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(New Europe)   Any passport would do. Have a safe flight   (neurope.eu) divider line 26
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2014-03-10 12:54:19 PM
Asian chick passport checker is kind of nerd-hot...
 
2014-03-10 01:06:01 PM
They can put some schmuck's name on a no-fly list for daring to question TSA Security Theatre, but they can't load  the list with the names and numbers of stolen passports?

Way to go, guys.
 
2014-03-10 01:12:23 PM
It's time we surrender the notion that anyone is going to be 100% safe from the bad guys.
 
2014-03-10 01:13:36 PM
I'm against this database.

If stolen passports are outlawed only outlaws will have stolen passports.
 
2014-03-10 01:18:51 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: They can put some schmuck's name on a no-fly list for daring to question TSA Security Theatre, but they can't load  the list with the names and numbers of stolen passports?

Way to go, guys.


"The US and UK are said to be the two largest users of the database and Interpol officials say that France and Switzerland do also. "
 
2014-03-10 01:26:07 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: They can put some schmuck's name on a no-fly list for daring to question TSA Security Theatre, but they can't load  the list with the names and numbers of stolen passports?

Way to go, guys.


To be precise, the numbers of stolen passports are more important than the names. Otherwise having your passport stolen means you're on a no-fly list. Or having someone with the same name as you lose their passport means you're screwed.

Ironically, Malaysians who lose their passports are prohibited from getting new ones for five years, to prevent them being sold.
 
2014-03-10 01:37:52 PM
What a GREAT idea; take the enormous number of false hits on the no-fly list and add a few thousand more. Prevent anyone who has ever had their passport stolen from flying without going through a cavity search. Make us all miss our flights while you fark with them.

What fracking difference does it make if a "terrorist" gets on a plane with a false passport? Unless they sneak a bomb or a gun on the plane, there's really not that much damage they can do if the cockpit door stays locked the way it should.

Apparently, fake passports are a standard way to travel from the Third to the First world; it's about beating the immigration barriers.
 
2014-03-10 01:39:46 PM
FTA:

...we received this comment from Malmstrom's office:

"When it comes to security of documents and controls on lost/stolen documents the EU is one of the most secure area worldwide and the systems and tools already available have proven to work effectively. Currently these issues are properly addressed including via strict EU legislation. The European Commission is already providing strong guarantees and safeguards to citizens and to Member States authorities. The European Commission cannot intervene or regulate outside its competences and outside the EU territory."

Translation: Hey shut up we are too doing a good job!
 
2014-03-10 01:39:49 PM
When I first heard that two passengers on the flight were using stolen passports, I immediately thought that it's probably relatively commonplace. I wouldn't be surprised if a high percentage of international flights in some parts of the world have a passenger or two with a false ID. These two are getting attention only because they were on a flight that went down.

Not saying that they had nothing to do with it, but not assuming that they did either.
 
2014-03-10 01:40:39 PM
I can't wait to hear what really happened to this plane,

How does one go about stealing a plane that big?  It's not like you can just land one of those things anyfrigginwhere.
 
2014-03-10 01:41:04 PM
Yeah, we need to see you naked and don't even think about taking 4 ounces of shampoo onto the plane, but feel free to use anybody's passport you want to.
 
2014-03-10 01:57:33 PM

CleanAndPure: I'm against this database.

If stolen passports are outlawed only outlaws will have stolen passports.


I agree.
I want the Freedom to use my stolen passport to Stand My Ground. Freedom.
 
2014-03-10 01:59:32 PM
I just left the passport office in Philly where one of the DSS guards told me he didn't believe the official account of the missing plane because its unpossible to board a plane with a stolen passport. "Maybe ten years ago, but not today."
 
2014-03-10 02:00:39 PM
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2014-03-10 02:14:40 PM

UberDave: Asian chick passport checker is kind of nerd-hot...


You need to get out more. Meet people and stuff.
 
2014-03-10 02:19:29 PM

mbillips: What a GREAT idea; take the enormous number of false hits on the no-fly list and add a few thousand more. Prevent anyone who has ever had their passport stolen from flying without going through a cavity search. Make us all miss our flights while you fark with them.

What fracking difference does it make if a "terrorist" gets on a plane with a false passport? Unless they sneak a bomb or a gun on the plane, there's really not that much damage they can do if the cockpit door stays locked the way it should.

Apparently, fake passports are a standard way to travel from the Third to the First world; it's about beating the immigration barriers.


This.  Same with the no fly list.  Unless you assume that the people who get on the list have magic plane crashing powers, who cares?  As long as you're screening everyone for weapons and bombs before letting them on the plane; ID for flying is only important in terms of immigration or surveillance.
 
2014-03-10 02:23:56 PM
I will thank you very much.  Passports ... or really any identification ... does absolutely nothing to prevent airplane hijackings or any type of terrorism.
 
2014-03-10 03:01:12 PM
T-Servo:

To be precise, the numbers of stolen passports are more important than the names. Otherwise having your passport stolen means you're on a no-fly list. Or having someone with the same name as you lose their passport means you're screwed.

Ironically, Malaysians who lose their passports are prohibited from getting new ones for five years, to prevent them being sold.


Not really.

You just get issued with a new passport with a different serial number and bar code. Scanners, eh?
 
2014-03-10 03:38:25 PM
At first I thought "Something about even the asians not being able to tell if a face matched the picture in the passport" then I thought "What if there aren't really three billion people over there. What if the reason they all look alike is that everyone's been counted four times?"
 
2014-03-10 04:01:41 PM

gingerjet: I will thank you very much.  Passports ... or really any identification ... does absolutely nothing to prevent airplane hijackings or any type of terrorism.


But...but you're missing the point. A BILLION STOLEN PASSPORTS GIVE THE TURRISTS FREE REIGN!!!

(And we can't let any opportunity to fan the flames of panic go wasted!)
 
2014-03-10 04:57:35 PM
My understanding if it (and I could be terrible wrong) is that the stolen passport issue is only a concern to the arriving country and the willingness of that country to enforce a lot of laws that they might create to prevent immigration fraud.

Here in the USA I believe that any airline flying international to US destinations has to abide by US Customs & Immigrations requirements that if any passenger is unable to enter the USA because of passport or visa issues, the airline they came in on is responsible for transporting them back at their cost.  Thus, airlines bringing people to the USA are heavily invested in making sure that people boarding to come to the US have valid passports and qualify for a visa (or already have one).  Those airlines don't want to spend the money to have to take someone back.

In other countries all bets are off.  Who knows if they have laws like that, and for the two traveling with stolen passports it also becomes an issue of which airline they bought the ticket from, what country they were ultimately traveling to, etc.  Both of these guys bought tickets from China Southern Airlines as a code share on Malaysia Airlines, traveling to Beijeing, and then on to Amsterdam where the two tickets spilt to end up in separate cities (Copenhagen and Frankfurt).  What airline would be taking them from Beijing to Amsterdam?  If the are in Beijing they are likely passengers in transit that don't have to process through Immigration in China.  Once in Amsterdam it's the same thing since they are continuing on to arrive at international airports where they process through Immigration at their final point of arrival.

Thus we arrive at the possibility that Malaysia Airlines doesn't care who holds those two passports because they just want the ticket revenue.  Are they say who they are?  That's a problem for the country they are arriving in and if those European countries don't have a way to force Malaysia Airlines to be responsible for the problem (by taking the impostors back) then . . .
 
2014-03-10 05:24:55 PM
When I travel, I use a diplomatic passport from Freedonia signed by His Excellency, Rufus T. Firefly. If challenged, I say it's from one of those breakaway countries on Europe.
 
2014-03-10 05:28:41 PM
Security Theater strikes again.
 
2014-03-10 05:33:47 PM
one billion passenger journeys were made last year with no checking of passports against a database of stolen passports.

AND NOTHING HAPPENED AS A RESULT
 
2014-03-10 06:42:26 PM
I would like to point out that you only need a valid passport to ENTER a country...no valid passport is required to disintegrate over or splash into international waters, so on a technicality, no harm, no foul.

/apologies to families
/aisle seat, please.
 
2014-03-10 06:50:01 PM
You'd think there would be some database of passport numbers for stolen passports, given that both of these had been stolen over a year ago, no good excuse for not being blacklisted.  If Malaysia Airlines had refused boarding because passports were no good, they'd probably have kept the ticket revenue, and still let somebody on standby take the seats.   So free money if they just check passports against the list.

I've flown out of KUL before, and perceived security as no worse than any other airport in the region.   Most Southeast Asian countries really don't have any exit controls, aren't really concerned with stopping people from leaving.   All the checks and visas are after you land at the destination country.
 
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