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2014-03-10 07:35:09 PM  

Hickory-smoked: bobothemagnificent: [img.fark.net image 249x398]

You know that image is a photoshop, right?

Byrd publicly disavowed White Nationalism over 30 years ago, and his voting record supported that. You're going to have to find a better "but-but-but" when Conservatives still have publications like American Spectator running around.


don't bother - the more i think about it, the more i realize that he's a troll. nobody can be that ignorant.
 
2014-03-10 07:35:30 PM  

snowshovel: Maybe if you libs stopped foc using on the plight of poor man and spent more time dissecting real history films like Flags of our Fathers you'd understand the real history mullets of our country. But Yay. .. continue to ignore that people voted overwhelming Republican in the last mid terms and only last three Senate Thanks to Acorn.


Drunk posting is so sad.
 
2014-03-10 07:36:12 PM  
 
2014-03-10 07:36:16 PM  

FlashHarry: bobothemagnificent:

btw, i'm not sure what the mcgovern pin has to do with anything. he was one of the most libbbiest libs who ever libbed. want to guess how many states he carried in '72?

don't bother; here's a map:


I couldn't see the map, but I think it's safe to say that neither party is free of a racist minority.
 
2014-03-10 07:36:54 PM  

CanisNoir: WizardofToast: There needs to be a bingo sheet of people getting defensive when there's a discussion about slavery in the United States

"Most slaves were happy"

"Africa started it"

"Emancipation Proclamation not needed because slavery was going to fade out anyway"

"Civil War was over states rights"

"Whites were slaves In America, too"

To address your points:
1: The notion that slaves were happy was a common theme in the South but failed to hold water when the fear the South had pver slave revolts is pointed out. Very few, if anyone, today believe that most slaves were happy.
2: Nobody claims Africa started it. They do point put the active complicity of African tribes though. Speaking of American chattel slavery, it would be more accurate to da Europe started it.
3: Most did at the time believe that the institution would die out on it's own. They were wrong.
4: The civil war was faught over fisunion. Southern states seceded to protect slavery and the North went to war to preserve the Union.
5: I don't see how pointing this out as historical fact detracts from the horror of slavery as an institution.


1. Welcome back. We haven't seen you in a while.
2. Your typing seems worse than I remember it. Did something happen to you, or is it beer o'clock already?
 
2014-03-10 07:36:55 PM  
 
2014-03-10 07:38:40 PM  

lockers: Is this what conservatives libertarians have been reduced to?

 
2014-03-10 07:39:01 PM  
I'm confused.
Republicans freed the slaves and were the first to suggest giving women the vote.

Who's the conservative?
 
2014-03-10 07:40:05 PM  

scottydoesntknow: When my mom was in her early teens, she got into an argument with my great-grandmother over this. My mom just found out that her great-grandfather owned plantations with slaves (he was a colonel for the confederate army).

Mom: Wait, so great-grandpa owned slaves?!
GG: Yes, but they all loved him!
Mom: Of course they did! They were forced to! I'd say I loved anyone if it meant I wouldn't be beaten or sold!
GG: THEY! LOVED! HIM! I WILL NOT HAVE YOU SAY OTHERWISE! *she starts shaking at this point*
Mom's mom: Shush. Don't agitate your grandma!

Apparently one of the ways of justifying having racist slave owners in your family tree is by saying all the slaves loved their masters and were treated so nice.


That's nothing.  My step-father's family owns thousands of acres in southern Alabama, and a small black family lives on that land.  That black family is, as a matter of fact, the indentured descendants of the original slaves who worked on that land.  They get payed to help with the crops and are treated generously by the family, but as far as anyone in the family is concerned, the civil war never happened.
 
2014-03-10 07:41:00 PM  

CanisNoir: I couldn't see the map, but I think it's safe to say that neither party is free of a racist minority.


the map is the big red thing below my post. red for republican.

as for both parties, while i'm sure you're correct, i would wager that 98 percent of the country's racists self-identify as conservative republicans. so you're comparing a grain of sand to the sahara desert.
 
2014-03-10 07:42:33 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Apparently the opinion of Mr. Ford(violin gifter) was more favorable in the book than it was even in the movie.


It is.  Ford is referred to as a "good man" a few times throughout the book.  I thought movie did a good job of showing the contrast between Ford's reading of the Bible to his slaves to give them hope and some degree or feeling of dignity and Epps' reading it to justify his mistreatment of them.
 
2014-03-10 07:43:21 PM  
But to be fair, conservatives are also upset that they quit selling Ovaltine.
 
2014-03-10 07:43:54 PM  
It doesn't boggle my mind that a white man would have this argument in his head in this day and age.  It boggles my mind that he thought it was worth writing about in such a manner.  Note how he dismisses Northrop's memoir as propoganda:

The historical Solomon's memoir of the same title as the movie was avowedly and understandably anti-slavery propaganda and was made much of, along with Uncle Tom's Cabin, by abolitionists in the North.

It may have been used as propaganda, but the story was terrifying and outlined the cruelty and absurdity of slavery in the US.  No one disputes what happened to him.
 
2014-03-10 07:44:16 PM  

FlashHarry: hint: if you're defending slavery, you're a farking racist.

stupid person who shouldn't be allowed to breathe.

Slavery is one of the darkest evils in our world. The fact that it still exists in places is repulsive and disgusting.
 
2014-03-10 07:44:35 PM  

FlashHarry: bobothemagnificent: hey liberals: it was republicans that abolished slavery.

THEN WHY ARE THEY THE ONES DEFENDING IT TODAY?


The former Confederacy was solidly Democratic until national Democratic leaders in the 1940s and 1960s embraced civil rights for blacks, which eroded support for Democratic presidents in the South and inspired Richard Nixon and later Republicans to consciously appeal to these lifelong Democratic voters to vote Republican for president, which they did. Southerners were slower to actually give up their Democratic identity and it wasn't until the 1990s that Southern congressional delegations and state offices were flipped Republican en masse.
 
2014-03-10 07:45:18 PM  

Prey4reign: FlashHarry: i think the GOP should finance a conservative film about slavery called "Lawdy, Massuh Sho Bin Good t'Us."

Didn't Hollywood already do that back in the 1930s?  Gone With The Wind was as much a mythical remembrance of the gentility and kindness of Southerners as it was a grand, sweeping romance (I think I just threw up in my mouth a little).  After all, Scarlet, her dad, Ashley and the rest of the plantation owners were a bunch of refined gentlemen and women and the only awful and evil white Southerner was the overseer everyone seemed to frown on.  It wasn't the stupidity of the plantation set that brought the South to ruin -- it was that demon Sherman and his uncouth and loutish soldiers.  And didn't all the slaves stick around to help Scarlet resurrect Tara?  Oh right, except for the field slaves (not even shown in the movie).  They became pawns in the hands of the likes of the overseer everyone disapproved of who became a carpet bagger.


I think you forgot Birth of a Nation before that which was a silent film.
 
2014-03-10 07:45:58 PM  
Slavery sucks, and was/is a terrible dehumanizing thing. So is working at just about any modern low skill hourly job. You may not get whipped by your master at the fast food restaurant, but then again, your master won't fire you and cause you to miss your rent payment and get evicted because your kids get sick. Basically if you are at the bottom of the social pecking order in any society, prepared to be treated like crap, because humans are exceptional at treating those lesser than them like garbage. It is probably the greatest strength (and horror) of the human race is the ability to dehumanize and use other humans as expendable resources.
 
2014-03-10 07:51:39 PM  

Animatronik: Isitoveryet: Ahhh the modern Conservative, trying desperately to point out that it's the Democratic Party that are the racists! not the GOP! as if having to defend reality is too much to bear.

it's awesome, they tell you Lincoln was a Republican! then emancipation proclamation! and it pretty much ends right there.... right where it should end, because if they went any further, they'd show how Republicans are the real racists AND THAT DOES NOT FIT THE NARRATIVE!

you know what they want to do is start off by saying African Americans are soooo stupid (but not exactly those words), they vote (D) when it was the (R) that set them free!   why, they should be voting (R)!!!!

Ah the modern Democrat, who has figured out that, since 45% of the population is non-white and naturally distrustful of conservatives, liberals should never miss an opportunity to use race-baiting to convince that part of the electorate that all conservatives are evil racists bent on keeping them down!! If you put half as much energy into working on the real problems, we'd actually be solving them, instead of falling behind.


If conservatives really cared about so-called "race baiting", they shouldn't be giving the liberals so much ammunition.
 
2014-03-10 07:51:46 PM  

Kozmopoliskepticalopsis: snowshovel: Maybe if you libs stopped foc using on the plight of poor man and spent more time dissecting real history films like Flags of our Fathers you'd understand the real history mullets of our country. But Yay. .. continue to ignore that people voted overwhelming Republican in the last mid terms and only last three Senate Thanks to Acorn.

Drunk Stupid posting is so sad.


The alcohol has nothing to do with teh sad.
 
2014-03-10 07:51:46 PM  

TrixieDelite: serpent_sky: lockers: Is this what conservatives have been reduced to?

They're in the midst of a major outreach to minorities and women.

[img.fark.net image 599x338]


...and this is why you're green...
 
2014-03-10 07:51:47 PM  
1.  I liked the movie.
2.  It was an historical account, Hollywood dramatization notwithstanding.  I haven't read the book (I'm going to), but I'm willing to bet the original story wasn't changed too much, unlike, say, "Lawnmower Man".
3.  To claim it was propaganda, particularly from a movie critic, is, well, just dumb.  Propaganda is "We've always been at war with Eastasia; they are our enemy".  Northrup's account (in the movie) does not overtly say slavery is bad, it merely relates his personal story.  The audience decides which side of the moral fence they stand on.  Indeed, it is the antithesis of propaganda.
4.  Freedom and happiness are two different things; rational people would agree that the latter depends on the former.  For Bowman to suggest that subjugation can breed contentment is utterly bizarre.
5.  Bowman is a farktard.
 
2014-03-10 07:56:26 PM  

Flab: CanisNoir: WizardofToast: There needs to be a bingo sheet of people getting defensive when there's a discussion about slavery in the United States

"Most slaves were happy"

"Africa started it"

"Emancipation Proclamation not needed because slavery was going to fade out anyway"

"Civil War was over states rights"

"Whites were slaves In America, too"

To address your points:
1: The notion that slaves were happy was a common theme in the South but failed to hold water when the fear the South had pver slave revolts is pointed out. Very few, if anyone, today believe that most slaves were happy.
2: Nobody claims Africa started it. They do point put the active complicity of African tribes though. Speaking of American chattel slavery, it would be more accurate to da Europe started it.
3: Most did at the time believe that the institution would die out on it's own. They were wrong.
4: The civil war was faught over fisunion. Southern states seceded to protect slavery and the North went to war to preserve the Union.
5: I don't see how pointing this out as historical fact detracts from the horror of slavery as an institution.

1. Welcome back. We haven't seen you in a while.
2. Your typing seems worse than I remember it. Did something happen to you, or is it beer o'clock already?


Thanks :) typing sux because I'm relegated to posting from my phone at the moment.
 
2014-03-10 07:57:52 PM  

cybrwzrd: Slavery sucks, and was/is a terrible dehumanizing thing. So is working at just about any modern low skill hourly job. You may not get whipped by your master at the fast food restaurant, but then again, your master won't fire you and cause you to miss your rent payment and get evicted because your kids get sick.


Both sides are bad, so vote slavery?
 
2014-03-10 07:58:57 PM  
Slavery?  Hey!  Free sex.

/I'm going to go wash my hands about a dozen times now.
 
2014-03-10 07:59:27 PM  

FlashHarry: CanisNoir: I couldn't see the map, but I think it's safe to say that neither party is free of a racist minority.

the map is the big red thing below my post. red for republican.

as for both parties, while i'm sure you're correct, i would wager that 98 percent of the country's racists self-identify as conservative republicans. so you're comparing a grain of sand to the sahara desert.


The map hadn't shon up when I posted but after the refresh. While you may be correct that more racists identify as Republican, they make up a tiny minority of the party, and the notion that Republicans in general are racist is laughably false.
 
2014-03-10 08:01:26 PM  
When George Washington died and his 300 slaves became free, it caused some problems because some were MARRIED to other slaves in neighboring plantations who were still slaves.
 
2014-03-10 08:07:49 PM  
Wow.
 
2014-03-10 08:08:14 PM  

Latinwolf: Prey4reign: FlashHarry: i think the GOP should finance a conservative film about slavery called "Lawdy, Massuh Sho Bin Good t'Us."

Didn't Hollywood already do that back in the 1930s?  Gone With The Wind was as much a mythical remembrance of the gentility and kindness of Southerners as it was a grand, sweeping romance (I think I just threw up in my mouth a little).  After all, Scarlet, her dad, Ashley and the rest of the plantation owners were a bunch of refined gentlemen and women and the only awful and evil white Southerner was the overseer everyone seemed to frown on.  It wasn't the stupidity of the plantation set that brought the South to ruin -- it was that demon Sherman and his uncouth and loutish soldiers.  And didn't all the slaves stick around to help Scarlet resurrect Tara?  Oh right, except for the field slaves (not even shown in the movie).  They became pawns in the hands of the likes of the overseer everyone disapproved of who became a carpet bagger.

I think you forgot Birth of a Nation before that which was a silent film.


If I recall correctly, there wasn't a whole lot of ex-slaves exclaiming how well "Massuh" had treated them.  I think it depicted the reemergence of the noble Southerner and his reaction and retribution against the dreaded Yankees and their carpetbagger agents who were responsible for fomenting sedition and treason amongst the freed black slaves.
 
2014-03-10 08:10:52 PM  
bobothemagnificent: few points here.  1st, the article is trying to point out that not every single slave owner that ever lived was as how they are usually portrayed in Hollywood.  In reality, and history DOES back this up, there were many slave owners that were just the opposite of what you see in Hollywood.

They taxed their possessions at 100% and let them keep a ribbon in their bonnet - after they were deflowered/broken?

I'm not sure what's more offensive - your perversion of history, or your perversion of character.

why not both?
 
2014-03-10 08:12:23 PM  

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thank you white jesus !!
and 

SEASON 4  is COMING SOON!!!
 
2014-03-10 08:13:27 PM  

wyltoknow: hardinparamedic: bobothemagnificent: 4th, hey liberals: it was republicans that abolished slavery.  It was democrats that opposed abolishment of a despicable, vile, and unholy institution of slavery.  Think about that before you start bashing republicans or conservatives.  And if you point out that today's republicans are all racists, I'll point out to you that one of the longest serving Senators was a grand wizard of the KKK and a liberal democrat.

Grandpa bobo, tell us one more time about the fairy tale where the Southern Strategy never occured, and the Dixiecrats never joined and took over the republican party!

Not to mention that morons who try to argue that seem to forget the fact that it was conservative Democrats who wanted slavery. Conservative Republicans were on the fence about it, they certainly didn't hate it, and they decried Lincoln for taking "extreme" measures like making slavery illegal in the Union states and allowing his military to free slaves of any plantations they came across. Lincoln was somewhat moderate, very liberal. But don't let any pesky historic facts get in the way of modern-day GOP trying to prove that there's not racism in their midst.


I also recall many of those same Liberal Republicans, including Lincoln himself, support the sending of slaves back to Africa.  The fundamental forming of the Republican Party was stopping of slavery in the territories.  The real radicals were people like William Garrison Lloyd, who incidentally wasn't a Republican, advocating for abolition because in those days that was considered an extreme view.  Again, your using our modern day morality and applying it to an issue that is 250+ years in the past.  Nobody, with very few exceptions (Frederick Douglas springs immediately to mind) was a saint during those days.  William Lloyd Garrison was better than most, but even he had some pretty racial views according to Frederick Douglas, and he regularly associated with Garrison.  The conservative republicans you're mentioning opposed slavery on economic grounds primarily, realizing that it was in the end, unsustainable.  They were also unsure that Lincoln had the authority to free the slaves through what was, essentially, and executive order.  In the end, they did support him.  At any rate, you can't take the morality of today and impose it on the distant past.  It's like going up to the early Christians who decided to make everyone in Europe a Christian by sword to be tolerant of other people's religious beliefs.  They'll smile and cut you down as being a heretic.  It doesn't work.  That's what the article is trying to point out, but does a very poor job of it.  It's also what pisses me off when conservatives are called racist when in reality nothing is further from the truth, especially when the irony the Democrats, who originally supported slavery, call Republicans, who originally supported stopping the expansion of slavery and then ended up ending slavery, racists.

As for the Southern Strategy, you also fail to recognize that modern day conservatism is not the same as it was 250 years ago.  Keep in mind that based on the European model of the political spectrum, even our most conservative is a raging liberal by their standards.  The origin of modern day progressivism is, in fact, founded along the lines of conservative European thinking that an aristocracy is needed because we the peons don't know what's best for us.  Oh they can't come out and say it, but deep down that's what they believe.  You see it with the infamous Nanny State concept of making anything that can be construed as bad for you high regulated or even illegal, and I'm not talking about narcotics.  I'm talking about meat, salt, caffeine, sugar, etc.  You see it in the need for everything to be made into a Gov't program because you know, if left to their own devices, nobody will help anyone else out.  I, on the other hand, follow a more liberal (again, by European standards) idea that every person is capable of making their own choices.  I also believe in charitable giving, and I do give both money and time.   1st, nobody in the conservative movement wants to bring back slavery or go back to segregation.  2nd, we believe in a limited government as designed by the constitution.  If you want to change the constitution, go through an amendment process.  Don't do it through the courts, through executive orders, or half-assed ill thought out pieces of legislation that grant powers or rights that was never intended to be given to the government in the first place.
 
2014-03-10 08:14:20 PM  
Let's just agree that none of us were alive in America's slavery days, so it's impossible for us to truly "know" if it was as bad as some might claim. We also weren't at Dachau, so who's to say if Jews were worked a little too hard on occasion. Some people agree with the Earth being God's creation and only about 6000 years old, and some would disagree with that. We won't know the answers to a lot of questions until we're in Heaven my friends.
 
2014-03-10 08:15:13 PM  

Pedro's Rooster: cybrwzrd: Slavery sucks, and was/is a terrible dehumanizing thing. So is working at just about any modern low skill hourly job. You may not get whipped by your master at the fast food restaurant, but then again, your master won't fire you and cause you to miss your rent payment and get evicted because your kids get sick.

Both sides are bad, so vote slavery?


Naw, that really isn't my point. My point is that maybe we need to focus on fixing the dehumanizing aspects of modern life and the human condition instead of whining about crap that happened 100+ years ago.
 
2014-03-10 08:15:34 PM  

FlashHarry: Hickory-smoked: bobothemagnificent: [img.fark.net image 249x398]

You know that image is a photoshop, right?

Byrd publicly disavowed White Nationalism over 30 years ago, and his voting record supported that. You're going to have to find a better "but-but-but" when Conservatives still have publications like American Spectator running around.

don't bother - the more i think about it, the more i realize that he's a troll. nobody can be that ignorant.


Never underestimate the willful ignorance of a Teabagger.
 
2014-03-10 08:17:03 PM  

cybrwzrd: Slavery sucks, and was/is a terrible dehumanizing thing. So is working at just about any modern low skill hourly job. You may not get whipped by your master at the fast food restaurant, but then again, your master won't fire you and cause you to miss your rent payment and get evicted because your kids get sick. Basically if you are at the bottom of the social pecking order in any society, prepared to be treated like crap, because humans are exceptional at treating those lesser than them like garbage. It is probably the greatest strength (and horror) of the human race is the ability to dehumanize and use other humans as expendable resources.


Oh yes they would - but you'd get shot instead of "endin' up a rebel kneegro"
 
2014-03-10 08:18:59 PM  
(that said, if you compare the wealth distrubution in the US today to the wealth distribution to the era of slavery in the regional south, they are related as a ratio.

that is, to say, slavery has benefitted from the era of petroleum and mass production to provide better food and shelter for the slaves.

This has happened before and it will happen again.
 
2014-03-10 08:20:04 PM  

FlashHarry: HotWingConspiracy: I highly encourage the conservative grift movement to bankroll a film showing all the feel good times that slavery produced during that period.

and as it might be tough to find african-american actors to star in such a film, it might be necessary to have white actors made up to look like african slaves... "blackface," if you will.


They can hire Herman Cain and Clarence Thomas.
 
2014-03-10 08:21:48 PM  
"A wedding is supposed to be a happy occasion! Let's not argue and bicker over who killed who."

What good reason is there for trying to downplay the horrors of slavery? I used to get this stuff from my father (who was from Louisiana) when I was a kid. "Uncle Tom's Cabin was propaganda. People didn't beat their slaves, they were valuable property! But my father was extremely racist. He only had one black friend that I knew of, and "Roscoe's not like the others."
 
2014-03-10 08:22:11 PM  
And might I add to those Americans ashamed of our past take pride in these facts...
1: America struggled with the morality of the institution of slavery since it's creation and ended up fighting one of the bloodiest civil wars with that institution being a major factor.
2: As I pointed out in the Cosmos thread last night, less than 200 years ago it was illegal to teach a black person to read. Last night the President of the United States introduced an Astronomer as Americas primary communicator for the sciences, and both men were black.

There is plenty to take pride in without wallowing in guilt over our lesser socially evolved forefathers.
 
2014-03-10 08:23:13 PM  

miss diminutive: If ever in slavery's the Holocaust's 250-year 5 year history in North America Germany there were a kind master Camp Commandant or a contented slave Jew , as in the nature of things there must have been, here and there, we may be sure that Mr McQueen Spielberg does not want us to hear about it.

Why didn't that liberal hack Spielberg not show us the other side of the Holocaust? Too busy with his own agenda, I'd wager. Eh, Mr Bowman?


img.fark.net


I'll see your 20th Century Holocaust, and raise you the Original- something all of us Sephardim know very well. And hey, looks like someone hit on the lighter side of it.
 
2014-03-10 08:23:16 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Apparently


The slaves loved their master, just like 100% of the North Koreans love the porker in charge.
 
2014-03-10 08:25:06 PM  

FlashHarry: bobothemagnificent:

btw, i'm not sure what the mcgovern pin has to do with anything. he was one of the most libbbiest libs who ever libbed. want to guess how many states he carried in '72?

don't bother; here's a map:


Yeah, wrong pin there.  Meant this one:
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-10 08:25:45 PM  

sobriquet by any other name: cybrwzrd: Slavery sucks, and was/is a terrible dehumanizing thing. So is working at just about any modern low skill hourly job. You may not get whipped by your master at the fast food restaurant, but then again, your master won't fire you and cause you to miss your rent payment and get evicted because your kids get sick. Basically if you are at the bottom of the social pecking order in any society, prepared to be treated like crap, because humans are exceptional at treating those lesser than them like garbage. It is probably the greatest strength (and horror) of the human race is the ability to dehumanize and use other humans as expendable resources.

Oh yes they would - but you'd get shot instead of "endin' up a rebel kneegro"


Maybe, but then again you have to remember that the slave is essentially their tractor/oven/heavy machinery. Most businessmen won't intentionally break their capital equipment, but will shiat on expendables. Slaves were not expendables- they were expensive to purchase and maintain, whereas wage slaves are expendable and are cheaply and easily replaced.

I am by no means advocating slavery, it sucked. I just think we need to move beyond the sins of our great-great-great-grandfathers and focus on our own sins.
 
2014-03-10 08:26:38 PM  

bobothemagnificent: The origin of modern day progressivism is, in fact, founded along the lines of conservative European thinking that an aristocracy is needed because we the peons don't know what's best for us. Oh they can't come out and say it, but deep down that's what they believe. You see it with the infamous Nanny State concept of making anything that can be construed as bad for you high regulated or even illegal, and I'm not talking about narcotics. I'm talking about meat, salt, caffeine, sugar, etc.


Nice strawman you got there.
 
2014-03-10 08:27:58 PM  

sobriquet by any other name: bobothemagnificent: few points here.  1st, the article is trying to point out that not every single slave owner that ever lived was as how they are usually portrayed in Hollywood.  In reality, and history DOES back this up, there were many slave owners that were just the opposite of what you see in Hollywood.

They taxed their possessions at 100% and let them keep a ribbon in their bonnet - after they were deflowered/broken?

I'm not sure what's more offensive - your perversion of history, or your perversion of character.

why not both?


Did every single slave owner do that?
 
2014-03-10 08:29:38 PM  

bobothemagnificent: FlashHarry: bobothemagnificent:

btw, i'm not sure what the mcgovern pin has to do with anything. he was one of the most libbbiest libs who ever libbed. want to guess how many states he carried in '72?

don't bother; here's a map:

Yeah, wrong pin there.  Meant this one:
[img.fark.net image 434x434]




I don't think a campaign button from 1968, when George Wallace was running as the candidate of The American Independent Party helps to make your point, whatever your point was.
 
2014-03-10 08:29:54 PM  

FlashHarry: bobothemagnificent:


[img.fark.net image 399x366]


img.fark.net
This whole thread was a troll thread from the get go.
 
2014-03-10 08:30:11 PM  
scottydoesntknow:

Apparently one of the ways of justifying having racist slave owners in your family tree is by saying all the slaves loved their masters and were treated so nice.

img.fark.net

You clearly fail to see how awesome slavery was. Clearly these folks felt that slavery was a grand thing- my people built their pyramids, and they made a catchy music video about it using comedians, basket ball players, and runway models.

They can justify mocking Jews, so lets let the conservatives have their fun too. Fair is fair, not just when you don't feel like it.

Also- how many items are you using are slave free? If you're in a first world country, not many: all first world countries are built on slavery. Enjoy.
 
2014-03-10 08:32:10 PM  

bobothemagnificent: sobriquet by any other name: bobothemagnificent: few points here.  1st, the article is trying to point out that not every single slave owner that ever lived was as how they are usually portrayed in Hollywood.  In reality, and history DOES back this up, there were many slave owners that were just the opposite of what you see in Hollywood.

They taxed their possessions at 100% and let them keep a ribbon in their bonnet - after they were deflowered/broken?

I'm not sure what's more offensive - your perversion of history, or your perversion of character.

why not both?

Did every single slave owner do that?


Do you give modern day slave owners a pass if they treat their slaves well (that is, only subject them to forced labor, without raping or torturing them)?
 
2014-03-10 08:33:22 PM  
Ugh, so tired of this bullshiat.  I wish people would stop exaggerating about THE OTHER SIDE when it comes to politics.
 
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