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(Talking Points Memo)   Peter King doesn't like Rand Paul: "We don't need isolationists" because getting involved everywhere has worked out so well for us   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 24
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2014-03-10 08:17:43 AM
It has worked pretty well for us, yes. Was that sarcasm?
 
2014-03-10 08:22:57 AM

you are a puppet: It has worked pretty well for us, yes. Was that sarcasm?


It's not our fault that God spread our oil all over creation.
 
2014-03-10 08:23:20 AM

you are a puppet: It has worked pretty well for us, yes. Was that sarcasm?


yeah, peter king should just stick to talking about the NFL!
 
2014-03-10 08:23:35 AM
This is the same Peter King that supported the IRA terrorists, yes?
 
2014-03-10 08:29:02 AM
Depends on who you mean by "us."
 
2014-03-10 08:30:34 AM
We likely don't need isolationists, much like we don't need morons presenting false evidence to go to war with  Iraq. There are degrees between, where when we feel a true moral imperative based on factual evidence where I think I'd be okay with military intervention.

But the most important point to me is that the Republican Party is nowhere near finished cannibalizing itself.
 
2014-03-10 08:30:38 AM
Who ?
 
2014-03-10 08:30:52 AM
For someone who lives in pants-shiatting fear of brown people in foreign countries, Peter King has an odd opinion on isolationism.
 
2014-03-10 08:31:17 AM
Just picking out battles better would be a nice middle path here.
 
2014-03-10 08:32:56 AM
Hey subby, ever hear of a false dilemma?
 
2014-03-10 08:33:14 AM
North Korea is isolationist.
Feudal Japan was isolationist.
Rand Paul is not an isolationist.
Peter King is an idiot.
 
2014-03-10 08:40:34 AM
You know who else really liked it when the US butt out of international affairs? At least until his best imperial friends forever poked a bear....

/this post reads a lot more seriously than what I typed in my head, sorry folks
 
2014-03-10 08:57:30 AM
I can understand the polarity of personalities. Peter King remembers when religious fundamentalists who wanted the American government to fall were considered terrorists. In Rand Paul's mindset, that's what passes for a "libertarian."
 
2014-03-10 09:15:32 AM
It is healthy to have someone with isolationist mind set as part of the debate. It helps temprement the hawks and expands the nature of the conversation. Rational and reasonable people can have a health discussion that may even result in pragmatic solutions.

The problem is that this is Rand Paul so you're not going to get anything useful from him
 
2014-03-10 09:23:36 AM
not getting involved in military adventurism is one of the good things that libertarians propose..the other is legal recreational drugs.
 
2014-03-10 09:28:35 AM

Headso: not getting involved in military adventurism is one of the good things that libertarians propose..the other is legal recreational drugs.


And they mean it about as much as the other Republicans do every time they talk about banning abortion. Nope, they'll never do anything to change anything, but so long as the rubes keeping thinking that maybe THIS year will be the year...
 
2014-03-10 09:44:49 AM
the best you can expect from a new york politician
 
2014-03-10 09:51:07 AM

Gaddiel: It is healthy to have someone with isolationist mind set as part of the debate. It helps temprement the hawks and expands the nature of the conversation. Rational and reasonable people can have a health discussion that may even result in pragmatic solutions.
The problem is that this is Rand Paul so you're not going to get anything useful from him


I was thinking along those lines. While I run away screaming from most of his other policy ideas, I'm willing to take a step in the direction of this one.

The key difference, of course, is that I would reallocate most of our overseas spending into domestic infrastructure and education programs instead of simply deleting them from the budget.
 
2014-03-10 11:07:23 AM

LordJiro: This is the same Peter King that supported the IRA terrorists, yes?


Well, if assisting in raising money for and publicly encouraging  counts as "supporting", than yes, he supported the IRA.
 
2014-03-10 11:08:20 AM

TimonC346: But the most important point to me is that the Republican Party is nowhere near finished cannibalizing itself.


These disagreements actually strengthen the GOP electorally.

A conservative's greatest strength is his ability to selectively choose what parts of reality he wants to recognize. Having voices on two sides of an argument allows voters to say, "I'm voting Republican because they'll put an end to Obama's (drone-infested, all-seeing police state / limp-wristed, open-borders, terrorist fist-jabbing).
 
2014-03-10 11:10:35 AM

EyeballKid: Headso: not getting involved in military adventurism is one of the good things that libertarians propose..the other is legal recreational drugs.

And they mean it about as much as the other Republicans do every time they talk about banning abortion. Nope, they'll never do anything to change anything, but so long as the rubes keeping thinking that maybe THIS year will be the year...


I think that libertarians do mean it. But as been proven (repeatedly) high-profile Republican "libertarians" believe that libertarian ideals only apply to the federal government - and then only in very specific circumstances.
 
2014-03-10 12:40:59 PM
Subby needs to study International Affairs.

We can't afford to be isolationists anymore.
 
2014-03-10 03:37:18 PM

wedun: Subby needs to study International Affairs.

We can't afford to be isolationists anymore.

Trade wise

, of course. But you don't have to be droning 8(+) countries and have military bases around the world to successfully trade.. You know, unless of course you want to take the oil and fund your military industrial complex. EABOD.
 
2014-03-10 04:22:17 PM

Moopy Mac: EyeballKid: Headso: not getting involved in military adventurism is one of the good things that libertarians propose..the other is legal recreational drugs.

And they mean it about as much as the other Republicans do every time they talk about banning abortion. Nope, they'll never do anything to change anything, but so long as the rubes keeping thinking that maybe THIS year will be the year...

I think that libertarians do mean it. But as been proven (repeatedly) high-profile Republican "libertarians" believe that libertarian ideals only apply to the federal government - and then only in very specific circumstances.


In other words these are ideas they think are cool but they're too lazy to actually do something to advance their own agenda.
 
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