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(RYOT.org)   Sigma Alpha Epsilon just banned pledging because too many people died in the process. They'll now put new recruits through the "True Gentleman Experience," which sounds like the name of a male strip club   (ryot.org) divider line 82
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2014-03-10 09:24:59 PM  
So no more naked spankings?
 
2014-03-10 09:28:54 PM  
Why "Pinto"?
 
2014-03-10 09:29:36 PM  
The frats that actually have experience in the matter and know what they're doing would never force-feed you alcohol or beat you on parts of the body not hidden by clothing....     This is all hazing 101.

I'd say the hardest hazing frats in the country have been doing it for 150 years, and know by now what is and isn't going to kill somebody.
 
2014-03-10 09:31:59 PM  
Meanwhile, the ECU chapter of Phi Alpha Theta will continue to haze incoming students by making them play underpowered Battletech lances.
 
2014-03-10 09:32:02 PM  
Those are the grey aliens with the big heads, right?
 
2014-03-10 09:32:54 PM  
Is this the thread where I whine about how lame and secretly gay fraternities are?


/Was in a house and those memories are still my favorite and most fun.
 
2014-03-10 09:34:43 PM  

8 inches: Is this the thread where I whine about how lame and secretly gay fraternities are?


/Was in a house and those memories are still my favorite and most fun.


No, this is the thread where frat boys call haters "just jealous".
 
2014-03-10 09:35:41 PM  
Someone. Anyone. Everyone.
 
2014-03-10 09:38:59 PM  
All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.
 
2014-03-10 09:40:42 PM  

drewogatory: 8 inches: Is this the thread where I whine about how lame and secretly gay fraternities are?


/Was in a house and those memories are still my favorite and most fun.

No, this is the thread where frat boys call haters "just jealous".


Whynotboth?

/AGR
 
2014-03-10 09:41:34 PM  
My student org had an initiation ritual. One had to perform twelve good deeds without getting any public credit or recognition (only your fellow members could know it was you and the good deeds were verified,) spend three hours doing something kind for someone who could never repay you (volunteer work at the animal shelter was a popular choice,) and then you had to decorate an elaborate hat, wear it to the meeting and your fellow members would decide your new name based on what qualities you displayed and some personality things about you. Your new name would be announced, you would accept it by eating the red Skittle and everyone would drink a toast with huge mugs of soda.

And then you got to roll your first character sheet.

It's a wonderful organization. We do fun stuff.
 
2014-03-10 09:42:08 PM  
They say they're banning pledging but I don't believe it. If they actually gave a shiat they'd have stopped or at the very least SERIOUSLY rethought the way they did things after the first death. They didnt, so they're completely retarded, and are probably continuing pledging in secret, and will get caught when someone else dies.

I dont get the mind set, when every year theres at least one story coming out of someone dying or almost dying and whatever school/group they were with gets hit with a big scandal, but the other fraternities/sororities just go "Who cares! LET IT RIDE!"

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Its baffling
 
2014-03-10 09:42:55 PM  
No one ever died from just casually drinking beer, just like no one's died from casually smoking marijuana.
 
2014-03-10 09:44:55 PM  
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2014-03-10 09:51:57 PM  

Alebak: They say they're banning pledging but I don't believe it. If they actually gave a shiat they'd have stopped or at the very least SERIOUSLY rethought the way they did things after the first death. They didnt, so they're completely retarded, and are probably continuing pledging in secret, and will get caught when someone else dies.

I dont get the mind set, when every year theres at least one story coming out of someone dying or almost dying and whatever school/group they were with gets hit with a big scandal, but the other fraternities/sororities just go "Who cares! LET IT RIDE!"


Its baffling


No, they are banning it. I know some former SAEs and they are pissed about it. I was never in a fraternity, and don't really have an opinion.
 
2014-03-10 09:55:33 PM  

skinink: Why "Pinto"?

"WHY NOT?!?"


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Heh.  We just watched that movie here yesterday.  Wife is not American, so we're catching up on our "dumb American movie classics" I feel she needs to see.

(next up: Top Gun, then Major League)
 
2014-03-10 09:56:09 PM  
The college I just graduated from couldn't ban frats because they're part of SUNY (SUNY allows it everywhere else, I guess), but the private Uni that is literally across the street banned them several years ago because there were a few incidents that resulted in injured/dead students, within a couple of months. It's a small town with very little else to do, so I think if the SUNY school could have legally gotten away with it, they'd also have banned them.

For all that, the student activity groups were amazingly good at putting together events to keep people occupied.

/so glad I lived off campus though
 
2014-03-10 09:57:19 PM  
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"Hate to allow a few bad apples to ruin the bunch."
 
2014-03-10 09:58:37 PM  
My dad was part of Sigma Alpha Epsilon and he told me

/got nuthin'
 
2014-03-10 10:03:33 PM  
"The True Gentleman Experience, murder, arson, and the True Gentleman Experience."
 
2014-03-10 10:07:24 PM  
If you stand around and let someone slowly kill you by process of hazing, isn't that just Darwin knocking?
 
2014-03-10 10:11:07 PM  

8 inches: Is this the thread where I whine about how lame and secretly gay fraternities are?


Secretly?
 
2014-03-10 10:14:57 PM  
"The True Gentleman Experience"

Mensur duels?
 
2014-03-10 10:15:54 PM  

8 inches: Is this the thread where I whine about how lame and secretly gay fraternities are?


/Was in a house and those memories are still my favorite and most fun.


This is where a Canadian who never lived anywhere where people do stuff like that wonders why American boys with money are so violent and kinky with their bonding rituals. That's some serious BDSM and emotional weirdness going on.
 
2014-03-10 10:16:57 PM  
While we were a tiny chapter with no house or anything like that, hazing just wasn't an issue. Party people were "big brothers" to party people, academics to academics, social leaders with social leaders, etc.
And the chapter was better for the diverse mix. I hope the TrueGentleman Experience helps guides bigger chapters yet doesn't stifle those still in line with the principles.

/phialpha
 
2014-03-10 10:17:09 PM  
"Our Founding Fathers had a tradition of weekly scholarly essays that members were required to write and present to further their academic interests and further advance the educational abilities of other members. "

I can only imagine the essays written by modern frat members:  "Bros Before Hos", "The Art of Sticking Your Dick In Crazy", etc.
 
2014-03-10 10:21:46 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: Someone. Anyone. Everyone.


Same Arseholes Everywhere
 
2014-03-10 10:22:23 PM  
All this is going to do is cause them to take the pledging underground. NPHC banned pledging to stop hazing, and they still haze the living crap out of new members.
 
2014-03-10 10:24:56 PM  
Article advocated checking out MADD at the end. RYOT confirmed for troll site.
 
2014-03-10 10:25:13 PM  
True Gentleman Experience sounds like what you get when you pay for a male escort.
 
2014-03-10 10:25:29 PM  
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You peasant.
 
2014-03-10 10:28:41 PM  

skinink: Why "Pinto"?


*BURP* Why not?
 
2014-03-10 10:36:25 PM  
Hopefully this isn't just re-branding of the same old spill.  Fraternities have gone to hell, ever since they all decided they wanted to be exactly like the one from Animal House.
 
2014-03-10 10:39:13 PM  

suburbanguy: veedeevadeevoodee: Someone. Anyone. Everyone.

Same Arseholes Everywhere


Sexual Assault Expected
 
2014-03-10 10:39:33 PM  

Alebak: They say they're banning pledging but I don't believe it. If they actually gave a shiat they'd have stopped or at the very least SERIOUSLY rethought the way they did things after the first death. They didnt, so they're completely retarded, and are probably continuing pledging in secret, and will get caught when someone else dies.


Hazing has been banned or illegal or both for many years now, but it has often been hard to enforce such a ban, especially when the leaders of the chapters are fellow undergrads. This action comes down from the national headquarters and takes some of the leverage away from the hazers. With pledgeship formally ended, the national organization gives the new guys their badges, membership certificate, etc. and the ritual will be performed on the spot. Anyone who used to haze no longer has the threat of denying membership to hold over a new member's head. Of course, some chapters will continue to haze in secret, but hopefully it won't be as easy to coerce the hazee into going along with it.

The national board (made up of alumni) made this decision. If the undergrads are really against it and want to continue to have leverage over the pledges and haze them, they will vote to repeal it at the national convention next summer. So, we will see if you are correct at that time. So far, the people against it seem to be a small minority and they really don't have much of a leg to stand on.
 
2014-03-10 10:39:58 PM  
but ookie cookie is still cool, right?
 
2014-03-10 10:48:46 PM  

Molavian: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


Actually...it was choir for me. No one would describe me as pencil-necked or pizza-faced (I'm chubby and never had to deal with acne, unlike you), and I'm gay. But thanks for playing. Also, I spent my undergrad career actually doing things that were important--working, studying, trying to find meaningful employment for after graduation. You, meanwhile, were...banging the campus hookers? Hope you can get rid of that syphilis before it turns your brain to Swiss cheese.

And that whole "brotherhood will last you a lifetime" shtick? It lasts until you (a) move away from your college town, where all your frat brothers who know you live and will continue to live until they die, (b) die yourself, or (c) find yourself on the wrong end of a murder charge, whereupon all your frat bros will instantly remember how much of a hateful, abusive piece of shiat you actually were.
 
2014-03-10 10:54:30 PM  
CTRL-F "top-shelf pussy"

Not found.

This will never work.
 
2014-03-10 10:56:42 PM  

buckler: CTRL-F "top-shelf pussy"

Not found.

This will never work.


Glad I'm not the only one.

/There were no frat houses in the college I went to
//Architecture School, however, has an inhuman, cruel, and mind-vending ritual
///The five-day all-niter
 
2014-03-10 11:02:34 PM  

PapaChester: While we were a tiny chapter with no house or anything like that, hazing just wasn't an issue. Party people were "big brothers" to party people, academics to academics, social leaders with social leaders, etc.
And the chapter was better for the diverse mix. I hope the TrueGentleman Experience helps guides bigger chapters yet doesn't stifle those still in line with the principles.

/phialpha


Hail to the purple, hail to the gold.  Phi Alpha
 
2014-03-10 11:04:06 PM  

CygnusDarius: buckler: CTRL-F "top-shelf pussy"

Not found.

This will never work.

Glad I'm not the only one.

/There were no frat houses in the college I went to
//Architecture School, however, has an inhuman, cruel, and mind-vending ritual
///The five-day all-niter


What, you could just BUY a new brain with the knowledge you need already installed? That must have been handy.
 
2014-03-10 11:04:24 PM  
Sounds like it should involve gentleman sausage...
 
2014-03-10 11:07:39 PM  
Not trying to advocate for fraternity life or anything, but this is the text of The True Gentleman, btw, some of you guys might actually like it. It was not written with the fraternity in mind, but IIRC as a response to a request from a Baltimore newspaper for readers to submit the definition of a true gentleman:

The True Gentleman is the man whose conduct proceeds
from good will and an acute sense of propriety
and whose self-control is equal to all emergencies;
who does not make the poor man conscious of his poverty,
the obscure man of his obscurity,
or any man of his inferiority or deformity;
who is himself humbled if necessity compels him to humble another;
who does not flatter wealth,
cringe before power,
or boast of his own possessions or achievements;
who speaks with frankness but always with sincerity and sympathy;
whose deed follows his word;
who thinks of the rights and feelings of others rather than his own;
and who appears well in any company;
a man with whom honor is sacred and virtue safe.

John Walter Wayland, 1899
 
2014-03-10 11:10:20 PM  

FDR Jones: Not trying to advocate for fraternity life or anything, but this is the text of The True Gentleman, btw, some of you guys might actually like it. It was not written with the fraternity in mind, but IIRC as a response to a request from a Baltimore newspaper for readers to submit the definition of a true gentleman:

The True Gentleman is the man whose conduct proceeds
from good will and an acute sense of propriety
and whose self-control is equal to all emergencies;
who does not make the poor man conscious of his poverty,
the obscure man of his obscurity,
or any man of his inferiority or deformity;
who is himself humbled if necessity compels him to humble another;
who does not flatter wealth,
cringe before power,
or boast of his own possessions or achievements;
who speaks with frankness but always with sincerity and sympathy;
whose deed follows his word;
who thinks of the rights and feelings of others rather than his own;
and who appears well in any company;
a man with whom honor is sacred and virtue safe.

John Walter Wayland, 1899


I like that. It's like something you'd see on that 'Art of Manliness' blog that had all the shaving and vintage-tie articles. (Does anyone who's not female and picking out clothes for her husband and presents for her dad ever read that site? And what is the opposite of the term 'sausage-fest'?)
 
2014-03-10 11:13:16 PM  

ladyfortuna: The college I just graduated from couldn't ban frats because they're part of SUNY (SUNY allows it everywhere else, I guess), but the private Uni that is literally across the street banned them several years ago because there were a few incidents that resulted in injured/dead students, within a couple of months. It's a small town with very little else to do, so I think if the SUNY school could have legally gotten away with it, they'd also have banned them.

For all that, the student activity groups were amazingly good at putting together events to keep people occupied.

/so glad I lived off campus though


Little to nothing describes most SUNY school towns, but two colleges can only mean one: Alfred?
 
2014-03-10 11:13:37 PM  

FDR Jones: Not trying to advocate for fraternity life or anything, but this is the text of The True Gentleman, btw, some of you guys might actually like it. It was not written with the fraternity in mind, but IIRC as a response to a request from a Baltimore newspaper for readers to submit the definition of a true gentleman:

The True Gentleman is the man whose conduct proceeds
from good will and an acute sense of propriety
and whose self-control is equal to all emergencies;
who does not make the poor man conscious of his poverty,
the obscure man of his obscurity,
or any man of his inferiority or deformity;
who is himself humbled if necessity compels him to humble another;
who does not flatter wealth,
cringe before power,
or boast of his own possessions or achievements;
who speaks with frankness but always with sincerity and sympathy;
whose deed follows his word;
who thinks of the rights and feelings of others rather than his own;
and who appears well in any company;
a man with whom honor is sacred and virtue safe.

John Walter Wayland, 1899


That's actually pretty great. It shares a lot of commonality with the medieval Code of Chivalry, one rule of which, as I recall is to "treat thy lessors as thy equals, and thy equals as thy betters."
 
2014-03-10 11:14:02 PM  
SpiderQueenDemon: And what is the opposite of the term 'sausage-fest'?)

Clam bake?
 
2014-03-10 11:15:06 PM  

SpiderQueenDemon: And what is the opposite of the term 'sausage-fest'?


Clam party? Taco soiree? Beef Curtain Draping Ceremony?
 
2014-03-10 11:22:46 PM  
Come on.  I think fraternities are basically a bunch of worse-than-useless sociopathic assholes who only ever do a good thing to try to fool people into thinking they aren't a complete waste of life, but now you're telling that frats are no longer going to do the one single thing that frats do that is good for society (i.e., killing frat boys)?
 
2014-03-10 11:27:50 PM  
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2014-03-10 11:35:44 PM  
John Walter Wayland, IIRC was one of the original members of SAE at Alabama in 1856.
 
2014-03-10 11:39:51 PM  

discount sushi: Sounds like it should involve gentleman sausage...


Wedding vegetable. That is all.
 
2014-03-10 11:41:48 PM  

buckler: CygnusDarius: buckler: CTRL-F "top-shelf pussy"

Not found.

This will never work.

Glad I'm not the only one.

/There were no frat houses in the college I went to
//Architecture School, however, has an inhuman, cruel, and mind-vending ritual
///The five-day all-niter

What, you could just BUY a new brain with the knowledge you need already installed? That must have been handy.


USB brains are really useful for those long hours of work. Offload your current brain to rest, insert your USB brain for two hours, and put back your old brain, now feeling rested.

/Side effects may include your USB brain trying to take control of your life
//Consult your psychologist before use
 
2014-03-10 11:51:58 PM  

lonerancher: John Walter Wayland, IIRC was one of the original members of SAE at Alabama in 1856.


No, he wasn't even an SAE during his lifetime. He was initiated posthumously in the 1920's with the consent of his family.
 
2014-03-10 11:54:04 PM  

FDR Jones: lonerancher: John Walter Wayland, IIRC was one of the original members of SAE at Alabama in 1856.

No, he wasn't even an SAE during his lifetime. He was initiated posthumously in the 1920's with the consent of his family.


Right you are.  It has been many years since I have re-read our history.  I still remember some of the original 8.
 
2014-03-10 11:55:02 PM  

FDR Jones: lonerancher: John Walter Wayland, IIRC was one of the original members of SAE at Alabama in 1856.

No, he wasn't even an SAE during his lifetime. He was initiated posthumously in the 1920's with the consent of his family.


Er, wait, not the 1920's. The convention is every 2 years, so 66th convention was more like 1988.
 
2014-03-10 11:59:03 PM  
Another alum that is fairly disappointed with the elimination of pledgeship

I wasn't hazed and I certainly didn't haze those that came after me. To this day I consider my experience as a pledge to be some of the most meaningful time in my life. The purpose of going through a pledge program is to integrate into a lifelong social structure - a microcosm of the larger college experience - and build a lasting relationship with your pledge class peers. If it doesn't work for you it is far easier to walk away during the trial period. If it does work the friends you make will be for life. I was a pledge almost 25 years ago and my experience for those four months carries some of my best memories. I don't know why the directors would want to eliminate that. Sadly it won't do a thing to eliminate abuse or alcohol-related risks that college students - Greek or independent - face.

ΦA
 
2014-03-10 11:59:53 PM  
So will there still be drinking and rape included or will it just be rape now ?
 
2014-03-11 12:10:52 AM  

madgonad: Another alum that is fairly disappointed with the elimination of pledgeship

I wasn't hazed and I certainly didn't haze those that came after me. To this day I consider my experience as a pledge to be some of the most meaningful time in my life. The purpose of going through a pledge program is to integrate into a lifelong social structure - a microcosm of the larger college experience - and build a lasting relationship with your pledge class peers. If it doesn't work for you it is far easier to walk away during the trial period. If it does work the friends you make will be for life. I was a pledge almost 25 years ago and my experience for those four months carries some of my best memories. I don't know why the directors would want to eliminate that. Sadly it won't do a thing to eliminate abuse or alcohol-related risks that college students - Greek or independent - face.

ΦA


Hey, just curious, I was never a pledge, so I was just wondering if you could be a little more specific. What did you do as a pledge that was so rewarding that you couldn't have done if you were made a full member at the time you accepted a bid? I'm also curious how many pledges (%) dropped out. I just can't see how provisional membership can be the ONLY way to forge lasting bonds between members.
 
2014-03-11 12:11:12 AM  

SpiderQueenDemon: And then you got to roll your first character sheet.

It's a wonderful organization. We do fun stuff.


Sounds like a fantastic organization!  I totally would have joined up if I went to the same school as you did.

I was part of a fraternity that measured the success of its parties by how many cop cars showed up (I think our record was seven, when I was there).  That said, being a "scholastic" fraternity we also balanced our social lives with mandatory study times (had to keep up that stereotype) and had regular volunteer activities in the community.  We had a few bad apples in the bunch, but mostly because of youth related stupidity.  All in all, it was a really good experience for me, even with the hazing (except this one time with dog food, but that's another story).

I can also say with pride (pardon the incoming pun) that one brother came out of the closet a few years after graduation.  We all supported him when he gave us the news and he's still a welcome part of our lives (He has a husband and two kids now; the bros celebrated when he was allowed to marry).  I like to think our fraternity is more level headed than most and believe that there is good to the whole "brotherhood" experience.

/pineapple.  You'd know the reference if you were a part.
 
2014-03-11 12:11:52 AM  

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I have no idea if that's in the wrong thread or not, but I don't care, I love it.
 
2014-03-11 12:12:37 AM  

FDR Jones: FDR Jones: lonerancher: John Walter Wayland, IIRC was one of the original members of SAE at Alabama in 1856.

No, he wasn't even an SAE during his lifetime. He was initiated posthumously in the 1920's with the consent of his family.

Er, wait, not the 1920's. The convention is every 2 years, so 66th convention was more like 1988.




What about John Wayne Gacey?
 
2014-03-11 12:12:51 AM  

FDR Jones: lonerancher: John Walter Wayland, IIRC was one of the original members of SAE at Alabama in 1856.

No, he wasn't even an SAE during his lifetime. He was initiated posthumously in the 1920's with the consent of his family.


Just for fun, let's make him Mormon, too.
 
2014-03-11 12:32:23 AM  
lazymojo:
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"I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!"
 
2014-03-11 12:36:49 AM  

FDR Jones: Hey, just curious, I was never a pledge, so I was just wondering if you could be a little more specific. What did you do as a pledge that was so rewarding that you couldn't have done if you were made a full member at the time you accepted a bid?


Part of the hazing rituals were to do things you wouldn't normally do.   In many cases, it's to make you more comfortable with yourself because after you do it, you realize that "that wasn't too awful-- that was kinda fun."  One memorable activity was to go for a jog at dusk wearing nothing but your underwear and shoes.  Not streaking, mind you.  This activity was to ease you into the whole experience (This was the second activity we had to do after accepting our bids).  I remember some sorority girls "discovered" us and started to follow in their moped, beeping all the way, making it a mortifying experience at the time.  Now I look back and think it was hilarious.

I know some of you did this-- and more explicit activities-- when you were in school.  But for those of us who needed a little more of a push...

Other activities made you work together.  Those were designed to have you leave the pledging with "bonds formed from mutual experience".  Most of it were just military style workouts in sync with your fellow pledges.  I can't go into much more detail than that, but they worked to a degree.  After pledging, you knew that all alums, active and inactive members have gone through similar experiences, and you have a link to them.  We have an annual Alumni BBQ-- Someone can mention the code word for one of those hazing rituals and you can all share a chuckle, no matter how old the other person is (a sixty year old geriatric and a twenty something graduate instantly laughing together over a common experience is a weird but amazing thing).  You all know what it's about.

Anyway, hope that gives you a sense of what it's all about, without giving you all the details of the gritty stuff.
 
2014-03-11 12:59:14 AM  

NerdCoreRageQuit: Anyway, hope that gives you a sense of what it's all about, without giving you all the details of the gritty stuff.


Thanks. I understand how experiencing adversity as a group can form bonds, but the guy I was replying to said they never did any hazing in his group, so I'm more curious as to what they go through that isn't hazing yet still forms a unique bond that can't be achieved by just being a member. I suppose this gets into what the definition of hazing is, though, which probably needs not to be discussed.
 
2014-03-11 01:03:52 AM  
Former frat guy giving my 2 cents: Hazing didn't involve physical abuse. We never got paddled or touched, even in a gay way, believe it or not. It was all designed to be a bonding experience and take satisfaction in knowing that you had endured the same bull shiat as the others before you. Verbal abuse, sleep deprivation, doing push-ups at 2 in the morning because one of your pledge brothers didn't clean the bathrooms properly (and thats the real purpose of pledges, to clean up shiat...you do it for one year and you're done. It's a seniority based co- op basically.) Good times, but I was "brothers" with a lot of guys I couldn't stand.

/20 years ago at a big 12 school
 
2014-03-11 01:05:17 AM  

FDR Jones: Thanks. I understand how experiencing adversity as a group can form bonds, but the guy I was replying to said they never did any hazing in his group, so I'm more curious as to what they go through that isn't hazing yet still forms a unique bond that can't be achieved by just being a member.


Oops, my bad.  Though now that you mention it, I'm curious now too!
 
2014-03-11 01:12:14 AM  

FunkOut: 8 inches: Is this the thread where I whine about how lame and secretly gay fraternities are?


/Was in a house and those memories are still my favorite and most fun.

This is where a Canadian who never lived anywhere where people do stuff like that wonders why American boys with money are so violent and kinky with their bonding rituals. That's some serious BDSM and emotional weirdness going on.


These are the same type of sociopaths that run our country and many of our big corporations. Is it any wonder that it's all swirling down the crapper?
 
2014-03-11 01:15:32 AM  
As far as I'm concerned, if some guy is willing to kneel naked with an orange stuck up his arse while wearing only an elk head and beg to be let into a fraternity, someone should be allowed to beat him to death.
 
2014-03-11 02:17:42 AM  

maram500: Molavian: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.

Actually...it was choir for me. No one would describe me as pencil-necked or pizza-faced (I'm chubby and never had to deal with acne, unlike you), and I'm gay. But thanks for playing. Also, I spent my undergrad career actually doing things that were important--working, studying, trying to find meaningful employment for after graduation. You, meanwhile, were...banging the campus hookers? Hope you can get rid of that syphilis before it turns your brain to Swiss cheese.

And that whole "brotherhood will last you a lifetime" shtick? It lasts until you (a) move away from your college town, where all your frat brothers who know you live and will continue to live until they die, (b) die yourself, or (c) find yourself on the wrong end of a murder charge, whereupon all your frat bros will instantly remember how much of a hateful, abusive piece of shiat you actually were.


Are you for real?

If so, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa!
 
2014-03-11 03:34:35 AM  

8 inches: Is this the thread where I whine about how lame and secretly gay fraternities are?


/Was in a house and those memories are still my favorite and most fun.


I'm sure you thoroughly enjoyed those gay orgies with your purchased friends.  It's good that you're able to admit it.

/The only people on campus dumber than frat boys are sorostitutes and football players.
 
2014-03-11 03:48:43 AM  
What a frat member may look like:

media.knoxnews.com

I mean, the world really needs more quotes like:

"Alexander Broughton, 20, was rushed to hospital unconscious after a rubber tube was inserted into his rectum and alcohol poured in.  The practice, known among students as 'butt chugging', took place during a party at the Pi Kappa Alpha House on the grounds of the University of Tennessee."
 
2014-03-11 06:46:46 AM  

DarkVader: "Alexander Broughton, 20, was rushed to hospital unconscious after a rubber tube was inserted into his rectum and alcohol poured in. The practice, known among students as 'butt chugging', took place during a party at the Pi Kappa Alpha House on the grounds of the University of Tennessee


Youhave to shwo the rest of his "brothers" standing him around backing him up at the press confrence.

farkingismybusiness: You peasant


That was some funny shiat.
 
2014-03-11 08:48:19 AM  
I wonder what the Society of Automotive Engineers thinks about all of this.

/something something lube something
 
2014-03-11 09:05:35 AM  
Why is anyone trying to stop frat boys from dying?

/thin the herd
 
2014-03-11 09:10:58 AM  

liam76: DarkVader: "Alexander Broughton, 20, was rushed to hospital unconscious after a rubber tube was inserted into his rectum and alcohol poured in. The practice, known among students as 'butt chugging', took place during a party at the Pi Kappa Alpha House on the grounds of the University of Tennessee

Youhave to shwo the rest of his "brothers" standing him around backing him up at the press confrence.


This one:

media.knoxnews.com

And this is what frat boys really do:

www.manolith.com
 
2014-03-11 09:42:01 AM  

FDR Jones: The True Gentleman is the man ...
who does not make the poor man conscious of his poverty,
the obscure man of his obscurity,
or any man of his inferiority or deformity


So the definition is basically "The true gentleman is rich, famous, superior and not disabled".
 
2014-03-11 09:44:21 AM  

madgonad: I was a pledge almost 25 years ago and my experience for those four months carries some of my best memories.


My sympathies. Hope the next 25 years go better for you.
 
2014-03-11 10:52:11 AM  

FDR Jones: madgonad: Another alum that is fairly disappointed with the elimination of pledgeship

I wasn't hazed and I certainly didn't haze those that came after me. To this day I consider my experience as a pledge to be some of the most meaningful time in my life. The purpose of going through a pledge program is to integrate into a lifelong social structure - a microcosm of the larger college experience - and build a lasting relationship with your pledge class peers. If it doesn't work for you it is far easier to walk away during the trial period. If it does work the friends you make will be for life. I was a pledge almost 25 years ago and my experience for those four months carries some of my best memories. I don't know why the directors would want to eliminate that. Sadly it won't do a thing to eliminate abuse or alcohol-related risks that college students - Greek or independent - face.

ΦA

Hey, just curious, I was never a pledge, so I was just wondering if you could be a little more specific. What did you do as a pledge that was so rewarding that you couldn't have done if you were made a full member at the time you accepted a bid? I'm also curious how many pledges (%) dropped out. I just can't see how provisional membership can be the ONLY way to forge lasting bonds between members.


Well, I went to a college that was about 80% Greek for men at the time. The rates for women were lower. So it wasn't terribly difficult to find a house that you fit-in with.

The first part of being a pledge is going through Rush. During the first week of school anyone that wanted to join a fraternity signed up and became a perspective. Over a few days you visit all of the houses in a social setting and meet the Brothers. No alcohol! No girls either, although Little Sisters were known to wear outfits with Greek letters on them and cheer outside or drive by the houses during the parties. After the first round of parties the perspectives would rank their favorites and the houses would do the same. Three more invites would go out for callback parties where houses and perspective ranks were in line. After those parties the Houses would offer a Bid to a preset number of perspectives. Nobody got more than one bid. And you wouldn't get a bid unless you ranked the house. I went Suicide my freshman year and only listed SAE since that was the only place I wanted to go. Once the bid was accepted you became a pledge.
Pledgeship lasted the first semester. Your pledge class worked together constantly. Voted our own president, VP, and treasurer. We did our own fundraisers to pay for pledge class activities. We got pledge moms and of course pledge dads. It was more than mentoring, as a freshman we were taking responsibility and developing leadership skills. Academic support was constant - no slipping behind. We took a class at the house every Sunday before chapter meetings (pledges attended all but closed portions) and learned about the history of the fraternity. Yes, we were quized over it.
Of course pledges did have the privilege of cleaning up after parties (Work Party, 8am!)
The pledge class usually did a WalkOut (capture 2-3 actives and travel to a different SAE house to party for the weekend) and a lot of other miscellaneous activities. The pledges also threw a special party, Fly Alpha, in which the pledge barricade-off the common room for a couple days and transform it into a surprise theme for a party. Of course actives try to break in throughout, but that is half of the fun.
Finally in January is Hell Week. This generally entailed wearing a suit all day and spending off hours doing projects around the house and doing lineups where we were mock-hazed. All in good fun and never abusive.
Only one member of my pledge class dropped out, and he moved off campus and got married.
 
2014-03-11 11:05:07 AM  

maram500: Actually...it was choir for me. No one would describe me as pencil-necked or pizza-faced (I'm chubby and never had to deal with acne, unlike you), and I'm gay. But thanks for playing. Also, I spent my undergrad career actually doing things that were important--working, studying, trying to find meaningful employment for after graduation. You, meanwhile, were...banging the campus hookers? Hope you can get rid of that syphilis before it turns your brain to Swiss cheese.

And that whole "brotherhood will last you a lifetime" shtick? It lasts until you (a) move away from your college town, where all your frat brothers who know you live and will continue to live until they die, (b) die yourself, or (c) find yourself on the wrong end of a murder charge, whereupon all your frat bros will instantly remember how much of a hateful, abusive piece of shiat you actually were.


i1.wp.com
 
2014-03-11 03:37:53 PM  
DarkVader:

You... really have a skewed view of things, don't you?  Almost like a Republican Senator condemning gays with a preconceived notion of what their lives must be like at lonely truck stops.

Can't speak for your experiences with them, but not all fraternities are the same.
 
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