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2014-03-10 12:51:57 PM  
Young Republican activists implored their party to support gay marriage Saturday, saying the GOP is destined to continue losing elections in Oregon if it doesn't get behind an issue that's gaining traction around the country.

What a bunch of

www.zooborns.com
 
2014-03-10 12:55:07 PM  
Day late and dollar short.

I mean, by all means, do the right thing for the wrong reasons, but everyone knows where your pointy little heads are at.
 
2014-03-10 12:57:18 PM  
"We've always been at war with Eastasia"
 
2014-03-10 12:58:28 PM  
conservative position ?
 
2014-03-10 12:59:29 PM  
Huge mistake young Republicans. The party is correct in all things. Only the messaging is wrong.
 
2014-03-10 12:59:43 PM  

s1ugg0: "We've always been at war with Eastasia"


Beat me to it...
 
2014-03-10 01:00:32 PM  
Ives aid it a dozen times before. When marriage equality is finally legal across the country, it will be Republicans who take credit for it. Same thing with single payer health care. When we finally get universal coverage, the Republicans will claim it was their plan all along.
 
2014-03-10 01:00:48 PM  
"One, it's the right and moral thing to do," he said after speaking to the crowd. "Two, it's going to happen.

At least one of them knows not to say offensive jabber such as:  "I believe this is a wedge issue that drives young people to the Democratic Party, and then they learn the rest of the Democratic agenda," said Jacob Vandever of Corvallis, who is running for a seat in the state House.

Yes, the problem is this is a wedge issue, which you have created, not the right thing to do.
 
2014-03-10 01:00:53 PM  
"If you continue to shake your fist in the face of the living God, you're in trouble," said Charles Starr, a former longtime legislator.

Young Republicans face off against old time religion.
 
2014-03-10 01:01:53 PM  

BMFPitt: s1ugg0: "We've always been at war with Eastasia"

Beat me to it...


It's too obvious for me to take credit.
 
2014-03-10 01:03:15 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: "If you continue to shake your fist in the face of the living God, you're in trouble," said Charles Starr, a former longtime legislator.

Young Republicans face off against old time religion.


That's the real wedge issue for the GOP.  Civil rights are just the visible layer.
 
2014-03-10 01:04:17 PM  
Gay Portland Republicans?

f****************cking Hipsters. Jesus.
 
2014-03-10 01:05:19 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Soup4Bonnie: "If you continue to shake your fist in the face of the living God, you're in trouble," said Charles Starr, a former longtime legislator.

Young Republicans face off against old time religion.

That's the real wedge issue for the GOP.  Civil rights are just the visible layer.


Agreed.  The problem is NOT the "messaging" or the 'packging'...the problem is the platform itself.  Young people are increasingly at odds not with the messaging, but the platform itself.  THAT is the problem. (For Republicans)
 
2014-03-10 01:05:27 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Young Republican activists implored their party to support gay marriage Saturday, saying the GOP is destined to continue losing elections in Oregon if it doesn't get behind an issue that's gaining traction around the country.

What a bunch of

[www.zooborns.com image 470x406]


Republican Herpaderp In Name Only?
 
2014-03-10 01:05:29 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: "If you continue to shake your fist in the face of the living God, you're in trouble," said Charles Starr, a former longtime legislator.

Young Republicans face off against old time religion.


Really old time religion had gay marriage.
 
2014-03-10 01:06:00 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Gay Portland Republicans?

f****************cking Hipsters. Jesus.


The reason it is ok to be a republican in Portland is because they are 90s Republicans. because it's still the 90s in Portland
 
2014-03-10 01:06:07 PM  
Conservatives of the Barry Goldwater strain would have been pro gay marriage.
 
2014-03-10 01:08:22 PM  

bmongar: The reason it is ok to be a republican in Portland is because they are 90s Republicans. because it's still the 90s in Portland


pre-Gingrich 90's? Because I can handle pre-Gingrich Republicans. There's a hard cap on that, though.
 
2014-03-10 01:10:11 PM  

MattStafford: Conservatives of the Barry Goldwater strain would have been pro gay marriage.


I think conservatives of the Goldwater strain would take the "states' rights" stance on gay marriage. On the one hand, they certainly wouldn't have had the same religion-based objections, but at the same time, they were very much against the federal government weighing in on civil rights.
 
2014-03-10 01:10:29 PM  
I like how Republican intransigence has dragged this civil-rights-denying sh*tstorm out long enough to ensure that multiple generations have come of age in time to tie the GOP to the same kind of bigoted mindset that pushed for continued segregation . Way to go, reactionary dipsh*ts, great job showing once again just how little your hateful, intrusive ideology is compatible with the 21st century.
 
2014-03-10 01:12:08 PM  

propasaurus: Ives aid it a dozen times before. When marriage equality is finally legal across the country, it will be Republicans who take credit for it. Same thing with single payer health care. When we finally get universal coverage, the Republicans will claim it was their plan all along.


"don't you remember? we were marching right there with Dr. King! just out of the frame, no, we're in the original wide-shot photos. Democrats are the real racists."
 
2014-03-10 01:13:31 PM  

propasaurus: Ives aid it a dozen times before. When marriage equality is finally legal across the country, it will be Republicans who take credit for it. Same thing with single payer health care. When we finally get universal coverage, the Republicans will claim it was their plan all along.


They can take credit for it all they want, but the facts show they stood in the way. See also: "The Democrats shut down the government"
 
2014-03-10 01:14:27 PM  

qorkfiend: MattStafford: Conservatives of the Barry Goldwater strain would have been pro gay marriage.

I think conservatives of the Goldwater strain would take the "states' rights" stance on gay marriage. On the one hand, they certainly wouldn't have had the same religion-based objections, but at the same time, they were very much against the federal government weighing in on civil rights.


I think I am closte to a Goldwater strain and I support state by state recognition of gay marriage and am against the federal govt having any hand in it.  Let the states recognize the marriages as they see fit.  It is going to happen.
 
2014-03-10 01:16:26 PM  

Saiga410: qorkfiend: MattStafford: Conservatives of the Barry Goldwater strain would have been pro gay marriage.

I think conservatives of the Goldwater strain would take the "states' rights" stance on gay marriage. On the one hand, they certainly wouldn't have had the same religion-based objections, but at the same time, they were very much against the federal government weighing in on civil rights.

I think I am closte to a Goldwater strain and I support state by state recognition of gay marriage and am against the federal govt having any hand in it.  Let the states recognize the marriages as they see fit.  It is going to happen.


Only problem with that is that people move from state to state.  It is incredibly disrupting to local and state economies when there are different tax implications and rights implications for certain people just because of where they got married.

It's going to happen federally.  Period.  It's not a question of "if"...and it's becoming even less of a question of 'when'...it's going to happen.....soon.
 
2014-03-10 01:18:12 PM  

Saiga410: It is going to happen.


Because history has shown that happens so well, right?

iams.pbworks.com

Hint: Same-sex marriage would not be gaining traction in MANY States were it not for the federal Government, namely the SCOTUS, stepping in and pointing out how pants-on-head retardedly unconstitutional many of these "bans" are.
 
2014-03-10 01:20:02 PM  

hardinparamedic: Saiga410: It is going to happen.

Because history has shown that happens so well, right?

[iams.pbworks.com image 469x315]

Hint: Same-sex marriage would not be gaining traction in MANY States were it not for the federal Government, namely the SCOTUS, stepping in and pointing out how pants-on-head retardedly unconstitutional many of these "bans" are.


I'm not debating where the trigger point will be.  It probably WILL start with SCOTUS....but it is GOING to happen.  Conservatives are, once again, on the losing side of history.
 
2014-03-10 01:21:16 PM  

Saiga410: qorkfiend: MattStafford: Conservatives of the Barry Goldwater strain would have been pro gay marriage.

I think conservatives of the Goldwater strain would take the "states' rights" stance on gay marriage. On the one hand, they certainly wouldn't have had the same religion-based objections, but at the same time, they were very much against the federal government weighing in on civil rights.

I think I am closte to a Goldwater strain and I support state by state recognition of gay marriage and am against the federal govt having any hand in it.  Let the states recognize the marriages as they see fit.  It is going to happen.


I have a question. If the states have the right to choose what they enforce as marriage, how can the federal government properly act on issues like taxes (i.e. filing jointly as married couple)? I feel like leaving it up to the states still muddles some federally regulated acts that would be affected by marital status.
 
2014-03-10 01:21:18 PM  

A Cave Geek: Conservatives are, once again, on the losing side of history.


Isn't that the definition of conservative?
 
2014-03-10 01:21:25 PM  

winterbraid: propasaurus: Ives aid it a dozen times before. When marriage equality is finally legal across the country, it will be Republicans who take credit for it. Same thing with single payer health care. When we finally get universal coverage, the Republicans will claim it was their plan all along.

"don't you remember? we were marching right there with Dr. King! just out of the frame, no, we're in the original wide-shot photos. Democrats are the real racists."


Here they are in frame:

www.disciplesworldmagazine.com
 
2014-03-10 01:21:33 PM  
And yet older Republicans will still blurt out what they really think at the most inopportune moments. They can't help themselves, it's Conservative Tourette's Syndrome. Only after the current generation has passed, like the Israelites after 40 years in the desert, will the younger generation be able to update their message and by then something else will have come along for them to be out of step with.
 
2014-03-10 01:21:42 PM  
Conservatives were never against gay marriage.  After all, not one single state ever banned it!
 
2014-03-10 01:23:11 PM  

max_pooper: winterbraid: propasaurus: Ives aid it a dozen times before. When marriage equality is finally legal across the country, it will be Republicans who take credit for it. Same thing with single payer health care. When we finally get universal coverage, the Republicans will claim it was their plan all along.

"don't you remember? we were marching right there with Dr. King! just out of the frame, no, we're in the original wide-shot photos. Democrats are the real racists."

Here they are in frame:

[www.disciplesworldmagazine.com image 400x267]


Grandpa Max, can you tell us the story about the Southern Strategy never occurring again?
 
2014-03-10 01:24:05 PM  

Saiga410: qorkfiend: MattStafford: Conservatives of the Barry Goldwater strain would have been pro gay marriage.

I think conservatives of the Goldwater strain would take the "states' rights" stance on gay marriage. On the one hand, they certainly wouldn't have had the same religion-based objections, but at the same time, they were very much against the federal government weighing in on civil rights.

I think I am closte to a Goldwater strain and I support state by state recognition of gay marriage and am against the federal govt having any hand in it.  Let the states recognize the marriages as they see fit.  It is going to happen.


If my marriage is recognized in one state but not in another, that impinges on my right to move from one state to another. Apart from that, there's also the small little issue that prior to the same-sex marriage issue rising over the last twenty years, most states routinely recognize certain marriage licenses from other states as valid even if they would never have issued them themselves. For instance, the Ohio Supreme Court ruled back in 1958 that a cousin marriage held outside of the state of Ohio was valid in the state even though Ohio law would not have allowed such a couple to get a marriage license in Ohio.
 
2014-03-10 01:24:21 PM  

Biff_Steel: conservative position ?


Missionary.
 
2014-03-10 01:24:25 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: "If you continue to shake your fist in the face of the living God, you're in trouble," said Charles Starr, a former longtime legislator.

Young Republicans face off against old time religion.


Am I the only one who thinks titles like the Living God sound kind of Lovecraftian?  Adding adjectives to the titles of gods just sounds vaguely creepy.  Besides, if you really believe it's the only god, why bother to clarify it?
 
2014-03-10 01:24:49 PM  
"The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice a place perpetually just out of reach of conservatism."
 
2014-03-10 01:25:27 PM  
And this is why we need to document, document, document what they've been up to so that they won't be able to get away with rewriting history this go around.
 
2014-03-10 01:26:11 PM  

A Cave Geek: Saiga410: qorkfiend: MattStafford: Conservatives of the Barry Goldwater strain would have been pro gay marriage.

I think conservatives of the Goldwater strain would take the "states' rights" stance on gay marriage. On the one hand, they certainly wouldn't have had the same religion-based objections, but at the same time, they were very much against the federal government weighing in on civil rights.

I think I am closte to a Goldwater strain and I support state by state recognition of gay marriage and am against the federal govt having any hand in it.  Let the states recognize the marriages as they see fit.  It is going to happen.

Only problem with that is that people move from state to state.  It is incredibly disrupting to local and state economies when there are different tax implications and rights implications for certain people just because of where they got married.

It's going to happen federally.  Period.  It's not a question of "if"...and it's becoming even less of a question of 'when'...it's going to happen.....soon.


The best you will get is the fed removes part of DOMA which allows states to recognize only marriages that conform to their current laws.  The results will be marriage tourism.
 
2014-03-10 01:27:01 PM  

Saiga410: A Cave Geek: Saiga410: qorkfiend: MattStafford: Conservatives of the Barry Goldwater strain would have been pro gay marriage.

I think conservatives of the Goldwater strain would take the "states' rights" stance on gay marriage. On the one hand, they certainly wouldn't have had the same religion-based objections, but at the same time, they were very much against the federal government weighing in on civil rights.

I think I am closte to a Goldwater strain and I support state by state recognition of gay marriage and am against the federal govt having any hand in it.  Let the states recognize the marriages as they see fit.  It is going to happen.

Only problem with that is that people move from state to state.  It is incredibly disrupting to local and state economies when there are different tax implications and rights implications for certain people just because of where they got married.

It's going to happen federally.  Period.  It's not a question of "if"...and it's becoming even less of a question of 'when'...it's going to happen.....soon.

The best you will get is the fed removes part of DOMA which allows states to recognize only marriages that conform to their current laws.  The results will be marriage tourism.


Why do you believe that is the "best that [we] will get"?
 
2014-03-10 01:28:39 PM  
The state shouldn't have anything to do with marriage.  There should be no tax benefit, etc.  You should be able to fill out a next of kin/power over comatose people/etc with whomever you want, no questions asked.
 
2014-03-10 01:33:37 PM  
OMG!! THE REPUBLICANS HATE THWE GAYS!!!!!

This just in: young factions of the GOP are starting to call for more acceptance of gay people.

OMG!! WHY DIDN'T THE YOUNG PEOPLE DO THIS WHEN THEY WERE EVEN YOUNGER?

Seriously, people, someone tries to change the Party that you spend all day biatching about, and they're trying to change it in the very WAY that you complain about, and your only response is 'Why didn't the young 'uns do it sooner'?
 
2014-03-10 01:34:46 PM  

MattStafford: The state shouldn't have anything to do with marriage.  There should be no tax benefit, etc.  You should be able to fill out a next of kin/power over comatose people/etc with whomever you want, no questions asked.


Sounds sensible.  Except for the part where marriage ends up being essentially slavery for women with no state intervention.
 
2014-03-10 01:35:01 PM  
"I believe this is a wedge issue that drives young people to the Democratic Party, and then they learn the rest of the Democratic agenda," said Jacob Vandever of Corvallis, who is running for a seat in the state House.

BING BING BING
 
2014-03-10 01:37:19 PM  
Of course its the conservstive position why do you think the Democratic Party is starting to support it?

/internationally right of center
/American "Liberals"
 
2014-03-10 01:38:10 PM  

Summercat: Of course its the conservstive position why do you think the Democratic Party is starting to support it?

/internationally right of center
/American "Liberals"


Conservative* goddamn phone keyboard
 
2014-03-10 01:41:54 PM  

Mikey1969: OMG!! THE REPUBLICANS HATE THWE GAYS!!!!!

This just in: young factions of the GOP are starting to call for more acceptance of gay people.

OMG!! WHY DIDN'T THE YOUNG PEOPLE DO THIS WHEN THEY WERE EVEN YOUNGER?

Seriously, people, someone tries to change the Party that you spend all day biatching about, and they're trying to change it in the very WAY that you complain about, and your only response is 'Why didn't the young 'uns do it sooner'? "Too little, too late."


Generally, it's good for Democrats that Republicans are reliably behind the times on social issues. That's why it's hilarious and a little tragic watching younger conservatives struggle to reconcile the bigoted stances the party regularly takes with the general sense of inclusivity and tolerance common to the younger generation. The GOP is in the process of making a lot of ex-conservatives regarding this issue.

See also: race relations, women's rights, etc.
 
2014-03-10 01:42:17 PM  

Famous Thamas: Sounds sensible.  Except for the part where marriage ends up being essentially slavery for women with no state intervention.


In what way?  What protections currently in force protecting women do you think would be removed?  Religious law doesn't trump actual law in this country, as far as my memory of civics goes.
 
2014-03-10 01:43:01 PM  

what_now: "I believe this is a wedge issue that drives young people to the Democratic Party, and then they learn the rest of the Democratic agenda," said Jacob Vandever of Corvallis, who is running for a seat in the state House.

BING BING BING GOOGLE GOOGLE GOOGLE


This makes more sense. I think.
 
2014-03-10 01:46:18 PM  

Saiga410: qorkfiend: MattStafford: Conservatives of the Barry Goldwater strain would have been pro gay marriage.

I think conservatives of the Goldwater strain would take the "states' rights" stance on gay marriage. On the one hand, they certainly wouldn't have had the same religion-based objections, but at the same time, they were very much against the federal government weighing in on civil rights.

I think I am closte to a Goldwater strain and I support state by state recognition of gay marriage and am against the federal govt having any hand in it.  Let the states recognize the marriages as they see fit.  It is going to happen.


Do we let the states acknowledge other types of marriage on a state by state basis?
 
2014-03-10 01:46:18 PM  

MattStafford: The state shouldn't have anything to do with marriage.  There should be no tax benefit, etc.  You should be able to fill out a next of kin/power over comatose people/etc with whomever you want, no questions asked.


Not going to placate the hardcore Conservatives.
 
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