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2014-03-10 08:34:30 PM  

cybrwzrd: sobriquet by any other name: cybrwzrd: Slavery sucks, and was/is a terrible dehumanizing thing. So is working at just about any modern low skill hourly job. You may not get whipped by your master at the fast food restaurant, but then again, your master won't fire you and cause you to miss your rent payment and get evicted because your kids get sick. Basically if you are at the bottom of the social pecking order in any society, prepared to be treated like crap, because humans are exceptional at treating those lesser than them like garbage. It is probably the greatest strength (and horror) of the human race is the ability to dehumanize and use other humans as expendable resources.

Oh yes they would - but you'd get shot instead of "endin' up a rebel kneegro"

Maybe, but then again you have to remember that the slave is essentially their tractor/oven/heavy machinery. Most businessmen won't intentionally break their capital equipment, but will shiat on expendables. Slaves were not expendables- they were expensive to purchase and maintain, whereas wage slaves are expendable and are cheaply and easily replaced.

I am by no means advocating slavery, it sucked. I just think we need to move beyond the sins of our great-great-great-grandfathers and focus on our own sins.


you dont seem to connect how we treat horses to how they treated slaves. Think about it and get back to us.
 
2014-03-10 08:35:06 PM  

bobothemagnificent: wyltoknow: hardinparamedic: bobothemagnificent: 4th, hey liberals: it was republicans that abolished slavery.  It was democrats that opposed abolishment of a despicable, vile, and unholy institution of slavery.  Think about that before you start bashing republicans or conservatives.  And if you point out that today's republicans are all racists, I'll point out to you that one of the longest serving Senators was a grand wizard of the KKK and a liberal democrat.

Grandpa bobo, tell us one more time about the fairy tale where the Southern Strategy never occured, and the Dixiecrats never joined and took over the republican party!

Not to mention that morons who try to argue that seem to forget the fact that it was conservative Democrats who wanted slavery. Conservative Republicans were on the fence about it, they certainly didn't hate it, and they decried Lincoln for taking "extreme" measures like making slavery illegal in the Union states and allowing his military to free slaves of any plantations they came across. Lincoln was somewhat moderate, very liberal. But don't let any pesky historic facts get in the way of modern-day GOP trying to prove that there's not racism in their midst.

I also recall many of those same Liberal Republicans, including Lincoln himself, support the sending of slaves back to Africa.  The fundamental forming of the Republican Party was stopping of slavery in the territories.  The real radicals were people like William Garrison Lloyd, who incidentally wasn't a Republican, advocating for abolition because in those days that was considered an extreme view.  Again, your using our modern day morality and applying it to an issue that is 250+ years in the past.  Nobody, with very few exceptions (Frederick Douglas springs immediately to mind) was a saint during those days.  William Lloyd Garrison was better than most, but even he had some pretty racial views according to Frederick Douglas, and he regularly associated with Garrison.  The conservative ...


You're way off the deep end, aren't you? You're trying desperately to get some foothold, it appears, with a great mess of tangential "but I know stuff!" that is considerably more tedious than it is relevant. It's nice and all that you dredge up these fun "facts", but a blurring gob of text like that doesn't win you any points. "Hey, I disagree with this fellow, but, my, he certainly knows his shiat!" -- Uh, no. Not going to happen. No-one is impressed.
 
2014-03-10 08:35:32 PM  

FnkyTwn: Let's just agree that none of us were alive in America's slavery days, so it's impossible for us to truly "know" if it was as bad as some might claim. We also weren't at Dachau, so who's to say if Jews were worked a little too hard on occasion. Some people agree with the Earth being God's creation and only about 6000 years old, and some would disagree with that. We won't know the answers to a lot of questions until we're in Heaven my friends.


First, there's the historical record about slavery and what that institution meant for the lives of the thousands victimized by it.  Likewise, there's the more recent and well documented facts of the holocaust with its six million Jewish victims, not to mention the additional million or so communists, anarchists, gypsies and Slavic untermensch.  Certainly nobody alive lived during the creation of the earth, but we have the scientific record that tells us the age of the earth goes back billions of years, not several decades.  People who deny this, knowing the science of things are willfully denying the facts in favor of faith.

Those, such as you seem to be, who say "who can really know what happened when you weren't there" are just being ignorant.  Because one of the wonderful things that history gives us is a memory of what happened and it's a memory accompanied with some sort of valuation as to whether slavery was good or bad or the holocaust was good or evil.  And it is that memory that Santayana says we should invoke and remember so we do not commit the same awful mistake again.
 
2014-03-10 08:37:47 PM  

bobothemagnificent: sobriquet by any other name: bobothemagnificent: few points here.  1st, the article is trying to point out that not every single slave owner that ever lived was as how they are usually portrayed in Hollywood.  In reality, and history DOES back this up, there were many slave owners that were just the opposite of what you see in Hollywood.

They taxed their possessions at 100% and let them keep a ribbon in their bonnet - after they were deflowered/broken?

I'm not sure what's more offensive - your perversion of history, or your perversion of character.

why not both?

Did every single slave owner do that?


If the owners didn't do it, they got those slaves to act that way by a society that did it to their forebears, their grandparent, their parents, and in their early life.

You don't call it freedom when you chain a wolf and train it to beg for food especially to defend the people by saying "at least he was eating!"

It's the conditions that make the crime, not some horseshiat 2 year period the brainwashing is working fine.
 
2014-03-10 08:40:09 PM  

cybrwzrd: sobriquet by any other name: cybrwzrd: Slavery sucks, and was/is a terrible dehumanizing thing. So is working at just about any modern low skill hourly job. You may not get whipped by your master at the fast food restaurant, but then again, your master won't fire you and cause you to miss your rent payment and get evicted because your kids get sick. Basically if you are at the bottom of the social pecking order in any society, prepared to be treated like crap, because humans are exceptional at treating those lesser than them like garbage. It is probably the greatest strength (and horror) of the human race is the ability to dehumanize and use other humans as expendable resources.

Oh yes they would - but you'd get shot instead of "endin' up a rebel kneegro"

Maybe, but then again you have to remember that the slave is essentially their tractor/oven/heavy machinery. Most businessmen won't intentionally break their capital equipment, but will shiat on expendables. Slaves were not expendables- they were expensive to purchase and maintain, whereas wage slaves are expendable and are cheaply and easily replaced.

I am by no means advocating slavery, it sucked. I just think we need to move beyond the sins of our great-great-great-grandfathers and focus on our own sins.


You know it's ironic that Slavery is one of the causes for the Confederacy losing the war. With slave labor, Southern plantations ignored the technological advancements in farming and soon the smaller number of Northern farmers were able to out strip Southern farmers in production. Not to mention the Southern rail system ran North South to move cotton and slaves to and from the port cities to the interior while Northen rail was primarily East West. There were cases of Confederate soldiers dying of starvation while food rotted in ports.
 
2014-03-10 08:41:58 PM  

Prey4reign: First, there's the historical record


That was written by a victorious North eager to paint the noble South as a bunch of backwoods racists.
 
2014-03-10 08:43:36 PM  

sobriquet by any other name: cybrwzrd: sobriquet by any other name: cybrwzrd: Slavery sucks, and was/is a terrible dehumanizing thing. So is working at just about any modern low skill hourly job. You may not get whipped by your master at the fast food restaurant, but then again, your master won't fire you and cause you to miss your rent payment and get evicted because your kids get sick. Basically if you are at the bottom of the social pecking order in any society, prepared to be treated like crap, because humans are exceptional at treating those lesser than them like garbage. It is probably the greatest strength (and horror) of the human race is the ability to dehumanize and use other humans as expendable resources.

Oh yes they would - but you'd get shot instead of "endin' up a rebel kneegro"

Maybe, but then again you have to remember that the slave is essentially their tractor/oven/heavy machinery. Most businessmen won't intentionally break their capital equipment, but will shiat on expendables. Slaves were not expendables- they were expensive to purchase and maintain, whereas wage slaves are expendable and are cheaply and easily replaced.

I am by no means advocating slavery, it sucked. I just think we need to move beyond the sins of our great-great-great-grandfathers and focus on our own sins.

you dont seem to connect how we treat horses to how they treated slaves. Think about it and get back to us.


Horses were significantly cheaper than slaves. I don't mean to beat a dead horse here, but I think you are missing my point.
 
2014-03-10 08:46:50 PM  

Animatronik: Isitoveryet: Ahhh the modern Conservative, trying desperately to point out that it's the Democratic Party that are the racists! not the GOP! as if having to defend reality is too much to bear.

it's awesome, they tell you Lincoln was a Republican! then emancipation proclamation! and it pretty much ends right there.... right where it should end, because if they went any further, they'd show how Republicans are the real racists AND THAT DOES NOT FIT THE NARRATIVE!

you know what they want to do is start off by saying African Americans are soooo stupid (but not exactly those words), they vote (D) when it was the (R) that set them free!   why, they should be voting (R)!!!!

Ah the modern Democrat, who has figured out that, since 45% of the population is non-white and naturally distrustful of conservatives, liberals should never miss an opportunity to use race-baiting to convince that part of the electorate that all conservatives are evil racists bent on keeping them down!! If you put half as much energy into working on the real problems, we'd actually be solving them, instead of falling behind.


Conservative ass kissing at it's finest.
 
2014-03-10 08:48:09 PM  

FlashHarry: Hickory-smoked: bobothemagnificent: [img.fark.net image 249x398]

You know that image is a photoshop, right?

Byrd publicly disavowed White Nationalism over 30 years ago, and his voting record supported that. You're going to have to find a better "but-but-but" when Conservatives still have publications like American Spectator running around.

don't bother - the more i think about it, the more i realize that he's a troll. nobody can be that ignorant.


I knew it was photoshopped.  I also know what Byrd's record was.  It doesn't change the fact that he was a grand wizard.  It also goes to show you that democrats have just as many skeletons in their closet, to.  Hence, not throwing stones at glass houses.  I also know that Republicans aren't racist as they are made out to be.  I also know that I get more racial crap from a liberal any day of the week than I do from any conservative I know.

I will say it again, apparently the liberals around here are either A) more ignorant than they call other people or B) unable to perform basic reading comprehension or C) both

The modern day conservative movement is not racist.  You cannot compare the modern day conservative movement to anything that occurred 250+ year ago. We believe that race is a non-issue, should be a non-issue, and those who attempt to play the race card have no better defense for their ideals rather than scream "that's racist".  The idea of racism is repugnant, outdated, and foisted on an angry left that really can't get over the idea that just because we don't believe in government programs to solve every single problem in the world we are racist.
 
2014-03-10 08:49:09 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: Wow. And of course there is a Hannity pop-up telling us to pay for and support this garbage.


The pop-up I got wanted my help in "holding Hillary's feet to the fire". But I assume this would be in a loving way and purely for her own good.
 
2014-03-10 08:52:50 PM  

FnkyTwn: Prey4reign: First, there's the historical record

That was written by a victorious North eager to paint the noble South as a bunch of backwoods racists.


Ummm... they were, have you not read their reasons for secession?
 
2014-03-10 08:54:14 PM  

bobothemagnificent: The modern day conservative movement is not racist.


Their responses to Nelson Mandela dying really showed that.
 
2014-03-10 08:55:48 PM  

bobothemagnificent: hardinparamedic: bobothemagnificent: 4th, hey liberals: it was republicans that abolished slavery.  It was democrats that opposed abolishment of a despicable, vile, and unholy institution of slavery.  Think about that before you start bashing republicans or conservatives.  And if you point out that today's republicans are all racists, I'll point out to you that one of the longest serving Senators was a grand wizard of the KKK and a liberal democrat.

Grandpa bobo, tell us one more time about the fairy tale where the Southern Strategy never occured, and the Dixiecrats never joined and took over the republican party!

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Your response shows that you are indeed ignorant of the "Southern Strategy".
 
2014-03-10 09:00:03 PM  

DrBenway: bobothemagnificent: wyltoknow: hardinparamedic: bobothemagnificent: 4th, hey liberals: it was republicans that abolished slavery.  It was democrats that opposed abolishment of a despicable, vile, and unholy institution of slavery.  Think about that before you start bashing republicans or conservatives.  And if you point out that today's republicans are all racists, I'll point out to you that one of the longest serving Senators was a grand wizard of the KKK and a liberal democrat.

Grandpa bobo, tell us one more time about the fairy tale where the Southern Strategy never occured, and the Dixiecrats never joined and took over the republican party!

Not to mention that morons who try to argue that seem to forget the fact that it was conservative Democrats who wanted slavery. Conservative Republicans were on the fence about it, they certainly didn't hate it, and they decried Lincoln for taking "extreme" measures like making slavery illegal in the Union states and allowing his military to free slaves of any plantations they came across. Lincoln was somewhat moderate, very liberal. But don't let any pesky historic facts get in the way of modern-day GOP trying to prove that there's not racism in their midst.

I also recall many of those same Liberal Republicans, including Lincoln himself, support the sending of slaves back to Africa.  The fundamental forming of the Republican Party was stopping of slavery in the territories.  The real radicals were people like William Garrison Lloyd, who incidentally wasn't a Republican, advocating for abolition because in those days that was considered an extreme view.  Again, your using our modern day morality and applying it to an issue that is 250+ years in the past.  Nobody, with very few exceptions (Frederick Douglas springs immediately to mind) was a saint during those days.  William Lloyd Garrison was better than most, but even he had some pretty racial views according to Frederick Douglas, and he regularly associated with Garrison ...


If I cared about impressing someone, I tow the line that all conservatives are racist.  Since I don't really care about impressing anyone, consider it noted and rejected.  This is one of those few things that will really piss me off and frankly I'm tired of the lie.  I will respond in kind to accusations of racism by conservatives.
 
2014-03-10 09:02:26 PM  
The pendulum of justice swings too far in both directions, often.  When oppressed people finally start to get their rights, there will always be some who take it too far.  And when the other side notices them taking it too far, there will be backlash, and some from the other side will take this backlash too far.

But when I once found myself irritated at some in the anti-racism movement taking things a bit too far, and I was about to call them out on it, a wise man once told me "Hang on, son.  Look, these people have had their lives and spirits stolen and raped for generations.  They are mourning the loss of their parents' souls, their grandparents' souls.  As long as they don't go around lynching people just for being white, just let them mourn."
 
2014-03-10 09:05:41 PM  

bobothemagnificent: FlashHarry: Hickory-smoked: bobothemagnificent: [img.fark.net image 249x398]

You know that image is a photoshop, right?

Byrd publicly disavowed White Nationalism over 30 years ago, and his voting record supported that. You're going to have to find a better "but-but-but" when Conservatives still have publications like American Spectator running around.

don't bother - the more i think about it, the more i realize that he's a troll. nobody can be that ignorant.

I knew it was photoshopped.  I also know what Byrd's record was.  It doesn't change the fact that he was a grand wizard.  It also goes to show you that democrats have just as many skeletons in their closet, to.  Hence, not throwing stones at glass houses.  I also know that Republicans aren't racist as they are made out to be.  I also know that I get more racial crap from a liberal any day of the week than I do from any conservative I know.

I will say it again, apparently the liberals around here are either A) more ignorant than they call other people or B) unable to perform basic reading comprehension or C) both

The modern day conservative movement is not racist.  You cannot compare the modern day conservative movement to anything that occurred 250+ year ago. We believe that race is a non-issue, should be a non-issue, and those who attempt to play the race card have no better defense for their ideals rather than scream "that's racist".  The idea of racism is repugnant, outdated, and foisted on an angry left that really can't get over the idea that just because we don't believe in government programs to solve every single problem in the world we are racist.


Christ man.  What in the world gives you some kind of satisfaction in posting garbage like this?  Do you really think people buy this stuff?  Do you really think people in general are  thatdim?  What kind of sick person would post something like that for sport?
 
2014-03-10 09:06:24 PM  

Ral: I'm sure that there indeed were contented slaves and benevolent masters.  That does not, however, mitigate the evil of slavery.  If anything, that makes it all the more horrifying.


The very act of keeping another human being in bondage for any reason makes the description "benevolent" meaningless.
As for "contented", anyone can be this way given a set of circumstances when that is all they know. That is called "ignorance".
 
2014-03-10 09:07:20 PM  

bobothemagnificent: FlashHarry: bobothemagnificent:


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This whole thread was a troll thread from the get go.


The article is genuine and the person who wrote it believes in their article, So thread is not trolling but rather presenting a sitting duck.
 
2014-03-10 09:09:11 PM  

jnapier: I'm confused.
Republicans freed the slaves and were the first to suggest giving women the vote.

Who's the conservative?


They also supported the Equal Rights Amendment until Saint Ronny ran for and became President, it went downhill from there.
 
2014-03-10 09:11:16 PM  

Ambivalence: The practice of slavery was, at its nature, dehumanizing and cruel. kindness would be the exception, not the rule.


No matter how kind my "owner" was, I believe I might still have some trouble being content. You know, being "owned" and all kinda puts a damper on the contentment.
 
2014-03-10 09:12:46 PM  
bobothemagnificent:

The modern day conservative movement is not racist.  You cannot compare the modern day conservative movement to anything that occurred 250+ year ago. We believe that race is a non-issue, should be a non-issue, and those who attempt to play the race card have no better defense for their ideals rather than scream "that's racist".  The idea of racism is repugnant, outdated, and foisted on an angry left that really can't get over the idea that just because we don't believe in government programs to solve every single problem in the world we are racist.

Let them mourn.  They aren't lynching white people.
 
2014-03-10 09:14:11 PM  

bobothemagnificent: If I cared about impressing someone, I tow the line that all conservatives are racist. Since I don't really care about impressing anyone, consider it noted and rejected. This is one of those few things that will really piss me off and frankly I'm tired of the lie. I will respond in kind to accusations of racism by conservatives.


So, it's more akin to a sort of keyboard diarrhea where you can't stop typing once you get started then? Noted. Still neither impressive nor convincing. What I take away from all your efforts is a lot of flop sweat.
 
2014-03-10 09:15:15 PM  

bobothemagnificent: As for the Southern Strategy, you also fail to recognize that modern day conservatism is not the same as it was 250 years ago.


I like how you say this in the same thread that you pulled the Byrd card.

So it's cool for you to judge based on no longer relevant history, but not for other people?

What was that you were saying about glass houses?
 
2014-03-10 09:17:07 PM  

bobothemagnificent: The modern day conservative movement is not racist.


*Ahem*

The modern day conservative movement, in and of itself, may not be racist, just like the modern day liberal movement, in and of itself, may not be racist, either.  But don't try to deny that there are racists on both sides of the aisle.  TODAY.
 
2014-03-10 09:17:11 PM  

Meesterjojo: my people built their pyramids


I'm sorry, but gtfo of here with that shiat. Slaves didn't build the pyramids.
 
2014-03-10 09:17:28 PM  

ozzie_stu: anyone care about white slavery and the millions of whities sold into slavery ?

"Historians estimate that between 650 and 1900, 10 to 18 million peoples were enslaved by Arab slave traders and taken from Europe " ...  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade


Yes, douchebag.

No person should ever own another.  Is that all you want someone to say?
 
2014-03-10 09:19:23 PM  

Prey4reign: So, I'm guessing if Bowman and crew could find one kind slavemaster or one contented slave in the history of American slavery, that would make the diseased and rotten edifice of slavery okay?  What would these revisionists have McQueen do, stray away from Northrup's narrative to create the anti-version of slavery -- a plantation where the slaves were treated with dignity and never mistreated and never having offspring sold off to other slaveowners and where all the slaves went to bed peacefully each night, well fed and rested for another voluntary day of paying for their keep?

Who besides kooks like Hanitty would even believe such an alternate universe existed?


It would be completely irrelevant. There may well have been "kind" slaveowners and "contented" slaves in America (most of them, likely, since the majority of slaveowners had fewer than ten slaves--although "indifferent" is probably a better term). Slaveowners weren't beating and raping their slaves 24/7 if that's the definition of "mean" slavemaster. But none of that matters. Slaves could have lived in luxury and been waited on hand and foot instead once they were bought, and it would have been just as bad.

The wrong and evil thing about slavery was not how badly slaves were treated physically. It was their status as property. It was not whether their owner was kind or cruel, whether they were well-fed or ill-fed, overworked or underworked--it's that they were OWNED. It is that they were reduced by law to less than human. Anything after that is a result of that status. So arguing about whether there were kind slaveowners is the wrong argument--there probably were, and probably  most of them were kind (or, as I say, indifferent), assuming by kind you mean they weren't beating their slaves all the time. But that means nothing because they were OWNERS, and by definition, the owners of other people are not good people.

Now since Hollywood likes spectacle, and because it's hard to show abstract concepts like ownership and chatteldom on film, they play up the cruel aspects of slavery (beating, rape, abuse) because that sells tickets; and a film about the daily routine on a plantation would be pretty dull anyway. It wouldn't show the ugly reality of being property and being treated as property every day because there's no way to show that state of mind without showing some kind of unthinking abuse. But that doesn't mean it was ubiquitous (or that it didn't happen); just that it's not the most important thing about slavery. But there weren't "kind" slavemasters or "happy" slaves either. Sorry.
 
2014-03-10 09:19:34 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: "And in 'Roots' why didn't they ever show Toby thanking the benevolent men for taking away that mouthful of a moniker and giving him a name so easily found on gift-shop keychains and novelty license plates?"


And I'm sure he walked just fine with half a foot after he done tried to run away... he probably had a mess of corns and bunions that were painin' him somethin' bad...
 
2014-03-10 09:21:27 PM  

bobothemagnificent: We believe that race is a non-issue


Ignoring the institutional racism ingrained in our socioeconomic and political systems is itself racist. "I don't see race" doesn't help to fix this racism, it's just a feel-good phrase for those who are not on the receiving end of it.
 
2014-03-10 09:21:38 PM  

grumpfuff: bobothemagnificent: As for the Southern Strategy, you also fail to recognize that modern day conservatism is not the same as it was 250 years ago.

I like how you say this in the same thread that you pulled the Byrd card.

So it's cool for you to judge based on no longer relevant history, but not for other people?

What was that you were saying about glass houses?


That, and he wants to play the race card... as long as it is pinned on the other team.  He can decry the "race card" as something bad... until you want to pin realracism on "the left."  Then its race cards away.  These guys, I swear... it would be funny if they weren't so farking ugly.
 
2014-03-10 09:23:37 PM  

grumpfuff: Meesterjojo: my people built their pyramids

I'm sorry, but gtfo of here with that shiat. Slaves didn't build the pyramids.


i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-03-10 09:28:32 PM  

karmaceutical: grumpfuff: bobothemagnificent: As for the Southern Strategy, you also fail to recognize that modern day conservatism is not the same as it was 250 years ago.

I like how you say this in the same thread that you pulled the Byrd card.

So it's cool for you to judge based on no longer relevant history, but not for other people?

What was that you were saying about glass houses?

That, and he wants to play the race card... as long as it is pinned on the other team.  He can decry the "race card" as something bad... until you want to pin realracism on "the left."  Then its race cards away.  These guys, I swear... it would be funny if they weren't so farking ugly.


To be fair his position is a fair rebuttal of those in the thread (quite a few I might add) eho were claiming that Republicans and only Republicans are racist. A position just as ludicrous.
 
2014-03-10 09:29:07 PM  

Fissile: TV's Vinnie: Remember that time when a slave owner sent a letter to his former slave, asking him to come back to the South with his family and work for him again? The letter that was sent back in reply was Epic beyond comprehension.

Dayton, Ohio, August 7, 1865

To My Old Master, Colonel P.H. Anderson, Big Spring, Tennessee

Sir,

I got your letter and was glad to find you had not forgotten Jourdon, and that you wanted me to come back and live with you again, promising to do better for me than anybody else can. I have often felt uneasy about you. I thought the Yankees would have hung you long before this for harboring Rebs they found at your house. I suppose they never heard about your going to Col. Martin's to kill the Union soldier that was left by his company in their stable. Although you shot at me twice before I left you, I did not want to hear of your being hurt, and am glad you are still living. It would do me good to go back to the dear old home again and see Miss Mary and Miss Martha and Allen, Esther, Green, and Lee. Give my love to them all, and tell them I hope we will meet in the better world, if not in this. I would have gone back to see you all when I was working in the Nashville Hospital, but one of the neighbors told me Henry intended to shoot me if he ever got a chance.

Check this, 140 years after the fact, these unreconstructed rebs are still biatching about it!
Prior to 2006, historian, Raymond Winbush, tracked down the living relatives of the Colonel in Big Spring, reporting that they "are still angry at Jordan for not coming back," knowing that the plantation was in serious disrepair after the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Anderson


Ain't no butthurt like Southern Butthurt.
 
2014-03-10 09:32:08 PM  
I stopped reading at "Trayon Martin,"
 
2014-03-10 09:32:10 PM  

CanisNoir: karmaceutical: grumpfuff: bobothemagnificent: As for the Southern Strategy, you also fail to recognize that modern day conservatism is not the same as it was 250 years ago.

I like how you say this in the same thread that you pulled the Byrd card.

So it's cool for you to judge based on no longer relevant history, but not for other people?

What was that you were saying about glass houses?

That, and he wants to play the race card... as long as it is pinned on the other team.  He can decry the "race card" as something bad... until you want to pin realracism on "the left."  Then its race cards away.  These guys, I swear... it would be funny if they weren't so farking ugly.

To be fair his position is a fair rebuttal of those in the thread (quite a few I might add) eho were claiming that Republicans and only Republicans are racist. A position just as ludicrous.


No one has made that claim.
 
2014-03-10 09:35:29 PM  

Flab: grumpfuff: Meesterjojo: my people built their pyramids

I'm sorry, but gtfo of here with that shiat. Slaves didn't build the pyramids.

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While I got a chuckle, no, that's not the route I was going for either.
 
2014-03-10 09:35:49 PM  
Anyone see the SNL sketch with Jim Parsons about the 12 Years a Slave casting sessions?

/my bookmark
 
2014-03-10 09:38:42 PM  

Mugato: Slaves didn't have to pay taxes, right?


Not to a government, no. But they had to pay for their food. To the company store, so to speak.
 
2014-03-10 09:50:40 PM  
Dammit subby, I clicked on that link and read half of that article.  I was only able to read half because I literally lost my cognitive skills from the sheer stupidity of it, and I forgot how to read at that point.  Only just figured out that the square peg can't go in the round hole.
 
2014-03-10 09:53:43 PM  

bobothemagnificent: The modern day conservative movement is not racist. You cannot compare the modern day conservative movement to anything that occurred 250+ year ago. We believe that race is a non-issue, should be a non-issue, and those who attempt to play the race card have no better defense for their ideals rather than scream "that's racist".


Right, which is why we just had 5+ years of innuendo reported as fact about the first black president being not a real American.....
 
2014-03-10 09:53:47 PM  

jigger: Mugato: Slaves didn't have to pay taxes, right?

Their income was taxed at 100%.


And look how hard they worked, too. When you tax the poor at a high rate, they'll be forced to work harder.
 
2014-03-10 09:54:45 PM  

grumpfuff: Flab: grumpfuff: Meesterjojo: my people built their pyramids

I'm sorry, but gtfo of here with that shiat. Slaves didn't build the pyramids.

[i1.ytimg.com image 850x478]

While I got a chuckle, no, that's not the route I was going for either.


You looking fro brawn, look no further than

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-10 09:57:40 PM  

bobothemagnificent: Keep in mind that based on the European model of the political spectrum, even our most conservative is a raging liberal by their standards.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-03-10 09:59:49 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: grumpfuff: Flab: grumpfuff: Meesterjojo: my people built their pyramids

I'm sorry, but gtfo of here with that shiat. Slaves didn't build the pyramids.

[i1.ytimg.com image 850x478]

While I got a chuckle, no, that's not the route I was going for either.

You looking fro brawn, look no further than

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 850x727]


wtfisthisshiat.jpg
 
2014-03-10 10:00:42 PM  

fusillade762: bobothemagnificent: Keep in mind that based on the European model of the political spectrum, even our most conservative is a raging liberal by their standards.

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The really funny part is how ass-backwards that statement is. Our liberals are their conservatives.
 
2014-03-10 10:00:52 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: grumpfuff: Flab: grumpfuff: Meesterjojo: my people built their pyramids

I'm sorry, but gtfo of here with that shiat. Slaves didn't build the pyramids.

[i1.ytimg.com image 850x478]

While I got a chuckle, no, that's not the route I was going for either.

You looking fro brawn, look no further than

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 850x727]


My gut reaction was someone is trolling YEC with that.
 
2014-03-10 10:03:08 PM  
I've often wondered about this.  It seems to me that if you were a decent businessman, you'd want to purchase good quality slaves and retain them.  Giving at least as much attention to their health as you would a team of horses.  Not housing them in such a way that you were guaranteed to lose half each winter.  And not working them to death as wouldn't need explaining.  Once a slave had been transported there would be, not just the prospect of escape but also the difficulty of a long, unaided journey that must be done undetected which would help put some pressure on a slave not to attempt.  You'd have to hire some men to watch them and discipline them.  So you would end up with the occasion gungho sadistic fark.  It seems given all the possible defining dynamics that a great range of possible plantation environments could come about.

But we will never know the unbiased truth about it.  Ever.  Best case scenario I figure would be some kind of complacent Stockholm syndrome.  And that's a really bad best case.
 
2014-03-10 10:03:15 PM  

FlashHarry: republicans: on the right side of history in 1863, on the wrong side today.


You. Are. Awesome.

Anyway, it's too far into this thread to matter but I wanted to say my faith in you Farkers is partly rehabilitated if not really restored.  I scrolled the first page of comments and it is mostly full of sanity, plus a few trolls who were basically ignored.
 
2014-03-10 10:06:47 PM  

meat0918: InterruptingQuirk: grumpfuff: Flab: grumpfuff: Meesterjojo: my people built their pyramids

I'm sorry, but gtfo of here with that shiat. Slaves didn't build the pyramids.

[i1.ytimg.com image 850x478]

While I got a chuckle, no, that's not the route I was going for either.

You looking fro brawn, look no further than

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 850x727]

My gut reaction was someone is trolling YEC with that.


Possible, but it would be a terrible job of it. The last of the mammoths died out somewhere around 2000 BCE. While the majority of them died out during the Quaternary extinction(around 10,000 BCE), small pockets survived on islands..somewhere. Alaska, I want to say.
 
2014-03-10 10:07:28 PM  

grumpfuff: wtfisthisshiat.jpg


meat0918: My gut reaction was someone is trolling YEC with that.


The last ones died out less than 4,000 years ago. Granted, that was near the Arctic Circle. . .


/it's fun to dream
//jus sayin
///slashies
 
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