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(RYOT.org)   Sigma Alpha Epsilon just banned pledging because too many people died in the process. They'll now put new recruits through the "True Gentleman Experience," which sounds like the name of a male strip club   (ryot.org) divider line 82
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2014-03-10 09:24:59 PM
So no more naked spankings?
 
2014-03-10 09:28:54 PM
Why "Pinto"?
 
2014-03-10 09:29:36 PM
The frats that actually have experience in the matter and know what they're doing would never force-feed you alcohol or beat you on parts of the body not hidden by clothing....     This is all hazing 101.

I'd say the hardest hazing frats in the country have been doing it for 150 years, and know by now what is and isn't going to kill somebody.
 
2014-03-10 09:31:59 PM
Meanwhile, the ECU chapter of Phi Alpha Theta will continue to haze incoming students by making them play underpowered Battletech lances.
 
2014-03-10 09:32:02 PM
Those are the grey aliens with the big heads, right?
 
2014-03-10 09:32:54 PM
Is this the thread where I whine about how lame and secretly gay fraternities are?


/Was in a house and those memories are still my favorite and most fun.
 
2014-03-10 09:34:43 PM

8 inches: Is this the thread where I whine about how lame and secretly gay fraternities are?


/Was in a house and those memories are still my favorite and most fun.


No, this is the thread where frat boys call haters "just jealous".
 
2014-03-10 09:35:41 PM
Someone. Anyone. Everyone.
 
2014-03-10 09:38:59 PM
All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.
 
2014-03-10 09:40:42 PM

drewogatory: 8 inches: Is this the thread where I whine about how lame and secretly gay fraternities are?


/Was in a house and those memories are still my favorite and most fun.

No, this is the thread where frat boys call haters "just jealous".


Whynotboth?

/AGR
 
2014-03-10 09:41:34 PM
My student org had an initiation ritual. One had to perform twelve good deeds without getting any public credit or recognition (only your fellow members could know it was you and the good deeds were verified,) spend three hours doing something kind for someone who could never repay you (volunteer work at the animal shelter was a popular choice,) and then you had to decorate an elaborate hat, wear it to the meeting and your fellow members would decide your new name based on what qualities you displayed and some personality things about you. Your new name would be announced, you would accept it by eating the red Skittle and everyone would drink a toast with huge mugs of soda.

And then you got to roll your first character sheet.

It's a wonderful organization. We do fun stuff.
 
2014-03-10 09:42:08 PM
They say they're banning pledging but I don't believe it. If they actually gave a shiat they'd have stopped or at the very least SERIOUSLY rethought the way they did things after the first death. They didnt, so they're completely retarded, and are probably continuing pledging in secret, and will get caught when someone else dies.

I dont get the mind set, when every year theres at least one story coming out of someone dying or almost dying and whatever school/group they were with gets hit with a big scandal, but the other fraternities/sororities just go "Who cares! LET IT RIDE!"

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Its baffling
 
2014-03-10 09:42:55 PM
No one ever died from just casually drinking beer, just like no one's died from casually smoking marijuana.
 
2014-03-10 09:44:55 PM
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2014-03-10 09:51:57 PM

Alebak: They say they're banning pledging but I don't believe it. If they actually gave a shiat they'd have stopped or at the very least SERIOUSLY rethought the way they did things after the first death. They didnt, so they're completely retarded, and are probably continuing pledging in secret, and will get caught when someone else dies.

I dont get the mind set, when every year theres at least one story coming out of someone dying or almost dying and whatever school/group they were with gets hit with a big scandal, but the other fraternities/sororities just go "Who cares! LET IT RIDE!"


Its baffling


No, they are banning it. I know some former SAEs and they are pissed about it. I was never in a fraternity, and don't really have an opinion.
 
2014-03-10 09:55:33 PM

skinink: Why "Pinto"?

"WHY NOT?!?"


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Heh.  We just watched that movie here yesterday.  Wife is not American, so we're catching up on our "dumb American movie classics" I feel she needs to see.

(next up: Top Gun, then Major League)
 
2014-03-10 09:56:09 PM
The college I just graduated from couldn't ban frats because they're part of SUNY (SUNY allows it everywhere else, I guess), but the private Uni that is literally across the street banned them several years ago because there were a few incidents that resulted in injured/dead students, within a couple of months. It's a small town with very little else to do, so I think if the SUNY school could have legally gotten away with it, they'd also have banned them.

For all that, the student activity groups were amazingly good at putting together events to keep people occupied.

/so glad I lived off campus though
 
2014-03-10 09:57:19 PM
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"Hate to allow a few bad apples to ruin the bunch."
 
2014-03-10 09:58:37 PM
My dad was part of Sigma Alpha Epsilon and he told me

/got nuthin'
 
2014-03-10 10:03:33 PM
"The True Gentleman Experience, murder, arson, and the True Gentleman Experience."
 
2014-03-10 10:07:24 PM
If you stand around and let someone slowly kill you by process of hazing, isn't that just Darwin knocking?
 
2014-03-10 10:11:07 PM

8 inches: Is this the thread where I whine about how lame and secretly gay fraternities are?


Secretly?
 
2014-03-10 10:14:57 PM
"The True Gentleman Experience"

Mensur duels?
 
2014-03-10 10:15:54 PM

8 inches: Is this the thread where I whine about how lame and secretly gay fraternities are?


/Was in a house and those memories are still my favorite and most fun.


This is where a Canadian who never lived anywhere where people do stuff like that wonders why American boys with money are so violent and kinky with their bonding rituals. That's some serious BDSM and emotional weirdness going on.
 
2014-03-10 10:16:57 PM
While we were a tiny chapter with no house or anything like that, hazing just wasn't an issue. Party people were "big brothers" to party people, academics to academics, social leaders with social leaders, etc.
And the chapter was better for the diverse mix. I hope the TrueGentleman Experience helps guides bigger chapters yet doesn't stifle those still in line with the principles.

/phialpha
 
2014-03-10 10:17:09 PM
"Our Founding Fathers had a tradition of weekly scholarly essays that members were required to write and present to further their academic interests and further advance the educational abilities of other members. "

I can only imagine the essays written by modern frat members:  "Bros Before Hos", "The Art of Sticking Your Dick In Crazy", etc.
 
2014-03-10 10:21:46 PM

veedeevadeevoodee: Someone. Anyone. Everyone.


Same Arseholes Everywhere
 
2014-03-10 10:22:23 PM
All this is going to do is cause them to take the pledging underground. NPHC banned pledging to stop hazing, and they still haze the living crap out of new members.
 
2014-03-10 10:24:56 PM
Article advocated checking out MADD at the end. RYOT confirmed for troll site.
 
2014-03-10 10:25:13 PM
True Gentleman Experience sounds like what you get when you pay for a male escort.
 
2014-03-10 10:25:29 PM
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You peasant.
 
2014-03-10 10:28:41 PM

skinink: Why "Pinto"?


*BURP* Why not?
 
2014-03-10 10:36:25 PM
Hopefully this isn't just re-branding of the same old spill.  Fraternities have gone to hell, ever since they all decided they wanted to be exactly like the one from Animal House.
 
2014-03-10 10:39:13 PM

suburbanguy: veedeevadeevoodee: Someone. Anyone. Everyone.

Same Arseholes Everywhere


Sexual Assault Expected
 
2014-03-10 10:39:33 PM

Alebak: They say they're banning pledging but I don't believe it. If they actually gave a shiat they'd have stopped or at the very least SERIOUSLY rethought the way they did things after the first death. They didnt, so they're completely retarded, and are probably continuing pledging in secret, and will get caught when someone else dies.


Hazing has been banned or illegal or both for many years now, but it has often been hard to enforce such a ban, especially when the leaders of the chapters are fellow undergrads. This action comes down from the national headquarters and takes some of the leverage away from the hazers. With pledgeship formally ended, the national organization gives the new guys their badges, membership certificate, etc. and the ritual will be performed on the spot. Anyone who used to haze no longer has the threat of denying membership to hold over a new member's head. Of course, some chapters will continue to haze in secret, but hopefully it won't be as easy to coerce the hazee into going along with it.

The national board (made up of alumni) made this decision. If the undergrads are really against it and want to continue to have leverage over the pledges and haze them, they will vote to repeal it at the national convention next summer. So, we will see if you are correct at that time. So far, the people against it seem to be a small minority and they really don't have much of a leg to stand on.
 
2014-03-10 10:39:58 PM
but ookie cookie is still cool, right?
 
2014-03-10 10:48:46 PM

Molavian: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


Actually...it was choir for me. No one would describe me as pencil-necked or pizza-faced (I'm chubby and never had to deal with acne, unlike you), and I'm gay. But thanks for playing. Also, I spent my undergrad career actually doing things that were important--working, studying, trying to find meaningful employment for after graduation. You, meanwhile, were...banging the campus hookers? Hope you can get rid of that syphilis before it turns your brain to Swiss cheese.

And that whole "brotherhood will last you a lifetime" shtick? It lasts until you (a) move away from your college town, where all your frat brothers who know you live and will continue to live until they die, (b) die yourself, or (c) find yourself on the wrong end of a murder charge, whereupon all your frat bros will instantly remember how much of a hateful, abusive piece of shiat you actually were.
 
2014-03-10 10:54:30 PM
CTRL-F "top-shelf pussy"

Not found.

This will never work.
 
2014-03-10 10:56:42 PM

buckler: CTRL-F "top-shelf pussy"

Not found.

This will never work.


Glad I'm not the only one.

/There were no frat houses in the college I went to
//Architecture School, however, has an inhuman, cruel, and mind-vending ritual
///The five-day all-niter
 
2014-03-10 11:02:34 PM

PapaChester: While we were a tiny chapter with no house or anything like that, hazing just wasn't an issue. Party people were "big brothers" to party people, academics to academics, social leaders with social leaders, etc.
And the chapter was better for the diverse mix. I hope the TrueGentleman Experience helps guides bigger chapters yet doesn't stifle those still in line with the principles.

/phialpha


Hail to the purple, hail to the gold.  Phi Alpha
 
2014-03-10 11:04:06 PM

CygnusDarius: buckler: CTRL-F "top-shelf pussy"

Not found.

This will never work.

Glad I'm not the only one.

/There were no frat houses in the college I went to
//Architecture School, however, has an inhuman, cruel, and mind-vending ritual
///The five-day all-niter


What, you could just BUY a new brain with the knowledge you need already installed? That must have been handy.
 
2014-03-10 11:04:24 PM
Sounds like it should involve gentleman sausage...
 
2014-03-10 11:07:39 PM
Not trying to advocate for fraternity life or anything, but this is the text of The True Gentleman, btw, some of you guys might actually like it. It was not written with the fraternity in mind, but IIRC as a response to a request from a Baltimore newspaper for readers to submit the definition of a true gentleman:

The True Gentleman is the man whose conduct proceeds
from good will and an acute sense of propriety
and whose self-control is equal to all emergencies;
who does not make the poor man conscious of his poverty,
the obscure man of his obscurity,
or any man of his inferiority or deformity;
who is himself humbled if necessity compels him to humble another;
who does not flatter wealth,
cringe before power,
or boast of his own possessions or achievements;
who speaks with frankness but always with sincerity and sympathy;
whose deed follows his word;
who thinks of the rights and feelings of others rather than his own;
and who appears well in any company;
a man with whom honor is sacred and virtue safe.

John Walter Wayland, 1899
 
2014-03-10 11:10:20 PM

FDR Jones: Not trying to advocate for fraternity life or anything, but this is the text of The True Gentleman, btw, some of you guys might actually like it. It was not written with the fraternity in mind, but IIRC as a response to a request from a Baltimore newspaper for readers to submit the definition of a true gentleman:

The True Gentleman is the man whose conduct proceeds
from good will and an acute sense of propriety
and whose self-control is equal to all emergencies;
who does not make the poor man conscious of his poverty,
the obscure man of his obscurity,
or any man of his inferiority or deformity;
who is himself humbled if necessity compels him to humble another;
who does not flatter wealth,
cringe before power,
or boast of his own possessions or achievements;
who speaks with frankness but always with sincerity and sympathy;
whose deed follows his word;
who thinks of the rights and feelings of others rather than his own;
and who appears well in any company;
a man with whom honor is sacred and virtue safe.

John Walter Wayland, 1899


I like that. It's like something you'd see on that 'Art of Manliness' blog that had all the shaving and vintage-tie articles. (Does anyone who's not female and picking out clothes for her husband and presents for her dad ever read that site? And what is the opposite of the term 'sausage-fest'?)
 
2014-03-10 11:13:16 PM

ladyfortuna: The college I just graduated from couldn't ban frats because they're part of SUNY (SUNY allows it everywhere else, I guess), but the private Uni that is literally across the street banned them several years ago because there were a few incidents that resulted in injured/dead students, within a couple of months. It's a small town with very little else to do, so I think if the SUNY school could have legally gotten away with it, they'd also have banned them.

For all that, the student activity groups were amazingly good at putting together events to keep people occupied.

/so glad I lived off campus though


Little to nothing describes most SUNY school towns, but two colleges can only mean one: Alfred?
 
2014-03-10 11:13:37 PM

FDR Jones: Not trying to advocate for fraternity life or anything, but this is the text of The True Gentleman, btw, some of you guys might actually like it. It was not written with the fraternity in mind, but IIRC as a response to a request from a Baltimore newspaper for readers to submit the definition of a true gentleman:

The True Gentleman is the man whose conduct proceeds
from good will and an acute sense of propriety
and whose self-control is equal to all emergencies;
who does not make the poor man conscious of his poverty,
the obscure man of his obscurity,
or any man of his inferiority or deformity;
who is himself humbled if necessity compels him to humble another;
who does not flatter wealth,
cringe before power,
or boast of his own possessions or achievements;
who speaks with frankness but always with sincerity and sympathy;
whose deed follows his word;
who thinks of the rights and feelings of others rather than his own;
and who appears well in any company;
a man with whom honor is sacred and virtue safe.

John Walter Wayland, 1899


That's actually pretty great. It shares a lot of commonality with the medieval Code of Chivalry, one rule of which, as I recall is to "treat thy lessors as thy equals, and thy equals as thy betters."
 
2014-03-10 11:14:02 PM
SpiderQueenDemon: And what is the opposite of the term 'sausage-fest'?)

Clam bake?
 
2014-03-10 11:15:06 PM

SpiderQueenDemon: And what is the opposite of the term 'sausage-fest'?


Clam party? Taco soiree? Beef Curtain Draping Ceremony?
 
2014-03-10 11:22:46 PM
Come on.  I think fraternities are basically a bunch of worse-than-useless sociopathic assholes who only ever do a good thing to try to fool people into thinking they aren't a complete waste of life, but now you're telling that frats are no longer going to do the one single thing that frats do that is good for society (i.e., killing frat boys)?
 
2014-03-10 11:27:50 PM
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