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2014-03-10 01:59:06 PM
Standardized tests may be almost entirely useless as an educational tool, but her reasons are pure BS.  Your kid has test anxiety? I hope she never has to take a test that, you know, matters.

Take the damn test and STFU.
 
2014-03-10 02:00:17 PM
The author needs to explain a little better why she doesn't want her kids taking these tests.
 
2014-03-10 02:01:13 PM
I can't imagine why there wa$ $uch a fury.

She's lucky she didn't get a Family and Children's Services referral.
 
2014-03-10 02:01:19 PM

ElLoco: I can sum up the school's side of that entire episode with one quote from the article:

"Joyce Zurkowski, the executive director of assessment, explained to me that, in Colorado, as long as a school has 95 percent participation, a kid's opting out has no effect at all on school funding."

If people wonder what was going through the minds of the school's administration... that was it. Funding.


God forbid they want to keep money coming in.  When your boss gets upset about something do you up and leave or do you stay because of the funding?  Money drives all.
 
2014-03-10 02:01:24 PM
Go ahead, take your child out of the system. The world of tomorrow can always use another barista.
 
2014-03-10 02:02:52 PM

jst3p: I am not defending standardized testing, but I don't see how you get stressed about them


Test anxiety is  very real and putting the pressure on kids as early as 3rd grade (in Colorado - earlier in other states sometimes) can do harm. TCAP testing started today for my son and last night while a group of basketball parents were having drinks, it was the talk of the table - including earlier bedtimes to rest up and ways to reduce stress for the kids who feel they have to do well on everything they do.

My kid doesn't care at all about TCAP. He'll score just fine. He's actually happy during TCAP time because for two weeks, he is likely to not have any homework in any other class, lest the kids not get enough rest.
 
2014-03-10 02:04:33 PM

Darth Macho: Go ahead, take your child out of the system. The world of tomorrow can always use another barista.


Given that quite a few people that have helped our society make leaps in technology or science dropped out of something, I find your statement amusing.

When school becomes just 'doing time' to get your degree and you do not leave to pursue your dreams you will just die a little everyday.
 
2014-03-10 02:05:19 PM

doyner: Benevolent Misanthrope: Do parents have the right to opt their kids out or not? For now, yes. They shouldn't need a reason. I personally, after reading a lot of the literature, think that standardized testing merely perpetuates a broken system of education. If I had kids, I would probably keep them out of public schools and opt them out of standardized tests.

To my mind, though, the story is more about the attempt at a zero-tolerance policy toward non-conformity, not the test itself.

I'm not disagreeing with you.  I just thought the name calling towards swanie was a bit much in defense of a pretty weak argument by the author.


Understood.

I apologize, swaniefrmreddeer.  Dick move on my part.
 
2014-03-10 02:06:27 PM
This is an important article and should in no way, shape, or form be deleted and replaced by some real news.
 
2014-03-10 02:07:46 PM

jst3p: Smeggy Smurf: I never understood the hate for standardized tests.  Professional tests, certification tests, etc. are standardized.  Either you know it or you don't.  That is assuming the test itself isn't wrong, flawed, subjective, etc.

Not surprised given your posting history. My beef with them has been mostly covered already and you either didn't read them or just don't get them.

You may not agree with them, but criticisms of standardized tests are easy to find:

http://fairtest.org/whats-Wrong-standardized-tests


Those reasons given are wishy-washy bullshiat.  Either you know the information or you don't.  Using a standardized test that leaves room for interpretation of the answer is the flaw, not the testing for the knowledge.
 
2014-03-10 02:07:48 PM

TNel: Benevolent Misanthrope: Do parents have the right to opt their kids out or not? For now, yes. They shouldn't need a reason. I personally, after reading a lot of the literature, think that standardized testing merely perpetuates a broken system of education. If I had kids, I would probably keep them out of public schools and opt them out of standardized tests.

What would opting them out of the test accomplish?  Are you afraid that they are not up to par and want to stick your head in the sand about it?  It's not like they are going to change their entire curriculum because your snowflake doesn't want to take the test.


Because standardized tests don't test actual knowledge or ability to learn or think critically.  All they do is provide a stat for a school on how well kids take tests - and those schools are desperate to up those stats to get funding.

It's broken. Fix it.
 
2014-03-10 02:08:06 PM

what_now: iheartscotch: Standardized tests were around waaaay before W.

Yes, but they weren't as directly tied to funding in every state.iheartscotch:

Also, No Child Left Behind was a great idea; on paper. I mean, come on, who wouldn't want to make sure that kids aren't left in the educational dust? But, like every social program in the last 50 years, it had the exact opposite effect as desired and lined the pockets of the obscenely wealthy.


Soooooo.... you agree that the United States is not good at making its own social programs, that they often have the exact opposite effect as desired and line the pockets of the obscenely wealthy?

/ I wonder what other social projects will turn out to be boondoggles...
 
2014-03-10 02:08:25 PM

jst3p: CokeBear: Teaching the kids to fight the power might be the most valuable lesson they ever learn.

I agree. I try to teach my kids to challenge everything, a little.

CSB

My daughter was 8 and the following conversation happened:

"What did you do in school today?"
"We learned about probability."
"Great! So if I flipped a coin, what is the probability that it will land on heads?"
"50% chance or one in two."
"OK, let's say I flipped the coin 100 times and it came up heads each time. What is the probability that it will come up heads the next time?"
"Pretty good."
"Oh? Why?"
"I know you Daddy, if you flipped a coin 100 times and it came up heads every time it has heads on both sides."


I hope my daughter reads me that well
 
2014-03-10 02:09:35 PM
Lady, just have your kids take the damn test.
 
2014-03-10 02:09:41 PM
 
2014-03-10 02:10:24 PM
They're proud of themselves because they've taken a stand on something they think is important. It's a great feeling.

So this was all the kids' idea huh.  The article doesn't explain the children's reasoning for taking such a stand on this.

OH WAIT.
 
2014-03-10 02:11:22 PM
I don't really get it. I think part of the protest is the outrage educators have about the growing movement to apply objective measures to their work.

I have a son who very possibly went to the high school she writes about (there are only 3 in town). He was never very motivated for these tests, but I told him that he could make use of them as practice for the ACT/SAT tests. Plus, the results are used to rate job performance of the staff at his school. He's had some outstanding teachers and the principal is awesome. I pointed out a few cases where they'd really worked specifically for him, and a few for the students in general. So he took them seriously and did his best.

The tests are not perfect measures of a school's performance and never will be. There aren't any perfect measures in my job either, but the days of having no objective criteria are gone from public schools with good reason.
 
2014-03-10 02:11:40 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: doyner: Benevolent Misanthrope: swaniefrmreddeer: What is she teaching her kids? If it's hard, don't worry mommy will take care of you. Her reasons/excuses are irrelevant, the school her kids attend has the test, then the kids should goddamned well take the the test. No wonder we have a whole generation of precious snowflakes.

1/10.  RTFA, asshole.

BM, I usually really like your posts, but hold on a second.

FTFA: "Deciding to opt my two daughters out of Colorado standardized testing seemed like a no-brainer. We aren't permanent Colorado residents-we're just here for one academic year1while I'm a visiting professor at the University of Denver. My daughters, ages 13 and 14, are strong students. My husband and I see no educational benefit2to the tests. My younger daughter experienced some serious test anxiety a couple of years back3when taking Pennsylvania's standardized tests."

1: So what?  Are they in the Colorado system or not?
2: They go on to admit that they did no research beforehand and were using their gut decider-style.
3: Boo farking hoo.  Life is hard.  Overcoming anxiety is a life skill.

Her decision was whimsical at best, and has potential reprocussions for others.  Yes, standardized tests have gone way too far, butshe comes nowhere close to adequately articulating a reasonable argument for this action.  To the contrary, she explains why it's probably not such a great idea.

Do parents have the right to opt their kids out or not? For now, yes. They shouldn't need a reason. I personally, after reading a lot of the literature, think that standardized testing merely perpetuates a broken system of education. If I had kids, I would probably keep them out of public schools and opt them out of standardized tests.

To my mind, though, the story is more about the attempt at a zero-tolerance policy toward non-conformity, not the test itself.


Agreed.
 
2014-03-10 02:13:27 PM
My 2c...

It sounds like she didn't care much until she ran up against resistance, and then she turned a choice made mainly for convenience turned into one she stuck to because of principles.

It sounds like the school cared too much, particularly when they told this woman the testing was optional.

I am impressed with the school's dedication to the educational experience of the children. I am sure they are similarly motivated in all cases where a student may not receive the fullest educational benefit possible.

The district needs new enrollment forms. If a form gives an option to 'refuse testing' when that option doesn't exist the form isn't 'confusing' - people can understand it just fine, it's 'wrong'.
 
2014-03-10 02:14:23 PM
How about a compromise.   Her children agree to take the test on the condition that they bubble C for every answer.  Everyone wins!
 
2014-03-10 02:14:47 PM

nanim: Mommy is a prof, but she's never heard of practice tests etc. to help her kid cope/learn to do tests?


She's a law professor. I wonder if she is going to try to fight to have her kids "opted out" of the bar exam in 10 years!
 
2014-03-10 02:15:26 PM

swaniefrmreddeer: What is she teaching her kids? If it's hard, don't worry mommy will take care of you. Her reasons/excuses are irrelevant, the school her kids attend has the test, then the kids should goddamned well take the the test. No wonder we have a whole generation of precious snowflakes.


It is shocking to me that a parent that makes impulsive, acerbic, knee jerk, "precious snowflake" comments like that to other people in public might have a child with anxiety issues.
 
2014-03-10 02:15:39 PM

jst3p: we're just here for one academic year while I'm a visiting professor at the University of Denver. My daughters, ages 13 and 14, are strong students.

What kind of crappy parent bounces their kids in and out of a school for a year at this age?


The same kind that bouces their kid in and out of school about 7 times a year-alternating between home schooling and traditional schooling while they gallivant around the country on archaeological digs. I witnessed it.  But then again it was Texas, where anything goes.  Christ all mighty, either take them out and home school or leave them in. Not frigging both when you don't feel like home schooling this week.
 
2014-03-10 02:18:03 PM

what_now: No Child Left Behind may be Bush's WORST domestic failure.


The very definition of irony: It was written by Ted Kennedy.
 
2014-03-10 02:18:16 PM

Dafatone: Can anyone name another industry that puts as much effort into self-evaluation (at the expense of its actual purpose) as education?

Schools today are like a restaurant where the cooks are eating 75% of the food made to make sure it's good.


Wowwwwwwww.....

So first schools get the reputational crap kicked out of them because OVREPIAD TEECHUURS DO WHATEVUR THEY WANT and the party of "small government" demands massive state and federal testing programs to provide oversight (by non-educators), proof of results in the classroom, and control over the material being taught.

Then, once it's all in place, we get TEH SKOOLS SPEDN MOOR TIEM TESTIGN TEHN TEECHING!

I'm sorry Dafatone, I don't know your politics or if that was your intention with this post.  I'm sorry if I misunderstood or skewed your meaning.  Frankly, I didn't even intend to post ITT, it's too ripe for derpitude with no hope of insights.  But I have too many friends in the classroom and admin of K-12, and I'm tired of them being beaten up from the right and the left for things that they have little to no influence over.  Most of the educational folks I know are against standardized testing for empirical reasons... no wonder they aren't listened to, facts have no place in education policy decisions!
 
2014-03-10 02:18:54 PM

triplenickel03: jst3p: we're just here for one academic year while I'm a visiting professor at the University of Denver. My daughters, ages 13 and 14, are strong students.

What kind of crappy parent bounces their kids in and out of a school for a year at this age?

The same kind that bouces their kid in and out of school about 7 times a year-alternating between home schooling and traditional schooling while they gallivant around the country on archaeological digs. I witnessed it.  But then again it was Texas, where anything goes.  Christ all mighty, either take them out and home school or leave them in. Not frigging both when you don't feel like home schooling this week.


Was your dog's name Indian?
 
2014-03-10 02:19:15 PM

jst3p: we're just here for one academic year while I'm a visiting professor at the University of Denver. My daughters, ages 13 and 14, are strong students.

What kind of crappy parent bounces their kids in and out of a school for a year at this age?


As an Army brat, I never went to the same school two years in a row until 11th grade (10th and 11th in same building).  I actually freaked out a bit, I had spent my whole life being the new kid, I had no skills of how to handle familiarity.

So I guess the answer is, lots of kids go through this.
 
2014-03-10 02:20:01 PM

iheartscotch: triplenickel03: jst3p: we're just here for one academic year while I'm a visiting professor at the University of Denver. My daughters, ages 13 and 14, are strong students.

What kind of crappy parent bounces their kids in and out of a school for a year at this age?

The same kind that bouces their kid in and out of school about 7 times a year-alternating between home schooling and traditional schooling while they gallivant around the country on archaeological digs. I witnessed it.  But then again it was Texas, where anything goes.  Christ all mighty, either take them out and home school or leave them in. Not frigging both when you don't feel like home schooling this week.

Was your dog's name Indian?


Dammmmmmm auto-correct!

Was your dog's name Indiana!
 
2014-03-10 02:20:50 PM

Okieboy: I was expecting a thrilling finish to this exciting read....nothing.


/who the hell cares


FTFA:

The last phone call I received was from the Dean of Students at Harvard University. The middle school's vice-principal's daughter had once dated the nephew of the cousin of the daughter of the Dean, and so the vp had contacted the Dean for assistance.

The Dean was very clear in her insistence that my daughter take the test, and her reasoning grew more antagonistic. My daughter would end up a meth addict, she said. Pregnant at 15, destined to live under the George Washington Bridge and selling her body to keep her fix on. She'd have piercings in her face done by a transient with a dirty syringe, and they'd become infected and start weeping vile-smelling pus into her filthy dreadlocks. She'd get ingrown toenails and lick ketchup out of the discarded packets on the ground by the Sabretts carts. Her vocabulary would disintegrate into street slang consisting of, "A'ight?" and "Y'knowwhatI'msayin'" and "Ya hear me, dog?"

And that became too much for me to bear. I'm a strong, educated woman with great posture and a killer smile. I eat school administrators for lunch and laugh at their threats against my family. But the thought of my daughter uttering the word "A'ight" when asked if she wanted another crumpet with her tea was too much to bear. I went home that very day, pried the phone out of my girl's perfectly polished nails, and marched her right back to school...but not before getting a copy of the test into her hot little hands. There's no way I'm going to let my girl be a FAILURE.
 
2014-03-10 02:22:27 PM

ransack.: Are you allowed to write an article for Slate that isn't about the results of some questionable parenting decison you made, or questioning the parenting decision another person made?


only if you don't have a note from the principal, and are parked in the RED zone on an alternate tuesday

ikanreed: ArcadianRefugee: FTA: while my husband and I definitely thought through our decision to opt our kids out, we consulted our guts, not research.

Imagine that: go into something half-cocked and then be bewildered when things go pear shaped.

Except, no one provided an adequate explanation of what her kids were getting out of it.  Isn't that the simple threshold?  Have a good reason to do things?


well, what they're now getting out of it is that the internet knows that prof helicopter and her husband van wilder don't give a crap about the school system their kids are in, or about any chances of their kids having a social life wherever they go for the next few years...

"class i'd like you to meet our new student..."
"can we send her back? "
"yeah, it hasn't even been thirty days, we can just defect her..."

ElLoco: I can sum up the school's side of that entire episode with one quote from the article:

"Joyce Zurkowski, the executive director of assessment, explained to me that, in Colorado, as long as a school has 95 percent participation, a kid's opting out has no effect at all on school funding."

If people wonder what was going through the minds of the school's administration... that was it. Funding.


so, keep going with that logic...  what's going through the mind of the "OPT YOUR KIDS OUT!" cheerleader besides hot air and a desire to be proven right...

i thought NIMBY was bad, but NotInYoursEither is worse.
 
2014-03-10 02:22:30 PM

PanicMan: jst3p: we're just here for one academic year while I'm a visiting professor at the University of Denver. My daughters, ages 13 and 14, are strong students.

What kind of crappy parent bounces their kids in and out of a school for a year at this age?

As an Army brat, I never went to the same school two years in a row until 11th grade (10th and 11th in same building).  I actually freaked out a bit, I had spent my whole life being the new kid, I had no skills of how to handle familiarity.

So I guess the answer is, lots of kids go through this.


Lots of kids are eight year old prostitutes
 
2014-03-10 02:25:24 PM
GORDON:

It is shocking to me that a parent that makes impulsive, acerbic, knee jerk, "precious snowflake" comments like that to other people in public might have a child with anxiety issues.

It's not a knee jerk reaction, isolation is not going to help the kid at all. The other students are going to notice that her child wasn't present during the test, and kids pick up on the slightest sign of weakness. I do realize now that standardized testing in the States is very different than it is here. Here it is used to identify weakness in the student and make all resources offered available to the student.
 
2014-03-10 02:25:26 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: It's almost as though people are choosing to ignore the fact that the standardized tests aren't the only way kids are being tested in schools...


It's not the kids being tested by the tests referred to in TFA.

SSB:  A 10 year old girl who plays basketball for me, friend of my daughter. etc., was recently telling me how "dumb" she was because she scores poorly on these "achievement" tests.  This is a girl who had two weeks earlier played the lead role as a newscaster in a school play, and delivered probably 2,000 words with poise and grace and as professionally as any real-life anchor you would ever see, except unlike a professional, she was not allowed to read any of the part from copy and had to do it from memory.  She used inflection to breathe life into the part, hit her dramatic notes and comedic ones, so that performance was not simply a matter of rote memorization.  It was truly impressive.

Yet this girl thinks she is dumb because she didn't score well on tests.  The class and school are both well above state averages, so even just considering the metrics of the test, the tests are not going to help her one bit.  All it did was to fill a very capable girl with self-doubt, and that's to say nothing of the hours and days spent preparing for testing rather than attention and instruction enabling her to use her strengths to master the material.  </SSB>

We're preparing a generation of robotic little test takers and in so doing, minimizing and dismissing traits that enable broader success later in life.  We're taking time away from curriculum to cover and re-cover materials that have already been mastered by the vast majority of students because the jobs of teachers and administrators are dependent on all of the kids delivering results for them. It's unavoidable that the stakes of the testing translate into pressure on the kids to perform on them, regardless of the lack of despite the lack of educational benefit. It's all thoroughly counterproductive to what the goals of education should be.
 
2014-03-10 02:29:58 PM
At the last parent/teacher conference, my son's teacher gave me the form to sign for my son to have testing accommodations. Because he has 504 accommodations for school, the testing automatically gets accommodations at 1 1/2 testing time and testing in an isolated room to reduce distractions. He'll do much better with the accommodations, but since the teacher was trying to convince me a bit that he might not need it, I think his scores are somehow excluded from the overall group when determining school growth. Since they probably want his scores included, they want him to test without accommodations. I was a bit torn in that regard. I want his scores to count for the benefit of the school, but having him test in a distracted classroom will probably lower his performance, so maybe we don't want distracted test scores counted for the school. Hmm? Too late for this year, but something to ponder for next year.
 
2014-03-10 02:29:59 PM
This article should be renamed, "The adventures of the woman who doesn't know how to gracefully end a phone call with a pushy person."

Because, if you get down to it, the whole article is predicated on the fact that the woman in question could not tell the principal, "I appreciate your input but we've already made up our minds, have a nice day," and thus interpreted the school as being maniacal about it.
 
2014-03-10 02:30:18 PM

jst3p: Smeggy Smurf: I never understood the hate for standardized tests.  Professional tests, certification tests, etc. are standardized.  Either you know it or you don't.  That is assuming the test itself isn't wrong, flawed, subjective, etc.

Not surprised given your posting history. My beef with them has been mostly covered already and you either didn't read them or just don't get them.

You may not agree with them, but criticisms of standardized tests are easy to find:

http://fairtest.org/whats-Wrong-standardized-tests


You do realise that most of those points apply to non-standardised tests, with only open questions, as well?

Bias, lack of reliability, wording errors etc. influence every single test form ever devised.
 
2014-03-10 02:30:31 PM

KyngNothing: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/201 3 /07/living_with_anxiety_and_panic_attacks_academia_needs_to_accommodat e_mental.html

The author's other slate article...


Good grief that woman is a mess.  I feel sorry for her husband and kids.

Her backup plan was to get herself eaten by lions if she didn't get tenure.  MOTY material.

This is Mommy Projection 101.  When SHE used to take tests, she had to do it alone in a special room because she has all kinds of issues.  I hope she gets the help that she needs.
 
2014-03-10 02:31:10 PM
Don't you love it when people in school are like, "I'm a bad test taker"? You mean, you're stupid. Oh, you struggle with that part where we find out what you know? Oh. No, no, I can totally relate. See, because I'm a brilliant painter, minus my God-awful brushstrokes. Oh, how the masterpiece is crystal up here[points to head], but once paint hits canvas, I develop Parkinson's. I apologize if there's a Parkinson's painter in the audience. I assume you do your best work in the morning. Probably gets abstract by noon.

/Daniel Tosh
 
2014-03-10 02:31:47 PM

tlars699: Things No Child Left Behind did right:
Special Education Students that are behind the curve get the personalized instruction that they need, and forces the regular teachers to actually help ensure that they are learning.
The Special needs students also get to be included in the regular class room more frequently, and are shown by example normal social interactions every day.

Things No Child Left Behind did incorrectly:
Everything else, including creating behavioral disorders as a special needs category.

I like taking tests(especially standardized ones), but I don't like how they're being made mandatory. If you're a parent, you should be able to have a say in what your kid has to do, within reason.


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*-a snowball theoretically DOES have a chance in hell if it can get enough people to pray for it (and donate to its cause)
 
2014-03-10 02:32:48 PM

TrixieDelite: Okieboy: I was expecting a thrilling finish to this exciting read....nothing.


/who the hell cares

FTFA:

The last phone call I received was from the Dean of Students at Harvard University. The middle school's vice-principal's daughter had once dated the nephew of the cousin of the daughter of the Dean, and so the vp had contacted the Dean for assistance.

The Dean was very clear in her insistence that my daughter take the test, and her reasoning grew more antagonistic. My daughter would end up a meth addict, she said. Pregnant at 15, destined to live under the George Washington Bridge and selling her body to keep her fix on. She'd have piercings in her face done by a transient with a dirty syringe, and they'd become infected and start weeping vile-smelling pus into her filthy dreadlocks. She'd get ingrown toenails and lick ketchup out of the discarded packets on the ground by the Sabretts carts. Her vocabulary would disintegrate into street slang consisting of, "A'ight?" and "Y'knowwhatI'msayin'" and "Ya hear me, dog?"

And that became too much for me to bear. I'm a strong, educated woman with great posture and a killer smile. I eat school administrators for lunch and laugh at their threats against my family. But the thought of my daughter uttering the word "A'ight" when asked if she wanted another crumpet with her tea was too much to bear. I went home that very day, pried the phone out of my girl's perfectly polished nails, and marched her right back to school...but not before getting a copy of the test into her hot little hands. There's no way I'm going to let my girl be a FAILURE.


LOL
 
2014-03-10 02:34:46 PM

swaniefrmreddeer: I do realize now that standardized testing in the States is very different than it is here. Here it is used to identify weakness in the herd student and make all resources offered available to the student.


FTFY
 
2014-03-10 02:37:43 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: wxboy: The My Little Pony Killer: More parents need to stand up and start doing this. Standardized testing is bullshiat. The kids know it, the teachers know it, and it disrupts actual learning they could be doing.

Perhaps, but as the article notes, protesting the system by opting out (unless you can get pretty much everyone to do it) only serves to hurt the school financially.

The big problem is in tying school funding with standardized testing, both participation and achievement.  Opting out won't correct this.

Going along with it out of fear of the schools not receiving funding doesn't help it either. It only holds people hostage to a broken system.


Well have a kid and go fix it. If all we're doing is sitting on our pork butts and not doing anything but talking about it online isn't helping.
 
2014-03-10 02:37:46 PM
I wonder how many people in this thread screaming "suck it up snowflake" have children and fully understand the rampant and spreading plague of standardized testing and how different school is for kids these days.  My daughter is SEVEN and in FIRST GRADE she's already taking standardized tests three or four times a year, complete with reports sent home letting us know exactly where she falls in relation to her classmates, the school and the district.  Nothing like letting a seven year old know that life is nothing but rating and competition.

School is no longer an exploration of subjects, it's "let's prepare to take a test...here's the test, lets talk about the test...here are the test results".

And the more we sit around and say "well it's school, they must know what they're doing, and I went to school and I was fine, so everything must be exactly the same!"  the worse it's going to get.

For a long time, there were Chicago Public Schools where six year old kids sat at their desks for all but twenty minutes in a seven hour day.  No recess.  Minimum PE, lunch at their desks.  BECAUSE WE HAD TO TEACH TO THE TEST.  It's crap.

While you may not agree with this particular mom, I agree that if more parents don't stand up to this bullshiat, school is going to continue to become nothing but corporately owned vocational programs, training drones to do nothing but the specific jobs the corporations want ::cough:: charter school ::cough::.
 
2014-03-10 02:39:43 PM

Tax Boy: If only there were some way to overcome anxiety by practicing that thing you were anxious about....

Perhaps with test anxiety, taking practice tests might help? Like for example, taking a stupid meaningless standardized test as practice for tests that actually matter?

Mollycoddled kid is mollycoddled.


So you admit that it's stupid and meaningless but you still think it's perfectly fine to demand our kids take them multiple times a year (depending on the test)?  Good plan.
 
2014-03-10 02:41:04 PM

jst3p: we're just here for one academic year while I'm a visiting professor at the University of Denver. My daughters, ages 13 and 14, are strong students.

What kind of crappy parent bounces their kids in and out of a school for a year at this age?


I went to 10 different schools from K-12. You definitely learn to make friends more quickly and you get to see a lot more variety of people and classes. It's not really that bad.
 
2014-03-10 02:41:58 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Because standardized tests don't test actual knowledge or ability to learn or think critically. All they do is provide a stat for a school on how well kids take tests - and those schools are desperate to up those stats to get funding.

It's broken. Fix it.


It shows what the kids know at that given time.  No it doesn't show ability to learn or think critically those would be achievement tests.  What's wrong with the testing how well kids are currently doing and getting paid?
 
2014-03-10 02:41:59 PM

teenytinycornteeth: Nothing like letting a seven year old know that life is nothing but rating and competition.


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2014-03-10 02:42:27 PM

doyner: Benevolent Misanthrope: swaniefrmreddeer: What is she teaching her kids? If it's hard, don't worry mommy will take care of you. Her reasons/excuses are irrelevant, the school her kids attend has the test, then the kids should goddamned well take the the test. No wonder we have a whole generation of precious snowflakes.

1/10.  RTFA, asshole.

BM, I usually really like your posts, but hold on a second.

FTFA: "Deciding to opt my two daughters out of Colorado standardized testing seemed like a no-brainer. We aren't permanent Colorado residents-we're just here for one academic year1while I'm a visiting professor at the University of Denver. My daughters, ages 13 and 14, are strong students. My husband and I see no educational benefit2to the tests. My younger daughter experienced some serious test anxiety a couple of years back3when taking Pennsylvania's standardized tests."

1: So what?  Are they in the Colorado system or not?
2: They go on to admit that they did no research beforehand and were using their gut decider-style.
3: Boo farking hoo.  Life is hard.  Overcoming anxiety is a life skill.

Her decision was whimsical at best, and has potential reprocussions for others.  Yes, standardized tests have gone way too far, butshe comes nowhere close to adequately articulating a reasonable argument for this action.  To the contrary, she explains why it's probably not such a great idea.


Actually, absence of the stimulus can help reduce fear\anxiety if it's done calmly. Confronting it  isn't always the best solution. So unless you can provide some other reason the children (both children, not just one) should take the test--because it's a big waste of time and, as the mom points out, measures something she already knows--there isn't a valid reason for this test to be taken.
 
2014-03-10 02:42:55 PM

Smeggy Smurf: jst3p: Smeggy Smurf: I never understood the hate for standardized tests.  Professional tests, certification tests, etc. are standardized.  Either you know it or you don't.  That is assuming the test itself isn't wrong, flawed, subjective, etc.

Not surprised given your posting history. My beef with them has been mostly covered already and you either didn't read them or just don't get them.

You may not agree with them, but criticisms of standardized tests are easy to find:

http://fairtest.org/whats-Wrong-standardized-tests

Those reasons given are wishy-washy bullshiat.  Either you know the information or you don't.  Using a standardized test that leaves room for interpretation of the answer is the flaw, not the testing for the knowledge.


Not surprisingly, even when given the information you still don't understand. Never change Smeggy!
 
2014-03-10 02:43:37 PM

Albinoman: jst3p: we're just here for one academic year while I'm a visiting professor at the University of Denver. My daughters, ages 13 and 14, are strong students.

What kind of crappy parent bounces their kids in and out of a school for a year at this age?

I went to 10 different schools from K-12. You definitely learn to make friends more quickly and you get to see a lot more variety of people and classes. It's not really that bad.


I never went to the same school two years in a row until High School. I disagree, it sucked.
 
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