic support was constant - no slipping behind. We took a class at the house every Sunday before chapter meetings (pledges attended all but closed portions) and learned about the history of the fraternity. Yes, we were quized over it.
Of course pledges did have the privilege of cleaning up after parties (Work Party, 8am!)
The pledge class usually did a WalkOut (capture 2-3 actives and travel to a different SAE house to party for the weekend) and a lot of other miscellaneous activities. The pledges also threw a special party, Fly Alpha, in which the pledge barricade-off the common room for a couple days and transform it into a surprise theme for a party. Of course actives try to break in throughout, but that is half of the fun.
Finally in January is Hell Week. This generally entailed wearing a suit all day and spending off hours doing projects around the house and doing lineups where we were mock-hazed. All in good fun and never abusive.
Only one member of my pledge class dropped out, and he moved off campus and got married.
 
2014-03-11 11:05:07 AM  

maram500: Actually...it was choir for me. No one would describe me as pencil-necked or pizza-faced (I'm chubby and never had to deal with acne, unlike you), and I'm gay. But thanks for playing. Also, I spent my undergrad career actually doing things that were important--working, studying, trying to find meaningful employment for after graduation. You, meanwhile, were...banging the campus hookers? Hope you can get rid of that syphilis before it turns your brain to Swiss cheese.

And that whole "brotherhood will last you a lifetime" shtick? It lasts until you (a) move away from your college town, where all your frat brothers who know you live and will continue to live until they die, (b) die yourself, or (c) find yourself on the wrong end of a murder charge, whereupon all your frat bros will instantly remember how much of a hateful, abusive piece of shiat you actually were.


i1.wp.com
 
2014-03-11 03:37:53 PM  
DarkVader:

You... really have a skewed view of things, don't you?  Almost like a Republican Senator condemning gays with a preconceived notion of what their lives must be like at lonely truck stops.

Can't speak for your experiences with them, but not all fraternities are the same.
 
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