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(The American Spectator)   Conservatives are upset that 12 Years a Slave didn't represent a 'kind master or a contented slave'... because you know... most slaves were happy   (spectator.org ) divider line
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2014-03-10 04:56:47 PM  

factoryconnection: lockers: Is this what conservatives have been reduced to?

Wait... this was written by a freedom-loving conservative?  How can someone that eats and breathes freedom 24/7 ever desire to hear a good thing about placing humans in bondage?  Why do they feel the need to defend every f*cking reprehensible character simply because they weren't agitating for change in society?


I wonder if this person has ever uttered those famous conservative words, "Taxation is slavery"?
 
2014-03-10 04:57:20 PM  
Hi! Mind if I kidnap your daughter and keep her against her will for the rest of her life? I promise that I'll be really nice to her!
 
2014-03-10 04:57:33 PM  
I love the condescension this clown has for the history profession. "Oh, sure, this historian says it's representative of the period, and that professional academic who studies this stuff agrees, and all the rest of the profession accepted it as a reasonably representative depiction of slavery in the US south, but f*ck them. I'm some piece of sh*t racist movie critic and it's painfully obvious that I know better than those snooty ivory-tower elites who value facts and evidence over my inherent biases and prejudices."

What a cock.
 
2014-03-10 05:05:50 PM  
Perhaps the author would like to come work for me for a spell? I have plenty of chores to do around the house. I won't pay him, of course, but free room and board! And I promise to treat him with kindess and respect.

Of course the author would find this agreeable, why woudn't he? Think I'll go round up some friends and get him.
 
2014-03-10 05:06:40 PM  

scottydoesntknow: When my mom was in her early teens, she got into an argument with my great-grandmother over this. My mom just found out that her great-grandfather owned plantations with slaves (he was a colonel for the confederate army).

Mom: Wait, so great-grandpa owned slaves?!
GG: Yes, but they all loved him!
Mom: Of course they did! They were forced to! I'd say I loved anyone if it meant I wouldn't be beaten or sold!
GG: THEY! LOVED! HIM! I WILL NOT HAVE YOU SAY OTHERWISE! *she starts shaking at this point*
Mom's mom: Shush. Don't agitate your grandma!

Apparently one of the ways of justifying having racist slave owners in your family tree is by saying all the slaves loved their masters and were treated so nice.


Agreed.  One of my father's 2nd or 3rd cousin made a book about the history of one of our ancestors who was the daughter of a plantation owner near New Orleans.  The only mention of the "workers" in the book, is how well they were treated and how much the kids loved their nounou.  curiously, none of these mentions carry footnotes, whereas the most incipid detail in the rest of the book has all kinds of supporting evidence.
 
2014-03-10 05:09:25 PM  

Kome: I love the condescension this clown has for the history profession. "Oh, sure, this historian says it's representative of the period, and that professional academic who studies this stuff agrees, and all the rest of the profession accepted it as a reasonably representative depiction of slavery in the US south, but f*ck them. I'm some piece of sh*t racist movie critic and it's painfully obvious that I know better than those snooty ivory-tower elites who value facts and evidence over my inherent biases and prejudices."

What a cock.


They have the same attitude towards climate change, economics, sicence, etc.  Why are you expecting they would treat history differently than other topics?
 
2014-03-10 05:11:27 PM  
It's a good thing that not very many slaves vote.
 
2014-03-10 05:12:19 PM  
These people think Song of the South is a documentary. This isn't surprising.
 
2014-03-10 05:16:40 PM  
have any of the usual fark independents™ popped in to defend this piece of shiat yet? they seem strangely silent.
 
2014-03-10 05:26:36 PM  
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Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, Zip-a-dee-ay.  My oh my, what a wonderful day!
 
2014-03-10 05:26:55 PM  
should have the obvious tag, subs.
 
2014-03-10 05:30:00 PM  

Mugato: Slaves didn't have to pay taxes, right?


Their income was taxed at 100%.
 
2014-03-10 05:30:53 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Jesus Jumping Christ on a pogo stick

/these f*ckers have come completely unhinged


It's this kind of shiat that is making me narrow where I want to end up in journalism, exactly. Because, frankly, if I had to get assigned to cover some diarrhea-spewing Republican twit, I'd likely open any interviews by beating said twit with the largest blunt object available.
 
2014-03-10 05:31:12 PM  
People learn to love their chains.
 
2014-03-10 05:31:20 PM  

Prey4reign: So, I'm guessing if Bowman and crew could find one kind slavemaster or one contented slave in the history of American slavery, that would make the diseased and rotten edifice of slavery okay?  What would these revisionists have McQueen do, stray away from Northrup's narrative to create the anti-version of slavery -- a plantation where the slaves were treated with dignity and never mistreated and never having offspring sold off to other slaveowners and where all the slaves went to bed peacefully each night, well fed and rested for another voluntary day of paying for their keep?

Who besides kooks like Hanitty would even believe such an alternate universe existed?


This puts Blackfish into a whole new perspective.
 
2014-03-10 05:31:46 PM  
i'm sure the author thinks he treats the girls in his sex dungeon well too
 
2014-03-10 05:32:03 PM  

shanrick: It's a good thing that not very many slaves vote.


I'll give you 3/5 of a point...
 
2014-03-10 05:32:31 PM  
This asshat needs to spend a few decades toiling under the lash.

If he likes it, he can stay there.
 
2014-03-10 05:32:51 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: i'm sure the author thinks he treats the girls in his sex dungeon well too


Conservative pundit, so, I'm betting against girls.
 
2014-03-10 05:33:03 PM  
If you find yourself thinking

"But who is going to stick up for the good Christian slave-owners? I should write an article about this..."

you need to take a step back and literally fark your own face.
 
2014-03-10 05:33:39 PM  
It's not kind to enslave a person. A kind slave owner wouldn't own slaves for long.
 
2014-03-10 05:33:43 PM  

Clutch2013: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Jesus Jumping Christ on a pogo stick

/these f*ckers have come completely unhinged

It's this kind of shiat that is making me narrow where I want to end up in journalism, exactly. Because, frankly, if I had to get assigned to cover some diarrhea-spewing Republican twit, I'd likely open any interviews by beating said twit with the largest blunt object available.


But enough about Rush Limbaugh.
 
2014-03-10 05:33:47 PM  
I remember when 'Dances with Wolves' came out, they portrayed the Injuns- oh, excuse me, PC police- "Native Americans", as victims of some kind of vast government conspiracy to kill them and take their land!

Farking Hollywood.
 
2014-03-10 05:34:05 PM  
While there certainly were terrible slave owners (and the simple fact that slavery in itself is terrible), there were many cases where freed slaves stayed with the previous "owners" by choice, as paid servants.

But lets not let that get in the way of a good internet argument!
 
2014-03-10 05:34:11 PM  
"I can't wait to see Bowman's defense of Darth Vader. Just kidding, Vader's black." - from the comments :D
 
2014-03-10 05:34:38 PM  
There is no suck thing as a kind master or a contented slave.

A master isn't kind until he frees the slave and a salve isn't content until he's free.


/conservative
 
2014-03-10 05:34:49 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-10 05:34:55 PM  
Just remember kiddies, this isn't what conservatives have been driven to just now; this is what has been at their core all along. This is what they're fighting to protect and even to bring back. This is what they're willing to sacrifice the good of the nation for.

Remember.
 
2014-03-10 05:35:23 PM  
*such

boy that was a bad slip.
 
2014-03-10 05:35:37 PM  
Benedict Cumberbatch's character was kind and sympathetic in a partiarchal sort of way. He didn't want to split a family, he saw to it that his slaves were well kept, he listened to their opinion. He even gave one a fiddle as a reward for good work and stood guard over him with a shotgun to protect him from a field hand. Yeah he was a slave owner and yeah he was flawed, but I think in the movie's setting he was a good guy
 
2014-03-10 05:36:05 PM  
Some slave owners were downright playful with the property.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphine_LaLaurie
 
2014-03-10 05:36:40 PM  
My grandfather's grandfather was a slave owner, they worked his plantation down in Mississippi. My grandfather grew up being dressed, bathed, and fed by a "mammy". I never heard by grandfather complain.
 
2014-03-10 05:37:11 PM  
There's something to be said for the idea that not every moment of every enslaved African-American's life was utter misery and degradation. This doesn't detract from the horror of slavery, it reflects the fact that people are good at finding meaning and happiness in objectively horrible situations. It shows the strength and resourcefulness of slaves that they were able to have any happy times at all. Or to take a totally different example, Anne Frank's story is such a gut-punch because her life ended even as she was making a semblance of a normal adolescent life for herself in that attic.

But yeah, as a rule, fark anyone who talks about slavery being a happy thing in general. Fark them indecorously in their ear.
 
2014-03-10 05:37:20 PM  
*slave

Of forget, I can't type today.  Ignore my post
 
2014-03-10 05:37:55 PM  
Just watched this last night for the first time. His first owner didn't seem like a total shiat heel, some of his help were farking horrible but the actual owner could have sucked a whole lot more as evidenced by Michael Fassbenders character. Not sure why you would ever need to white knight slave owners though. Oh wait yes I do know why you would need to, having your own prejudices confronted usually leads to negative emotions and possible questioning of ones beliefs and we can't have that now can we?
 
2014-03-10 05:37:59 PM  
Allegedly there's lots of movies about happy slaves on internets
 
2014-03-10 05:38:13 PM  

buckeyebrain: [misfit120.files.wordpress.com image 640x480]
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, Zip-a-dee-ay.  My oh my, what a wonderful day!




www.morethings.com
 
2014-03-10 05:38:31 PM  

Kome: I love the condescension this clown has for the history profession. "Oh, sure, this historian says it's representative of the period, and that professional academic who studies this stuff agrees, and all the rest of the profession accepted it as a reasonably representative depiction of slavery in the US south, but f*ck them. I'm some piece of sh*t racist movie critic and it's painfully obvious that I know better than those snooty ivory-tower elites who value facts and evidence over my inherent biases and prejudices."

What a cock.


Yeah, sure, that's what a liberal historian would say.

What about the fair and balanced side? Every story has two sides right?

Because no one will risk their credibility to stand up and tell me I'm farking retarded and wrong... there must be two sides.

/teach the 'happy slaves' controversy
 
2014-03-10 05:39:00 PM  
This is just an indication to me that the GOP has given up any pretense of trying to gain the black vote.  They're not even trying to avoid appearing racist anymore.
 
2014-03-10 05:39:35 PM  

semiotix: There's something to be said for the idea that not every moment of every enslaved African-American's life was utter misery and degradation. This doesn't detract from the horror of slavery, it reflects the fact that people are good at finding meaning and happiness in objectively horrible situations.


Well it produced some pretty good music. That the white man stole.
 
2014-03-10 05:40:06 PM  

lockers: Is this what conservatives have been reduced to?


Well, that, and "Please don't mention rape at CPAC!"
 
2014-03-10 05:40:27 PM  

MrSteve007: While there certainly were terrible slave owners (and the simple fact that slavery in itself is terrible), there were many cases where freed slaves stayed with the previous "owners" by choice, as paid servants.

But lets not let that get in the way of a good internet argument!


Never mind the fact that they had no education, transferable skills (beyond farm work), support system, or communities that would welcome them. Ya know, things most people would need when being thrust into a new world.

Just because they couldn't handle life outside of the plantation does not make life inside the plantation enjoyable. It's just familiar. Better the devil you know...
 
2014-03-10 05:40:36 PM  
In fairness to the author, the movie did make slavery look pretty bad.
 
2014-03-10 05:41:07 PM  
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2014-03-10 05:41:54 PM  
Yes, there was much cruelty and hardship in the slave-owning South, as there has been in most of the rest of the world most of the time, and Mr. McQueen's camera is all over that. But it strains ordinary credulity to suppose that there was nothing else.

I highly encourage the conservative grift movement to bankroll a film showing all the feel good times that slavery produced during that period.
 
2014-03-10 05:41:58 PM  
typical dirty Liberal tricks, projecting their ideas of what it really meant to be a slave on actual slaves.

every Southern slave owner who was kind enough to house, feed & lend a gentle educational correction to black slaves was a saint and should be exonerated (I know, big word for you sheep) from the absolutely false depiction of what owning humans as chattel really was.

you are more of a slave as a tax payer today than any bought and paid for slave who did so on his/her own accord after some mild convincing, during America's great period of unprecedented growth that was a testament to and of the hard work that Americans used to do that made this country what it is today.
 
2014-03-10 05:43:18 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Yes, there was much cruelty and hardship in the slave-owning South, as there has been in most of the rest of the world most of the time, and Mr. McQueen's camera is all over that. But it strains ordinary credulity to suppose that there was nothing else.

I highly encourage the conservative grift movement to bankroll a film showing all the feel good times that slavery produced during that period.


A musical, perhaps?
 
2014-03-10 05:43:40 PM  

Infernalist: This is just an indication to me that the GOP has given up any pretense of trying to gain the black vote.  They're not even trying to avoid appearing racist anymore.


Oh, they're trying. They just don't realize that they're failing to avoid it. They are what they are, and that's how they act. The fact that Barry Soetoro is president pushes their button so hard, they have to act out.

They're going to be butthurt a long time because America decided to "Re-Nig" in 2012.
 
2014-03-10 05:43:51 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Will Solomon's own words condemn me for sharing them?

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Wow; not a single response.

/not all conservatives are the same, dammit
//not much of a conservative
 
2014-03-10 05:44:34 PM  

vernonFL: I remember when 'Dances with Wolves' came out, they portrayed the Injuns- oh, excuse me, PC police- "Native Americans", as victims of some kind of vast government conspiracy to kill them and take their land!

Farking Hollywood.


You're just going to keep trying? Is it because this is on the Main page?
 
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