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2014-03-10 08:19:35 AM
I wish I knew what that is .
 
2014-03-10 08:20:21 AM
I was busy making flowers on my lady and had to watch it later. It was worth it, though, just to hear about grampa again.
 
2014-03-10 08:21:18 AM
Damn good show, have yet to watch this weeks episode though. Not surprised it crashed the go servers, they're pretty crappy normally.
 
2014-03-10 08:25:35 AM
Don't you wish that every time one of your projects at work went down in a heap you could use the excuse "I guess it was just too immensely popular"?
 
2014-03-10 08:27:08 AM
HBO go sucks hard. I tried watching it last night.


Anybody who writes it off without giving it a chance on one episode is missing out.
 
2014-03-10 08:29:11 AM
When did Matthew McConnahay (whatever sp) learn to act?
He was the same guy from Dazed and Confused for thirty freaking years and now all of a sudden he's Oscar-worthy.
 
2014-03-10 08:37:56 AM

mike_d85: When did Matthew McConnahay (whatever sp) learn to act?
He was the same guy from Dazed and Confused for thirty freaking years and now all of a sudden he's Oscar-worthy.


I remember him doing some pretty good work in A Time to Kill back in the day.

I also saw him in Lincoln Lawyer and he didn't do too bad.
 
2014-03-10 08:38:09 AM

mike_d85: When did Matthew McConnahay (whatever sp) learn to act?
He was the same guy from Dazed and Confused for thirty freaking years and now all of a sudden he's Oscar-worthy.


One day he decided to stop coasting through movies and give that acting thing a go. Turns out he is pretty good at it.
 
2014-03-10 08:39:26 AM
I watched on HBOGo last night and didn't have any problems, I'm kind of surprised to hear so many did.
 
2014-03-10 08:46:36 AM
Most of those people were probably borrowing from their subscriber friends and family anyway.  So far, the other complaints I've heard about the finale are:

1.  Too many unanswered questions
2.  It didn't end in the Black Lodge

/everyone's a critic
 
2014-03-10 08:47:46 AM
Thank God, I thought I was the only person confused about what the Yellow King was doing in Hank's bathroom.
 
2014-03-10 08:52:18 AM
I have no idea about this series, but apparently the chick from Percy Jackson got nekkid in it.
 
2014-03-10 08:58:24 AM

CarnySaur


Most of those people were probably borrowing from their subscriber friends and family anyway. So far, the other complaints I've heard about the finale are:

1. Too many unanswered questions
2. It didn't end in the Black Lodge


I think people making that complaint probably didn't watch too closely. When Rust was saying that they "didn't get all of them", Marty replied (basically) "No, we didn't, but it's not that kind of world."

There was far too much going on for every single item to be wrapped up in the finale.
 
2014-03-10 08:59:05 AM

iq_in_binary: mike_d85: When did Matthew McConnahay (whatever sp) learn to act?
He was the same guy from Dazed and Confused for thirty freaking years and now all of a sudden he's Oscar-worthy.

I remember him doing some pretty good work in A Time to Kill back in the day.

I also saw him in Lincoln Lawyer and he didn't do too bad.


He was also really good in Amistad.
 
2014-03-10 09:01:00 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: CarnySaur

Most of those people were probably borrowing from their subscriber friends and family anyway. So far, the other complaints I've heard about the finale are:

1. Too many unanswered questions
2. It didn't end in the Black Lodge


I think people making that complaint probably didn't watch too closely. When Rust was saying that they "didn't get all of them", Marty replied (basically) "No, we didn't, but it's not that kind of world."

There was far too much going on for every single item to be wrapped up in the finale.


I thought it was really good, but it would have been nice to know why Marty's daughter acted so weird.  I guess it could be explained by him just talking about the case at some point.
 
2014-03-10 09:01:09 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: I was busy making flowers on my lady and had to watch it later. It was worth it, though, just to hear about grampa again.


me too. pretty flowers.
 
2014-03-10 09:10:01 AM

mike_d85: When did Matthew McConnahay (whatever sp) learn to act?
He was the same guy from Dazed and Confused for thirty freaking years and now all of a sudden he's Oscar-worthy.


*sigh*

[notthisshiatagain.jpg]

/Every TD thread
 
2014-03-10 09:10:44 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: CarnySaur

Most of those people were probably borrowing from their subscriber friends and family anyway. So far, the other complaints I've heard about the finale are:

1. Too many unanswered questions
2. It didn't end in the Black Lodge


I think people making that complaint probably didn't watch too closely. When Rust was saying that they "didn't get all of them", Marty replied (basically) "No, we didn't, but it's not that kind of world."

There was far too much going on for every single item to be wrapped up in the finale.


Well, they got a sadistic inbred retard, and none of the powerful people. Would have been a great season 1 finale if season 2 was going to pick up where season 1 left off. Count me among the disappointed.
 
2014-03-10 09:12:34 AM
I read that last line as

HBO is a subsidiary of Time Warner, which also owes CNN Money.
 
2014-03-10 09:16:36 AM
Thanks for the spoiler, subby. I just stared watching yesterday...
 
2014-03-10 09:18:42 AM
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With all the moaing in here about unanswered questions and things not tied up with a nice satisfying bow, you would think it is your first experience with noir/hardboiled genre....

/Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown.
 
2014-03-10 09:35:58 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: Well, they got a sadistic inbred retard, and none of the powerful people. Would have been a great season 1 finale if season 2 was going to pick up where season 1 left off. Count me among the disappointed.


My problem with it is that Rust has this religious epiphany which turns him into a retard. The big guys all got away, but his last observation in response to Marty's observation that there is a lot of dark is "the light is winning". And all because he had some feeling his dead daughter was waiting for him in the afterlife? Come on.

A religious epiphany as a device for character development is cheap and bad storytelling. What did they accomplish that would convince him of such a dramatically different viewpoint? There are still a bunch of bad guys out there who are going to keep hurting kids with impunity. It made no sense, and I am surprised they ended it so sloppily.
 
2014-03-10 09:45:04 AM

Farking Canuck: mike_d85: When did Matthew McConnahay (whatever sp) learn to act?
He was the same guy from Dazed and Confused for thirty freaking years and now all of a sudden he's Oscar-worthy.

One day he decided to stop coasting through movies and give that acting thing a go. Turns out he is pretty good at it.


I figure he'll be back at the hammy comedy roles in a few years, now that he's proved he can be serious. Critically acclaimed roles don't by cars or vacation houses. "How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days" buys 3 or 4 new cars plus a vacation house.
 
2014-03-10 09:49:59 AM

gilgigamesh: A religious epiphany as a device for character development is cheap and bad storytelling. What did they accomplish that would convince him of such a dramatically different viewpoint? There are still a bunch of bad guys out there who are going to keep hurting kids with impunity. It made no sense, and I am surprised they ended it so sloppily.


Well he is a religious and he was a producer on the show ... so he's not going to let his character stay an atheist. I'm sure he sees this as growth for the character instead of the rejection of everything the character stood for which is what it really is.

Ironically, the mechanism that they use to impart this "wisdom" was quite realistic: body dies or comes very close, revived by doctors, brain starved of oxygen generates fantasy visions of what he would like to see or expects to see. Happens all the time in the real world.
 
2014-03-10 09:59:55 AM

MutantMotherMouse: mike_d85: When did Matthew McConnahay (whatever sp) learn to act?
He was the same guy from Dazed and Confused for thirty freaking years and now all of a sudden he's Oscar-worthy.

*sigh*

[notthisshiatagain.jpg]

/Every TD thread


There were others?  And come on, he's been smiling meat for 30 years.  It's like Dolly Parton dropping a hip-hop album or something.

Seems like he was in (made, wrote, produced, something) Magic Mike and suddenly he's a real actor.  It's surprising.
 
2014-03-10 10:10:28 AM

juvandy: iq_in_binary: mike_d85: When did Matthew McConnahay (whatever sp) learn to act?
He was the same guy from Dazed and Confused for thirty freaking years and now all of a sudden he's Oscar-worthy.

I remember him doing some pretty good work in A Time to Kill back in the day.

I also saw him in Lincoln Lawyer and he didn't do too bad.

He was also really good in Amistad.


And don't forget Contact.  Or Sahara.

Seriously, it's not like the guy's been under a rock for 30 years.  At least now, though, he won't be most remembered for naked bongo drumming.
 
2014-03-10 10:11:17 AM

The Burnaby Kid: Thank God, I thought I was the only person confused about what the Yellow King was doing in Hank's bathroom.


What was Walt's Leaves of Grass doing in Errol's Carcosa in Hank's backyard?
 
2014-03-10 10:13:51 AM

gilgigamesh: My problem with it is that Rust has this religious epiphany which turns him into a retard. The big guys all got away, but his last observation in response to Marty's observation that there is a lot of dark is "the light is winning". And all because he had some feeling his dead daughter was waiting for him in the afterlife? Come on


not sure that it was a religious epiphany. maybe more astrophysical. besides, his character has been spouting quasi-religious and philosophical babble for most of the show. i think it made sense. that and he'd just been nearly stabbed to death by a serial killer.
 
2014-03-10 10:18:38 AM

FlashHarry: his character has been spouting quasi-religious and philosophical babble for most of the show


Philosophical babble yes. But he was quite clearly atheist. At one point he states his opinion that there is nothing after death.

This was definitely a flip-flop for the character. One that I was kinda expecting as the character was so firmly atheist and the actor/producer is so firmly religious. I expected he could not let a hero character stay as an atheist.
 
2014-03-10 10:24:53 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: Well, they got a sadistic inbred retard, and none of the powerful people. Would have been a great season 1 finale if season 2 was going to pick up where season 1 left off. Count me among the disappointed.


He wasn't retarded, though.  Only his wife/sister was.  He seemed quite intelligent.  And while he wasn't one of the powerful people like the senator, he was one of the head people in the cult.  He referred to the others as acolytes.
 
2014-03-10 10:25:06 AM

brigid_fitch: juvandy: iq_in_binary: mike_d85: When did Matthew McConnahay (whatever sp) learn to act?
He was the same guy from Dazed and Confused for thirty freaking years and now all of a sudden he's Oscar-worthy.

I remember him doing some pretty good work in A Time to Kill back in the day.

I also saw him in Lincoln Lawyer and he didn't do too bad.

He was also really good in Amistad.

And don't forget Contact.  Or Sahara.

Seriously, it's not like the guy's been under a rock for 30 years.  At least now, though, he won't be most remembered for naked bongo drumming.


You guys have listed like 5 movies I never saw.  The internet told me Contact sucked donkey balls and admittedly I skipped Lincoln Lawyer because I saw MM in the trailer.

I thought he was mediocre in A Time to Kill.  For one thing I had to be reminded that it was him, for another it was kind of overshadowed by Samuel L. Jackson's intensity.
 
2014-03-10 10:25:39 AM

Farking Canuck: This was definitely a flip-flop for the character.


well, having undergone a trauma like that might cause a flip-flop like that. as the saying goes, it's not uncommon to visit a slaughterhouse and come out a vegetarian.
 
2014-03-10 10:28:27 AM

Farking Canuck: gilgigamesh: A religious epiphany as a device for character development is cheap and bad storytelling. What did they accomplish that would convince him of such a dramatically different viewpoint? There are still a bunch of bad guys out there who are going to keep hurting kids with impunity. It made no sense, and I am surprised they ended it so sloppily.

Well he is a religious and he was a producer on the show ... so he's not going to let his character stay an atheist. I'm sure he sees this as growth for the character instead of the rejection of everything the character stood for which is what it really is.

Ironically, the mechanism that they use to impart this "wisdom" was quite realistic: body dies or comes very close, revived by doctors, brain starved of oxygen generates fantasy visions of what he would like to see or expects to see. Happens all the time in the real world.


I didn't have so much of a problem with the epiphany as I did the cheap resolution that all was better when it wasn't. They got the guy who did it, but there was nothing to suggest the killings would stop, or that "light was winning" as he put it.

The ultimate job of the writers is to convince the audience to see things from the perspective of the protagonist. It failed.
 
2014-03-10 10:36:02 AM

FlashHarry: Farking Canuck: This was definitely a flip-flop for the character.

well, having undergone a trauma like that might cause a flip-flop like that. as the saying goes, it's not uncommon to visit a slaughterhouse and come out a vegetarian.


No doubt. It happens all the time in real life. We don't actually see/hear/taste/smell/feel anything ... we experience our brain's interpretation of reality. So if our brain is dying and and fires off some fantasy experience it will seem 100% real to the person experiencing it.

That experience has convinced many a person that it was real. I don't have an issue with the suggestion that this can or does happen. I have an issue with the fact that when I saw a very publicly religious actor/producer playing a very staunch atheist hero character I said to myself "there is no way they are going to let the atheist be a hero".

I figured either he was going to turn out the bad guy, get killed (possibly due to his evil atheist ways) or they were going to convert him. Sure enough, I was right.

I still enjoyed the series and like McConaughey as an actor. I just found this to be predictable and a bit sad.
 
2014-03-10 10:36:13 AM

NeoCortex42: He wasn't retarded, though. Only his wife/sister was. He seemed quite intelligent. And while he wasn't one of the powerful people like the senator, he was one of the head people in the cult. He referred to the others as acolytes.


Oh that's interesting. I didn't catch that.

I thought he was an underling for the cult, not the head of it. That will change my opinion a bit, but that point could have been made clearer. I will have to watch it again.
 
2014-03-10 10:41:01 AM

gilgigamesh: They got the guy who did it, but there was nothing to suggest the killings would stop, or that "light was winning" as he put it.


a couple of things:

• if they'd taken down sen. tuttle, that would not have been believable. in a noir piece like this, there is very rarely a neat resolution. in fact, it reminded me of british crime dramas like "prime suspect" and "cracker" in that manner.
• though the real bad guys got away, i think rust's last line was more about the general idea that, despite the presence of true evil, in the grand, cosmic scale of things, the "light is winning." I'm not sure i believe that... but it made sense for his worldview.
 
2014-03-10 10:45:41 AM

FlashHarry: if they'd taken down sen. tuttle, that would not have been believable. in a noir piece like this,


Absolutely. The only way I could have possibly ended up hating this show would have been if they'd wrapped it up all nice and neat with all the bad guys fallen and all the endings perfectly tied off. As Marty said, they got their guy. And he was a big guy. The other guys are for others to get. That's the way it works in the real world, too.

I also did not see Rust's "enlightenment" at the end as being in any way, shape, or form a religious conversion. Although the fact that it seems to have produced some degree of atheist victimization in here is an amusing side-effect.
 
2014-03-10 10:50:38 AM

Pocket Ninja: I also did not see Rust's "enlightenment" at the end as being in any way, shape, or form a religious conversion. Although the fact that it seems to have produced some degree of atheist victimization in here is an amusing side-effect.


He went from clearly stating that there is nothing after death to stating that he is sure that his daughter and father are waiting for him.

Not sure how that can not be seen as a religious conversion.

/I did find it curious that his mother wasn't waiting.
 
2014-03-10 11:02:08 AM
Guys, Rust was never an atheist, he believed that the universe works in mysterious ways. At worst, he's an agnostic. He believes in something, he doesn't know what or in what regard, but there's something beyond what mere mortals can control.

Atheism would say that there's nothing, ever, shiat happens and you continue on
 
2014-03-10 11:07:59 AM

gilgigamesh: NeoCortex42: He wasn't retarded, though. Only his wife/sister was. He seemed quite intelligent. And while he wasn't one of the powerful people like the senator, he was one of the head people in the cult. He referred to the others as acolytes.

Oh that's interesting. I didn't catch that.

I thought he was an underling for the cult, not the head of it. That will change my opinion a bit, but that point could have been made clearer. I will have to watch it again.


A LOT of the episode could have been made clearer, mainly by increasing the volume of the dialog.  I swear, I had to strain to make out half of what was being said during the episode.  It seemed worse than any of the previous ones to me.
 
2014-03-10 11:10:07 AM

somedude210: Guys, Rust was never an atheist, he believed that the universe works in mysterious ways. At worst, he's an agnostic. He believes in something, he doesn't know what or in what regard, but there's something beyond what mere mortals can control.

Atheism would say that there's nothing, ever, shiat happens and you continue on


I use the definition of atheist as someone who is without a god ... I find the modern use of the word agnostic to be a perversion of the original word. So we are not necessarily disagreeing here.

There is never a clear or formal definition of his position. What was clear was that during the series he said "there is nothing after death" and at the end he is sure that his daughter and father are waiting for him.

Let's not restart the endless semantic argument over the definitions of words. It is what people mean that matters not what words we choose to express it.
 
2014-03-10 11:25:27 AM
One user tweeted, "My HBO Go is just a spinning wheel of non-loading hopelessness and despair." Another wrote, "SOS: @HBO Go is not working. This is anything but okay. Someone give me answers."

It's comments like this that makes me wish for the sun to send a devastating flare our way to destroy our entire electrical infrastructure and make people realize how goddamn easy their lives are.
 
2014-03-10 11:26:12 AM

FlashHarry: • if they'd taken down sen. tuttle, that would not have been believable. in a noir piece like this, there is very rarely a neat resolution. in fact, it reminded me of british crime dramas like "prime suspect" and "cracker" in that manner.


I agree with that. I don't see a problem with the power structure getting away, especially in light of the fact (which I didn't realize) that he referred to the others as "acolytes". That could have been made much clearer, but fair enough.

FlashHarry: • though the real bad guys got away, i think rust's last line was more about the general idea that, despite the presence of true evil, in the grand, cosmic scale of things, the "light is winning." I'm not sure i believe that... but it made sense for his worldview.


This I disagree with. Or at least I see it as a cheap cop out. It was a complete reversal of his worldview; one I don't think was adequately explained or supported by the arc of the story.
 
2014-03-10 11:35:32 AM

NeoCortex42: A LOT of the episode could have been made clearer, mainly by increasing the volume of the dialog. I swear, I had to strain to make out half of what was being said during the episode. It seemed worse than any of the previous ones to me.


Agreed. I often resort to watching with subtitles on just so I don't miss anything. As annoying as that is.
 
2014-03-10 11:43:13 AM

gilgigamesh: FlashHarry: • if they'd taken down sen. tuttle, that would not have been believable. in a noir piece like this, there is very rarely a neat resolution. in fact, it reminded me of british crime dramas like "prime suspect" and "cracker" in that manner.

I agree with that. I don't see a problem with the power structure getting away, especially in light of the fact (which I didn't realize) that he referred to the others as "acolytes". That could have been made much clearer, but fair enough.

FlashHarry: • though the real bad guys got away, i think rust's last line was more about the general idea that, despite the presence of true evil, in the grand, cosmic scale of things, the "light is winning." I'm not sure i believe that... but it made sense for his worldview.

This I disagree with. Or at least I see it as a cheap cop out. It was a complete reversal of his worldview; one I don't think was adequately explained or supported by the arc of the story.


I actually don't think so. I think Rust was so engrossed with the mythology that the "epiphany" was more of a religious experience regarding the cult rather than an affirmation of a Christian god. If you remember the depositions, he was spacing out a lot when expounding upon the various aspects of the cult as he had come to understand them. I think the hallucination in Carcosa showed us a man letting the culmination of events affect him.

And do keep in mind that the cult didn't espouse a god, but an existence mythology, I didn't see that there was a pantheon or deity.
 
2014-03-10 11:47:54 AM
What is show about?
 
2014-03-10 12:22:00 PM

BalugaJoe: What is show about?


Nothing interesting, judging by the discussion here so far.

/ I keed! I keed!
// I no keed.
 
2014-03-10 12:24:38 PM
Maybe I missed this but who was the person that was tied up in the bed when scar face walked out of that house to his half sister to make some flowers?
 
2014-03-10 12:25:37 PM

Cletus from Canuckistan: Thanks for the spoiler, subby. I just stared watching yesterday...


Thanks for joining a thread discussing a show's finale and expecting folks not to discuss things that might spoil information for you. Lrn 3 stay out of these kinds of threads, and pretty much away from the rest of the internets while just getting into something.
 
2014-03-10 12:27:59 PM

brigid_fitch: juvandy: iq_in_binary: mike_d85: When did Matthew McConnahay (whatever sp) learn to act?
He was the same guy from Dazed and Confused for thirty freaking years and now all of a sudden he's Oscar-worthy.

I remember him doing some pretty good work in A Time to Kill back in the day.

I also saw him in Lincoln Lawyer and he didn't do too bad.

He was also really good in Amistad.

And don't forget Contact.  Or Sahara.

Seriously, it's not like the guy's been under a rock for 30 years.  At least now, though, <b>he won't be most remembered for naked bongo drumming.

</b>

There are some people who would beg to differ. I am not one of them. But they exist.
 
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